Clips Nation: An SB Nation Community

Navigation: Jump to content areas:


Pro Quality. Fan Perspective.
Around SBN: Baby Boilers no more: Michigan State-Purdue Preview

Clippers 113 - Memphis 110 - It Was a Struggle, but We'll Take It

Together again.

More photos » Gus Ruelas - AP

Together again.

After winning easily in Oakland last night, the Clippers had a flat start in their return home against the Grizzlies tonight.  They fell behind 10-2, and seemingly played catch up the rest of the night. 

Despite their record and reputation, the Grizzlies are a talented bunch, particularly their starters.  Mike Conley is not a great shooter, but he is incredibly quick, and creates chances for his team on dribble penetration.  The rest of the starting unit, O.J. Mayo, Rudy Gay, Zach Randolph and Marc Gasol, is as talented an offensive collection as there is in the league.  Mayo, Gay and Randolph are all capable of hanging 30 or even 40 on a team any night, and Gasol is turning into a top center.  They can score the ball. 

Their problem is that they don't do such a good job stopping the other team, as the final score in the Clippers 113-110 win would indicate. 

For most of the game, it seemed that Rudy Gay would single-handedly carry the Grizz to the win.  He was, in a word, unstoppable in the first half, scoring 21.  His 10 fourth quarter points included a bunch of free throws, and it seemed he was headed to a new career-high (his prior high of 35 came against, you guessed it, the Clippers).  Gay has all the tools of a scorer - jaw-dropping athleticism, a terrific jump shot, the ability to put the ball on the floor, and the ability to simply make shots.  Many of his points came against solid, if not great, Clipper defense. 

Star-divide

 


 

The Clippers dug holes and climbed out of them all night long.  Their largest deficit was 11, early in the game at 17-6.  They took a one point lead in the second quarter - and then fell behind by nine.  They took another one point lead in the third - and immediately gave it back and fell down five.  They climbed back even at the end of the third and it looked like they would finally take control of the game.  But their lax defense allowed Memphis to start the fourth quarter 8 for 10 and regain the lead again. 

When Rasual Butler sank a three pointer with 3:13 left in the game to give the Clippers a 105-101 lead, it was LA's largest lead of the game.  They never relinquished it, though they did try by missing four of the final eight free throws.

Some quick thoughts before I head home:

Eric Gordon had four first half shots, and five in the first five minutes of the second half.  I asked coach after the game if they were making a concerted effort to get him shots and he said absolutely.  It's not in Gordon's nature to demand the ball, and in sets with multiple options, MDsr says they sometimes forget about EJ.  So he called some plays specifically for EJ to get him going.  EJ finished the game 15 points on 12 shots, still very efficient if not his best.  He also had 6 assists, which I believe ties his career high.

Craig Smith was the MVP for the Clippers.  He scored 18 points on 8 for 11 shooting, including a three and another long jumper.  He also played solid fourth quarter defense, taking a charge and also coming up with two steals.  I liked that acquistion at the time, and I like it even better now.  I assumed that Smith's defense would be a liability, but it has not been the case so far this season.

Chris Kaman continues to dazzle.  He scored 26, one off his career-high set last week, extending his active steak of 20+ games to 6.  That's 6 times in the first 7 games of the season he's been over 20.  That just wasn't in the realm of possibility going into the season.  He also had 9 rebounds and 4 assists, and limited his miscues to 2 turnovers.  The key Butler three came on a Kaman pass out of the double team, where Chris was patient and made the right pass at the right time. 

Baron Davis is looking more and more like the guy we thought we'd see.  Although he was limited to 27 minutes by foul trouble, he was productive during that time, with 15 points, 5 assists and 5 rebounds.  But it's just the way he moves on the floor, the way he holds his body, his demeanor - he's a different player this season than last.

Finally, it's pretty astounding how quickly Al Thornton has gone from being the starter to getting 16 minutes off the bench.  Rasual Butler played 39 minutes and Eric Gordon played 41 - guess, what?  That's leaves 16 minutes for another wing.  Now, with Rudy Gay going off, I think MDsr felt like Butler was his best chance at slowing down Gay.  But I have to say, while I knew Butler would be the starter, I didn't foresee this kind of minutes distribution, regardless of the matchups.

