Clippers 112 - Philadelphia 107 - Overtime - Improbable
As the game was nearing it's final conclusion, Ralph Lawler said "What looked like it was going to be an improbable loss turns into an improbable win." He's probably right. The Clippers came uncomfortably close to losing a game in which they had a big first half lead for the second consecutive night. How close? Try less than a tenth of a second close.
Andre Iguodala's jump shot at the buzzer was originally ruled the game winner. MDsr and several Clipper players headed to the locker room, and Milph were lamenting the heartbreaking loss, originally believing that the standard review of any buzzer-beater was a mere formality. As it happens, the refs ruled that the ball was still touching Iggy's fingers as time expired, nullifying the basket and sending the game into overtime. It seems like every season there are several of these "so close you can't even tell with a replay what the right call is" shots. This one was so close, that from some angles I think it was gone in time, and from other angles I think it was not.
I would say that the Clippers caught a huge break there, and of course they did. But don't lose sight of how lucky the shot was in the first place. As Iguodala was making his move, Eric Gordon knocked the ball free. The ball was loose with 2 seconds showing on the clock, so the idea that Iguodala was able to regain possession, turn and drain a long jumper in time was unlikely in the extreme.
I will say this about the NBA's replay review process - they don't get hung up in NFL-style "indisputable visual evidence" and "ruling on the field stands" crap. They make the call to the best of their ability based on the replay, end of story. How many times have you seen a call stand in the NFL, when you're pretty certain it should have been reversed? More to the point, a lot of NFL calls would be left unchanged, regardless of what was called on the field. The replays aren't always as conclusive as you want them to be, and the NFL's rule is when in doubt, don't change the call. But if you've already stopped the game, why not get the call right, regardless of what they said in real time? If they applied the NFL's standards in this game, the shot is good and Philly wins. Lucky for us, they don't do it that way in the NBA.
I'm not going to get into a lot about the tale of two halves tonight. Suffice it to say that, in this game, it seemed much more about the Sixers than about the Clippers, at least to me. I didn't think the Clippers looked like an offensive juggernaut in the first half - what I saw was terrible Philadelphia defense. One pump fake and a drive to the basket seemed to be all it took for the Clippers to get layups the entire first half. That wasn't there in the second half (nor of course should it have been there in the first). So yeah, a 60 point half followed by a 39 point half seems like a big problem - but it seemed to me that the 60 was the real outlier.
You could feel the lead slipping away during one segment in the third. Baron Davis thought he was fouled on one end, and as he was chirping at the ref, his man got into the lane and threw an alley-oop to Iguodala that energized the sparse crowd and the Sixers team. Baron compounded his mistake of not getting back on defense by picking up a technical foul. Then, when a Thornton dunk was taken away because of a shot clock violation, the Sixers made a rare three. Just like that, in two possessions and about 30 seconds, the Clippers 12 point lead was cut in half.
With Chris Kaman out of the game at the end of regulation after picking up his sixth foul, the Clippers went to Al Thornton on consecutive crucial possessions in the final minute. Going against a terrific defender in Iguodala, Thornton delivered two game tying buckets. I don't like the Clippers' tendency to go exclusively to isos in the final minutes of close games, but Thornton delivered tonight.
In addition to Thornton's final minute heroics, the Clippers got terrific games from several players. They had six players in double figures, and three 20-10 games - albeit three different combinations of 20 and 10. Baron Davis had 20 points and 13 assists - the third game in the last four he's had 12 or more; Chris Kaman had 24 points and 11 rebounds - his fourth consecutive 20 point game; and Marcus Camby had 11 points and a season-high 22 rebounds. Camby's now fourth in the NBA in rebuonding, and closing in on the guys ahead of him. He's also fourth in blocked shots. Rasual Butler and Eric Gordon also had solid games.
A few other random thoughts on this game:
- Who is Marreese Speights? Speights had a career high 28 points, and appears to be an absolute beast, particularly if he can really make those shots and it wasn't just a fluke. He's got size, athleticism and a terrific jump shot and appears to be on his way to real stardom. The amazing thing is that Philadelphia has some great young pieces like Speights and Thaddeus Young - but with the contracts and Brand and Dalembert and Iguodala around, they have no flexibility to shape the roster right now.
- Speights is 22, but he made a veteran move a couple of times. Facing the basket, if the defender has his hands out, twice he swept his arms through the defender to start his shot, drawing a two shot foul. In fact, the foul he drew on Kaman was his sixth, so that was a doubly important play. I say it's a veteran move, but it goes beyond that - there are very few players in the league who make that play consistently, one of them being Kobe Bryant. I don't like the play - given all the contact refs allow near the basket, I find it strange that they would award two free throws on what is essentially a gimmick move, since these 'shooters' aren't really shooting at all, but rather specifically hunting for a foul call. But as long as referees fall for it, it's a very effective technique. And I sure don't know any other 22 year olds who do it.
