Clippers 97 - Washington 95 - Another Ugly Win
There's an old cliche about NBA basketball, perhaps less true today than it was a few years ago: "don't bother watching the first three quarters, just watch the end when they start playing." It goes without saying that for die hard fanatics like the Citizens of Clips Nation, that's probably not going to happen - we tend to watch every excruciating moment. Nonetheless, for nine consecutive games the adage has held true. For the last nine Clipper games, the team that has scored more points in the final quarter has won the game. And not only that, for four of the five Clipper wins in that stretch, the Clippers entered the final period behind and used a big fourth quarter to win the game. That's what happened tonight as the Clippers beat the Wizards 97-95.
This one wasn't quite like the Memphis game - the big run didn't come right at the end. The Clippers actually used two different runs - 16 to 2 over the final five minutes of the third period and 21-6 in the middle of the fourth to turn a 16 point deficit into an 8 point cushion with less than 3 minutes to go. They made it interesting down the stretch, but held on for the victory.
Why the Clippers dug a 16 point hole in the first place is quite another story. I don't consider myself a Wizards expert after watching them in one full game and bits and pieces of others, but in this game at least, their problem is pretty obvious - they have three players, while NBA rules allow you to have five. OK, I'll throw Brendan Haywood into the mix with Gilbert Arenas, Antawn Jamison and Caron Butler, but every single other player on the Wizards absolutely killed them tonight. Now, throw in the fact that of their big guns, only Jamison was particularly good (specifically, he was great) and this really should have been a relatively easy win for the Clippers.
But almost nothing is easy for the Clippers - ever - and this game was no exception. Just when it felt like the Clippers should be pulling away in the second quarter, the lid on the basket sealed shut. What's particularly weird is that they must have moved that lid from one basket to the other at half time, because the third quarter started the way the second quarter ended. Over about a five minute stretch spanning the intermission, the Wizards outscored the Clippers 20-2 to take a 12 point lead.
All NBA teams go through droughts. All NBA teams look bad one minute and good the next. But no one does drought like the Clippers. They've got it down to a science.
The Wizards lost their fifth straight close game, and must surely be getting tired of this. The script was reversed somewhat this time - Saturday against the Pacers, it was the Wizards who had the 4 point lead with 16 seconds left only to give up a three, miss some free throws, and lose by one. Tonight, the Clippers led by 4 with 16 seconds left, gave up a three and missed a free throw, giving the Wizards a chance to tie or win in the final seconds. But Earl Boykins lost the ball and the Wizards had their hearts broken again.
There were some good things, and a lot of bad things, happening for the Clippers in this game:
- Eric Gordon was very, very good. He was as aggressive offensively as he's been this season, and was making a variety of shots. He finished with 29, tying his season high, and only used 15 shots to get there.
- Chris Kaman had his first good shooting night in a while, scoring 23 on 11 for 19 shooting. Unfortunately, his hot hand did not carry over to unguarded attempts, as he went 1 for 6 from the line - another reason the door was cracked open for the Wizards at the end.
- Rasual Butler was a positive factor, which is a major bonus given that it hasn't happened much. Sool finished with 15 points on 6 for 13 shooting, and he made two threes, including a huge one to give the Clippers a 4 point lead with 4 minutes left. Kevin was talking about the fivesome of Kaman-Camby-Butler-Gordon-Baron earlier this week, and we got a healthy dose of it tonight as Al Thornton battled foul trouble all night.
On the negative side of the ledger:
- The bench is becoming more and more of a problem. Outside of Butler and maybe the little used Brian Skinner, no one played well. What's more, MDsr is clearly losing confidence in them. Craig Smith played less than 5 minutes tonight, and Sebastian Telfair was around 9. This leaves Baron (39), Camby (39) and Kaman (40) playing huge minutes. But maybe the vitamin D milk is kicking in, as Kaman was actually at his best in the fourth when he scored 11 ofhis 23 points.
- How much has MDsr lost confidence in Telfair? Well, Baron Davis didn't make a field goal in the first half, and finished the game 2 for 14. He also had 5 turnovers. And yet MDsr chose to play him 39 minutes while Bassy played 9. And you know what? It was the right decision. Baron made things happen, and dished out a season high 12 assists. But he wasn't sharp, and it would have been nice to have a viable alternative.