The Clippers have now won three straight, and it feels like it's been a long time since that happened (anyone want to look that up?)  But those three victories have come against teams that have won three games themselves - total.  So while it's good that they are getting the wins they're supposed to, it must be remembered that indeed they are supposed to win these games.  Monday versus New Orleans will be a better test. 

0 recs  |  Comment 56 comments |

Story-email Email Printer Print

Comments

Display:

Steve, id like to add

This game wouldn’t of been close if the guys could make their free throws. What the hell is going on? seriously, coach should just have the guys shoot free throws next practice like how they do with DJ.

by big0lbad on Nov 7, 2009 11:37 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Our missed FTs

At crunch time, I think our FT % is more like 50% in the final minutes when we were trying to pull away.

This is likely going to be a recurring theme, so hopefully CMDsr will put some attention to that.

by penguin35 on Nov 7, 2009 11:45 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

We should fire Dunleavy

He’s not putting our players in a position to make a quality FTs.
I’m just kidding, Someone has to fill the role of Firedunleavy

I thought our defense was good, but man, It looked as if Memphis was making every tough shot.

Great substitution of Rhino for Camby, it added an offensive threat since Zbo was not trying to play D

by Qlippers on Nov 8, 2009 12:17 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Collective Brain Spasm

At tomorrow’s practice, they need to sit at the free throw line and meditate on their happy place.

by SilverClip on Nov 8, 2009 12:03 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

when was the last time

a clippers player scored 20+ pts in 7 or more straight games…

Roger Sterling: To my knees, Don. They're bringing to my knees!"

by Lawler's Law on Nov 7, 2009 11:38 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

11 in a row

last year by Z-Bo between November and December. We won 6 of those games.

EJ was close having both 5 and a 6 game streak of 20 or more last year.

by Lawler 4ever on Nov 8, 2009 12:10 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Early Hole

Digging an early hole really hurt us…it gave Memphis some confidence and they felt it was their game…we just had to grind it out and i’m sure glad they were able to. Coach stuck w/ Butler even when his shot wasn’t falling, but sticking by him paid off at the end…we needed those jump shots to close out the game.

Refs were pretty tough on us for a stretch there, with perhaps the worst non-call i’ve ever seen at a Clippers game when they swallowed the whistle on that break away layup attempt.

Anyway, put it on the board, we’ll take it.

by ghost_ride on Nov 8, 2009 12:08 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

The Funk are tough

No shame in pulling out a close one tonight. Unlike the Twolve win, I feel pretty good about this one.

by SilverClip on Nov 8, 2009 12:12 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Freethorws win games!

CMD. Our Clips need to make them FTs man.

We would’ve won the game VS Phoenix if it were them stupid FTs…

But. This is a good sign, but we gotta stay focus.

Us Clipper fans can only be optimistic, not over-confident.

Clippers 09-10. Prepare for a revolution.

by iankobe on Nov 8, 2009 12:32 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Last year,

we wouldnt have own these games. I lvoe the clips and this win was sexu

by ClipperMyth on Nov 8, 2009 3:49 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

You didn't mention the play

Where Gay threw down a dunk on AT’s head. That was brutal and all personal allegiances aside a brilliant and jaw-dropping moment. I really hope we make a move for this young fella during the off-season.

FA in 2010.

by ClipperChuck on Nov 8, 2009 4:04 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Gay is a Clipper killer

Gay almost scored his career high last night by 2 points & his career high came against the Clippers last year. He plays great against us but we never have a real starting SF to play against him. His offense is there but I don’t think we really need only offense right now from a SF when we need someone who can defend too. Butler & Thorton are good but I don’t think either is a top SF in this league by a long shot.

by chrisd on Nov 8, 2009 8:19 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Awesome offensive game... but...

