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Clippers 104 - Detroit 96: The Rollercoaster Continues

If there is a pattern so far in this disconcerting Clippers campaign; it's that the team has found ways to bounce back after soul crushing losses.  In a perverse sense, the players and coaches deserve some credit for not throwing in the towel and pointing fingers at one another (like in Golden State and Washington).  After the inexcusable loss to a depleted Indiana squad on Wednesday, you get the sense that the team was flat on the mat once again, and a loss tonight against the tiny-toon version of the Detroit Pistons would mean the psychological death of this Clippers squad.  A dejected Dunleavy described Wednesday's loss as "horrible,"  Ralph called it "devastating," and Smith said it was "unacceptable" for the Clippers to lose both games on this road trip.

So with their back to the wall; the Clippers found a way to win against a clearly depleted Pistons team.  But it was a hard fought victory, much closer than it needed to be, despite the fact that the Clippers played relatively well on the offensive end and limited their turnovers.  Defensively, the Clippers allowed another unknown NBA scrub to torch them.  Well, our sole Swedish Clippers fan can enlighten us on the wonders of Jonas Jerebko.  But I, for one, have never heard of the kid who torched us for a career high 22 points on 8-11 shooting. 

More than the blown rotations and our weak perimter defense, however, this game was nearly lost on the defensive glass.  We gave up 19 offensive rebounds to Detroit, most of them to a hustling Ben Wallace.  Maxiell also came up with some big rebounds against our wings.  The fatal flaw of this Clippers squad that some of us have been worrying about since the summer are now coming to fruition: the inability of our wing players to get boards.  Eric, Sebastian, and Baron are a bit too small to grab crucial rebounds, and both Rasual and Thornton are below average rebounders for their position.  Al is doing a better job on the offensive glass, but now he needs to step up on the defensive end for this team to have a chance.  Luckily for us, Ben Gordon, Tayshaun, and Rip were all out, so even when they got three offensive boards to extend a possession, they were not able to cash them in consistently.  We escaped with a win tonight in spite of ourselves.  The plane ride back to LA won't be as morose.  But you get the feeling that this team is still standing on a ledge, on the verge of falling.

Star-divide

The first quarter started out well, particularly when Kaman made a very nice reverse left handed layup.  When Kaman makes those shots, you get the feeling that Mr Flippy has been banished for the night.  Baron continues his strong play from Indiana, and the two man game of Baron and Kaman carried us in the early going.  On the bad side of the ledger, Rasual Butler tried to back down his defender on the low post and clanged up an ugly turn around jumper then forced another three pointer early.  Al also settled for some early jumpers that were off the mark.  Perhaps sensing desperation from Butler and Al, Dunleavy subbed in Eric and Novak at the three minute mark of the first.  Eric is clearly rusty, his usual dependable jumpers slightly off.  But he's better than Rasual at reading the floor and was able to take the ball hard to the hoop and draw some fouls on Stuckey.  Near the end of the 1st quarter, however, Detroit starts to assert themselves on the offensive glass, and after three straight offensive boards, Baron committed a frustration foul.  Right before the end of the quarter though, Eric made a great drive to the hoop and after drawing the defenders to him, kicked the ball out to Kaman for an open baseling jumper to tie the ballgame.

The second quarter started out well with a great alley oop from Sebastian to Al.  Then Al went back to his strength.  He used his athleticism and explosive first step to get to the hoop and get to the free throw line.  With Al establishing his slashing game, the Clippers eked out a 39-36 lead.  After that, things fell apart.  It fell apart when Detroit defenders step back from Al and dared him to shoot a 20 footer.  He obliged and missed twice in a row.  Detroit goes up 43-39 on the strength of Stuckey, Bynum, and Wallace's hustle.  Baron goes one on one and kept us in the ball game.  On one sequence, Baron poked the ball away, Eric scrambles for the loose ball and somehow taps the ball to a streaking Baron for a layup.  It was good to see Baron smiling and commending Eric on a great play, as you get the sense that Baron isn't overly fond of Eric.  In the ensuing posession, he tries to pay back Eric by giving him the ball on a break but Eric lost the ball as he went up.  From that point on until half time, Baron looked to pass to Kaman in the low post almost exclusively.  This killed our offense rhythm as we became predictable and our offense bogged down:  Kaman backs down his defender and turns the ball over on one posession, or kicked it back out to Baron on another, only to have Baron force up a bad three pointer with the clock expiring.  Detroit outscored us 27-20 in the second and took a 7 point lead into halftime.

