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Clippers vs. Memphis - Open Thread

Memphis Grizzlies at Los Angeles Clippers, Nov 7, 2009 7:30 PM PST


2009/2010 NBA Regular Season
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vs.
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2-4
1-5
Staples Center
November 7th, 2009, 7:30 PM
FSN Prime Ticket, 980 AM
Probable starters:
Baron Davis
PG Mike Conley
Eric Gordon
SG O.J. Mayo
Rasual Butler
SF Rudy Gay
Marcus Camby
PF Zach Randolph
Chris Kaman
C Marc Gasol

The Back Story:

First meeting of the season.  The Grizzlies won the season series last year 2-1.

Star-divide

More Notes Before the Tip

In case you haven't heard, Clipper-summer-flirtation Allen Iverson is not with the Grizzlies tonight, attending to 'personal matters' in Atlanta.  Lionel Hollins addressed the media before the game with little more info than that, and as another reporter said to me "He didn't really do a very good job of selling it."  In other words, no one's really buying it - not around here anyway.  Three games into his career as a Grizzlies reserve, he has to deal with 'personal matters.'  Suspicious. 

The Grizzlies are one of four teams in the league allowing their opponents to shoot better than 50% on the young season.  The worst team on FG defense is the Warriors, last night's victim.  The Grizz are 28th out of 30 teams, allowing their opponents to shoot 50.6%.  For what it's worth, the Clippers are actually doing well by that metric - holding their opponents to 43.4%, 9th best in the league.

On the other side, the Clippers are shooting over 48% on the season, fourth best in the league.  So the signs point towards a good shooting night for LA in this one.  By the way, if you're wondering how a team that is shooting 5% points better than their opponents is 2-4, the short answer is turnovers, with some rebouding mixed in.

The Grizzlies have four guys scoring well, even without Iverson.  Zach Randolph and Rudy Gay are each averaging over 20, O.J. Mayo is right there at 19.7 and Marc Gasol is at 16.3 and 58% shooting.  So scoring isn't their problem, at least not while their starters are out there.  They just can't stop anybody.

First Quarter Notes:

Gasol is big...  but he looks thinner than last season.  He seemed to still have some baby fat last year.  He looks leaner and meaner now. 

Zach is just a different guy.  He must have lost 30 pounds at least.  It's actually pretty freaky.  He barely looks like the same player.

Marcus opens the game with two misses at the line.  That's becoming a problem.

Bad start.  Grizzlies 3 for 3, Clippers 0 for 2 from three, 0 for 2 fom the line in their first three trips.  Good idea to go to Kaman on the next trip.  But despite one Kaman bucket, it's 10-2 Grizzlies start, 4 points and an assist for Z-bo, 4 points for Gay, and the Clippers take an early timeout.  The Clippers, even in their losses this season, have tended to start well.  So this is a little disappointing to come out so flat.

Kaman is working extra hard to get down the court and get deep position on Gasol.  I don't know if it's an advantage they think they can exploit from the scouting report, or if he's just running hard tonight.

Rasual Butler is having some mixed results.  He's having trouble staying with Rudy Gay, who's got 14 in the first ten minutes, but he's rebounding well, and has made a couple of shots off the dribble, both deep in the shot clock.  Marcus on the other hand is having touble on both ends.  As we suspected, he can't really defend Z-bo, who exploited his reluctance to stray too far from the rim on the first Memphis possession, nor can he do anything on offense.  His shot attempts have not been close, and he's 1 for 4 from the line.

The Clippers trimmed the lead to 3 at 17-15, and it seemed like things were back under control.  But despite generating any shot they wanted over the next several possessions, an 8-1 the lead stretched back out to 25-16 because they just kept missing the shots.   But a nice run to close the quarter has the situation back under control.  All things considered, given how many good shots the Clippers just missed, you can't be too upset being down only six - if they hadn't missed four free throws, it would obviously be closer.  But they've got to figure out how to stop Gay. 

At 1:38 of the first, we get the matchup we want - DeAndre Jordan versus Hasheem Thabeet.  Except that Jordan is defending Z-Bo (I did not see that coming).  Thabeet picks up a foul trying to defend Kaman 28 seconds after entering the game.  No real surprise there.  Then he drops a perfect pass the next trip.  Have I mentioned that I'm not a fan of this guy?