- In addition to Baron's first half ohfer, Marcus Camby and Al Thornton also missed all their first half shots. That's three fifiths of the Clippers starting lineup who did not make a single basket in the first half, and they didn't fare much better in the second. This was not a pretty game.
- The Clippers committed 20 turnovers, and many of them were particularly ugly, throwing the ball away and such. Fortunately for the Clippers, the Wizards matched the turnovers. But LA has to do a better job taking care of the ball. They're not a good enough team to overcome 20 turnovers.
- Free throw shooting. The Clippers were 21 for 31 on the game,includnig a keey miss by Gordon in the final seconds. This game was dangerously close to become like the Phoenix game - play well enough to win, but don't win because of a bunch of missed FTs.
At any rate, put it in the 'ugly win' column (which counts the same as the win column in the paper). The Clippers finished the current home stand a disappointing 3-3, and start a six game road trip in Minnesota on Wednesday. With the Wolves, Knicks and Sixers coming up next, the Clippers have a chance to get their record back to .500 over the next week or so. But they'll have to play better than they did tonight, because even against 'bad' teams, wins don't come as easily on the road.
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EJ's hands, Skinner's brawn
How many times tonight did Gordon knock a ball loose? The guy’s quick as lightning and soft as a feather. We should call him Thunder Charmin.
And Skinner was more than serviceable, 10 rebs in 10 min, only 1 foul. Unlike DJ, he very much looked like he knew what he was doing. I say we move him up in the depth charts.
I didn’t realize until you pointed it out, SP, how many minutes our starters logged. Where’s Mardy?
I enjoy every game that I get to see EJ play, but a win to go along with it is even better.
I enjoy watching Eric Gordon play so much that a win is just a bonus for me. Sure I want to see the team play well and get every win they can get, but I would also like to see EJ do well in every game he plays. He shoots the ball so well, he plays GREAT defense, he tells other players where to go on offense and defense. He is an all-around basketball player.
EJ still need to mature up
against tougher opponent, he’s always gone missing. I’m talking about the game against Spurs and such. Although he did play better against the Lakers in the first game. Baron really need to trust him more, and he should take care of the ball better.
by RockyMountain on Dec 15, 2009 7:59 AM PST up reply actions
I don't think he has to mature
he just needs to demand the ball more and Baron has to remember to get him the ball. I liked how EJ was bringing the ball up which made the other team have to defend Baron off the ball.
In Gordon we trust
kaman should rest a bit before the fourth quarter..he doesnt’ seem like a player than can play big minutes all the time
by Fan of the Game on Dec 15, 2009 12:16 AM PST reply actions
how about we trade for Cory Maggette? He can play SF and be the 6th man like he was last time.
by Fan of the Game on Dec 15, 2009 12:28 AM PST reply actions
I wouldn't waste our cap room on him @ $10M/year.
He could certainly help in some situations, but he’s not worth it at his price tag.
by Lawler 4ever on Dec 15, 2009 12:37 AM PST up reply actions
Might need to go back to Butler starting
We need something off the bench and our only shot if we don’t have a trade is Thornton. He might not like it but he will understand it this time around. Damn that game looked ugly. I liked the Brian Skinner sighting he is useful in taking down bigs on the other team and could be useful against the Wolves who are healing up and coming off a big win. To the same note what happen to DJ I’d rather have a Skinner and DJ frontcourt than Smith and Skinner.
+1
Despite the depths Rasual has fallen to, I still think he plays best at the 3. With our anemic bench scoring, moving Al there makes a lot of sense.
"Buckle your seat belts, folks. This one's doing down to the wire." -The inimitable Ralph Lawler.
by Gordon for President on Dec 15, 2009 9:32 AM PST up reply actions
Butler has 1 good game
And we’re ready to move him back into the starting lineup?
by Michael White on Dec 15, 2009 9:40 AM PST up reply actions
Exactly
I was thinking the same thing. Put him in at successful moments, let him build his game back up, and then we’ll start talking about starting him.
by yaggiefresh on Dec 15, 2009 10:46 AM PST up reply actions
mwhite
I don’t want to annoint Butler the starter because of one good game…it’s because our bench has been playing so badly. it’s the same reasoning for Jason Terry coming off the bench when he’s cleary a starter. We need a go-to sixth-man, Al can be that guy, especially when Blake gets back.
"Buckle your seat belts, folks. This one's doing down to the wire." -The inimitable Ralph Lawler.
by Gordon for President on Dec 15, 2009 11:50 AM PST up reply actions
What does Blake have to do with it?