The Clippers open the third quarter strong and came out focused.  Maybe it was one of those come to Jesus moment in the locker room or maybe it was because they had some professional pride and couldn't tolerate losing to a team that started Austin Daye and Jonas Jerebko.  After closing to 56-58, Baron came down with the ball on a crucial posession.  He passed the ball to Butler on the wing, and Rasual Butler once again singlemindedly tried to assert his low post game by backing down his defender and forcing up an awkward looking turnaround jumper.  It was not close.  One thing you can say about Rasual Butler is that he isn't Quentin Ross.  He isn't afraid to shoot and he's also not half the defender that Q Ross was.  That became clear as Stuckey left him in the dust and Detroit took a 56-62 lead.  Baron came down to hit a 3 to pull us back to 59-62.  Detroit comes up empty and once again Rasual tried to assert himself as the big shot guy for the team.  He missed a spot up 3.  On the other end, Stuckey used a good pick by Wallace to pick off both Kaman and Butler for a 59-64 lead.  Baron responds on the other end; 61-64.  But once again, Stuckey beats Rasual off the edge and drew the foul.  At this point, Dunleavy brought in Eric to cover Stuckey and moved Rasual to Austin Daye.  Whether by design or accident, Detroit immediately found Daye along the baseline and drew another foul from Butler.

At this point, the game can go either way.  Baron and Kaman have played well offensively and Eric and Al have played well in spurts.  Despite shooting over 55% to Detroit's 40% the game is close.  Ben Wallace's energy has been huge.  He out hustles Kaman and our team to every loose ball and Detroit has grabbed 15 offensive rebounds on us by the third.  We finished the third quarter on a gift goal tending and foul call on a quick drive by Eric but the officials gave Detroit a makeup call on the other end on a phantom foul by Craig Smith on Chucky Atkins.  Detroit finished the quarter holding a 74-75 lead.

The Fox Sports broadcast went down at the end of the third quarter and for most of the game.  Perhaps everything in Detroit is falling apart.  From the radio, I was able to gather that Al started to establish his slash game once again.  He got hot and got himself to the free throw line.  This helps his confidence and even when he settles for his mid range jumpers, they go in.  Eric drove the lane and drew two free throws on Villanueva, then Al hits an open 15 footer.  But the pride of Sweden Jonas Jerebko kept Detroit in the ball game.  He matches Al shot for shot.  Jerebko scores inside and gets foul.  Jerebko steps back and hits a 3 pointer to keep Detroit on top; 86-87.  Al answers with a 17 footer to put the Clippers back on top 88-87.  Though it would be close the rest of the way, Jerebko was unable to pull Detroit ahead after that.  Jerebko would lead Detroit with 22 points.  Baron would finish with 25 on 6-9 shooting.  Kaman would finish with 26 on an astounding 11-13 shooting, but with only 7 rebounds.  After a shaky start, Al finished with 19 points on 8-12 shooting.  On this night, perhaps the worst shooters were Eric and Rasual, but Eric was able to get to the free throw line and finished with a respectable 14 points with 4 rebounds and 4 asissts.  As a team, the Clippers shot a remarkable .587 pecentage to Detroit's .396.  That the game came down to the final minute is testimony to Detroit's hustle; the ageless play of Ben Wallace, and our almost fatal inability to get defensive boards.

As the month of November draws to a close, the Clippers are still alive despite many near death experiences.  The optimists will say that if you take out our first four games against playoff caliber teams, the Clippers have played .500 ball without Blake Griffin.  But the pessimists can also say that we have played .500 ball against some of the worst and most injury depleted teams in the league.  The Clippers needed to finish with a sizable cushion early in the season because those games agains the Lakers, Celtics, Orlando and the elite teams of the NBA loom on the horizon.  But this team has been given up for dead against Denver as well and they surprised everyone.  When it looked as if we would somehow find a way to lose to this Detroit team after being down by 7 at half time, they came back and squeezed out a victory.  So where they go from here, nobody knows.

