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I can dream...but wouldn't it be nice to hire Byron Scott?

I honestly don't blame him for any issues that may or have plagued the Hornets that led to his dismissal. The guy is a legitimate coach that had little to work with. Aside from CP3 he had no real talent on his roster and the Hornets I believe have always been an overachieving team when it came to their record. Conversely, the Clippers need to stop underachieving. Why not just let MD be the GM, remove him as coach, and let Scott take over?Well, I can dream can't I? :)


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I will Pass, he is to Lakered up for me.

Everything starts out New, Gets Old and Dies or is Destroyed.

by HVYDRT007 on Nov 12, 2009 11:22 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

and Dunleavy isn't?

I mean he did coach the Lakers afterall..

by JackduhSun on Nov 12, 2009 9:29 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Oh and its lets not forget

that I think Kareem once tried to help Olowankandi…

by JackduhSun on Nov 12, 2009 9:29 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Going from the Bad to the Bad est is not an Upgrade and I am talking about Bad meaning Bad not Good..

I was once a Fan of CMDSr and he was Skating on thin Ice but the ice has since broken after this seasons start.

I like GMMDSr. but why would he hire an Overrated BScott?
It wont happen and also did you see how pathetic BScott looked against the Lakers the other day kneeling down so he did not block Jack Nickel"Lakers Kiss ASS"sons view. OH……..how sweet of him.

Everything starts out New, Gets Old and Dies or is Destroyed.

by HVYDRT007 on Nov 13, 2009 10:22 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

+1

Everything starts out New, Gets Old and Dies or is Destroyed.

by HVYDRT007 on Nov 13, 2009 10:22 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

was about to post this comment but you beat me to it...

I would do that in a heartbeat if Byron is available. Dunleavy being GM and Scott being coach would make sense to me. Probably less pressure for Dunleavy.

And what’s the deal with “oh, he’s too Lakered up for me”? First off, Byron was drafted by the Clips and its not Byron’s fault he was traded to the Lakers and succeeded there. Second, look at the Angels BEFORE Scioscia and AFTER Scioscia. Third, who cares? Byron has proven to be a winner and we need a winner for a coach or leader. His credentials speak for itself, not its past allegiance.

With that said, I will only make this transition if it makes sense to the team. I mean, it makes sense to me, but not necessarily for the team. Changing coaches mid-season is a lot tougher. Its not really an issue for rebuilding teams with no talent, but I think Clips have enough talent to go to the playoffs. You have to change game plans, establish chemistry, trust, etc.

by clipFanInSD on Nov 12, 2009 11:45 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Great points

esp regarding Scioscia-Dodgers and Byron Scott being drafted by the Clippers.

by JackduhSun on Nov 12, 2009 9:30 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

What is Baseball? Is that another Sport?

Is it like that kind of Football that you don’t use your hands?

Everything starts out New, Gets Old and Dies or is Destroyed.

by HVYDRT007 on Nov 13, 2009 10:25 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I think he's overrated...

J-Kidd and CP3 are the reasons for ‘his’ success.

'Cause how you play, is how you'll be remembered. PLAY LOUD!

by CLiPPz WeRD 12 on Nov 12, 2009 11:56 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

so you think...

Baron Davis won’t make him a success either? Or an Eric Gordon? Good coaches bring out the best of his players, and if Scott can do so for J-Kidd or CP3 why not budding stars like Gordon, heck even Thornton?

by clipFanInSD on Nov 12, 2009 11:59 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

+1

Everything starts out New, Gets Old and Dies or is Destroyed.

by HVYDRT007 on Nov 13, 2009 10:25 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

You mean the guy who clashed with Baron last time?

That ended with him getting sent to GSW for 10 cents on the dollar?

This doesn’t make a lick of sense.

by John R on Nov 12, 2009 11:59 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

so ironic....

you guys want to hear Dunleavy fired but when a respectable coach comes around for a possible replacement, you guys say “no thanks”. Who do you guys want instead? Bill Fitch? Alvin Gentry? Jim Todd? Bob Weiss? Tim Floyd? Rick Pitino? Larry Brown?