They play different positions.
by Michael White on Dec 15, 2009 12:07 PM PST up reply actions
I understand that.
But Blake will be more of an offensive impact when he replaces Camby. Meaning he, EJ, BD, and Kaman will be looking for shots. It makes sense to put someone else at the 3, rather than add Al, a scorer above anything else, to that offensive mix.
"Buckle your seat belts, folks. This one's doing down to the wire." -The inimitable Ralph Lawler.
by Gordon for President on Dec 15, 2009 1:19 PM PST up reply actions
I hope you are right
Actually, I’m pretty sure you are right, Camby’s offensive game is so limited that I can’t imagine Griffin’s will be any worse.
Let’s hope its much better if the scenario you are suggesting plays out…
by Michael White on Dec 15, 2009 1:29 PM PST up reply actions
I bet it goes the other way around
with Camby and AT starting, Butler and Griffin off the bench. Regardless of what Dunleavy or anyone else might be hinting at these days, my hunch is that AT will remain a starter, and for the reasons you mention (concerning a balanced offense), Camby should be in there with him.
The next question after that is who gets to play crunch time. That one seems much more up in the air to me. Griffin should get serious minutes, but should he close over Kaman?
In the first few games I definitely believe Griffin will come off the bench.
But how long can that, or should that, last? I feel he’ll eventually start, I love Marcus, second on the team only to EJ in terms of talent and heart, but he just doesn’t have the skill set to guard power forwards. I like Griffin’s chances against the Stretch 4’s of the league (and there are LOTS of ’em).
As for crunch time, that’s a tough call. I imagine Griffin will blow Kaman away, but Kaman has years of experience (for what that’s worth). I suppose with Griffin taking minutes from Camby and Kaman, both will be fresher in the fourth, but logic goes out the window with CMDSr.’s substitution patterns.
"Buckle your seat belts, folks. This one's doing down to the wire." -The inimitable Ralph Lawler.
by Gordon for President on Dec 15, 2009 4:36 PM PST up reply actions
20 games
Let’s see where things are 20 games into the BG era. Some significant things might happen in the first 10, but after 20 we should know a lot more about him and the team and how it all fits together. We definitely learned a lot about the other players on the roster over the course of their first 20.
by citizen zhiv on Dec 16, 2009 1:50 PM PST up reply actions
A win is a win
No matter how ugly it is. I’ll take it.
Hmm... do you watch basketball?
Or simply read the results in the paper the next day?
I never understand the “a win is a win” mentality.
I watch basketball to be ENTERTAINED.
Clippers’ games are painful to watch right now.
I understand where you're coming from
I obviously prefer that we win with style, definitely. It makes the game so much more watchable and makes fans happier.
But if you ask me, I prefer getting an ugly win over an entertaining loss. In the end, what matters is your W-L record against other teams and it tells us whether playoffs can be made. So, every win counts, whether we won with style or not. At least that’s where I’m seeing it.
For this game I didn’t expect us to blow out the Wiz, I noted somewhere that we are actually 50/50 on the chance of winning. And we got the win – that’s good for me. Would I prefer that we play a more entertaining style? Obviously. But there’s going to be games like this or the Indiana one(s) where it’ll be painful to watch.
And unfortunately as much as I want to watch games I don’t have the chance to except on weekends. I’m about half a day apart from the US and they don’t televise NBA games much here (and zero Clippers games thus far). That sucks for me because I want to watch them live, but I can’t since I’m at work. I always follow the boxscore live, and that’s where I can get the info from. But that’s for another topic.
best acquisition this off season...
John Lucas.
well...
As I see it, he has a huge effect on players in these late, close game finishes. Since when have you ever seen Dunleavy or Hughes show even a bit of enthusiasm when the team on the floor approaches the bench. I sure haven’t, their typically ice cold. I’ve had coaches like that before and coaches like Lucas. And when they meet you out on the court and, in a positive way of course, shove you, chest bump you, get in your face with upbeat remarks, that can have a profound effect on how you feel when you get back on the court. Maybe not so much in a veteren like Camby, but praise and confidence in a 20 year old player like Gordon in a late-game situation where he’s the go-to guy can be extremely valuable. As a result, I don’t think it’s unfair for me to say that Lucas’s late game behavior might have been the difference between a win and a loss in several of our games this season. That doesn’t even take into account how he’s shaping players like EJ and AT at practice and off the court. Pretty much all things you wouldn’t expect from a guy like Dunleavy.