Second Quarter Notes

The Clippers rotations are just slow tonight.  MEM's first two second quarter buckets are wide open jumpers where basically no one got close to the shooter.

The Clippers start the second quarter with DJ and Craig Smith as the bigs, facing Thabeet and Z-bo on the other side.  But contrary to what you might expect, MDsr has DJ on Z-bo.  Thabeeet's such a non-factor offensively, all you have to do is box him out, which Smith has the strength to do.

In theory, the Clippers' bench should be stronger - maybe much stronger - than Memphis'.  And three minutes into the quarter, Telfair, DJ, Smith and Thornton (and lone starter Gordon) have cut the lead to two.  Lionel Hollins comes back immediately with Gasol and Gay and Conley and Mayo - these guys are going to play huge minutes tonight. 

The Grizzlies switch to a zone after briefly losing the lead and the Clippers look a little confused against it the first couple of trips.  I can't remember anyone playing zone this season, so it will be interesting to see how they adjust.

Craig Smith has a nice quarter, unexpectedly making two longer jumpers, one of them a three pointer.  But they continue to struggle stopping Rudy Gay, who starts adding to his point total the instant he checks back in.

With three minutes to go in the quarter, Eric Gordon has 4 shots in 16 minutes of play.  That's not acceptable for the team's most efficient scorer.  Why are they not getting him any shots?  Is O.J. Mayo blanketing him?  Or have the Clippers just forgotten him?  I don't know, but I'm giong to start watching the matchup.

Late in the quarter, it apparently dawns on the Clippers that Baron Davis has about 40 pounds on Mike Conley, and that the kid can't actually handle Baron in the post.  Baron scores 8 of the Clippers last 10 points of the quarter, to get the lead back down to a manageable five. 

But this game will not end well if (a) the Clippers allow Rudy Gay to torch them for forty (he has 21 at the half) and (b) the Clippers can't get Eric Gordon involved.  Gay, it must be said, has been incredible.  He is making moves that are just crazy - and making everything he shoots (he's 8 for 10).  So I don't think it's really a question of bad defense from my perspective.  Gay has been nigh unstoppable.

Third Quarter Notes:

The Clippers quickly cut the lead to two, and have several chances to tie the game before Baron finally gets the trick done at 7:37.  They seem to have taken my advice and gotten Eric Gordon involved - he had four shots in the first half, and he has five in less than five minutes of the third.  If the refs would give him a little love, he would have converted four of them - twice he went hard to the rim and major contact yielded no whistle.  But the great news about the start of the quarter is that the defense is significantly better.  Although the Clippers are having trouble scoring, they are getting plenty of stops, and getting good looks on offense.  It bodes much better for the final result at this point.

Baron picks up his fourth foul with 5:49 left in the quarter and immediately looks to the bench to give them the "I'm OK, leave me in" wave.  Does that ever work?  It didn't for Baron, as Bassy hops up.

The Grizzlies enter the bonus with 5:43 left in the quarter, which is terrible news given how much more difficult it's been for them to score this quarter.  You just don't want a struggling team to get freebies for five minutes.

Rasual Butler can't buy a three.  He's had multiple good looks in this game and hasn't made a single one.  He's 0 for 5.  A couple of makes would have been nice, but I'm not telling you anything you didn't know.

Rudy Gay is getting the superstar treatment from the refs tonight.  If he takes the ball to the rim, he gets the whistle.  It will be nice when EJ gets that.

It's been a strange game.  Seems like the Clippers get it back together, and take the lead, but then they immediately give up six straight or so to fall back behind.  Turnovers continue to be a problem - the total is relatively low tonight, but a bad stretch in the third gives the Grizz a nice lead again.

An aside - the weak opposition in November will hopefully help the record, but it's not helping the Clippers' bottom line.  Tonight's attendance is 15,399. 

Despite Gay having 31 through three quarters (his career high is 35 against the Clippers of course), the Clippers tie the game after three quarters. 

Third quarter score: 82-82.

Fourth Quarter Notes:

Unlike the third quarter, the Clippers start the fourth showing absolutely no ability to get a stop - this mostly against Memphis reserves.  So although the Clippers start the quarter scoring relatively well, they once again fall behind, due to their utter uselessness on defense.  Memphis scores 11 points in the first 3:15 of the quarter. 