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Fantastic recap

Well structured narrative, and you even went radio when the signal cut off. Well done.

The kids aren't alright.

by OhMeOhMy on Nov 27, 2009 10:22 PM PST reply actions  

Thanks man,

I like to watch the games and try to pick out sequences that determine the flow and ultimate outcome of games. The boxscore can tell one story, but the matchup of players and their dominance/ineffectiveness in certain situations can tell another story. We could have lost this game in the third when Stuckey started torching Rasual, but Baron kept us in the ball game for once. Then in the fourth, the Al vs Jerebko duel was something to behold. Who would have thunk that? Bird vs Dr J eat your heart out. Maybe we can suggest they make an Al vs Jerebko game for the XBOX.

by MichaelCage on Nov 27, 2009 10:57 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't understand why people perceive a Baron-EJ rift.

I suppose it’s been based on the idea that EJ takes shots from Baron, and Baron has been working to limit EJ’s touches since day one. I never thought this was the case, as he co-existed perfectly fine (and even thrived) with Monta Ellis, a very similar player to Eric, sans defense of course.

"Buckle your seat belts, folks. This one's doing down to the wire." -The inimitable Ralph Lawler.

by Gordon for President on Nov 28, 2009 12:58 PM PST up reply actions  

I've never perceived a rift either

If anything, Baron may sometimes get after EJ in the way that veterans often do to the young guys. But that’s called “mentoring,” not “disliking.” I don’t think we should read too much into any occasional scowl.

by SilverClip on Nov 28, 2009 2:46 PM PST up reply actions  

We really need to improve our

defensive rebounding… Camby has been there all season long but other guys need to step it up and help with the boards.
there’s other stuff we can improve but our defensive rebounding really scares me…
having BG will help. when is he expected to play?

Angels 2009 WS Champs

by dan73962 on Nov 27, 2009 10:50 PM PST reply actions  

Yeah I agree...

I think this had come up during the summer when we first got Sebastian, Craig Smith, and Rasual. My concern then was that we got alot of good one dimensional pieces with weaknesses and flaws in their game, which is to be expected, as we got them for essentially free. That and our diminutive backcourt would get outrebounded every game. Al and Rasual are weak rebounders, though Al has the tools to be a decent one. Having BG on the court will help, if he plays at the 3. But most likely, he will replace Camby in the lineup, so my guess is we will still give up alot of offensive boards unless we get better at blocking out.

One thing about the new Kaman is that though his offensive repertoire is much improved, his reaction time on rebounds remain atrocious. Some guys like Rodman, Millsap, and even Dejuan Blair have good instincts for the ball when it goes up. Kaman does not, never will have, and now that he is the primary scoring option, even less attentive to grabbing the loose ball. Kaman proved that an old Big Ben couldnt’ stop him defensively tonight, but he couldn’t win the rebounding battle against the much smaller, much older man.

by MichaelCage on Nov 27, 2009 11:08 PM PST up reply actions  

Kaman and rebounding...

I don’t agree that Kaman does not have good instincts for rebounding. In fact, there was a time when he was among the very best defensive rebounders in the game (he was never a great offensive rebounder). His rebounding numbers are at career low per minute levels this season, owing I think to his focus on offense. I don’t really see why he can’t do both – but he certainly has to get better on the defensive glass. That’s twice in recent memories that his assignment has gotten more offensive rebounds than he has gotten defensive rebounds. There’s no excuse for that.

In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd

by Steve Perrin on Nov 28, 2009 2:56 PM PST up reply actions  

In all fairness...

Big Ben has been enjoying a rebounding resurgence this entire season. Yes, Kaman needs to step up (zero rebounds in the fourth!), but this has a lot to do with Wallace regaining some relevance.