I totally agree.
Best off season acquisition the Clippers have made since Sam I am. I was at the game last night, and let me tell you – late in the 4th when we started pulling away and the Wizards called a time out, the aggressive enthusiasm displayed between John Lucas and Baron was something to see! I love it! And too believe John Lucas’ comradery with the players has translated into at least a few wins this season.
"Excellence...is not an act, but a habit" Aristotle
by Cliptomaniac on Dec 15, 2009 10:27 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
I saw that moment, BD was absolutely fired up and Lucas was there to meet him as he came to the bench.
Couldn’t help but thinking to myself we are FINALLY getting the player we thought we did in the summer of 2008.
"Buckle your seat belts, folks. This one's doing down to the wire." -The inimitable Ralph Lawler.
by Gordon for President on Dec 15, 2009 11:52 AM PST up reply actions
Well he coached us to a win in this game.
Everything starts out New, Gets Old and Dies or is Destroyed.
Ummm Dunleavy coached the team
as much as I like Lucas Dun still gets credit for the win Dunleavy never left the game (even though in the press conference it looked like he might die he looks really sick) so you can’t say Lucas coached us to a win.
In Gordon we trust
So You did not watch the Game? or the second half that is,
or you would have the facts. Sure CMDsr. gets the win on paper but JLucas got the win for the team.
Everything starts out New, Gets Old and Dies or is Destroyed.
What are you talking about?
How does this work for you?
1) You see Lucas jumping all over the place
2) The team wins
3) Therefore Lucas was responsible for the win?
I just don’t follow the logic here that Lucas is responsible for the wins while Dunleavy is responsible for the losses.
by Michael White on Dec 15, 2009 2:11 PM PST up reply actions
according to your logic
that day I wore a blue shirt, we won the blue shirt is responsible for the victory. I have no doubt that Lucas is a positive influence but he did not win us the game.
In Gordon we trust
OK, already agreed from your previous post that BSkinnz helped with the "W"
and BSkinnz has barely played this season BUT the game he played in and contributes to the “W” is the only game so far that JLuc took over visibly coaching in the second half as sure MDsr. was up but it was clear that the players were taking orders from JLuc and not Dumleavy.
You would of saw this if,
1) You saw the Game or second half
2) You were at the game in the 100 Section
3) Had half a Brain.(bare minimum)
Now I could be going out on a limb here but maybe CMDsr. finally realized that what he has been doing IS NOT working and gave JLuc the reins and what do you know a Big Fat “W”………………..
Everything starts out New, Gets Old and Dies or is Destroyed.
I sit in Section 116 row D right near the Clips bench...
…so you can’t accuse me of not being close enough to the action (which is sort of a silly argument, but since you wish to go there…) Further, I have at least three-quarters of a brain, so it sounds like I’m entitled to comment on your observations.
“it was clear that the players were taking orders from JLuc…”
What you think you are seeing as “clear” is completely subject to interpretation. For all intents and purposes, I saw exactly the same gestures and reactions but I don’t draw anywhere near that conclusion. Unless you can one-up me and tell me you crawled into the craniums of the two coaches and twelve players (and you’d have me there, since my tickets don’t allow those privileges), I think you’re out on a limb that is not worth trying to defend.
"Not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted" – Albert Einstein
by Another son of Mike Smith on Dec 15, 2009 3:17 PM PST up reply actions
Eye Doctor?
That close and you still did not Witness, that’s a same.
Everything starts out New, Gets Old and Dies or is Destroyed.
Ha.
Wonder how much THOSE tickets would cost?
"Buckle your seat belts, folks. This one's doing down to the wire." -The inimitable Ralph Lawler.
by Gordon for President on Dec 15, 2009 4:37 PM PST up reply actions
B Skinnz scored points and played D
J Lucas cheered the team on. Brian Skinner’s contributions are tangible and real, Lucas’s contribution while welcome does not produce results and in no way gives him credit for the win. Players ultimately manufacture their own inspiration and while Lucas cheering couldn’t of hurt he in no way gets credit for the win. I would say Baron’s good play making mixed with EJ’s pure amazingness (Eric Amazing Gordon?) is what won us this game not Lucas’s cheering.