Baron picks up his fifth foul and has to sit down again three minutes into the quarter.  Telfair has played pretty well, but Baron's post up was a major weapon at the close of the first half, and it would be nice to have that as an option. 

Midway through the fourth, the Grizzlies are 8 for 10.  Somehow the Clippers are only behind by 2 despite that fact.  The Clippers are also getting killed on the boards in the game.  But in a timely spurt, the Clippers regain the lead at 100-99, ensuring a Lawler's Law based victory, right?  Actually, some stops and some rebounds may be necessary, Law or no Law.

Remember how Rasual Butler was 0 for 5 from three and I said some makes would be nice?  Well, his two fourth quarter threes are huge, the second one stretching the thin Clippers lead to 4, their biggest of the game, with 3:12 left.

Craig Smith has perhaps been the MVP for the Clippers tonight (despite the chants during Kaman's free throws).  Surprisingly, his defense has been terrific, as it was against Nowitzki in the Dallas game.  But he's also got 18 points, second highest on the team.  MDsr goes offense-defense with Camby and Smith in the final minutes, but I'm not sure I don't want Smith out there on both ends.

The Clippers rebounding difficulties continue down the stretch, keeping the Grizzlies close on second chances, despite the renewed vigor of the LA defense.  It should be noted that Memphis is one of the top rebounding teams in the league - Gasol and Randolph are both monsters, and Gay is strong from the three spot.

But as it seemed would be the case, the Clippers slowly take control of the game in the final minutes.  Unfortunately, by missing half of their last 8 free throws, they leave the outcome in doubt until the last second, but they come away with the 113-110.

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I'll be out there...

in a few minutes. I’ll be in the press section at the bottom right of 115.

In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd

by Steve Perrin on Nov 7, 2009 7:22 PM PST reply actions  

be to the

Right of you with my girlfriend

by ChrisS.Oaks on Nov 7, 2009 7:27 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Hi

I see your section. what are you wearing?

In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd

by Steve Perrin on Nov 7, 2009 7:39 PM PST up reply actions  

Yup

Arnovitz says he looks like he lost an 8th grader. He walked into MDsr’s office while we were in there before the game and I was shocked at how trim he looks. FYI, there was genuine affection there. Those guys don’t have any trouble with each other.

In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd

by Steve Perrin on Nov 7, 2009 7:33 PM PST up reply actions  

Starting lineups

Are as listed above. No changes.

In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd

by Steve Perrin on Nov 7, 2009 7:40 PM PST reply actions  

Ai has left the team…. good thing we didn’t sign him

by shay on Nov 7, 2009 8:07 PM PST via mobile reply actions  

Yeah he’s really made an ass of himself.

by Sam50 on Nov 7, 2009 8:07 PM PST up reply actions  

Ai has left the team…. good thing we didn’t sign him

by shay on Nov 7, 2009 8:18 PM PST via mobile reply actions  

DJ

Fans love him

by ChrisS.Oaks on Nov 7, 2009 8:28 PM PST via mobile reply actions  

Bench brings the team back into it

as the starters slowly get transitioned in, the game begins to slip again

by dulciusEXasperis on Nov 7, 2009 8:37 PM PST reply actions  

Baron takes over. Bullshit taken back a call though.

by Sam50 on Nov 7, 2009 8:41 PM PST reply actions  

I like what I'm seeing from Baron

Taking it to the hole with aggression.. I’m excited regardless!

by MagnusVonKilgore on Nov 7, 2009 8:43 PM PST reply actions  

He is doing well, he needs to do more of it though.

by Sam50 on Nov 7, 2009 8:45 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, but after a year watching this guy settle for low percentage jumpers off the dribble….

by MagnusVonKilgore on Nov 7, 2009 8:48 PM PST up reply actions  

RUDY GAY

are starting SF next year!!!!

by big0lbad on Nov 7, 2009 8:47 PM PST reply actions  

i still dont want him. he seems like a better version of al thornton . the guy is a black hole.

by hans007 on Nov 7, 2009 8:49 PM PST up reply actions  

alright ClipNation... I just got home

looks like Smith has played well off the bench- any other tidbits for someone who missed the first half?

by thehalobender on Nov 7, 2009 8:57 PM PST reply actions  

Thank you Steve!