"Buckle your seat belts, folks. This one's doing down to the wire." -The inimitable Ralph Lawler.

by Gordon for President on Nov 28, 2009 4:15 PM PST up reply actions  

This is true...

Kaman has been a much better rebounder in the past and alot of that had to do with his positioning in the paint. My comment on Kaman’s lack of rebounding instincts come from his reaction time when the ball goes up or caroom off the board. Kaman will get the rebound if the ball bounces near him, though at times, his reaction time will be a bit off and he will just tip or fumble the ball away. What you don’t see Kaman do is read the trajectory of the ball in the air and instinctively manuever himself into the perfect spot for a rebound. Olajuwon was a master at this, same with the Chuckster and Rodman. Of the current players, Millsap has the rebounding instinct. Camby has it as well, though he relies more on his length. For the record, Big Ben always had it too. And last night, he still showed that he has it.

by MichaelCage on Nov 28, 2009 4:36 PM PST up reply actions  

THANKS AGAIN MICHAEL CAGE!!!!!

THANKS AGAIN MICHAEL CAGE FOR HOOKING UP CLIPPER NATION WITH A CONCLUSIVE WRAP-UP. I APPRECIATE DIFFERENT PEOPLE STEPPING UP IN THE ABSENCE OF STEVE AND I DO APPRECIATE YOUR EFFORT AND TIME YOU PUT INTO IT! THANK YOU FOR EVERYTHING! – A HAPPY CITIZEN

by In GrIfFin We TrUsT on Nov 28, 2009 2:38 AM PST reply actions  

Great write up. Thanks. Hard to say much about the win though with the
problems in the 4th. No doubt they should have beaten a majorly depleted Pistons. team.

by eastie Rich on Nov 28, 2009 10:50 AM PST reply actions  

back in the citizenry after a tryptophan induced coma

good write up MC!

According to the LAT tv outage was due to a fire in the production truck not due to a power outage in the arena…another reason for espn/broadcasters to say “it’s the clippers.” I hope all citizens and including CS had a great Thanksgiving!

Roger Sterling: To my knees, Don. They're bringing to my knees!"

by Lawler's Law on Nov 28, 2009 11:22 AM PST reply actions  

Good Job!

Especially since we lost the TV feed.

It was good to see Baron smiling and commending Eric on a great play, as you get the sense that Baron isn’t overly fond of Eric.

I never got that sense before. Did something happen between them that was/wasn’t reported? Or did you see something that some of us missed? Just curious.

From what I’ve seen EJ seems like a bit of a loner. I don’t think ANY of the other players have been quoted as being “overly fond” of him in general. He seems like he might be a little awkward socially but I don’t think I’ve heard anything where anyone else on the team doesn’t like him.

Maybe he’s got a bit of that Kobe type personality, when he was young? Talented lone wolf?

I can only guess, never met the kid.

by moKi on Nov 28, 2009 12:05 PM PST reply actions  

Yeah I think they probably get along pretty well

especially since when EJ is scoring it makes Barons job easier as he doesn’t have to try and carry the team (like he attempted in Indiana).

In Gordon we trust

by bestclipfan on Nov 28, 2009 1:26 PM PST up reply actions  

I watched a lot of Warrior games back with Ellis and Davis and they played awsome together, I have no idea why anyone would say Baron isnt ‘fond’ of EJ. Once EJ get healthy and if Baron keeps up this form it will be a scary team.
Ohh and Baron did carry the team against Indiana but its hard to carry a team that played so badly. If your team mates are playing that badly, even Lebrons going to have trouble.

by Sam50 on Nov 28, 2009 4:18 PM PST up reply actions  

ej is just shy

i know a few people who met him in high school and college, and they all say that he’s pretty soft spoken and shy.

by baron davis' beard on Nov 29, 2009 8:12 AM PST up reply actions  

Thanks, MC

I had to miss the game, but your account here is descriptive and helpful.

Even if there’s a TV replay of this one, I don’t think I can stand watching us get so out-rebounded. I have to think that when Griffin’s back, we won’t continue to have such troubles on the defensive glass. I wouldn’t mind giving him minutes at SF just for the sake of shoring up our rebounding woes.