In Gordon we trust
If you ask BD and EJ "Off the Record" who was more responsible for the "W" JLuc or MDsr. they would say JLuc.
Everything starts out New, Gets Old and Dies or is Destroyed.
so you can read their minds
it is okay if you think that Lucas is responsible but you can in no way state it as a fact. As I have said before I am not saying that Lucas’s energy is not welcome but there is a big difference between energy and who actually coached the team.
In Gordon we trust
The cardiac kids
These clippers are awfull but the last quarter man that was great
basketball. I’m in with Lucas all the way. Dunleavy with his boring
whistling all game and his stale play calling I rather see Lucas
cheering on our players. I think it really pumps them up.
It saddens me to type this, but I think Skinner needs to move ahead of DJ on the depth charts
Like Silverclip said earlier, he actually looked like he knew what he was doing. He was solid and in the right places at the right time. He will never take over a game, but he doesn’t hurt you either.
I’ll forget that missed point blank, wide open dunk.
You know Skinner won't...
"Buckle your seat belts, folks. This one's doing down to the wire." -The inimitable Ralph Lawler.
by Gordon for President on Dec 15, 2009 9:34 AM PST up reply actions
I'm also at my wit's end with MDSr.'s sub patterns.
During EJ’s final free throws, after missing one no less, Dunleavy pulls Kaman out and puts in Ricky Buckets. What was he possibly thinking?? Kaman needs to be in there for rebounding, what was Ricky going to do??
Beyond bizarre!
"Buckle your seat belts, folks. This one's doing down to the wire." -The inimitable Ralph Lawler.
by Gordon for President on Dec 15, 2009 9:47 AM PST reply actions
You know what I was thinking when he did that?
Playoff 2006. Clippers vs Phoenix. Clippers up by 3 with a few seconds left in the game. Dumbleavy brings in ice cold player off the bench. Clippers lose.
"Excellence...is not an act, but a habit" Aristotle
by Cliptomaniac on Dec 15, 2009 10:11 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
You left out the words "rookiee" and "height disadvantage", as well.
:(
"Buckle your seat belts, folks. This one's doing down to the wire." -The inimitable Ralph Lawler.
by Gordon for President on Dec 15, 2009 11:53 AM PST up reply actions
Impressive game by Skinner
It’s hard to tell where CMDSr is going to make his “innovations.”
He decided to stick by Butler, and was rewarded by him hitting a couple of shots. This was crucial in a game where Thornton didn’t have anything going in the first place, and then hit foul trouble. Our “what about Mardy Collins” approach suffered a significant setback. The idea of going so far as to put Butler into the starting lineup seems vaguely horrifying; let’s see him fight to keep his spot as 6th man ahead of Collins, which he can easily maintain by hitting some shots, like last night. Thornton has one bad game, but his last 10 games have been very strong.
Instead, we get a chance to consider Brian Skinner. I’ve always like Skinner, since the Clips originally drafted him as part of a string of solid Clipper power forwards (Michael Cage, Charles Smith, Loy Vaught, Lorenzen Wright, Antonio McDyess, Maurice Taylor). It turned out that he didn’t have as much offensive game as one might want, but he was still a solid banger, especially as a PF. Somewhere along the way, in a league where there are any extra highly-skilled true centers, Skinner became an acceptable backup center, able to play adequate defense. This has kept him in the league, but I’m not sure it’s the best use of his skills.
Where Skinner does a generally okay job against centers and their backups, it could be argued that he’s much better as a power forward. That’s what we got to see last night. The Clippers have been getting outrebounded rather inexplicably, even with Camby having some spectacular nights on the glass. Kaman’s rebounding has been down, although perhaps the milk is helping with that.
It’s a complicated equation, but it was good to see CMDSr making an effective change. Craig Smith provides crucial scoring on the second team. CSmith certainly isn’t solely responsible for Clipper rebounding woes, and he seems to carry his weight, more or less, on the boards. DJordan, probably a better backup center in ways than Skinner, and better against players like DHoward, is still raw and he’s not especially tenacious on defense or rebounding, not like the way he is in finishing next to the basket. Skinner doesn’t match up well against the Milsaps or Landrys, or the Rashard Lewises. But in some ways, Skinner seems capable of bringing the right mix when Camby goes out, and he’s playing alongside Kaman. And then he can still do okay when Camby returns. He’s a good sub in the right situations.
