Clippers vs. Minnesota - Game Preview
by Steve Perrin on Nov 1, 2009 10:48 PM PST
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2009/2010 NBA Regular Season
vs.
0-4 1-2
Staples Center
November 2, 2009, 7:30 PM
Prime Ticket, 980 AM
Probable starters:
Baron Davis
PG
Jonny Flynn
Eric Gordon
SG
Corey Brewer
Al Thornton
SF
Ryan Gomes
Marcus Camby
PF
Oleksiy Pecherov
Chris Kaman
C
Al Jefferson
The Back Story:
First meeting of the season. Minnesota won the season series last year 2-1.
The Big Picture:
The Clippers are coming off the worst October in NBA history. Actually, I just made that up, but it's got to be true, right? I mean, it's pretty rare that the season start as early as October 27. And how many teams open with four games in five nights? You can't play five games in five nights - you can't even play five games in six nights. So it's a good bet that four losses in October is an all time record. So we've got that going for us. But November should hopefully be very different - at least it has the potential to be. Starting tonight, the Clippers play seven straight six of seven against teams that missed the playoffs last season - and most of them missed badly. Five of those are at home. Of the 14 games on the November slate, 11 10 are against non-playoff teams from last year, and three of the 'good' opponents are struggling (New Orleans twice and Detroit). So the good news is that the Clippers could conceivably win a bunch of games this month - if in fact the team is any good at all. The bad news is that if they DON'T win a bunch of games this month, it likely spells disaster for the season. The NBA schedule balances out - and the Clippers will pay for their soft November schedule the four subsequent months. Suffice it to say, after starting 0-4 against four good teams, playing at home against a T-Wolves team was a toss up with the Kings for 'worst team in the Western Conference' going into the season, this is a must-win for LA.
The Antagonist:
As bad as the Timberwolves look on paper, they have more wins this season than the Clippers, having eked out a two point victory over New Jersey in their opener. But back to that paper - yuck. With their second best player currently hurt (Kevin Love broke his hand in pre-season), the roster consists of Al Jefferson coming off ACL surgery, rookie scoring point Jonny Flynn, and a bunch of guys that seem questionable at best on an NBA roster. Corey Brewer was a lottery pick in 2007 - but had a terrible rookie season, and then blew out his ACL early in his second season. (Come to think of it, the Wolves are the new Clippers what with all the ACL injuries.) Ramon Sessions we know plenty about, and he seems like a real player. Wayne Ellington was the 28th pick in this year's draft. Everyone else on the roster - I'm not exaggerating - either arrived as trade filler, or was a free agent this summer that no one else wanted. Now, that doesn't mean they can't play. Ryan Gomes was trade filler in the Garnett to Boston deal, but he's OK (if a bit of a tweener). And Oleksiy Pecherov looks like Stewie, so that's got to count for something. This team, especially with Love out of the lineup, just doesn't seem to have the horses. The Clippers really need to beat them. Badly. They badly need to beat them badly.
The Subplots:
- Kurt Rambis returns to Staples Center. Former Laker and former Laker assistant Kurt Rambis took over as the Wolves head coach this summer. He held out for a four year deal - knowing full well that it would take a miracle to get the team to respectability any sooner. It's nice that Rambis got his chance at a head coaching gig (he was an interim head coach for the Lakers over a decade ago, before Phil Jackson first arrived in LA), but this is a tough assignment.
- Telfair and Smith. New Clippers Sebastian Telfair and Craig Smith will be facing their old team tonight, though they won't recognize many of them. The ClipperWolves were instrumental in the Clippers' fourth quarter comeback against Dallas - and then instrumental in the subsequent collapse as well. They figure to get some minutes tonight as well - Bassy's quickness may be need against the lightning fast Flynn while Smith's muscle may be necessary against some of the burly Minnesota bigs.
- Turnover. The Clippers know a little something about roster turnover. From April 2008 to January 2009, only Chris Kaman and Al Thornton remained on the team. The Wolves are in a similar situation this season. Jefferson, Love, Gomes, Brewer and Brian Cardinal are the only holdovers from last season - but of course Jefferson and Brewer are returning from season ending injuries.
- Back to back for the Wolves. The Timberwolves lost to the Suns in Phoenix last night, so they're playing the second game of road back to backs tonight. Yet another reason the Clippers need to win.
- Kaman 3.0. Chris Kaman is averaging 22 points and 10 rebounds so far this season, and shooting 58.5%. He is coming off a career high 27 point effort against Dallas. With Jefferson giving away quite a bit of length, and Pecherov and Hollins giving away bulk, the Wolves don't seem to have anyone who can stop this new and improved Kaman. I expect the Clippers to go to him early and often in this game.
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Movie Quote:
Narrator - Babe (1995). I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that Babe is the best talking pig movie ever. It is, in my opinion, the Citizen Kane of talking pig movies. Better than Charlotte's Web. Better than that other talking pig movie too. Seriously, I love Babe. A great, great movie.The sheep decided to speak very slowly, for it was a cold fact of nature that wolves were ignorant, and there was nothing that could convince them otherwise.
- Get the Wolves perspective at Canis Hoopus.
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No way
Wilbur is was the best.
FA in 2010.
by ClipperChuck on Nov 1, 2009 11:03 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Some problems
I’m guessing you thinking of Arnold, the ‘talking’ pig from Green Acres. Wilbur was the name of the human in Mr. Ed, the TV show about the talking horse.
So, assuming I’ve figured out what you’re talking about, I agree that Arnold was terrific. But technically, he wasn’t a talking pig – he was a grunting pig, and it just so happened that everyone except for Mr. Douglas could understand him. Moreover, not a movie – a TV show.
In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd
by Steve Perrin on Nov 1, 2009 11:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Wilbur is from Charlotte's web
he’s the name of the pig. He wasn’t able to talk (to humans anyways) but hey he was able to survive despite being the runt of the litter (with a lot of help from Charlotte)
FA in 2010.
by ClipperChuck on Nov 1, 2009 11:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
My bad...
What a pig.
In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd
by Steve Perrin on Nov 2, 2009 11:33 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'll be at the game tomorrow
I’ll be praying for a victory. As a STH its going to be painful to sit through these games if we start losing to teams like the Wolves.
Anyone else get the feeling that we’re the bad guys in cheesy action movies, where we leave the hero/heroine alone in a dire predicament and assume everything went according to plan but of course they escape and ruin our plans. Maybe if I leave after the 3rd quarter and ignore checking the box scores and standings until April I’ll be a lot happier as a fan.
FA in 2010.
by ClipperChuck on Nov 1, 2009 11:07 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
"seven straight against teams that missed the playoffs last season"
The Hornets made the playoffs last season. We play them November 9th.
by ReignMan on Nov 1, 2009 11:07 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
One can argue that....
we play against a team that missed the playoffs every night as our own self-inflicted issues cost us game virtually every night.
In our 4 games so far this year we have given up 48 offensive rebounds while only getting 33 of our own. To further complicate manners we have committed 68 turnovers versus only 52 for the opposition. That’s a total of 31 extra possessions for the other team. We’ve also had 17 less FTAs than the other team while committing 20 more fouls.
So despite the fact we are shooting a higher FG% than the opposition we’re 0-4. Some credit of course has to be given to the other team but a lot of these mistakes are self-inflicted and we are merely reaping what we sow.
FA in 2010.
by ClipperChuck on Nov 1, 2009 11:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Without knowing the exact fg%’s to go off of, us having a higher fg% should negate some of the disparity of the offensive rebound differential between us and them. Us having a higher fg% explains somewhat of why they have higher offensive rebounding numbers, to a degree; we have fewer missed shots to get the offensive rebound of.
by Takebb909 on Nov 2, 2009 10:10 AM PST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
you are correct...
Not sure how I got that one so wrong. I was looking right at the schedule.
In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd
by Steve Perrin on Nov 1, 2009 11:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
This really is a must win game with no excuses available
The Wolves are really poor this year, especially since Kevin Love is out (I really like him as a player). I saw some of their opener with the Nets and they were down something like 20 points going into the 4th and but managed to pull out a victory.
Hang on, a team that pulled out a victory against all odds in the 4th Q vs the Clippers……trouble ahead.
I think Eric Gordon is the key figure in this game. We need to put him on Flynn defensively as he is a livewire but offensively, we need to go to Eric often as his matchup with Brewer should bring us plenty of points. I’d like to see him driving the lane a lot tonight.
Also, Jefferson will be a handful and he’ll get his points and rebounds but as long as we limit stuff elsewhere, they shouldn’t have enough firepower to hurt us. I’d expect a comfortable win tonight. It had better f****** be anyway.