These quarter-by-quarter commentaries are helpful for those of us who missed the first half

http://www.clipperscurse.com/

by ClippersCurse on Nov 7, 2009 9:04 PM PST reply actions  

I thought Thabeet was out

http://www.clipperscurse.com/

by ClippersCurse on Nov 7, 2009 9:05 PM PST reply actions  

wow bunch of non calls for the clipps

this is bullshit…..refs getting kicks at the Clippers expense? Corrupt f**ks

by dulciusEXasperis on Nov 7, 2009 9:08 PM PST reply actions  

the butler/thornton combo isn’t going so well

by whyamiaclippersfan on Nov 7, 2009 9:12 PM PST reply actions  

neither one can get going

rather let Al get the playing time and work through it than Butler. Just me though.

by dulciusEXasperis on Nov 7, 2009 9:14 PM PST up reply actions  

butler is not erally giving us much, but al must be really horrible if he’s still not playing.

by hans007 on Nov 7, 2009 9:14 PM PST up reply actions  

Nah it’s not to fun to watch. But Kaman is.

by Sam50 on Nov 7, 2009 9:14 PM PST up reply actions  

Telfair is really making the team play well when hes on.

by Sam50 on Nov 7, 2009 9:15 PM PST reply actions  

then he turns it over :0

by Sam50 on Nov 7, 2009 9:15 PM PST up reply actions  

is it me...

Or does EJ get screwed out of more calls than anybody. Really?

by ChrisS.Oaks on Nov 7, 2009 9:20 PM PST via mobile reply actions  

these fouls

are getting really ******* lame

by Final692 on Nov 7, 2009 9:35 PM PST reply actions  

BD puts a hand on his back and the get the foul

Our guys are flying to the basket and getting hammered and get no calls. They’ve shot more than double the amount of FT’s we have

by dulciusEXasperis on Nov 7, 2009 9:36 PM PST up reply actions  

I just lost the stream at atdhe.net

Says the channel is blocked by admin. Does anyone else have another working stream? thanks.

by Stitch626 on Nov 7, 2009 9:39 PM PST reply actions  

I'M HERE!

Roger Sterling: To my knees, Don. They're bringing to my knees!"

by Lawler's Law on Nov 7, 2009 9:47 PM PST reply actions  

IT'S IN THE BAG

TIL kaman took that ugly shot

Roger Sterling: To my knees, Don. They're bringing to my knees!"

by Lawler's Law on Nov 7, 2009 9:47 PM PST reply actions  

good d rotation

Roger Sterling: To my knees, Don. They're bringing to my knees!"

by Lawler's Law on Nov 7, 2009 9:48 PM PST reply actions  

rhino has done that move on entry pass to gasol a couple of times

Roger Sterling: To my knees, Don. They're bringing to my knees!"

by Lawler's Law on Nov 7, 2009 9:50 PM PST reply actions  

haha 3 bingos in about a split second

by Sam50 on Nov 7, 2009 9:50 PM PST reply actions  

the guy has a shot that looks like it's going in everytime

Roger Sterling: To my knees, Don. They're bringing to my knees!"

by Lawler's Law on Nov 7, 2009 9:50 PM PST reply actions  

Hes a huge reason we are in front. I mean HUUUUUUUGE reason

by Sam50 on Nov 7, 2009 9:52 PM PST up reply actions  

Zach looks hungry

by Sam50 on Nov 7, 2009 9:57 PM PST reply actions  

literally and figuratevely!

Roger Sterling: To my knees, Don. They're bringing to my knees!"

by Lawler's Law on Nov 7, 2009 9:58 PM PST up reply actions  

did we hire the lakers timekeepers?

Roger Sterling: To my knees, Don. They're bringing to my knees!"

by Lawler's Law on Nov 7, 2009 9:58 PM PST reply actions  

Ugly win. But we have 3 in a row. We also have a hot Kaman & Baron playing 2 solid games in a row.

by Sam50 on Nov 7, 2009 10:05 PM PST up reply actions  

This is a Great Win

The type of win we never got last year! We played like crap, but hung around long enuff to pull it out!

by big0lbad on Nov 7, 2009 10:04 PM PST reply actions  

yeah I believe so

and you’re from HH right? nice to see a fellow angels fan. Rev is a clip fan too.

by figgifig on Nov 7, 2009 10:19 PM PST up reply actions  

Is he? I didn't know that. And yeah, I'm from there.

