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Dallas 93 - Clippers 84 - At Least it Wasn't the Defense this Time

OK, guys, this will be a quick recap from Staples before I hit the road and head back to the LBC.  Maybe I'll flesh it out some more later.  Maybe not.

After being incapable of getting any stops in their first four games, the Clippers played great fourth quarter defense in this game, holding the Mavericks to just 13 points, and outscoring them 11-2 five minutes of the quarter.  Unfortunately, the offense went completely AWOL after that, and LA only scored 2 more points the rest of the way, with Dallas returning the 11-2 favor to close the game.

So is there a silver lining in the fact that they actually managed to play defense?  Or are we more focused on the disasterous offense down the stretch?

The reality is we knew that 0-4 was a distinct possibility.  It's not good.  It's near disastrous.  But it was always looming.  These were four good teams, and the Clippers won 19 games last season.  In a sense, the team is SUPPOSED to be 0-4.  And they've been competitive, with the exception of the fourth quarter versus Utah.  So there are some positive things happening.  As everyone knows, 0 and 4 is 0 and 4, but in fact four blowouts would be a a much worse story. 

Star-divide

I wrote a little about the psychology of trailing in the game thread.  The Clippers used that 11-2 run to forge a tie with 7 minutes left in the game.  Over the next four minutes of the game, they had three consecutive possessions tied, and two more down one, with a chance to take the lead.  They came up empty each time.  If they get over the hump, does the game turn their way?  We'll never know.

Obviously, MDsr chose to stick with Telfair, Butler and Smith rather than going back to starters Baron, Thornton and Camby down the stretch.  It's hard to argue, given that that was the group that got him back in the game.  Certainly Butler and Smith seemed like no-brainers.  Thornton had a nightmare of a game, and Smith was doing a better job on Nowitzki than Camby had done.  As for Davis - well, you might think that you would want to get the highest paid player on the team back on the floor for the close. 

Dallas has, for years, been among the league leaders in fewest turnovers.  I'm not sure why they've been so consistent, given that Dirk is pretty much the only player who's been there the whole time.  But turnovers were a HUGE stat in this game.  The Clippers turned the ball over 21 times, the Mavs just 12.  Go figure - 9 more turnovers, and Dallas got nine more shots, and they won by nine.  And it's a major factor - as I mentioned in the thread (and MDsr said in his post game presser), the Mavs were having trouble scoring in the half court (they shot only 41% for the game), but they got multiple easy baskets off the Clippers miscues.  In fact, the Mavericks scored 24 points off of Clipper turnovers - and they only scored 93 total!  That's the ballgame.

On the bright side, something must be said about Chris Kaman, who tied a career high with 27 points tonight, and was phenomenal.  He was scoring facing the basket, with his back to the basket, and even finished an open court move around Jason Kidd.  He also had 11 rebounds and 2 blocked shots.  It's a shame that the Clippers have squandered four games in which Kaman has averaged 22 points and 10 rebounds. 

When you looked at the schedule before the season started, it was hard not to notice the four games in five nights against teams with 45 wins.  BUT, it was also hard not to notice the next seven, against teams way below .500 last season, five of those games at home.  Before we panic, let's see what happens over these next few games. 

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at least were not getting blown out? we can still be 78-4, heh….

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Eagles!

by Goosebumpz on Oct 31, 2009 11:24 PM PDT reply actions  

???????

Who can solve the mystery of this team? Watching the 4rth quarter, one could quickly sense the premonition that the team will self destruct. You could just feel that it would likely to happen. I am not superstitious but it looks like the “curse of the Clippers” is real!

by nelsan on Oct 31, 2009 11:26 PM PDT reply actions  

Yes!

That’s the only thing we haven’t changed. Dunleavy should step down as head coach, and if the team does well this season he could still save face by winning GM of the year.

"Excellence...is not an act, but a habit" Aristotle

by Cliptomaniac on Nov 1, 2009 10:49 AM PST up reply actions  

I don't think you can win when the point guard and head coach aren't best buddies.

I’m pretty sure that’s the case here.

Let’s get rid of Dunleavy and let John Lucas run the helm.

I've got nothing.

by bc56274 on Oct 31, 2009 11:31 PM PDT reply actions  

Who borught the curse?

Let’s leave the “curse” at Staples and move to Anaheim!!!

by nelsan on Oct 31, 2009 11:51 PM PDT reply actions  

The Clippers will be at the worst a .500 team on Jan 1st

I have looked the Clippers schedule for the months of Nov and Dec and their is no doubt in my mind that the Clippers will be no worse than a 16-16 record entering the “New Year”.

I believe we will get our 20th win of the season no later than Jan 15th! Remembr we had 19 wins all of last season.

by NBAFAN8 on Nov 1, 2009 12:16 AM PDT reply actions  

What's the best way to protest and get MDSR out?