Bingo! Oh me oh my!
by ClippersUK on Nov 2, 2009 5:07 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
yeah, TWolves are pretty horrible, on paper
Let´s see how MDSr tweaks the lineup to adjust to them, and makes it a game.
Seriously, from today on, the Clippers must start imposing their will on the court.
The sole thought of having to adjust to the Twolves makes me believe that yep, we are in fact screwed.
by edu_argentina on Nov 2, 2009 6:08 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
5th game of the year and its a must win. If Clips would get out of their own way they’ll be fine.
A man gotta have a code
by CP2Devil on Nov 2, 2009 7:23 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
ACCUSCORE
Have them winning 66.3% over 10,000 simulated game. But, why am I still worried?
by sqrebck on Nov 2, 2009 7:36 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Live Betting Predictions
Point Spread AccuScore Probability
Minnesota Timberwolves +8.5 64.2%
Los Angeles Clippers -8.5 35.7%
Over / Under AccuScore Probability
OVR 193 48.0%
UND 193 50.1%
Money Line AccuScore Probability
Minnesota Timberwolves +360 33.7%
Los Angeles Clippers -400 66.3%
TEAM WIN % PTS BIG WIN CLOSE WIN
min 33.7% 93.6 13.3% 10.6%
lac 66.3% 98 32.3% 13.3%
Big Win is by 10 or more pts; Close Win is by 4 or less pts.
by sqrebck on Nov 2, 2009 7:37 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Can you explain this..
I have no idea how to read livebetting..
by JackduhSun on Nov 2, 2009 8:27 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
There is a 58.5% chance that the Wolves will lose under 8.5 points spread.
by sqrebck on Nov 2, 2009 10:32 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Scary game
This game is scary to me for the mere fact that we’re 0-4 against pretty good teams, and desperate for a win. But it’s a tough situation where if we win, it’s “Ok so we finally got a W…but it’s against the crappy TWolves.” If we lose…it’s panic time. That’s not a great position to be in.
I’m sure the players are pretty desperate at this point and I’m concerned that they’re going to press and play tight. They know they need to beat this team.
As I’ve been harping all season long, this team just can’t execute. They get away with it in the first 3 quarters but eventually it catches up to them, and when the defenses start to really clamp down, the Clips wilt.
I wonder what a disappointing season looks like this year. We’ve spent all off-season thinking about how good this team can be. I wonder how bad it can be. If this is a 25 win team, is that a complete disaster (yes)? 30 wins?
by madglove on Nov 2, 2009 11:29 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Scar y game indeed...
I seem to recall the Clippers stumbling against the T-Wolves several times in recent years, in games they should have won, and needed to win. This one in particular was a killer.
In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd
by Steve Perrin on Nov 2, 2009 12:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Critical stretch
BDavis should have some extra gas in the tank after only playing 24 minutes on Saturday. Small silver lining there—if the Clips could play the game again, you’d want to bring him back in for the stretch run, but let’s just assume they would have lost anyway.
He has to win the matchup with Flynn and Sessions. His strength will be more effective than it was against Kidd or DWilliams.
Looking around at some other games yesterday, the TWolves were scoring points and doing okay against the Suns. The same goes for my favorite non-Clipper team, the Memphis Funk, in their game against Denver. The Wolves don’t look so different from what the Clippers have shown so far, and the Funk are downright impressive. I wish I had watched more of the Memphis-Denver game. Mayo looked good but he hadn’t gone off yet (he had 40). Marc Gasol looked great, and Thabeet was okay as a sub off the bench.
The Clips have to turn into winners, and a game against a team like the Wolves is a good time to start. Then they have to build from there. As SP points out, they have a great opportunity in November, and it’s probably just as well that they have to go through it and learn the lessons without Griffin.
They could easily not make it. They could be mediocre-to-poor and make mistakes and give some games away. And then the disfunction will be clear.
The funny thing is that if the team struggles the move that they will need to make could well be to get rid of their best player, Kaman. At least he’s making a strong case for improving his value out on the market.
But we’ll see what they’ve done after ten games, and then again at 20. And then they’ll add Griffin to the mix, perhaps before. But if they’re below .500 and don’t have enough good wins to show a rising tide, Kaman 3.0 could be on the trading block, with the Clips looking for expiring contracts and draft picks.
by citizen zhiv on Nov 2, 2009 11:30 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Kaman
You’re point about Kaman is spot on. Everyone was dying to trade him before, but now nobody wants to trade him. but of course that’s the time to make the deal – when the value is high.
Unfortunately, it’s hard to figure the type of trade that would work in this case – he’s playing too well, we’d want too much in return, which likely equals salary. Unless some team is willing to give up a young small forward, a pick and expiring contracts (that’s a tough combo), I don’t know what deal you make. But it only makes sense to trade him in order to shed salary.
In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd
by Steve Perrin on Nov 2, 2009 11:39 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Why trade Kaman?
I never understood this thinking. It makes ZERO sense to trade Kaman. He’s a center, he’s still young and we have nobody behind him.
Camby is likely playing his last season as a Clip. And even if he isn’t, he can’t possibly be relied on to be a full time starting center going forward. As we’ve all seen, DJ is nowhere near ready to be a starting center, or even a consistent rotational player.
Centers aren’t exactly a dime a dozen around this league. By what rational do you trade Kaman? People around here have wanted to trade him because they’re frustrated with him. Fine, he’s been frustrating. But who are the alternatives?
And at this point, what’s exactly the purpose of shedding salary? It’s not like DTS has mandated it. If the singular goal is to free up max cap room, well I’m not in support of that at all. Better to give away several other players for nothing than to give up your starting center. Especially when it’s very possible the Clips end up as one of many teams with tons of cap room and nobody to spend it on. If Lebron, Wade, and Bosh all stay or go elsewhere, then you know what happens? All the remaining teams go into a spending frenzy, desperate to validate their actions. That’s how you end up giving huge salaries to average players.
by madglove on Nov 2, 2009 12:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
As we’ve all seen, DJ is nowhere near ready to be a starting center, or even a consistent rotational player.
I think that’s the key. He had a great pre-season. But then the season starts, and he looks completely lost on the court. MDsr wanted to give him minutes ( I doubt he wanted Kaman playing 40+ mins the other day) but Jordan hasn’t performed when given the oppurtunity.
And with nobody within the organization who can step into that role, I don’t see what getting another wing (even if the current SF crop leaves something to be desired) does for you if that leaves you with no center.
by Michael White on Nov 2, 2009 12:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Skinner?
Is he injured? I’m not suggesting that play major minutes, but if DJ is lost on any given eve, we still shouldn’t be playing Kaman 40+ minutes.
C’m’on, Dj, we know you can do it.
by SilverClip on Nov 2, 2009 1:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I doubt he's injured
but I don’t think he has dressed either. I think MDsr saw what we all saw in DJ during summer league and pre-season and expected a better showing from him out of the gate. In that regard, if DJ was performing, there wouldn’t be any minutes for BSkinnz so there was no point in dressing him. But seeing Kaman dominate offensively and having such a severe drop off to DJ wasn’t tolerable so you saw Kaman playing 40+ minutes. I expect you are right though, if Jordan can’t get the job done BSkinnz will have to dress to give Kaman more rest.
by Michael White on Nov 2, 2009 1:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think that is the key point there MG
People were getting frustrated having this quality center who was never playing in CK and were looking at teams that were desperate for a big to try and get something back to help build our roster. Let’s face it, his slow return last year was a bit of a joke.
Now he’s back healthy, and especially playing like this, sure his stock is going to rise but so has his value to this team.
I’ve wondered if he was worth keeping in the past but if he can stay (reasonably) healthy then there is no way we should trade him. He’s still relatively young and looks like he is still improving if you look at some of his low post moves in recent games.
Bingo! Oh me oh my!
by ClippersUK on Nov 2, 2009 1:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Summer of Lebron?
Don’t we already have our LeBron? Aren’t we out of DWade, Bosh and LeBron? I would assume we would jump on role players to strengthen the core and our LeBron called Blake Superior.
by sqrebck on Nov 2, 2009 1:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe let the guy play an NBA game
before calling him Lebron. Nobody thinks Blake is going to be Lebron. Dude, NOBODY is Lebron.
by madglove on Nov 2, 2009 1:57 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Maybe not LeBron
But a Superstar none the less. He is often compared to Tim Duncan, Sloan compared him to Malone with additional skills.
Does he make a difference in games today? No
It took 3 years for the Cav’s to make the Playoffs, why does everybody expect a play off run after year one of a complete overhaul of the team.
by sqrebck on Nov 2, 2009 3:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It's complicated
All good points, mg, but it takes some doing to recover the calculations that make it a good idea to trade Kaman. We might as well go through it.
Call it the LeBron approach.