I’m not one to want Dunleavy fired. Despite all the losses, I think Dunleavy is a good fit for this team (can you name any Clipper coach who can withstand all the losses, continue to have faith in the team, and not quit?). All I’m saying is IF DUNLEAVY so chooses (or we choose) to have a new coach and have Dunleavy be full time GM, why not Byron?

by clipFanInSD on Nov 12, 2009 12:14 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

***typo...

I meant “you guys want to see Dunleavy fired”, not hear, :)

by clipFanInSD on Nov 12, 2009 12:15 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

He hasn't quit

because deep down he knows he’s a horrible coach and would be lucky to be hired anywhere else.

by Dunleavy is an Idiot on Nov 12, 2009 1:00 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Not a bad choice, if he still have it

And by it I dont mean the brains I mean the guts. He fled those Lakers.

by John R on Nov 12, 2009 1:44 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

he retired supposedly because of his heart condition

plus I think he’s too old to coach anyway….

I guess we’re stuck with Dunleavy, but I will NOT hesitate to bring Byron Scott if he’s available and chooses to come to LA. We need that winning spirit on this team, and he’s proven to be a winner during his Laker days and his coach of the year award back when he coached the Hornets to 56 wins.

by clipFanInSD on Nov 12, 2009 2:17 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I like Larry Brown

and when he was able to coach us into the playoffs.

by JackduhSun on Nov 12, 2009 9:32 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Same record as our team, yet our horrendous coach gets to stay.

If Elton Baylor got to stick around for 22 years, I’m pretty sure we are going to be stuck with Dunleavy for a good while.

Sell the team, Sterling. Enough already.

I've got nothing.

by bc56274 on Nov 12, 2009 12:19 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

If this continues we need a change

I’m tired of Dunleavy using injuries as an excuse. If i’m Dunleavy the first thing i have this
group do is shoot free throws all day in the gym until everyone hits at least 75%. The
next thing i would stress is 4th quarter offensive. He is doing the same play over and
over and the defenses are adjusting. Mix it up and design some pick n roll plays or
more screen plays until you have an open shooter.
 O and by the way clipfanin SD you should not include Larry Brown on the list because
he was the most successfull coach the clippers have had. When was the last time
any of those other coaches take the clippers to the playoffs back to back. He did it
with less talent than Dunleavy has now. So no more excuses. Bring in Scott and mix
it up.

by ENCUEROMAN on Nov 12, 2009 12:31 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Actually the point I'm trying to make was....

Larry Brown quit on the Clippers but Dunleavy didn’t. Also, if we go straight to technicalities or numbers alone, Dunleavy is more successful than Larry Brown. Someone correct me here but did Brown bring the Clips out of the first round of the playoffs?

Also, note Pitino or Floyd never coached the Clips. The point there is that they had good “reputation” as a great college coach but unproven in the NBA, and look what happened to them.

Byron Scott is proven. With CP3 he lead that team to 56 wins. 56 WINS! So if some Clip fans don’t want him as a “possible” coach, then who do we want? Good coaches don’t grow on trees…

by clipFanInSD on Nov 12, 2009 1:04 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

bd and Scott were at odds

when both were on the Hornets! duh!

Roger Sterling: To my knees, Don. They're bringing to my knees!"

by Lawler's Law on Nov 12, 2009 1:00 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Kobe and Phil were at odds at one point....

…when Phil released the book criticizing Kobe. I would hope those two have grown up to be more mature now given the fact that once they parted they’ve both become successful. Besides, I personally don’t think the Clips is BD’s team; he hasn’t shown yet that he can lead unlike what CP3 has done with the Hornets. But who knows, maybe Scott could bring this out of him second time around…

Anyway, going back to my point, if y’all don’t want Scoot and y’all want Dunleavy fired, who do you want instead? And keep in mind, just because a coach is available doesn’t mean they would want to sign with the Clips, unless they overpay him. I think Byron would have incentive to go to Clips though just because he has the LA connection and he’s coming from the same Western Conference.

by clipFanInSD on Nov 12, 2009 1:08 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Frankly I'm tired of all the Dunleavy haters....

You guys want to fire him, then find someone who can replace him and see how easy it is. You think ANY coach you wish will come over to the Clips and all of a sudden turn this team around? Its so easy to put the blame on the coach when the last two games the Clips have played are so winnable games that it was more of a lack of execution of the players rather than the Coach coaching. If kaman didn’t make that bad pass, who’s to say he could’ve just shot the ball, perhaps get fouled, and get to the free-throw? Maybe this team needs some mental toughness, and if Dunleavy can’t deliver that, then who’s available out there who think they can (or even willing enough to coach them?)

I actually starting to admire Dunleavy for having this much patience….

by clipFanInSD on Nov 12, 2009 1:13 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

You have no argument...