The season’s is already depressing. Does anybody believe we have real chance at the playoff? Look at Dallas and Hou and even Phoenix. Is their talent really that much better?
I don’t think so but they despite missing key players, they keep winning.
 We need to switch coaches now before the team gives up.

by ragman on Nov 1, 2009 12:22 AM PDT reply actions  

First time poster, long- time lurker. Finally caved and registered.

At the game tonight, and man, some of it was hard to watch. But I’m glad to see people keeping hope alive around these parts. I still think we’re going to be ok.

I definitely questioned MDsrs decision to stick with Bassy and co. for all of the fourth, but in retrospect, I think it was an ok gamble. I understand why he did it- that unit put the team back in the game- BUT..we aren’t paying BD the big bucks to sit and watch as the clock winds down.

Kaman had a monster night- and he is looking like (dare I say) Kaman 3.0. Only a few signs of Mr. Flippy ( i.e. unaware of the shot clock being at 3) and I’m impressed.

But if we are grooming Eric Gordon to be our go-to guy, we need to get him more touches, and shots. 11 doesn’t cut it for me. This guy can score, and is a briliant shooter- but we have to help him out and create more opportunities for him. That is what will give him the confidence to become an elite player

And also- could Al Thornton be any more of a black hole on offense? I’m starting to tire of him stopping the damn ball and looking lost in space and time.

But I’m keeping hope alive. Let’s get a W on Monday.

PS: WTF moments of the night:

Craig Smith’s Alley Oop “pass”

Sebastian Telfair’s 4 point giveaway.

by Clipper Brandon on Nov 1, 2009 12:56 AM PDT reply actions  

Welcome to the club

Of losers. Good observations, I had a tough time on deciding whether or not baron should be in game since the second unit was effective. They were playing hard and inspired defense.
But I definitely agree with you that al is the ultimate black hole on offense and Marion was getting to any spots he desired.

by Qlippers on Nov 1, 2009 1:03 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

A few thoughts

Really nice to see Kaman playing at this level again. It reminds me of two years ago or even better. MDSr should be aware of not playing him +40 minutes a game. The coach should be the first to know that he´s going to wear him out, like he did on that season. No Clipper fan wants to see Kaman on the injured list when Griffin gets back. And MDSr using health as an excuse for the losses, again.
On the 0-4 start, I´m gonna exercise some more patience and pretend that the our season starts on Monday. But I have to ask where has the fun of the preseason gone? Yesterday the players looked too under pressure, not comfortable with what they were doing out there.

by edu_argentina on Nov 1, 2009 6:24 AM PDT reply actions  

I don't get how

the fact that we lost four games in a row to “good” teams somehow makes the losses “better” or “acceptable” in some way. Steve mentions turnovers as though that’s something that doesn’t show that the opponent is better. Not the case. Turnovers like those here are generally a reflection of the larger point of opposing team imposing its will. This team in terms of talent is good enough to win these games, particularly the games at home. A good coach should be able to meld the team and win these games.

by Jax on Nov 1, 2009 7:13 AM PDT reply actions  

Maybe we are just not that good

To beat these “good” teams. I’m wondering which are the teams we should be able to beat

by Qlippers on Nov 1, 2009 8:52 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

Hmmm

I’m not sure how any reference to turnovers above implies that the opponent isn’t better. Did I call the turnovers bad luck or something? Not sure where you’re going with that.

Also, it’s simply silly to imply that 0-4 against 4 good teams is the same as 0-4 against 4 bad teams. The opposition matters, the schedule evens out over time.

In fact, a quick word of warning – given the incredibly weak stretch of November opponents, if the team doesn’t win a significant portion of these games, they’re in big trouble.

In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd

by Steve Perrin on Nov 1, 2009 10:15 AM PST up reply actions  

I guess I just don't get it

If the Clippers truly aspire to be a good team, than it’s simply silly (to use your vernacular) to suggest that there’s any real difference between losing four in a row to good teams (two at home) and losing to bad teams. To me, there’s no such thing as a silver lining wheere losses are concerned, whether they come against good teams or bad. Are you seriously ok with losing 4 in a row to good teams? Does it matter to you that two of the losses were at home (in addition to the Laker game)?

Re turnovers – what I meant was that sometimes turnovers are mentioned as a way of saying that the team lost the game instead of the other team winning the game. I was only pointing out that turnovers are usually a function of the other team playing good defense. They are of particular concern where they happen towards the end of the game and are a symption of a team that doesn’t seem to be sufficiently prepared or organized. They don’t happen in a vacumn.

KA too mentioned today that there are some serious concerns afoot.

by Jax on Nov 1, 2009 5:01 PM PST up reply actions  

BTW

The Suns, Jazz and Mavs all had significant pieces missing, just like we have. So there’s really no issue there – they aren’t exactly at full strength either and it cannot reasonably be said that they are “good” in the sense of being the same teams they were last year.

by Jax on Nov 1, 2009 5:04 PM PST up reply actions  

Before we panic

Well said. Lots of frustration, but not time to panic.

by citizen zhiv on Nov 1, 2009 9:01 AM PST reply actions  

Three thoughts

UNO – Griffin won’t be our savior, but he WILL mean a few extra baskets each game, which in many cases should make the difference. I’d say we would have won a couple of these last games, but I’m not sure if the team knows how to win yet.