The idea is, yes, to maximize cap space for the next offseason, when there are a lot of very good free agents available, led by LeBron James.
It’s about DJordan as a serviceable center, something that remains to be seen. Camby’s contract will expire, so he’s not an option. We can come back to DJordan in a minute.
Even more, it’s about the young core of Gordon and Griffin, and add DJordan to the mix as well. Those guys are all 20 years old and they have a very bright future.
The rationale for trading Kaman is that the deal would allow the Clips to maximize cap space. It’s not that “people around here” want to trade him out of frustration, although that has been true. It’s the idea that he’s a good piece, with a substantial deal, but an expendable one, especially with a 2nd year backup who was a 2nd round pick.
Kaman is better trade bait than Baron Davis for a number of reasons, and as an experienced, former all-star PG BDavis would add continuity to the Clips going into the future.
I think SP might have mischaracterized the best deal that could be made for Kaman, as it’s not just about “shedding salary.” It’s important to make the distinction that it’s not about reducing payroll. It’s about bringing in a free agent who is superior to Kaman, superior to Camby, who is an experienced all-star caliber player who would complement Griffin, Gordon, and Jordan. I suppose it’s about making an offer to LeBron, just as the Clips cleared capspace and made an offer to Kobe.
The other, probably more important “mischaracterization,” if that’s what it is, in SP’s approach, is what the Clips would want back in the deal. This is the new element, because Kaman is looking more valuable. My sense of what would work for the Clips would be some garbage expiring deals, talented young players on their rookie deals (who might overlap on their current teams), and draft picks. If they take salary back, it would rookie-deal salaries, along with the expiring deals. Even that rookie-deal money could be substantial, and cut into the capspace, but if it’s a very talented player who complements the young core, it might make sense. But the pick or picks, and the team that it’s from, is probably more important.
I’m not saying this is a great idea. I wish the Clips could get it together and start winning. The plan does make more sense if the Clips are losing and don’t seem to be headed to the playoffs. The question at hand is what it’s like if the Clips are losing but Kaman is playing great. It becomes tough to figure.
I don’t remember the teams that have seemed to be likely Kaman destinations in the past. I’m not sure if they make sense in the new dynamic. You’d be looking for a team would value Kaman as a key piece for their future, willing to give up something good (a young player, a high draft pick) in order to get him.
But I could be wrong about all of this too. SP may be deeper into it than I am, and he sees difficulties that I’m missing.
And bottom line, don’t get me wrong, I’m okay with sticking with Kaman at the moment, and don’t want to chase after free agents that the Clips don’t have any chance of getting. But the pressure is on.
by citizen zhiv on Nov 2, 2009 3:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Need clarification
I’m a little confused zhiv. I’ll point out the parts that I’m kinda uncertain about:
The idea is, yes, to maximize cap space for the next offseason, when there are a lot of very good free agents available, led by LeBron James.
So to be clear, you’re saying we should trade Kaman to free up cap space to go after one of the free agents available right? But at the end you say this:
And bottom line, don’t get me wrong, I’m okay with sticking with Kaman at the moment, and don’t want to chase after free agents that the Clips don’t have any chance of getting. But the pressure is on.
So if you don’t want them to chase FAs they have no chance of getting (ie Lebron, Wade, Bosh) then my question would be, who can they get? And who can they get that fits the team and is better than Kaman? This idea that there will be tons of great FA’s is way overstated by fans and the media. After Lebron, Wade, Bosh, Amare and Joe Johnson, who is there that the Clips have a real shot at and is worth trading a starting center?
Look at the list of free agents and tell me who that player is. With Griffin in the fold guys like Amare, Boozer and Bosh don’t fit. With EJ as our future 2, Wade and Joe Johnson would seem redundant, even if we had a shot at Wade, which we probably don’t. If you’re playing GM here (and we all are really) then who is your target? If you’re advocating trading Kaman, who is the guy you’re saying we’re going after that’s not a pipe dream?
Even more, it’s about the young core of Gordon and Griffin, and add DJordan to the mix as well. Those guys are all 20 years old and they have a very bright future.
Why does this support trading Kaman? Kaman is 27. The guy still has many years of productivity. He’ll likely be in his prime for at least 5 more years. By then our core will be entering their primes. That’s how you put together an elite team. Every player doesn’t have to be the same age. You don’t support their “bright future” by trading away valuable talent. And this goes directly against the idea of going after a big name free agent. None of the free agents are 20 either. So what does the age of our core have any bearing on trading Kaman?
The rationale for trading Kaman is that the deal would allow the Clips to maximize cap space. It’s not that "people around here" want to trade him out of frustration, although that has been true. It’s the idea that he’s a good piece, with a substantial deal, but an expendable one, especially with a 2nd year backup who was a 2nd round pick.
Again, you maximize the cap space for who? Lebron? Who else? And again, I think it’s clear that the 2nd round pick isn’t ready to be a starting center. So having him on the team doesn’t really support the idea that we should trade Kaman right now.
If you’re talking about trading Kaman in 2 years (which you obviously aren’t), then that’s a different issue. If DJ has developed into the 2nd coming of Dwight Howard, then obviously, yes trade Kaman. But right now, it absolutely doesn’t make sense to trade Kaman.
by madglove on Nov 2, 2009 4:12 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
clear cap, clear cap, clear cap for what?
My feelings exactly.
Clippers hold a better chance of keeping the core and trading via sign and trade for LeBron.
Is it about winning a championship or making money for LeBron?
why purge your team, if you can’t sign your prize?
by sqrebck on Nov 2, 2009 4:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Further notes on DJordan
Another part of the Kaman discussion is how DJordan factors in.
But before getting to that, it’s worth wondering about what a “quality center” might be in reality, and making some comparisons. You don’t want to overpay for big men. There’s a long list of bloated big man contracts that haven’t paid out well at all. Dampier, D’Alembert, Gadzuric, Eddy Curry—there’s a bunch of them. At this point, in number of games played under his current deal, Kaman is part of the group, but he looks great right now and fingers are crossed. If he’s Kaman 2.0 and stays healthy, his deal is a good one. If he’s 3.0, averaging 20+ ppg, shooting 55% and rebounding and he stays healthy, it’s a steal.
But there’s something to be said for the serviceable center approach. It’s the Joel Pryzbillas and Zaza Pachulias of the world. Look at the way that Birdman came in and replaced Camby, just as Nene came on. Kendrick Perkins is a serviceable guy on an elite team. And Perkins shows that if you have elite players at other positions, they can make the serviceable center a better player.
Is DJordan such a player? After a great preseason and four games, we have no idea whatsoever, and we’re more confused than ever before. The Clips esteemed coach, faced with a troubling opening day setback, has responded to adversity with a seemingly problematic early approach. He is riding Kaman for all he’s worth, and betting on Camby and Craig Smith and Al Thornton. He has “gone small” a couple of times, with no success, and he is yet to try putting RButler into the starting lineup. DJordan has received extremely limited minutes, 22 in 4 games. Kaman is at 164, Camby 123, Thornton 122, and Craig Smith 63. If extra minutes (out of the 96 allotted for C/PF in any given game) were made available because of Griffin’s injury, none of them have gone to DJordan so far. He’s playing about the same amount that we would have expected without Griffin’s injury, and perhaps less.
And the minutes that he has gotten haven’t been in great situations. Part of this is opponents thus far, and some of it is the players on the floor with him. As Kaman has looked good, and Craig Smith has played some nice minutes and Camby too, DJordan is the forgotten man thus far. That’s okay, but it needs to evolve, and he needs to have some chances to succeed.
by citizen zhiv on Nov 2, 2009 4:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Interesting but
I’d rather focus on figuring out how to win a game this year – and why we haven’t – rather than the eight millionth discussion on whether Kaman should be traded.
Kaman can be a good player. We are seeing that now. But this ain’t fantasy basketball. He’s got a very expensive contract, and the teams and their scouts know his positive and negative attributes. They know he’s played 43 games the past two years. They know he’s got an “interesting” personality to say the least. And they know he’s not very reliable over the long haul.
So you’re probably not going to fool anyone into overpaying for him. Let’s focus instead on how to transform the psyhological loser mentality that permeates this team.
by Jax on Nov 2, 2009 4:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Why do we have to "focus" on anything?
Nothing we say here changes anything for the team.
I think we all have plenty of time to debate pretty much every topic out there.
by madglove on Nov 2, 2009 4:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You don't have to do anything - I just pointed out what I'd like to focus on
by Jax on Nov 2, 2009 4:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Then why do you have the need to interject yourself into the convo?
by madglove on Nov 2, 2009 4:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm relaxed
I just don’t see why you felt the need to tell everyone what we should be focusing on.