Only sentiment…either you are related to Dumbo or you need to put the kool-aid down because you are not making any points in defense of the worst HC in the NBA

by Dow Jones on Nov 12, 2009 10:57 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

then suggest a coach who is WILLING to coach this team

Ever thought that maybe the coach isn’t a problem but the team itself?

The owner, the players, the logo, the mystique, or lack thereof…? How many coach changes have we had and in those coaches how many have been just as “successful” (note the quotes) as Dunleavy?

Its easy to blame to coach. But who’s the last coach who actually lasted this long BECAUSE HE WANTS to for a sorry team like the Clips. No one is gonna want to coach the Clips. Maybe he’s sticking around for money until Sterling fires him, but cmon, if you want to fire Dunleavy, then give a suggestion. I personally want Scott but apparently you guys want an equally loser like John Lucas.

by clipFanInSD on Nov 14, 2009 6:58 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe he's sticking it out with Clippers

because nobody else in the league doesn’t want Dunleavy. Sadly, as madgloves states, we’re probably one of the few only teams that can drop 19 wins a season and NOT get our team fired. As much as you defend Dunleavy, theres probably MANY MANY other negative reason to it.

As for the team being a problem itself, yes, why not. But isn’t it the coaches duties to coach the team to a winning squad? Baron, Camby, Kaman, Gordon, Thornton and Blake sounds like a pretty reasonable squad (but of course minus Blake so far.) Now who do you blame for the last few losses we have accumulated? The players? At some point, you have to put the blame on Dunleavy because he kepted his starters WAY too long int he third and then over did it at the beginning of the fourth. Doesnt make sense when you leave Baron in for practically all of the third and start the fourth.

As for having the most successful season, compare his ONE winning season to his other 5 (and possibly six) losing seasons, NOT to mention his 19 win season with the Clippers. Great he took Lakers and Portland to the finals, but we’re talking about the Clippers. One 47 win season doesn’t make him a good coach.

If we want to fire Dunleavy, I’m sure there are MANY capable coaches or even POTENTIAL coaches (IE assistant coaches and even ex-basketball players) that are capable of 3-7 record, such as (and not saying there any different from Dunleavy [such as arrogant, control freak, etc etc) Byron, Avery J, and since I mentioned a potential coach, why not Lucas, or even Sam Cassel.

by JackduhSun on Nov 14, 2009 10:12 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I like byron but the coach we need is right there on our bench already, john lucas, he has the respect of the players and baron and i guarantee if we let him take over this team we gain new life. we need someone to put a fire under our team. To get humiliated at home against the hornets and then come out with no energy or effort against OKC, who by the way played awful as well, and lose on your home court is pathetic. we are 2-4 at home and we havent even played top notch competition yet. I mean dallas and phx r good but we didnt know how good they were when we faced them and we should won at least 1 of those games

by cliprboy on Nov 12, 2009 1:45 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

I was about to suggest that but....

stopped short when I checked out John Lucas track coaching record…its really not that good. In my opinion sometimes he gets so fired up, gets so emotional that usually that becomes detrimental when a critical play comes down to the very last seconds of the game, or even down the stretch. I like a coach who would be more tempermantal (sp?) under those situations (I still remember that playoff game between the Pacers and the Bulls I believe when Larry Bird was the coach, and how even-keeled he was…..Miller shot that buzzer-beater three and while everyone on the bench jumped out in excitement, Bird has this stoic reaction like “just the way I planned it. not surprising to me”).

I’d probably want a coach who emphasizes defense more….maybe a Maurice Cheeks, but also like to get up and down the court. But it really depends on the makeup and the personnel of the team. If a team is not built to run why bring a coach who is a running-game kind of coach, and vice versa if a team is built for low-post, etc…

I don’t know what to make of this team yet. They have the skills to go up and down, but falters on defense. Defense wins the game down the stretch, and of course execution.

by clipFanInSD on Nov 12, 2009 2:14 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

good point

that he has the respect of our players.
if that’s true (i’m not doubting) then that’s a pretty good place to start.
a lot of the guys on the team tuned out dunleavy last year, i feel like it’s just a matter of time before they tune him out this year.

by baron davis' beard on Nov 12, 2009 4:50 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Seriously?

Why would this team want anything to do with a coach that has been to the NBA Finals twice, was Coach of the Year two seasons ago, and is the heir apparent to Phil Jackson across the hall? Just ask yourselves this: Would Scott get more out of this team than Dunleavy is getting? Based on the head-to-head matchup we saw a few nights ago, I don’t see how the answer is anything other than “yes”.

by turs12 on Nov 12, 2009 3:31 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Yup...