A selfish player to my eyes and doesn’t seem interested on defensive end. Of course that seems to be a philosophy shared by his teammates.

by swamigusto on Nov 8, 2009 9:17 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Selfish?

Not sure if he’s ever been considered that before but the knock on him has always been he hasn’t been assertive enough.

FA in 2010.

by ClipperChuck on Nov 8, 2009 11:43 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

But I have to say, while I knew Butler would be the starter, I didn’t foresee this kind of minutes distribution, regardless of the matchups.

Yeah that is rather surprising. Well hope coach knows what he’s doing. I don’t care who you are, going from the starter for 2 seasons playing 35+ minutes down to chump 16 minute games has got to screw with your head. I feel for Al. A bit hypocritical of MD to leave Butler out there throwing garbage up all night until his 3 big 4th quarter shots. What does Al have to do to get some real minutes? Played solid D on Gay (not like Butler was able to stop him; went for 33 pts). And he certainly looked to get easy shots for himself.

That being said, we can expect Butler to start making more of those shot attemps.

by dulciusEXasperis on Nov 8, 2009 7:07 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

What Al has to do is learn to shoot

Butler is in there so Kaman has his room to operate in the post.

Butler isn’t a better player per se but he fits better with the starters since he can pass and shoot.

by DariusN on Nov 8, 2009 8:27 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree and like you said, he is a much better fit for what we need offensively (a 3 point shooter)

But we can’t squeeze Al in there a bit more to keep his confidence higher? He’s playing garbage minutes so unless we’re looking to trade him, it’s going to affect him. Look, he’s already not comfortable coming off the bench (which is completely on him) but it is affecting him. Then you giving him chump minutes? We wont see an improved Thornton with those incrediants. Al or MD needs to approch the other and talk about his role and what he can do to stay out on the floor longer (if that’s even an option)

by dulciusEXasperis on Nov 8, 2009 8:44 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

i love Al Thornton as a Clipper

…But in all fairness, my boy has played himself out of his starterp mins. And he did that all by himself. Butler did not even have to “out play” him to get his mins, because Butler didn’t even do that much, who’s game I love as well. Butler has been having his own struggles. Its just that Butler’s were not as detrimental as Thornton’s. Dunleavy, I believe, even stuck with Thorton having those starter mins. a game or two longer then I felt he should. And that is not to say that I thiught Dunleavy would ever make the change to the more productive player of the two like he didN seeing as how stubborn he has come off to be in the last forever years. I wonder if the “magical Lucas effect” had anything to do with that too?

Al Thornton’s tool box is much deeper than Rasual Butler’s, however it is the level of effectiveness with his fewer number of tools that has enabled him to see the light, that is the Clipper’s starting 5. Thornton absolutely contains all of the natural abilities to be a scoring Josh Smith, but he is not consistanly empowering himself with those abilities right now. The dissappointing note is that I don’t know if he ever will. I must say,however, that it is by far and large much too early to put a definitive stamp on his game. Right now let us see if he will “will” his way to.

P.s. Did anyone else notice that Mike Smith reads this blog, by that info he was putting forth last night?

Ps2 Eric Gordon needs to be shooting 18-20 times a gamean right now. There is truly no exscuse. The man is a legend…lol, already. I love this team

by Takebb909 on Nov 8, 2009 4:00 PM PST via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

Nice Post

Think the big mistake was not acquiring a veteran SF like Butler last year. The job was just handed to AT, and he didn’t really have any competition or threat to his spot. Now, he’s forced to improve his game or continue to get reserve minutes.

by ghost_ride on Nov 8, 2009 5:54 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

What was Mike Smith saying?

I was at the game and only watched the fourth quarter on the TiVo. What was he saying?

In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd

by Steve Perrin on Nov 9, 2009 9:10 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

you mean that part about

more “embarrassing than being stopped by a police officer while speeding naked?” stopped Ralph in his tracks and said something like, “yes, Mike Smith. Are you trying to say something?”

Roger Sterling: To my knees, Don. They're bringing to my knees!"

by Lawler's Law on Nov 9, 2009 10:56 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Interesting...