It’s a blog. We’re having a convo. Either add to it or just ignore it.
by madglove on Nov 2, 2009 4:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think you misred my post or I inartfully said what I was trying to say
which was that since Kaman isn’t going anywhere there’s little need to debate the issue, particularly when we have other pressing matters.
by Jax on Nov 2, 2009 4:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I see
But who’s to say? I think anyone can get traded in this league. And there’s been rumors about Kaman before.
My thing is, zhiv seems to think as the team struggles, they may “need” to trade Kaman. I just didn’t understand his comment and wanted clarification.
He said this:
The funny thing is that if the team struggles the move that they will need to make could well be to get rid of their best player, Kaman. At least he’s making a strong case for improving his value out on the market.
Steve then seemed to agree with the sentiment. I just don’t understand it at all. How does trading Kaman improve the team…now or later?
by madglove on Nov 2, 2009 4:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
For the reasons I stated below
He’s got a huge contract, he’s injury-prone, he’s unreliable and we have other bigs that can fill in.
by Jax on Nov 2, 2009 4:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
So trading Kaman
b/c of those things makes the team better?
Are you saying it’s addition by subtraction?
If you could give away Kaman for nothing would you?
by madglove on Nov 2, 2009 4:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If by nothing you mean saving the cash
then of course I would
by Jax on Nov 2, 2009 4:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You're jus talking crazy now.
I can’t believe you think giving Kaman away for “cash” is a good idea.
That’s just ludicrous.
by madglove on Nov 2, 2009 4:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, I do think that
He’s not worth anywhere near what he’s getting paid IMO.
by Jax on Nov 2, 2009 5:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
So if DJ's worth is that unclear
How can you advocate trading Kaman?
Finding a starting center in this league, even a serviceable one, isn’t easy. That’s why teams overpay for bigs like you mentioned.
You don’t just trade away a guy like Kaman unless you’re getting serious value in return. And cap space and a pick or two isn’t that kind of value. Unless you’re talking about seriously high picks.
by madglove on Nov 2, 2009 4:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Ok I'll bite
Since when does Kaman represent “serious value”?
by Jax on Nov 2, 2009 4:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Since
he’s a starting center and this team has zero better options behind him.
Since half the starting centers in the league are overpaid stiffs.
If you think Kaman doesn’t have real value around the league, you’re misguided.
by madglove on Nov 2, 2009 4:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Makes sense, but I have a few comments
In my view, we really can’t begin to debate whether we should trade Kaman unless we gain a fair approximation of he’s worth to other teams. He’s got a very expensive contract, he’s unreliable, he’s injury-prone and yet he’s significantly talented when focuses.
What is that worth? Would any other team assume his contract or trade another player of comperable value? In my view, this really would be about shedding financial obligations because I doubt we’d get back what we would perceive to be equal value on the open market because at least as fans we tend to overvalue the players on the teams we love.
We could trade him to free up cash in my view, even though we wouldn’t get LBJ or DWade because there are a number of other free agents out there that are cheaper that we would be interested in. In addition, we have enough bigs to replace him.
Is that possible? Probably not given the negatives.
by Jax on Nov 2, 2009 4:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well I don't agree
that 1) there are a number of other FA’s that we’d be interested in, or 2) that we have the bigs to replace Kaman.
Who replaces Kaman? Camby on his last legs or DJ who isn’t even in the rotation? 6-7 Smith? I just don’t see why people think it’s so easy to replace a starting caliber center.
As for other FA’s, I’ll ask you the same question I asked zhiv – who? If not Wade or Lebron, who do we need to throw the max at? We already have $11+ mil without trading Kaman. So we already have money to throw at cheaper alternatives. So what does trading Kaman do for us?
by madglove on Nov 2, 2009 4:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It may not be easy but
They can get it done and ther’s alot available out there next year. We will have alot of money to spend. I’d do it.
by Jax on Nov 2, 2009 4:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Way to speak in vague generalities
but not answer any of my questions.
Again, who can they get that they can’t get for $11+ mil?
And again, who replaces Kaman?
by madglove on Nov 2, 2009 4:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Why do we have to throw the max at anyone?
And we don’t have to replace him with a starting center who scores alot. I’m assuming (maybe I shoudn’t be) that Griffin will be scoring alot from the PF position.
by Jax on Nov 2, 2009 4:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Then why do we need the extra cap space?
We already have a ton of cap space WITH Kaman. Just not max cap space.
And who said we need just scoring? Tell me who you think should be the starting center if they trade Kaman.
by madglove on Nov 2, 2009 4:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yea...good plan...
You realize Camby probably won’t be a Clipper next year right?
by madglove on Nov 2, 2009 4:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
So?
I’m not anywhere near of the Kaman fan you are. Sorry the team won 19 games last year with him. Time to rebuild.
by Jax on Nov 2, 2009 5:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yea b/c
rebuilding with a 28 yr old starting center makes no sense…
by madglove on Nov 2, 2009 5:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
What exactly do you like about Kaman?
His contract? No.
His reliability? No.
His ability to stay on the court? No.
I know – the fact that every once in a while he plays well in spurts.
Fool me once . . .
by Jax on Nov 2, 2009 5:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And who are these "better" players?
That we actually have a chance at? AND that we need MORE cap space for?
WHO?
by madglove on Nov 2, 2009 4:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Not going to scour the free agency lists right now
If you think free agents won’t sign here, start thinking about how to make that situation better.
by Jax on Nov 2, 2009 5:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Uh...
Is me thinking about it going to make it happen?
by madglove on Nov 2, 2009 5:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Is you thinking lovingly about Kaman
going to suddenly make him a reliable long-term option for a team that won 19 games last year?
by Jax on Nov 2, 2009 5:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And you don't want to "scour"
the list b/c the reality is that you’re just making general statements without any actual plan.
You say there are better options…you just can’t offer any.
by madglove on Nov 2, 2009 5:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Every center is injury prone
They are 7 feet tall.
by Michael White on Nov 2, 2009 4:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Right but some are more than others
How many games did Kaman miss in the last two years?
by Jax on Nov 2, 2009 4:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
A ton
but I remember doing the math earlier when this convo came up, Kaman has played in a higher percentage of his games (throughout his career) than Camby who everyone around here loves.
But yes, if you just look at the past 2 years, it wouldn’t be pretty.
by Michael White on Nov 2, 2009 4:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well Jax just wants to give Kaman away
and thinks that’s a good basketball move.
So I’m thinking he’s not so interested in your facts.
by madglove on Nov 2, 2009 4:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Shedding a huge contract does not equal giving someone away
You know that mg
by Jax on Nov 2, 2009 4:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Camby is also injury prone
except recently he hasn’t been
Why wouldn’t you look at the past two years?
by Jax on Nov 2, 2009 4:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Wouldn't that be the problem
Advocating running off Kaman (while he’s healthy) when the organizational depth behind him is another injury prone player and 20 year old who hasn’t exactly shown he can play at a high level. This is all while the injury prone first round draft pick is sitting out for the first 8 weeks. Unloading front court depth wouldn’t be my choice because of all the question marks regarding health.
by Michael White on Nov 2, 2009 4:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Not really IMO
Because Kaman is an overpriced unreliable player IMO. I understand your point but I don’t think Kaman is any more reliable than Camby / Jordan.
by Jax on Nov 2, 2009 5:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It's a good thing then that....
no one here seems to value your opinion.
7 ft ambidextrous centers don’t grow on trees here, Kaveman isn’t perfect but he’s still a top 10 center.
Worst case is we can wait until the trade line and a number of teams in contention will offer us more for Camby and Kaman. In the meantime we can hope to right this ship and make a playoff run.
FA in 2010.
by ClipperChuck on Nov 2, 2009 5:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Ouch
Easy for you guys to say – you’re not cutting his checks. The team tried to dump him last year but found no takers.
Whatever.
by Jax on Nov 2, 2009 5:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
So am I
and I think he stays, in fact Kaman’s hot start has been the only really positive we’ve seen so far this year.
EJ hasn’t shown too much improvement yet, Baron looks better but his shot is still off, Camby has had a couple of good performances but what we expect out of him, BG has been out, AT has been disappointing. So far Kaman has been our only bright spot.
FA in 2010.
by ClipperChuck on Nov 2, 2009 5:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You are right
Kaman’s hot start has been the only positive thing we’ve seen. But that hasn’t translated into any wins so far. That’s the problem.
With other bigs available and the ability to trade for talent that might help us win, and his potential viability as a chip, I’d certainly look into it (sorry that no one here values my opinion).
by Jax on Nov 2, 2009 5:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
How does dumping Kaman help then?