Are you going to have to change your name if Figgins leaves?

I've got nothing.

by bc56274 on Nov 7, 2009 10:22 PM PST up reply actions  

well I won't HAVE to... ;)

and I won’t either.

also if you are an mma fan fedor is about to fight on CBS.

by figgifig on Nov 7, 2009 10:26 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm not really a fan of it, I know guys who bet on it, so I happen to know who won already.

You really think Figgins will re-sign? I’m not sure if I want him back or not, it’s a tough call. He was so brutal in the playoffs.

I've got nothing.

by bc56274 on Nov 7, 2009 10:31 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm not sure if he will re-sign

he will have to take less than 10 mil a year…Arte has the mone to resign him and lackey…but if lackey doesn’t want to come back I think figgins comes back and a cheap Vlad.

he was brutal but would we have got there w/out him?

by figgifig on Nov 7, 2009 10:35 PM PST up reply actions  

Probably not. Although, we did beat Boston without him.

I actually like Figgy, but Lackey has to be the number one priority.

It all comes down to pitching. Even though the Yankees had all those big sticks, they don’t win without the pitching.

I've got nothing.

by bc56274 on Nov 7, 2009 10:37 PM PST up reply actions  

figgins walked in game 3 against boston w/2 outs in the 9th

I agree about Lackey but I don’t think he wants to come back.

Yankees starting pitching overall sucked IMO…Angels had way more depth.

by figgifig on Nov 7, 2009 10:44 PM PST up reply actions  

THANK YOU for missing.. whew

http://www.clipperscurse.com/

by ClippersCurse on Nov 7, 2009 10:11 PM PST reply actions  

Great comeback

We got over the 4th quarter fails and Mike Dunleavy has found a rotation that he is comfortable with and gives a solid amount of rest for our starters. We are 7th best team in the West time to get at NO. Gameplan should be to double West and Peja.

by KillaClip on Nov 7, 2009 10:22 PM PST reply actions  

Saw the fourth quarter with a laggy stream

And I’m not a fan of Rudy Gay coming over next year, if it happens. If we have the guys we have now, Rudy’s going to disrupt the offense by being a black hole and looking for his own shot. We have a good amount of guys who can make shots and create plays. I think Gay is more like an upgraded Al Thornton.

A win is still great though, even though it ended tighter than I thought. If we made 70% of our FTs in the final minute we wouldn’t need to be afraid of Gay’s desperate 3 at the end game.

by penguin35 on Nov 7, 2009 10:29 PM PST reply actions  

+1.

what we need is tayshaun prince, a trevor ariza, or something like that. or lebron.

i think that is what butler sort of is, he’s not a scoring machine, but he doesnt hold the ball he knows where he’s supposed to be etc. if we dont get a super star at the 3 thats all we need, or a better version of it. maybe gerald wallace or something too.

by hans007 on Nov 7, 2009 10:32 PM PST up reply actions  

I’d love a Trevor Ariza-type of player at the SF position. Defends well and can hit the open 3, doesn’t really need the ball to be effective.

And that LeBron guy would help, I guess. I heard he can do lots of stuff.

by penguin35 on Nov 7, 2009 10:40 PM PST up reply actions  

Ok….so with that win, we now know we aren’t bottom feeders of the league. Burt are we more than that? We’ll soon be tested…again. Good job on this win by sticking with it til the end.

by Takebb909 on Nov 7, 2009 10:31 PM PST via mobile reply actions  

Bill Simmons just tweeted this:

Just came back from Clips-Grizz. Now I know why Iverson walked. What a joke that he couldn’t start over Conley. I woulda walked, too.

I've got nothing.

by bc56274 on Nov 7, 2009 10:32 PM PST reply actions  

During a play stoppage with 3 1-2 minutes left in the first quarter, a fan sitting within earshot of the Grizzlies bench yelled: “Hey, Lionel, we paid to see A.I.” …

by figgifig on Nov 7, 2009 10:45 PM PST reply actions  

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