DOS – This team needs to learn how to win.

TRES – We do not want to fire the coach yet. It would send the wrong message. The Clips need to prove something to themselves, just as they are.

by SilverClip on Nov 1, 2009 9:16 AM PST reply actions  

Yes these losses suck...

But DAL started out 0-4 and that teams was litterally freaking out. With Blake in there, we at least win the PHX game and probably last night. 4 games in 5 nights against battle-hardened playoff teams, including the defending champs, is a tall order. At least Kaman is playing the best ball of his career. Against a soft upcoming schedule, we could definitely hover around .500 mayble long enough for Blake to get back. Honestly, still way too early to start panicing.

But it would be nice for Dunleavy to recuse himself and let Lucas take over, at least Baron would be happier…

by Gordon for President on Nov 1, 2009 10:30 AM PST reply actions  

People RELAX 78 games remain.

I think everyone should relax, remember a couple of years ago, the Clippers started off 4-0, and Charles Barkley and crew had the Clippers as one of the teams in the west that would make the playoff, and they won 23 games, so not until the game 10 mark or so, should we discussing its over. This team has shown in their 4 games that they are capable of competing with any team in the league,so give them a few more games just to tweek it just right, now is not the time to start doubting this team, the season has just begun, there are 78 games left in the season,so relax and let this thing work itself out which it will for the better, the Clippers looked better against the Mavericks than the world Champs, and the Clippers have been playing without much rest in between, as for the Champs, they have been off every other day,and have not had to travel, so there are positives and lets embrace that at this time,we will be okay Go Clippers.

by heights on Nov 1, 2009 11:06 AM PST reply actions  

So my hope of a 82-0 season is over

I’ll settle for a 77-5 season

by Qlippers on Nov 1, 2009 12:26 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

MUST WIN on Monday

If they cannot beat the Timberwolves, I think we can kiss this season good bye. I have a feeling that MDSR will continue his substitution pattern because it “worked” so well the first four games since they were competitive good, but not good enough to win. He’ll stick to his AT out at 5-6 min mark for Butler in the 1st quarter and then Telfair, Jordan, and Smith at the end of the 1st or start of 2nd. If the Clippers somehow win this game, (and they should, T-Wolves have absolutely chance on paper), MDSR will confirm his suspicions that in fact, his substitution and coaching is good and will continue on.

by whyamiaclippersfan on Nov 1, 2009 11:33 AM PST reply actions  

That's True

I’d gladly take this 0-4 team against the team that started 4-0.

The Suns game though was a game we had to have and couldn’t get it done. Will have to see if we can rebound. Without Kaman’s play, we’d be nothing right now, good thing we didn’t trade him.

by ghost_ride on Nov 1, 2009 11:36 AM PST up reply actions  

Dig deeper on this

When watching last nights game, I realized something and took off my “Homer Hat”; WE SUCK!! Plain and simple. No optimism about this present state. 0-4 is 0-4. I can’t even say we had good losses, perhaps just the match against the Lakers; I actually felt “good” in that one.

Should Dunleavy step down? I don’t know. What I do know, however, is that these 3 things about his team has been beyond nerve racking, and I can not honestly blame the players on the court this time, not even the Baron. Dunleavy is the sole man on target. With this oncoming criticism comes a package void of “bashing”.

-Why is Dunleavy soley subbing as reactive measure. Do we not have better chips then most of the teams we have played?? Make them adjust to us. We have a center that can score from anywhere within 15 feet. A point guard that is highly skilled and stronger than every point guard in the league; who, by the way, has been playing very overall by not shooting everything and is instead making his mark by getting the rest of the team going, like the afore mentioned Kaman and the dynamic Eric Gordon; who is my last point on my first example.

-Why was dunleavy keeping Gordon on Terry unaffectively instead of putting Butler on him.

-Why is Thorton starting over Butler who clearly fits better there?

by Takebb909 on Nov 1, 2009 1:39 PM PST via mobile reply actions  

baron davis, sebastian telfair

it seems like our 2 point guards have marbles for brains. baroon can’t seem to understand that his “range” is limited to 5 feet from the basket and the next time he “throws up” a three, it will be too soon. telfair made a bone head play at the end of half. both of these guys gave up leads when just some solid point play would have kept the lead and kept momentum. both have talent and not one ounce of good decision making.

by dellago on Nov 1, 2009 4:04 PM PST reply actions  

Kaman had a great offensive game

but all I’ll remember is the two pathetic turnovers on brain dead passes at the hump.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Nov 1, 2009 6:42 PM PST reply actions  

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