Dumping our most productive player so far seems to be counter-intuitive. Its painfully apparent that Kaman is not the reason we’re winless, I would say that fault goes to Baron, AT and EJ so far as we’re turning the ball over too much.
FA in 2010.
by ClipperChuck on Nov 2, 2009 5:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Who cares where the fault lies?
Why do we want to keep around expensive bigs when we are not winning?
by Jax on Nov 2, 2009 5:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Baron is expensive
the team is not winning, why not trade him?
by Michael White on Nov 2, 2009 5:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I would if I could
But there would be no takers
by Jax on Nov 2, 2009 5:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
4 games in?
against 4 good teams and you want to burn the house down already?
We trade Kaman for some magic beans and fail to get anyone back and we are back to rebuilding for another 5 years.
FA in 2010.
by ClipperChuck on Nov 2, 2009 5:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Do you think things are going to change?
It’s not that they lost – it’s how they lost. I fear that the team has big problems that can’t be easily solved. BD has lost several steps – they have no go to guy – no experienced leader to get them over the hump.
So what exactly is the house that would be burning?
by Jax on Nov 2, 2009 5:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
How is getting rid of our best players
going to attract a top tier free agent?
FA in 2010.
by ClipperChuck on Nov 2, 2009 11:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Besides Lebron, which free agent would be best?
I’m not sure I want to bet the house on Lebron signing with us, cap space or not. And trading Kaman would be one such gamble.
Suppose we do trade him… In that case, I’d rather get someone good for him. I like the idea, then, of getting a talented rookie or 2nd year guy, which would only create some cap space and not the full $10 million (or whatever Kaman’s salary is). To do this would be to abandon our dreams of Lebron or Wade, but we would at that point have about $15 million to spend.
Without Kaman, we’d need a 3 and a 5. Maybe the trade itself would bring in one of these. Maybe free agency could bring in another. I’m only having fun speculating here, but who do you suppose would be the best free agent? Joe Johnson is a 2, and so may not really meet our needs.
by SilverClip on Nov 2, 2009 4:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That's just it
Besides Lebron and Wade, there is nobody else worth taking a huge gamble on. Those two are franchise changers, but are they even going to sniff at the Clips?
After those two, no way I’m giving anyone else max money. And we only need to trade Kaman if we want to offer a max contract to someone. Bosh is VERY good but hasn’t been able to lift Toronto to any heights. No reason to think he’d do any better in LA. Plus, with Blake, giving the max to a PF makes no sense.
So if the argument is trade Kaman to have a shot, no matter how slight, at Lebron or Wade. Fine, but I’m not a fan of that. But if it’s trade Kaman for a max offer to anyone else…that makes no sense to me.
WITH Kaman this team has over $11 mil in cap space. We’re fine.
by madglove on Nov 2, 2009 4:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And what is EJ supposed to do?
Neither are small forwards or point guards.
And who’s to say Joe Johnson wants to be a Clipper? He can get more money staying with the Hawks.
by madglove on Nov 2, 2009 4:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Bosh is as well
A frontcourt of Bosh, BG and Al would be pretty good.
FA in 2010.
by ClipperChuck on Nov 2, 2009 5:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Neither Bosh or BG is a center
Not sure how well that experiment would work out.
by Michael White on Nov 2, 2009 5:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Bosh currently plays with Bargnani
and he’s close to being a Center these days. There are few true post guys in the league. Bosh is a pretty similar player to a young KG (not as good though) with good range (and excellent FT shooter). Would be a pretty dynamic duo.
FA in 2010.
by ClipperChuck on Nov 2, 2009 5:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It'd be quite an expensive experiment too.
by madglove on Nov 2, 2009 5:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
No risk no reward
Nothing is a sure thing, the VC trade, Jefferson trade, Shaq trade, Kidd trade, etc etc, none of them are sure things. Well except the Gasol trade, that was just stupid.
FA in 2010.
by ClipperChuck on Nov 2, 2009 5:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You want to pay someone the max
to have him play out of position?
Bosh weighs like 220…no way he can be a starting center.
by madglove on Nov 2, 2009 5:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He's much bigger now
he gained something like 20 pounds this summer of muscle.
In fact he went off for 35 points and 16 rebounds (and outplayed Dwight Howard) against the Magic this weekend.
FA in 2010.
by ClipperChuck on Nov 2, 2009 5:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
On that note
I was at the Laker game last night – Bynum is HUGE in person. I can’t see anyone other than Dwight stopping him.
by Jax on Nov 2, 2009 5:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Are you seriously talking up Bynum
while knocking Kaman for being injured and unreliable?
Seriously?
by madglove on Nov 2, 2009 5:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
No, I'm not talking him up - wow you are aggressive today mg
I just made an observation about how big he is. He’s also unreliable and injury-prone.
by Jax on Nov 2, 2009 5:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You brought that out of left field
and said he’s unstoppable to anyone not named Dwight. I think you are talking him up.
He’s another big that’s overpaid and injury prone, maybe the Lakers should trade him for peanuts too.
FA in 2010.
by ClipperChuck on Nov 2, 2009 5:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That's not what I said
And if the Lakers were losing and he was much older they should consider dumping.
But they aren’t.
by Jax on Nov 2, 2009 5:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Easy
Double team him, he still gets most of his baskets off easy alley-oops from Odom and Kobe. I think he’ll have the same issues as Kaman where he’ll get a lot more offensive foul calls and travels if he’s forced to put the ball on the floor.
FA in 2010.
by ClipperChuck on Nov 2, 2009 5:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Long way to February...
Is there a way that Chris Kaman or Marc Gasol make the allstar team?
by sqrebck on Nov 2, 2009 1:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm pretty sure DAL would have to be in the equation.
Trading Kaman for Josh Howard makes sense for both teams. Less so for us becauase Kaman is actually good again. I believe Howard is an expiring contract, and DAL can’t like what they have in the middle. This puts us in a great position for next year’s free agent class, and Howard plays inspired ball when he’s not injured. Unfortunately, an injury-prone player coming to LAC seems counter-intuitive to say the least.
by Gordon for President on Nov 2, 2009 1:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Four games is not enough for me to fall for Kaman 3.0, we have been down this block before and it has never ended well.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Nov 2, 2009 1:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
btw guys...
You notice how we keep saying each game is a “must win”…
…I think the last two games have been “must wins”….
by Newtybar on Nov 2, 2009 11:37 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Al Thornton
Can anyone explain how Al Thornton hasnt lost his starting job yet?
I know its early in the season but he has looked absolutely wretched in every game thus far. Rasual Butler is without a doubt the better small forward. Al doesnt seem like he has ever gotten comfortable in the big leagues and I think its clear now that he doesnt even belong. I havent looked at his stats but I assure you they must be horrendous. ( I mean – did anyone see the last two games especially – Al played like crap) There’s no other way to put it.
If I can remember correctly he was one of the least efficient in the league last year and if Clippers management stick with him any longer he is sure to carry that title once again.
by the latest news on Nov 2, 2009 11:42 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I think every time someone mentions Al Thornton
his deficiencies get exagerrated more and more. It’s like everyone wants to “up” all the other posters in their disgust that Al Thornton still starts. By the end of the week, people will start openly lobbying to have Thornton just cut outright.
I mean seriously, do people need to make this exact same point 50 times? We get it, Thornton shouldn’t start, Dunleavy is an idiot, blah blah blah.
by Michael White on Nov 2, 2009 11:45 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And since you mentioned efficiency
Al Thornton PER this season: 9.3
Rasual Butler PER this season: 8.7
Both of those are awful frankly but it kind of confirms what I’ve been seeing. I haven’t though Butler has played all that well in his own right. Frankly, he looks the most comfortable at the 2, which isn’t an option since our superstar plays the 2.
by Michael White on Nov 2, 2009 11:51 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah it's quite comical all you guys calling for Al to be pushed to the bench
Yeah it may be the right move but do you really think Butler is that vastly a better player compared to Al? He’s just been flying under the radar. Does nothing that catches the eye as being bad but does nothing either that makes you say, wow he should be starting every night. If anything, his play against Dallas should keep him on the bench. He did NOTHING in 26 minutes.
Lets be honest, putting Al on the bench only makes sense because we feel he MAY only thrive if he’s the number 1 or 2 option on the floor. But other than that, Al and Butler have both kept the offensive flow equally as good (or bad, however you see it)
stats_reb. __stl___blk.___to____pf___ast___pts
Al___5.5__ .50__ .50__ 1.00__ 2.00__ 1.5___8.8
Sool_1.5__ .25__ .50__ 1.50__ 3.00__ 2.0___8.3
by dulciusEXasperis on Nov 2, 2009 1:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Amazing what a good point guard can do for you
unfortunately for us we have Baron.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Nov 2, 2009 1:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
haha
I still cannot believe the drop off in production he’s had. Damn those contract seasons. Players always play better whether consciously knowing/meaning to or not.
by dulciusEXasperis on Nov 2, 2009 1:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Vastly superior?