This said, I’m glad AT had a good game shooting last night, and I agree that he ought to be able to step it up on defensive rebounding. — It seems like every game, a few key elements somehow misfire for the Clips. We may be an eight cylinder machine, but we’ve been making due, sputtering along with just four or five every night. I’m waiting for the moment we get everything aligned.

by SilverClip on Nov 28, 2009 12:39 PM PST reply actions  

Great post, great recap...

Nice cover of the “missing minutes”. Rec’d.

by John Raffo on Nov 28, 2009 1:36 PM PST reply actions  

Hints of a Baron-Gordon rift:

Hmmm…since a few people commented on this, I can only say that it’s just my perception from watching them play together from last season. Near the tail end of last year, Eric also commented on the need to play with intensity and the pride that everyone needs to bring to the game. I read that as a veiled criticism of Baron and some of the veterans. And let’s face it, Baron didn’t bring it at all last year, I think most of us can agree on that.

Perhaps part of it is Eric’s lone wolf nature, but there were plays last year where Eric was wide open on the wing and clearly expected a pass from Baron only to see the ball go into Camby etc. Some of those passes were questionable, especially after Eric got hot and nailed jumper after jumper. You would think that Baron would look to inflate his assists with an easy kick out to Eric, but it rarely happens. I mentioned this once during a game to a friend who I split season tickets with and he said he noticed the same thing. The natural pass should have gone to the hot hand in the corner but it doesn’t. Perhaps it’s Baron’s way of keeping the post players and veterans involved in the game. It could just be my imagination, though an assist from Baron to Eric seems a bit rare to me, almost to the point of him consciously freezing Eric out of the offense at times. One of us should keep a log on the recipient of Baron’s assists. Though I would imagine that this season it’s going mostly inside to Kaman. Most of Eric’s spot up shots comes from Kaman’s kick out, but that’s probably due to Dunleavy’s inside-out offensive mandate more than anything else. Baron’s chemistry with Kaman this season is definitely much better however.

Thanks for the kind words by the way, everyone.

by MichaelCage on Nov 28, 2009 4:26 PM PST reply actions  

I agree...

Noticed the same thing repeatedly last year, and I thought I saw it happen in the Indiana game as well… Baron seemed to ignore both Gordon and Butler when they were seemingly unguarded on the three point line. Sometimes he was looking for a big man and sometimes he seemed to prefer to take the shot himself.
Interestingly, I did NOT notice it last night.

by John Raffo on Nov 28, 2009 4:42 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah...

I thought Baron played great last night, probably his best game of the year in terms of stepping up offensively when he needed to and running the offense when everyone was clicking. It’s not an easy balance, but the great point guards know when to carry the team and know when to drive it. For once, Baron looked like the point guard that we thought we had signed. The only hiccup was in the second when we started forcing the ball into Kaman and letting him back down his defender. I cringe when that happens. Especially when the double team comes and Kaman gets panicky.

by MichaelCage on Nov 28, 2009 4:49 PM PST up reply actions  

I agree too.

I’ve seen this before. Frankly, that’s part of the reason why I think Baron is preventing Eric from growing into a superstar. I’ve seen the same thing, last season when EJ got hot and yet Baron still take the shot himself when EJ was wide open.

by RockyMountain on Nov 28, 2009 6:25 PM PST up reply actions  

I missed the end of this game

Watching the best college basketball team EVAH get it done.

by Michael White on Nov 28, 2009 11:10 PM PST reply actions  

Almost posted about them...

If they beat West Virginia, we’ll give them a shout out. WCC looking good in non conference play. Gonzaga, Portland, San Diego and Saint Mary’s all have some quality wins already. Even Pepperdine has won two straight (against terrible teams, but still).

In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd

by Steve Perrin on Nov 28, 2009 11:44 PM PST up reply actions  

Can anybody help me?

I have seats to tmrw games, and was wondering if anybody knew about a promotion the Clippers have where you purchase a toy and get an autograph picture of a player of your choice? Thanks! If anybody has news that’d be great.

by JackduhSun on Nov 28, 2009 11:31 PM PST reply actions  

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