+1

Dunleavy is so unbelievably terrible at his job its not even worth saying anymore. Anyone that cant see it by now is either blind or knows nothing about basketball.

by Dow Jones on Nov 12, 2009 11:00 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

CMDSr. did those things too

Everything starts out New, Gets Old and Dies or is Destroyed.

by HVYDRT007 on Nov 13, 2009 10:28 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

byron scott would be nice except for the fact that...

…we got baron. at least baron seems motivated and past his beef with dunleavy this season. if we got byron scott, baron would spend the whole season out with another “bruised tailbone”

lucas would make the perfect head coach for us.

by jon y on Nov 12, 2009 3:38 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

yeah, they did butt heads

but maybe they’ve both grown up?
baron’s seemed to found a new outlook this past summer.
i think they’ve both been humbled.

by baron davis' beard on Nov 12, 2009 3:45 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe

Weird for a Clipper fan to bet on the most optimistic outcome of a maybe though.

by John R on Nov 12, 2009 3:57 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

haha

i don’t think i’d put money on it. i just said there’s a chance.

by baron davis' beard on Nov 12, 2009 4:15 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Rather have John Lucas than Byron Scott.

Forgot who mentioned it earlier, but Scott’s success has indeed been heavily predicated on the prowess of his point guards. This is now the second time a team has tuned him out. People can point to this year’s team lacking talent, but a squad that gets beat by 50+ at home in the play-offs (with plenty of talent, by the way) doesn’t bode well.

In NO, Byron also commented on how player’s sit out for the longest time with unneccesary injuries (something about Baron and a hangnail). While arguably not untrue, I don’t see this working out.

The best, and easiest option, is John Lucas. Someone else mentioned his coaching record sucks, but even Phil Jackson wouldn’t win 25 with the pre-LeBron Cavs. If not spectacular, he was at least solid with the Spurs.

by Gordon for President on Nov 12, 2009 4:30 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

How would Phil Jackson do

in the pre Blake Griffin Clippers?

by Michael White on Nov 12, 2009 4:37 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Someone else mentioned his coaching record sucks, but even Phil Jackson wouldn’t win 25 with the pre-LeBron Cavs

by Michael White on Nov 12, 2009 5:07 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I believe I'm the one who made some of the comments :)

I want to hear the reasoning why John Lucas would be a better coach for the clips over Dunleavy or Byron Scott? Lucas seems to be a great guy, but he hasn’t shown he can coach in the NBA…maybe a stint as an assistant will help him, but that will take time to relearn the craft, I guess.

“Scott’s success has indeed been heavily predicated on the prowess of his point guards”. Sounds to me you don’t have faith in Baron Davis. Sure, they have their issues in the past, but so did Davis+Dunleavy and they’re trying to work it out. Davis I’m hoping is mature enough. I think he’s learned his lesson this past season that moping around isn’t gonna bring a team to be a winner.

The Clips already has the talent. Its just a matter of putting the right chemistry together. John Lucas is no guarantee; he can probably get them to play along together, but Lucas hasn’t shown he can coach when it comes to the crunch, when it comes to games that count. He seems like a great motivator, but that won’t help you strategize critical plays down the stretch.

by clipFanInSD on Nov 12, 2009 5:04 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

well...

then the clips should just blow everyone out, so there is no crunch time.
problem solved. heh heh

by baron davis' beard on Nov 12, 2009 5:10 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

The best, and easiest option, is John Lucas. Someone else mentioned his coaching record sucks, but even Phil Jackson wouldn’t win 25 with the pre-LeBron Cavs. If not spectacular, he was at least solid with the Spurs.

Well, last I check there isn’t a Lebron James in the clippers either. Who’s to say Lucas won’t repeat the same coaching habits with the Clips?

by clipFanInSD on Nov 12, 2009 5:12 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

And no...