I don’t know if anyone has said that Butler is a better all-around player than Thornton. I think most are arguing that it’s a better move for the team. So all the head to head comparisons are pretty much irrelevant. We’re not putting our bets on Butler over Thornton in a 1-on-1 game here. We’re talking about who’s a better fit for the starting unit and for the bench.
Like others have said, I think the idea is that moving Thornton to the 2nd unit would be good for him and the team. I think we all see the potential that he’d flourish being the primary guy with the second unit. That and Butler’s shooting would help our first unit play more effectively (better spacing, spreading the d, etc.).
by madglove on Nov 2, 2009 1:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
+1... and you can also talk about it in terms of deficiencies
When Butler is in there with the 2nd unit (Bassy, Smith, DJ, etc), it forces him to be more of a primary scorer (creating his own shot, etc), which just doesn’t seem like his game. Everyone’s saying that AT is better when he’s the 1st or 2nd option. We should also say that Butler is a better piece when he’s NOT the main guy.
by SilverClip on Nov 2, 2009 3:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Good Point
The A.T. v.s. Butler argument is more tired than old.
People seem to love or hate Al, but I think what we can all agree that Butler has only made the rotation stronger. Also, giving Al some competition seems to be motivating him to pay more D and give more effort on rebounding.
by ghost_ride on Nov 2, 2009 5:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Al
Al has not been good this season… but it’s early, and I don’t think he’s been as bad as people seem to think. He’s rebounding a little better than he has earlier in his career, and he’s not turning the ball over a lot. He just can’t shoot (12 for 36 on the season).
Against Dallas, it was clear that he was trying to do what every one wants him to do – not ‘settle’ for the jump shot, and take the ball to the hole. Well guess what? He passed up multiple wide open jumpers, and got stuffed taking the ball inside. It’s not a as simple as one or the other – sometimes the jumper is settling, and sometimes it’s the right shot. But his confidence is shot right now, and he won’t take the jumper.
I still want him coming off the bench, not because he sucks but because it’s the better fit for the team. I assume it will happen soon – but probably not tonight, since Gomes is something of a tweener and at 245 is a lot bigger than Sool.
In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd
by Steve Perrin on Nov 2, 2009 12:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Must Win
there is no other way to put it, we have to win this game.
by The Blake Griffin Era on Nov 2, 2009 12:54 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Favorite
I’m kinda terrified we’re the favorites in this one, by EIGHT points no less. If we lose this one though, things are bad and all those moral victories against the good teams we played are for nothing. We need to beat the mediocre/below average teams to salvage any excitement about the early stages of this season.
OH YEAH, check out my Fire Dunleavy song. It’s wonderful. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TOCQjLpSteE
by mattafact on Nov 2, 2009 1:42 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Same Ol' Clips
especially during crunch time
by wilriv21 on Nov 2, 2009 1:43 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
If the Clippers lose tonight, you might as will just cancel the season.
I've got nothing.
by bc56274 on Nov 2, 2009 2:22 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
JOHN WALL! JOHN WALL! JOHN WALL! JOHN WALL!
'Cause how you play, is how you'll be remembered. PLAY LOUD!
by CLiPPz WeRD 12 on Nov 2, 2009 2:57 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Al Thornton is Good, REAL Good but,
CMDsr. is not using his (AT) talents to good use. We are not running Iso’s for AT or swinging to him last on the Offense so he is not productive as a potential scoring option. If you do the same play every time on offense the other team figures it out eventually and then your stuck. This is what has happened thus far in the young season. CMDsr has to start to mix it up a little bit.
As for the Dallas Game,
Sool 26.04 min. 0-3 shooting 3 rebounds 0 blocks 1 point
AT 24.40 min. 2-8 shooting 6 rebounds 2 blocks 6 points
Everything starts out New, Gets Old and Dies or is Destroyed.
by HVYDRT007 on Nov 2, 2009 3:18 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
so...what you are saying is...
CMDsr is a bad coach?
by Newtybar on Nov 2, 2009 3:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Al Thorton isn"t the problem but he also isn"t the cure
(AT) can score but his basketball IQ isn’t quite there yet. He still does his shake n bake
shot which i think is too much faking or what ever he’s trying to do. He has pass the
ball a little better than last season which was one of his flaws and it looks like his
rebounding and defense are getting better. But all of this is coaching and the mentor
who he had before him who was Maggette. I think our main problem is our point guard
so far (Baron Davis in 4 games 51 points vs Kobe,Nash,Williams and kidd total 81points.
Our 4 games we lost them by combine 34 points. This team will go as far as our point
guard play. All of that said i can’t see us losing to the T-Wolves. Go Clippers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by ENCUEROMAN on Nov 2, 2009 3:32 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
At this point, anything can happen...
….but PLEASE Clips…don’t lose to the Wolves!
by Newtybar on Nov 2, 2009 3:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Uh...
Why is Kobe part of the points comparison? Just so you can try to twist the stats?
Fish, Nash, Will and Kid have combined for 58 points. Baron has had 44 points (not sure where you got 51 from).
And the issue isn’t really just points anyway. It’s overall play. We definitely need more from Baron, but he and Dun clearly aren’t on the same page.
by madglove on Nov 2, 2009 3:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
al thornton and our point guards
if we had better point play, thornton wouldnt be a problem…in the 4th quarter kaman, who had a hot hand all night, never saw the ball….kidd, williams, paul, derek fisher, even rondo, dont make dumb plays when the game is on the line.mdsr put the pieces together, now, the point play needs to step up to the challenge instead of making excuses for themselves.
by dellago on Nov 2, 2009 4:25 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Why is Kobe part of the points comparison?
If you were watching that game Baron was guarding kobe that night not EJ. Thats why
i throw Kobe’s points on Baron.
by ENCUEROMAN on Nov 2, 2009 5:05 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Hey mg
Going down to the bottom to get away from the noise.
I suppose in the end that it’s about Lebron. You’re right, as we’ve known, more or less, for some time, that the free agents worth chasing after are limited. Joe Johnson and Bosh might still make sense, but it’s a tougher argument to make.
I guess my point is that if the team is doing badly, and Kaman’s value is high—and he’s healthy—there will be some new pressure to make a trade and set things up to bring in LeBron. But why would Lebron sign with the Clips if the team is so historically bad and continues to be so, even in a year like this one where there talent is better than usual?
There’s something to be said for pushing all of the chips onto the table and going after a superstar. If it doesn’t happen, you regroup, you have capspace and some flexibility and young players and can still put together a nice roster.
Kaman’s effort and energy and production are a real bright spot for the Clips in the midst of a rough and challenging start. No reason to get ahead of ourselves and get into an over-involved discussion of potential trades. My bad—it’s too soon. I just thought it was odd and typically Clipper-strange, in light of past discussions about trading Kaman.
I’m much more interested in the Clips getting it together and playing well and getting some wins. Ready to get started tonight.
by citizen zhiv on Nov 2, 2009 5:56 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I got ya
That’s what I wasn’t sure about. I mean, if you want to say you’re ready to sell the house at Lebron, I can’t really blame you. I’m not sure that’s the wisest course of action, but I also agree that there is indeed something to be said for such a plan.
What I do know is that we’re in a precarious position if we strike out with Lebron. Then we’re one of several teams with tons of cap space, and a bunch of free agents who are just asking to be overpaid. The reality of the 2010 landscape is that quite a few teams will have over $10 mil in cap space, and there just aren’t that many free agents who are worth huge contracts. Rudy Gay just turned down $10 mil a year because he thinks he can get more next summer. If I’m the Clips, do I want to end up losing out on Lebron and instead giving a guy like Rudy Gay $60 mil? Is that going to make the Clips a contender?
It’s a worthwhile discussion, and I can’t say that I’m totally against betting the farm on Lebron. It just scares me a bit.
But what I wanted to make clear is that to me it’s Lebron (and Wade) or bust. Talking about giving Joe Johnson or Chris Bosh the max isn’t making this team a contender, and I think they’re even less likely to come to the Clips.
by madglove on Nov 2, 2009 6:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think that Rudy Gay would be a very good pickup
I think this team could be very very dangerous with a young core of Gay, Gordon, and Griffin (G force) as long as Baron realizes that Rudy Gay will be the star, although we could trade Baron for more cap space if things get really bad.
In Gordon we trust
by bestclipfan on Nov 2, 2009 6:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Heck, if the Utah Jazz can go over the cap
Why can’t we? screw the cap! lets keep Kaman and go after Rudy!
by big0lbad on Nov 2, 2009 6:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
We are over the cap.