Not sure that he defended particularly well against Jamison, if that was his assignment. But the rebounding was nice to see.
These are minutes that should disappear when Griffin arrives. But it was good to see something different that actually worked.
Points of optimism
1. Last night was a good night for Clipper playoff hopes (slim as they may appear). Among those teams who lost their games were the Hornets, Grizzlies, Thunder, Warriors and Jazz. There are a pack of teams now all fighting for 10th in the Western conference.
2. In case anyone missed it, the Wizards also lost last night. Their 7-15, last place in the southeast. With a new owner and a high pay roll, I foresee a firesale. A bag full of expirings for Caron? I mean, who knows…
3. One team that won was the TWolves. This may bode well for the Clips, their next opponent. That is, Minni doesn’t seem poised to go on a winning streak. It’s more likely they’ll breathe a collective sigh of relief and come out with less intensity than they need.
4. The Clips’ subs ought to match up well against the Twolves. Telfair is good against either point guard, and Smith out to be alright against Love. They both will want to play well against their former team, and Smith has the opportunity to score against a team that’s not so tall.
5. Speaking of reserves, last night showed that Dunleavy is not unwavering in his rotations. He was right to lose confidence, as SP describes. For what it’s worth, the guy’s not completely above making adjustments.
6. Speaking of adjustments, it’s great to have EJ back, playing at full strength. Now, if either AT or Butler happens to be hitting shots, then the floor really opens up, which gives Kaman a better chance. I thought our 4th quarter last night wasn’t nearly as stagnant. The prospect of shooting options is encouraging.
Go Clips!
Did anyone hear BG's interview with lawler?
I saw Ralph tweeted about the Blake joining the broadcast in the 2nd quarter, anyone here what they talked about?
I heard it
The only thing that struck me was that Ralph aksed him why the date had been pushed back and Griffin said that 6-8 weeks is the time it took for the knee to heal, not the time to get him back on the court. That was odd because I’m pretty sure (I’m a little busy at work or I would look it up) Steve Perrin specifically asked this question to MDsr who said that 6-8 weeks was the time frame for Blake getting back to work, not the timeframe for him to start practicing.
by Michael White on Dec 15, 2009 10:51 AM PST up reply actions
That's accurate..
I believe Steve made it really clear and Dunleavy answered without hesitation.
by Newton Pham on Dec 15, 2009 11:06 AM PST up reply actions
Lawler was on 980 after the game last night
and he said that Blake is scheduled for an MRI on December 23rd. After that he’ll have an idea as to how much more he can do. According to Lawler the Clippers have also just bought an anti-gravity machine that will help Blake to workout without putting much pressure on his knee. Lawler also said that when he asked Blake if he’ll be back on the court in January Blake said, “absolutely.”
by yaggiefresh on Dec 15, 2009 11:17 AM PST up reply actions
John Lucas
He seriously needs to be the coach. The players especially BD feeds off his energy and you can immediately see a change in the way the rest of the club plays. MDsr reminds me of Gargamel while Lucas is more of a Poppa Smurf.
+Infinity
"Buckle your seat belts, folks. This one's doing down to the wire." -The inimitable Ralph Lawler.
by Gordon for President on Dec 15, 2009 11:56 AM PST up reply actions
Did Lucas not have energy during the Clippers 13 losses?
by Michael White on Dec 15, 2009 12:07 PM PST up reply actions
I think you're missing the point.
I was merely saying he’s there, he’s engaged, he’s pumping life and purpose into the games. Of course he’s not going to effect the outcome of all 23 games! But I’d say the silly question you posed might say 17 losses instead of 13 if it weren’t for Lucas’s presence.
by ClipperAlex on Dec 15, 2009 12:26 PM PST up reply actions
My question isn't silly
Because I’ve noticed behavior here where people attribute wins to Lucas and losses to Dunleavy.
And your response of just picking a number and saying that Lucas accounts for 4 wins on his own is silly because you just picked a number out of nowhere.
by Michael White on Dec 15, 2009 12:29 PM PST up reply actions
plus 1
Who knows what Lucas brings on the bench and in the locker room? He certainly hasn’t proved to be a superior head coach at his other stops.
I think sometimes his rah-rah, in-your-face style looks overbearing. It didn’t look to me like Eric Gordon was enjoying it all that much. You don’t see Adelman or Popovich acting like cheerleaders do you?