I wouldn’t put Blake on the same pedestal as Lebron just yet…. :)

by clipFanInSD on Nov 12, 2009 5:13 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

good point

but i think the argument can be made that there is more talent on our roster, than the pre lebrons

by baron davis' beard on Nov 12, 2009 5:14 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

except....

they’re all injured….

yes there’s that injury excuse again…..but it is what it is. I think this team will be a REALLY GOOD team if all the personnel and healthy and intact. Heck if that’s the case, ANYONE can coach this team to at least a winning record or better…. :)

Dunleavy hasn’t had a full, healthy team to coach. So I wouldn’t give up on him easily. When he led this team deep into the playoffs, most of his roster are full and healthy. He hasn’t had one the past 3 seasons!

by clipFanInSD on Nov 12, 2009 5:18 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Objectively, which team is more talented? The one we have now? Or the Cavalier team that featured Ricky Buckets as their leading scorer, DeJuan Wagner at the point, a rookie Carlos Boozer, and a constantly injured Ilgauskas?

by Gordon for President on Nov 12, 2009 6:25 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

“Sounds to me you don’t have faith in Baron Davis.” Can you honestly blame me? The BD we have now is a FAR cry from the Jason Kidd that led the Nets to back to back Finals appearances, and Chris Paul? Nuff said. By all of our accounts, the future of this team is EJ and BG.

That being said, like I mentioned, John Lucas had success with the David Robinson led Spurs, making it to the playoffs before being fired for losing in the first round. Dude has been around the game for decades, and I’d have to believe because he has the respect of the players, more on the court can be left for Baron to do what he does best: improvise.

“but Lucas hasn’t shown he can coach when it comes to the crunch, when it comes to games that count.”

Has Dunleavy? For that matter, has Byron? He was swept by the Lakers, and beaten handily by the Spurs. In 2007-2008, the Hornets had the Spurs number, but by pulling Pargo he handed Game 7 to them.

I’d go with Lucas, at least for this season.

by Gordon for President on Nov 12, 2009 6:20 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Lucas is not ready to coach this team...

With all respect, Dunleavy or Byron has a better overall record and track record than Lucas. Lucas last coached a “successful” spurs over 15 years ago. There’s a reason why not too many teams are flocking to hire him, and there’s a reason why he didn’t stay that long in the Cavs. If he’s such a player’s coach and a motivator, why wasn’t he able to do that with the Cavs?

No disrespect to Lucas, but he’s BY FAR not better than Dunleavy or Byron. This team doesn’t need a player coach, they need a coach that will kick their butt if they’re not doing their job….someone who’ll teach them to respect the game and take pride on their game, show them how they SUCK in the fourth quarter and the only way to get respect is to play hard the entire game.

by clipFanInSD on Nov 12, 2009 9:34 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

yeah, health is a factor

but i think you hit the nail on the head when you said that “anyone can coach this team to at least a winning record”
that’s what we’re all hoping for. that an average joe coach can take this team to .500 or beyond.

maybe we always have injuries cause coach runs our players into the ground. or maybe they’re just freak accidents like livingston.

i think it’s just a matter of motivation and getting the clips into the winner’s mentality.

by baron davis' beard on Nov 12, 2009 5:25 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

or maybe they're just cursed :)

personally, the only way to lift this curse is to abolish everything associated from the Clippers past….the past where all the bad stuff has put this team to the ground…

and that means…

we need a new NAME (look at the Tampa Bay Rays), new uniform/look (look at the Angels), new owner, and heck maybe new location! Injuries are beyond the coach’s control.

Maybe the Clips should hire a new strength and conditioning coach (not new trainer), someone who’ll teach them yoga so they can stretch their groins and hammys or what not so it can tolerate the little bumps and bruises that accompanies this team.

by clipFanInSD on Nov 12, 2009 5:34 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

yeah

they definitely need a new mentality, something to disassociate themselves with the old clippers. and all that would help with that, i don’t know if it’s necessary.
i do agree with a new strength and conditioning coach though.

by baron davis' beard on Nov 12, 2009 6:23 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

How Can Anyone Not Want Him Fired

Look at his record. Look at the 4th quarters. Look at the lack of improvement in players.
The only good thing about Livingston’s awful injury is that the Clippers didn’t give him a 50 million plus deal when he still couldn’t score. One playoff year where his Daniel Ewing subsitution costs the tean their only chance ever for for a championship(Dallas would have beat them but they had a shot). Don Nelson sucks buts at least he finds gems like Morrow and Azubuke for free. The only Clippers with real future value are Kaman, Gordon and Griffin and the Dunce got lucky to get Griffin.
Who, outside of Kevin McHale and Isiah could be worse?

by ragman on Nov 12, 2009 6:38 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

It would be nice to hire Byron Scott...

though then we will have to put Baron on suicide watch. Or watch Byron’s movements closely if Baron should mysteriously disappear, or gone to Europe or Tibet forever without informing anyone.

by MichaelCage on Nov 14, 2009 12:45 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

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