I don’t think you understand the CBA.
by madglove on Nov 2, 2009 6:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
CLIPPER NATION TONIGHT POSITIVE WAVES
All this disagreeing back and forth who should be traded and who shouldn’t is no good
right now for the kama of the Clipper Nation. This is our team right now and like it or
not we need to the send all the positive force to them tonight and lets get a 7 game win
streak going. So tonight if all of us at Clips Nation around 7:30pm give a little prayer to
the basketball gods i think tommorrow we will be talking about what an awesome game.
by ENCUEROMAN on Nov 2, 2009 6:47 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
hopefully AL can take a deep breath and thrive in the 2nd unit
by big0lbad on Nov 2, 2009 7:04 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
i predict
We will be the best 1 and 4 team in the NBA after tonight!
by big0lbad on Nov 2, 2009 7:12 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Anyone got a link for live feed?
by The Only Team That Matters on Nov 2, 2009 7:50 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
yea
http://www.atdhe.net/5549/watch-minnesota-timberwolves-vs-los-angeles-clippers
can you tell me if its lagging or is it just me
by ItwillbeFATAL on Nov 2, 2009 7:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry, just saw your "lagging" request...
Yeah it was lagging for me. Then it got admin blocked or something. sigh That’s what I get for having my TV in storage.
by The Only Team That Matters on Nov 2, 2009 8:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Wondering the same thing
guess we’ll just use this for now
by turs12 on Nov 2, 2009 7:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, the stream kinda sucks
but oh well, beggars can’t be choosers!
by edk3 on Nov 2, 2009 8:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
not looking good at the end of the first
by whyamiaclippersfan on Nov 2, 2009 8:08 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Gotta be the worst closing team
Like EJ attacking the basket
by dulciusEXasperis on Nov 2, 2009 8:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
haha Thornton buzzer!!!
He looks so serious. Like, “God finally one drops”
by dulciusEXasperis on Nov 2, 2009 8:11 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Loved watching Camby direct the defense on that last possession
http://www.clipperscurse.com/
by ClippersCurse on Nov 2, 2009 8:11 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
ugh, how are we only up 2?
shooting nearly 70% from the field.
by turs12 on Nov 2, 2009 8:11 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
its the clippers thats why…..they could be shooting 100% and they might be losing the game!!! ;)
by whyamiaclippersfan on Nov 2, 2009 8:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He's a bit off on D
Not where he’s supposed to be…a bit lost.
by Newtybar on Nov 2, 2009 8:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Any other places to get a stream?
Sorry to be the no TV loser. Anyone know any other options?
by The Only Team That Matters on Nov 2, 2009 8:18 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
dont know of any feeds, try gamecast on espn?
by big0lbad on Nov 2, 2009 8:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
leaguepass?
http://www.clipperscurse.com/
by ClippersCurse on Nov 2, 2009 8:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Is that on NBA.com?
by The Only Team That Matters on Nov 2, 2009 8:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
http://www.nba.com/leaguepass/online.html
all access free preview until 11/3
http://www.clipperscurse.com/
by ClippersCurse on Nov 2, 2009 8:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks much...
I signed up with them for the freebie. Now just trying to find the game.
by The Only Team That Matters on Nov 2, 2009 8:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
pick it up after the timeout guys
amazing how the momentum can change from one timeout. Wolves powering back
by dulciusEXasperis on Nov 2, 2009 8:24 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Cant get a shot off after a timeout!!!
http://www.clipperscurse.com/
by ClippersCurse on Nov 2, 2009 8:27 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Butler had it but isn't confident after goign 0-3
So gave it up but by then shot clock way too low.
by dulciusEXasperis on Nov 2, 2009 8:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
DID YOU SEE THAT? Kaman actaully kept the ball above his head and kept it there… maybe he really is Kaman 3.0
by DariusN on Nov 2, 2009 8:29 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
can't get mad at himf or that though
he got the offensive rebound.
by Newtybar on Nov 2, 2009 8:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
good hustle though
just couldn’t get up high enough to drop the ball in (which is what he was trying to do). Two quick jumps….still gotta convert on that easy bucket.
by dulciusEXasperis on Nov 2, 2009 8:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I’d like it if we’d put the ball in the hands of Eric Gordon and see what he can create when we hit these offensive lulls.
by DariusN on Nov 2, 2009 8:36 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Yeah that's good for drawing defenders away from other options too.
Opens up the game. After he burns a couple of guys, or even comes close, they’ll have to respect him with defenders.
by The Only Team That Matters on Nov 2, 2009 8:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Nice to see Baron, Kaman and Camby having some fun out there.
http://www.clipperscurse.com/
by ClippersCurse on Nov 2, 2009 8:40 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
When Davis and Gordon in the backcourt...
which one is guarding flynn, which one is guarding brewer?
by RockyMountain on Nov 2, 2009 8:41 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
One thing’s for certain: no one’s guarding flynn
by DariusN on Nov 2, 2009 8:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That’s why I’m asking. It seems like Flynn gets to the basket at will (layups) instead of making his jumpers.
by RockyMountain on Nov 2, 2009 8:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
my brother in LA tells me the crowd did an MVP chant for kaman? is that true?
by hans007 on Nov 2, 2009 8:42 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Ralph said it on TV so sounds like it
haha good for Kaman.
by dulciusEXasperis on Nov 2, 2009 8:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
that is awesome , he’s been at least all star worthy these 5 games.
by hans007 on Nov 2, 2009 8:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
is there an explanation to the disappearance of Baron's jumper?
by Hough on Nov 2, 2009 8:42 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
disappearance?
http://www.clipperscurse.com/
by ClippersCurse on Nov 2, 2009 8:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Decline?
He still can pass at least
by dulciusEXasperis on Nov 2, 2009 8:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
he's never been a good shooter...so I think decline is the more appropriate word
from bad to….really bad.
by Newtybar on Nov 2, 2009 8:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
pretty much sums it up
I think this is the best it gets for him. He worked so hard this offseason and is completely motivated and looks solid everywhere other than the defense lapses every know and again and the poor shooting.
by dulciusEXasperis on Nov 2, 2009 8:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
This team looks good right now
When Blake returns, im sure he’ll come off the bench and that 2nd unit just gets that much stronger
by big0lbad on Nov 2, 2009 8:48 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
the team will look good when it is .500 or above.
by Newtybar on Nov 2, 2009 8:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
We had a coupld "tough losses"
if we had Blake on the court, i think those close games would have been W’s
by big0lbad on Nov 2, 2009 8:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah man I still can't get over not having Blake
He would make a difference. Having on the court will make a difference. Can’t wait till he’s back. This will be a different team with him back.
by dulciusEXasperis on Nov 2, 2009 8:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
12 more rebounds, 8 fewer shots
Even with 5 more turnovers, it seems strange
by SilverClip on Nov 2, 2009 9:01 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
No rebounding and poor shot selection
awesome!
by dulciusEXasperis on Nov 2, 2009 9:07 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Wolves are everywhere
lookign sloppy Clips. Nut the f**k up.
by dulciusEXasperis on Nov 2, 2009 9:14 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
soo wahts up with all the clips turnovers… and the bad 3rd quarter..i just check the boxscore and not surprised…
by Fan of the Game on Nov 2, 2009 9:19 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
if there's one thing i've learned this during the dunleavy era is if the clips get down, its hard for them to come back
by whyamiaclippersfan on Nov 2, 2009 9:21 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I don't know if you can blame that on Dun though
The guys should not come out up by 11 playing like that
by dulciusEXasperis on Nov 2, 2009 9:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
DO WE EVEN WANT TO WIN?! whats wrong with these guys!
Clips' Nation
Eagles!
by Goosebumpz on Nov 2, 2009 9:22 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
They fall to twolves? then i quit watching these clippers
Clips' Nation
Eagles!
by Goosebumpz on Nov 2, 2009 9:23 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
14 points in the quarter compared to their 22
we shot terrible and turned it over far too many times
by dulciusEXasperis on Nov 2, 2009 9:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah I saw, it was more rhetorical
but I guess nothing should really be surprising with this team.
by turs12 on Nov 2, 2009 9:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
clippers leading at end of 3rd
wooot!!
by ItwillbeFATAL on Nov 2, 2009 9:26 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
rasual butler was the clipper killer when he was on the hornets, unfortunately he's still the clipper killer
by whyamiaclippersfan on Nov 2, 2009 9:28 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
thornton is horrible now, can’t shoot anymore
Clips' Nation
Eagles!
by Goosebumpz on Nov 2, 2009 9:28 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
cause he missed a 3?
he never was a 3 point shooter.