And you don't see Phil Jackson ever standing...
Differen coaches, different coaching styles. D’Antoni is always riled up, and Popovich constantly needs to be checked for a pulse. Both very good coaches, still.
"Buckle your seat belts, folks. This one's doing down to the wire." -The inimitable Ralph Lawler.
by Gordon for President on Dec 15, 2009 1:33 PM PST up reply actions
You could also use the Van Gundy brothers
they were both pretty successful while being very energetic and into the game.
In Gordon we trust
Have you noticed the fact that
the team is totally disorganized, has horrible offensive and defensive schemes, and only pulled that victory out (of their a)(*^&^) because of sheer determination of BD and Kaman? Jeez – the Wiz’ offense was for most of the game much crisper and far better organized.
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
There are two different points here
1) As I posted elsewhere on this board, I was not happy about the way the game was coached. Everything is not a defense of Dunleavy.
2) There is absolutely no reason to believe that Lucas is a better coach than Dunleavy. He might be, but I’m not going to look at his antics on the sidelines and assume that his shouting was the reason for the victory. Your point about it being on BD and Kaman makes much more sense to me.
When the club moves on from the Mike Dunleavy era, I really hope they don’t select a guy based on the amount of jumping around he does. Maybe they could base it on, like actual coaching things (sets, subsitutions, etc.) The jumping around and all is just a sideshow (IMO.)
by Michael White on Dec 15, 2009 3:05 PM PST up reply actions
True dat - I wasn't trying to say Lucas was better
I agree with you there. Lucas might have had something to do with firing the two of them up, but it ain’t gonna work against a good team unless someone teaches them how to play good NBA basketball consistently. That game was painful to watch. See Spurs.
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
The jumping around and all is just a sideshow
Exactly why he makes a good assistant coach. He doesn’t have the pressure and responsibilities of a head coach and can be all buddy, buddy with the team.
I love how he gets into the game and acts as our “cheerleader” but that’s no reason to crown him head coach.
by dulciusEXasperis on Dec 15, 2009 3:26 PM PST up reply actions
Lucas could not do what he does as a coach
As an assistant coach you can do all the cheerleading and player relations, but it is different when you become the actual coach.
Van Gundy's
are good examples. Apart from EJ and Kaman (I could be wrong about EJ) the rest of the starting line up has a fierce side. I think they play better when somebody lights a fire under them and they start running instead of over thinking plays. If they can somewhat emulate what the Warriors did when BD was there, it would probably be less painful to watch the games. Last night they managed to win but it was still pretty damn brutal to watch. Wether Lucas coaches or not he brings positivity to the table and the Clips needs some kind of change in their system. I wanna see MDsr get out of the coaching position along with Ricky Davis going to another team.
by Boogymonster on Dec 15, 2009 2:19 PM PST up reply actions
It's clear that Lucas's positive energy is helping.
The Clippers don’t seem to be the type of team that can play well without some external emotional stimuli. It might not be professional, or even very mature; but it is what it is. And John Lucas seems to provide that missing emotional element, at times, to get the Clippers “over the hump” at critical junctures during games. Although I must admit, his behavior might not be becoming of a head coach in the NBA.
"Excellence...is not an act, but a habit" Aristotle
by Cliptomaniac on Dec 15, 2009 4:27 PM PST up reply actions
Bassy's Problem right now
is confidence. Bassy has had his moments, but he’s also been ineffective at times. Early in the season, he was attacking a lot more, finishing at the cup and making plays in the paint. Lately he’s been making a lot of perimeter passes and settling for midrange jumpers. I wonder if there is a disconnect, where Dunleavy is giving him mixed signals, but then gets frustrated when Bassy isn’t producing, even though Bassy needs to run to get in the paint in a half-court set to be effective.
Even off misses, Dunleavy seems reluctant to let this team run w Bassy. WTF is his deal? It’s also tough to get in a groove when your minutes are fluctuating from night to night and you know you’re getting yanked at any second. If you know you’ll get your 18 to 20 MPG no matter what, you’ll be more inclined to be aggressive. Bassy is playing scared and it’s turning into a vicious cycle.
It’s just not sustainable to play your starters 35 to 40 minutes every single game. Baron is begging Dunleavy to trust his bench a little more. Maybe with increased playing time, the second unit will be able to gel a little more.