Butler’s offensive game is not really better, but a better fit. Defensively, Butler is not as strong on the ball, but plays better team defense. Generally he seems to have a better understanding of the game.

by swamigusto on Nov 8, 2009 9:22 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Bingo

I think this is it too. It’s the overall role that Butler does better. Individually, no doubt AT is better.

by RockyMountain on Nov 9, 2009 4:17 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

One thing I noticed

was that AT did play 16 minutes but scored 6 points on 3-4 shooting. I wouldn’t be surprised if Dunleavy is treating him almost like a rookie — put him in to successful situations, allow him to score easy baskets to gain confidence and trust in teammates. It does seem like AT is trying to go Christopher Columbus and rediscover something (in his case, his game), but he definitely has the tools to be successful once his confidence is back.

by yaggiefresh on Nov 8, 2009 3:01 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

There is no way

that the Clippers could win against quality teams if they cannot shoot FT at the end of the game. They game should have been won much earlier if those FT we made. 50% FT in the last minutes among your best 4 players is not acceptable.
Kaman getting a lot of touches should work often but for him not being able to recognize at all times that he has to give up the ball to the open man when he is not in a position to score. Undestand that dribbling towards the basket creates a more favorable shot for him but also it gives him an opportunity to dish the ball to either Butler or EJ should he get double teamed. It won’t be long that teams will do this and Kaman should know better what he is supposed to do. With Butler shooting coming back and EJ’s ability to make treys, Kaman should be able to trust them. Lastly, I don’t think Thorton has any idea of what is going on in the court and what his role is. He completely lost his identity with this team!

by nelsan on Nov 8, 2009 7:24 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

But he is working much harder to produce than he did last year; fighting releantlessly to stick hisdefensive assignment to the last tick, fighting tooth and nail for those rebounds and no moreso contesting the apponnants shot with a swat. I love that effort: when the shot is not going, your still an asset. I wonder who has his ear on all of this?…John “the baller whisperer” Lucas??

by Takebb909 on Nov 8, 2009 4:11 PM PST via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

It is surprising

that AT only plays 16 minutes. I’m guessing coach wants to see how good butler’s D really is. I thought AT shut down BronBron when we played the Cavs last year. Surely that’s something. On the other hand, probably it’s team D that AT lacks. As a team, I see the everybody collapse the lane faster than last year. Maybe that’s why butler’s in and AT sits.

by RockyMountain on Nov 8, 2009 8:18 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Yeah Al really is a good 1-on-1 player,

both offensively and defensively. But like you said, he can handle his man fairly well. He did well against Bron and Mello. And he even held his own against Gay last night, besides that monster dunk, though Camby and whoever the other big was didn’t collapse for the help D.

So yeah, a 6th man role certainly fits Al’s game much better but you’d think you could squeeze him in more than 16-18 minutes. Especially when Butler was playing lousy the first 3 quarters.

We’ll see how his role, and mental state, play out as the season rolls along.

by dulciusEXasperis on Nov 8, 2009 8:57 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

As Smith and Camby stand and watch

yeah clearly Al’s fault for the lack of help D. Not to mention Gay got nearly all his points off of Butler.

by dulciusEXasperis on Nov 8, 2009 12:19 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Al's the poster...

Yeah, the help is supposed to be there. A’s job in that spot is to keep Gay out of the middle. Of course, he’s also supposed to slow him down a little bit.

But 99.99% of NBA watchers don’t know that Camby and/or Smith is supposed be there. So Al is the poster.

In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd

by Steve Perrin on Nov 8, 2009 12:22 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Well clearly he's the poster, no doubt about that

But even when he got beat you can see Camby and Smith just watching. I remember after the play (which you can see for a sec in the clip), Al motions to Camby like “where were you” haha

by dulciusEXasperis on Nov 8, 2009 12:44 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

He should have weakside help

but considering how quickly Gay got to the basket I doubt it would have helped (maybe a 2 for 1 poster special).

I don’t think Sool is a lockdown defender but he’s not a horrible defensive player and he’s a good outside shooter.