Butler much better? 2-10?…..yeah
by dulciusEXasperis on Nov 2, 2009 9:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
How much of a difference is Blake Griffin going to make
if these guys are struggling against an injured inferior team?
by edk3 on Nov 2, 2009 9:30 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Even if he wetn 0-20`
his hustle would make us better. He’d battle for these boards we’re letting them get.
by dulciusEXasperis on Nov 2, 2009 9:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Need our perimeter shots to fall.
Can’t get points in the paint locking us down.
by dulciusEXasperis on Nov 2, 2009 9:31 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
no he can’t make any of his shots lately! okay we’re doing horrible too many turnovers we have to clean this up
Clips' Nation
Eagles!
by Goosebumpz on Nov 2, 2009 9:31 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
minnesota seems like their shot selection is a lot better than ours… were trying too hard or so it seems to get a good shot off!!
Clips' Nation
Eagles!
by Goosebumpz on Nov 2, 2009 9:33 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
if the clips don’t go on a 8 or 10 pt run i have a bad feeling
by whyamiaclippersfan on Nov 2, 2009 9:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Kaman had like what 7-8 boards in the first half
He only has 10 now…gotta keep getting at it.
by dulciusEXasperis on Nov 2, 2009 9:40 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Butters is back lol
Chris still surprised by Barons passes
by dulciusEXasperis on Nov 2, 2009 9:43 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I'll take anything at this point
even if it’s a 1 pt win, just get the win!
by turs12 on Nov 2, 2009 9:43 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
If we lose this game...
Dunleavy better be fired by the time I wake up in the morning.
I've got nothing.
by bc56274 on Nov 2, 2009 9:45 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
ah another TO
BD knock it off. 5 already
by dulciusEXasperis on Nov 2, 2009 9:48 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
LOL Baron Davis holding 2 defenders
http://www.clipperscurse.com/
by ClippersCurse on Nov 2, 2009 9:48 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
bd...looked like an Olineman!
Roger Sterling: To my knees, Don. They're bringing to my knees!"
by Lawler's Law on Nov 2, 2009 9:48 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
could have had a huge lead!
ej took too much time on that shot…he usually flicks that and it goes in!
Roger Sterling: To my knees, Don. They're bringing to my knees!"
by Lawler's Law on Nov 2, 2009 9:49 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
he's missed some easy one's this half.
Yeah way too long. Can’t think about it that long. just let it fly.
by dulciusEXasperis on Nov 2, 2009 9:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
WTF???
Get Thornton out of there!!!! DLeague!! DLeague!!!!
by The Only Team That Matters on Nov 2, 2009 9:50 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
must really not like Thornton
b/c he’s not even out there. Hasn’t been for a while now.
by dulciusEXasperis on Nov 2, 2009 9:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
this is the first game I've watched this season without my Blake Griffin Jersey...
hopin’ to break the slide
by thehalobender on Nov 2, 2009 9:51 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
can't believe that we're holding on...to the WOLVES!!
Roger Sterling: To my knees, Don. They're bringing to my knees!"
by Lawler's Law on Nov 2, 2009 9:53 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
OMG Butler my lord!
Make a f**king shot
by dulciusEXasperis on Nov 2, 2009 9:55 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
oh Comon Butler
http://www.clipperscurse.com/
by ClippersCurse on Nov 2, 2009 9:55 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
where's novak!! he's not even on the active list
by whyamiaclippersfan on Nov 2, 2009 9:55 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
butt hurt from being on the pine for the last 4 games
Roger Sterling: To my knees, Don. They're bringing to my knees!"
by Lawler's Law on Nov 2, 2009 9:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Did I mention that Butler sucks?
Stuck in limbo.
by PaperClip on Nov 2, 2009 9:57 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
clippers are somehow ganna lose this game
by ItwillbeFATAL on Nov 2, 2009 9:58 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
EG hold the ball ur the best ft shooter
now we got Butler shooting.
Redeem yourself Butler
by dulciusEXasperis on Nov 2, 2009 9:58 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
thata boy!
3 point lead. Lord knows we need that.
by dulciusEXasperis on Nov 2, 2009 9:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Lawler's Law...
First to 90, isn’t it?? ;)
by The Only Team That Matters on Nov 2, 2009 9:58 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Butler makes up for it there
a little bit at least
by turs12 on Nov 2, 2009 9:59 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
please winnn…for hte love of the lord……
by Fan of the Game on Nov 2, 2009 9:59 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
and 1...
refs give it to us….
Roger Sterling: To my knees, Don. They're bringing to my knees!"
by Lawler's Law on Nov 2, 2009 10:01 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
1st win of the season!
thank you ref
by ItwillbeFATAL on Nov 2, 2009 10:02 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
beat the
only team more incompetent than us
by turs12 on Nov 2, 2009 10:02 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
f**king barely
my god this team has some shit to work out.
A better team makes those shots when we went cold to push this game out of reach.
by dulciusEXasperis on Nov 2, 2009 10:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
YEAAAHHHHHH!!!!
Primal cathartic screeeeaammm!!!!
by The Only Team That Matters on Nov 2, 2009 10:02 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
finally! if only we beaten the Suns…that loss was painful…
by Fan of the Game on Nov 2, 2009 10:03 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
win
but terrible terrible 2nd half
by ItwillbeFATAL on Nov 2, 2009 10:03 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
terrible 2nd half
but what else is new
by turs12 on Nov 2, 2009 10:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Wow, that crowd really blew, huh?
Totally quiet. Couple of times I forgot they were playing at home.
by The Only Team That Matters on Nov 2, 2009 10:03 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
anticipating the 4th qtr collapse
Roger Sterling: To my knees, Don. They're bringing to my knees!"
by Lawler's Law on Nov 2, 2009 10:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
man...
bummed out that we should have won by 15!
Roger Sterling: To my knees, Don. They're bringing to my knees!"
by Lawler's Law on Nov 2, 2009 10:03 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
can you blame the crowd?
there wasn’t alot to cheer about in the 2nd half
by whyamiaclippersfan on Nov 2, 2009 10:04 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Ha!
Clipper Nation should make like those Laker fan jackasses and set cars on fire just because of our one win.
by The Only Team That Matters on Nov 2, 2009 10:05 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
one clipper win is like a lakers championship every time
by whyamiaclippersfan on Nov 2, 2009 10:06 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
only clippers game
can you get a 7 game series wrapped into one!
by whyamiaclippersfan on Nov 2, 2009 10:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That means we have at least 19 more heartstopping moments per season.
We should put a banner up for this win.
by The Only Team That Matters on Nov 2, 2009 10:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
ahhh that's depressing
but true haha
by dulciusEXasperis on Nov 2, 2009 10:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
ricky davis will be celebrating at the strip club tonight!
by Fan of the Game on Nov 2, 2009 10:07 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Well, at least they’re off to a better start than last season. Nice to finally see a win!
by edk3 on Nov 2, 2009 10:09 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
and the Kings get a win tonight as do the Knicks
only teams without a win are the Pacers, Warriors and Nets.
by dulciusEXasperis on Nov 2, 2009 10:10 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
those crappy teams could still get wins. we better not underestimate them
by Fan of the Game on Nov 2, 2009 10:13 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Raising a toast...
to that monkey that just got off our back…and that elephant that just left the room!
clink!
by The Only Team That Matters on Nov 2, 2009 10:19 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Don't think the team or us as fans can truly call another team sucky lol
This was a horrible game and if we played GSW like this it will be a L. On the other note Butler has most likely taken the starter spot from Thorton which will be a nice change-up. Kaman was MVP of the game and I’m glad he is bringing it this season. Let the squad get some deserved rest and lets kick @$$ on Friday.
by KillaClip on Nov 2, 2009 10:20 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
What were Kaman's stats?
Yeah, he freakin’ brought it! Here’s to 3.0!!!!
Clink!
by The Only Team That Matters on Nov 2, 2009 10:21 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
its funny, we win on a night where statistically we were beaten, but we got the ft edge by a lot today. twolves fans are probably bitching about the refs just like we have been. i dont care ill take it!
by hans007 on Nov 2, 2009 10:22 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
how come butler took more shots than gordan?
by Fan of the Game on Nov 2, 2009 10:27 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Rockets and Suns keep racking up W's
Clipps have to catch up to the Rockets who are a perfect example of a team we should be they fight through major injuries and roster change and still find ways to win.
by KillaClip on Nov 2, 2009 10:42 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
has anybody seen the Rockets play? They are beating some tough teams…somehow..someway…
by Fan of the Game on Nov 2, 2009 11:21 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Trade Dunleavy for Adelman!
'Cause how you play, is how you'll be remembered. PLAY LOUD!
by CLiPPz WeRD 12 on Nov 2, 2009 11:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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