I thought Bassy played a bit over his head to start the year
He has never been a particularly good shooter yet he started out on fire with his jumper. He has started to regress to the mean quite a bit in this regard which is too bad but it shouldn’t have been unexpected. He is what he is.
Though, I guess I could take the approach you did and just automatically, no matter what, assume that Dunleavy is the prblme.
by Michael White on Dec 15, 2009 12:38 PM PST up reply actions
Maybe the problem isn't so much Bassy's lack of minutes
but the squad he’s playing with. Without stats, but just based on what I’ve seen, I’d much rather have him playing among our starters, or at least the majority of them. In other words, rotate him in earlier (or later), rather than just sticking him out there with Smith, DJ, Butler et al. Personally, I feel I’ve seen enough of our 2nd unit (as a whole) to judge them poorly. But to be fair, I should probably take a look at the stats. Namely, does Telfair play better in certain player combinations. It’s the kind of thing that Dunleavy should be looking at, too.
Telfair is an assist first point guard
so naturally his stats will go up if he’s playing with the first unit. But frankly, he’s not good enough to warrant that.
But ya, this whole “line change” thing that MDsr has been doing should probably be tempered a bit. Last night it was all reserves plus Thornton. That being said, perhaps having that crap-tastic lineup (and Butler usually qualifies) allowed the starters to come back in (all at once) and punish the Washington second unit, which they did.
by Michael White on Dec 15, 2009 12:57 PM PST up reply actions
You're question is silly because...
you’re implying that the only scenario worth giving Lucas credit is if the Clippers were 23-0. That’s silly.
I said “might”, there’s no way to account for it, he’s on the bench, he doesn’t put the ball in the basket. One can only speculate on the effect he has on the team this season. Which is what we’re doing here. I didn’t say it was a fact that he’s winning games for us. It’s just pretty evident to anyone watching that you can see his effect on the players, which in turn may effect the outcome of close games.
I didn't do that whatsoever
You might want to notice that my respone above (with Lucas wins added or whatever) was not actually addressed to your original comment. In fact, I had no beef with your comment. You were saying that you appreciate Lucas’s energy and you thought he was a good pick up. All I asked you was for clarification and you gave that.
I responded to a different poster who suggested that Lucas should be the head coach.
by Michael White on Dec 15, 2009 12:40 PM PST up reply actions
true...
you’re right. I know you didn’t respond directly to me, but I took it as inderectly addressing the same topic. I apologize, I din’t notice the nuance of him being head coach in the prevoius comment. I just saw that you downplayed his relivance and energy by implying that becasue they lost 13 times he couldn’t have a hand in any wins.
But, yeah. Head coach is a whole nother topic. Sorry for the confusion, mwhite.
by ClipperAlex on Dec 15, 2009 12:52 PM PST up reply actions
Without BSkinnz and JLucas we get the "L" in this game.
Everything starts out New, Gets Old and Dies or is Destroyed.
maybe BSkinnz but JLucas didn't win us this game
did he help bring up the energy level of the team,probably, did he write up the plays or do anything tangible to help us win, probably not.
In Gordon we trust
You want to know why Bassy is "regressing"?
He gets absolutely no minutes! I believe he was a starter for the Wolves and Dunleavy gives him so few minutes hes probably very frustrated. I would be too!
That is a coaching problem…although honestly I don’t see how Lucas is a better coach….we really don’t know. I guess some people can be inspired by an old codger jumping on one leg on the sidelines but I’m not sure about this Clipper team.
Just watch the first 3 quarters if you dont believe me.
Wow you guys really
need to shut up and just enjoy. Analyze at the end of the season or half of a season. What’s up with the mouth fight. One or two games don’t mean anything. Analyze at the end of the season – you’ll enough sample to base on. I don’t care if it’s been six years of CMDSr, maybe this year he’s changed. Just be supportive or shut up.
In the mean time, if things are bad, hope that somebody will change them and make them good. If it’s good keep on cheering. It’s not like if you express your opinion, or oppose others’ opions it’ll make things better – you’ve been doing it for six years and nothing has changed, haven’t you learn enough already? Maybe you can express things at the season ticket holder meeting or something like that, but you want to argue here too? What you have proof that the owner or the GM reads this blog?
Seriously, stop arguing this or that. State an opinion and move on.
Your telling people
on a blog to shut up? I don’t think Steve would enjoy an empty comment section.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Dec 16, 2009 10:50 AM PST up reply actions

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