FA in 2010.

by ClipperChuck on Nov 8, 2009 12:45 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I basically agree

Butler got the majority of the minutes yesterday and it was his guy (Gay) who went off. People like to bash AT but Butler has shown basically nothing— certainly not proving himself a “lock down defender.” I’m about ready to get a “Free Ricky Davis” fanpost going. At this point, why not?

by Michael White on Nov 8, 2009 12:37 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Well said (about bashing AT) Al's defense has actually been pretty good of late

I’d like to see AT get equal minutes to see if he can bounce back before Ricky starts getting some burn. He (Ricky) actually hasn’t been all that bad but with AT and Butler, it’s hard to get Ricky out there.

by dulciusEXasperis on Nov 8, 2009 12:47 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

but with AT and Butler, it’s hard to get Ricky out there.

Butler and Thornton have the 2 worst PER’s on the team at 8.4 and 8.3 respectively. Those are terrible numbers. Sure its early, but neither of those guys have earned their minutes at this point. Free Ricky Davis.

by Michael White on Nov 8, 2009 1:38 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I disagree

Butler is freeing up the inside on offense. He’s a better fit in my opinion.

by Jax on Nov 8, 2009 12:54 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Ricky Davis could do that too, no?

by Michael White on Nov 8, 2009 1:09 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Um, no

It’s not just that he can stand out there and be a threat, but also that he can conceivably drive and dish. He’s a heady player. I for one don’t think we need to have all stars at every position to win.

by Jax on Nov 8, 2009 2:26 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Free Ricky Davis?

With Butler’s poor defense of Gay, why not Novak? (just kidding) But at least you could guarantee points with Novak!

by sttrumpet on Nov 8, 2009 1:18 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Some observations about EJ

I thought he played pretty poorly last night, he made about 3 or 4 awful turnovers on passes. Of course it wasn’t just him but there were a few passes tonight by the Clips that were nowhere close to their intended target. I’m happy we pulled out the win despite doing everything possible to gift wrap a W for the Griz.

FA in 2010.

by ClipperChuck on Nov 8, 2009 11:48 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Pretty much agree

EJ did struggle a bit, especially with handling the ball and passing. He continues to lack the respect of the officials also, which is discouraging.

Memphis is a good offensive team, but the game was there for the taking and it took a while for the Clippers to grind it out. Give them credit though, grind it out they did. Butlers shot finally falling at the end was the difference.

by ghost_ride on Nov 8, 2009 6:01 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Free Throws and Rebounding

Even when this team wins the Rebounding battle they make it harder on themselves. They either are to lazy (watching the ball waiting for someone to get it) or over doing it (Clippers taking the ball away from each other resulting in a TO). Fre Throws we know the story.

by KillaClip on Nov 8, 2009 3:32 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Well EJ is now doubtful for monday's game with a sore left groin

 Lisa Dillman (Los Angeles Times Clippers beat writer) reporting it from her twitter account.

If he is indeed out, Butler and Thornton will be at the 2 and 3 spots. Looks like AT will get his shot. Gotta make it count big fella lol. Expect Ricky to get some burn too.

by dulciusEXasperis on Nov 8, 2009 4:58 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Comments For This Post Are Closed


User Tools

Welcome to Clips Nation!
Start posting about the Clippers »

Join SB Nation and dive into communities focused on all your favorite teams.

FanPosts

Community blog posts and discussion.

Recent FanPosts

Barondavis_small
Clippers blow 11 point lead, what else is new?
Warriors_game4_0268_kr_small
Clippers VS Utah Jazz
Small
kaman is an all-star! yay!
Camby2_small
Kaman chosen to replace Brand Roy in All-Star Game.
Small
You need a Superstar in the NBA
Small
and this is why I'm against a midseason coaching change...
Small
The Price of Freedom
Buzzerbeater_small
Yikes!-LAC vs SAS
Small
Isaih Thomas on a short list of coaches?
Small
Isiah Thomas GM/COACH?????

+ New FanPost All FanPosts >

SPONSORS


Managers

Clipsnation_small Steve Perrin