- Former Clipper Elton Brand looked good on offense. His mid range game was very much on tonight, especially in the third quarter. But he's physically not the same player he was. Three rebounds in 35 minutes is just not something that ever used to happen with him.
- The lane violation called on Al Thornton in the fourth quarter was flat wrong, and wasn't even particularly close to right. I'm always amazed when a ref decides to make a call you almost never see, and then they get it wrong. I mean, this guy went out of his way to get the call completely wrong. Obviously, that point could have proven pretty significant in a game that went into overtime.
- As if to taunt Clipper fans, the Sixers had two players in this game back from injury AHEAD of schedule. Speights suffered a partial tear of his MCL and was supposed to be out for six to eight weeks - he was back in less than five. Lou Williams got his jaw broken November 24th and was supposed to be out eight weeks. He played tonight after fewer than four weeks out. These guys were playing weeks after the season had started, had recoveries estimated to be about the same if not longer than Griffin's, and their back while Blake still sits. What the heck?
The road trip gets decidedly more difficult now as the Clippers head to Texas. First stop is Monday at the AT&T Center in San Antonio, where they have never won. It's nice to get a close win, but as tough as this was, you can be pretty sure it will be a lot tougher on Monday.
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if you look at the recap from nba.com there’s a still of the shot and its clear he did not get the shot in time.
http://www.nba.com/video/games/sixers/2009/12/19/0020900386_lac_phi_recap.nba/index.html
it looked like his finger tip was still touching
i was at home yelling at the refs that it was too close of a call to end the game on. gotta let them play it out some more
by baron davis' beard on Dec 20, 2009 6:54 AM PST reply actions
Speights
is actually really solid, last night wasn’t a fluke. I think he’ll be great in this league, he’s averaging like 14 and 7 on the season
Is the curse gone?
I’ve been a Clippers fan for 31 years, and I’ve never seen them catch a break like that. Ever. (Except for the ping-pong ball last spring in Seacaucus, of course.) Maybe FElton took it with him to Philly…
Amazing
Good point—that’s still the gold standard. But the Knicks got some of it back when the Clips didn’t show up for the second half on Saturday night.
by citizen zhiv on Dec 20, 2009 7:35 PM PST up reply actions
Is it me?
Or did it look like Philly didn’t even show up for overtime. i feel a little cheap coming away with a victory like, it must have been tough for Philadelphia to regain the adrenaline they had before OT after the closure of feeling like the game was over.
And what’s going on with EJ? He’s looked more lost out there in the last few games than I’ve ever seen him. He’s had his stretches in those games where he’s played well, but something feels off about his play.
Still Developing
A few people have commented here that he still has some growing up to do, and I myself have noticed how he tends to get down on himself when he makes a bad play or two which can lead to more bad play.
The kid is still a few days away from being 21, for how talented he is, there’s still a little bit of a maturation process that has to take place.
Philly wasn't in it because
it is very hard to make any effort after you think you just won the game.
In Gordon we trust
by bestclipfan on Dec 20, 2009 11:01 AM PST up reply actions
Isn't it also hard
to make an effort after you think you’ve blown a second consecutive game where you had a nice lead? Or, isn’t it hard to overcome a big deficit, as some teams have done against us lately?
I thought Philly’d surf their energy-wave to a crushing victory, leaving our Clippers as flotsam and jetsam, or vice versa.
Isn’t overcoming adversity the theme of every sports-flick ever made? And the core of the ‘sports-as-metaphor-for-life’ rationalization for the amount of money and thought we put into sports.
Heck, I find it hard to get up some mornings. Most mornings. Okay, every d*mn morning!
It is harder to
come back and play hard when you feel you have been given a second chance then it is to come back after you think you are done and are already celebrating. It is a psychological thing it is much easier keep going when you thought every thing has gone wrong and you have a chance to make it right then it is to go back after you think you have done everything right and then are suddenly told that you have to back out and play more.
In Gordon we trust
Psychological or not
this should be Dunleavy’s job to moltivate his players for the full 48 mins and some instead of walking out while the last shot is under review.
actually he was walking to the locker room
to see the replay so he was still doing his job, but yeah it is his job to motivate the team and keep them in it.
In Gordon we trust
by bestclipfan on Dec 20, 2009 11:29 PM PST up reply actions
Watch or not
he should have waited with his players outside for the play to be under review. I don’t believe in Dunleavy’s bullcrap anymore…
I dont know what you guys want from EJ?
I guess we could have picked Mayo. I mean he did go 5-19 from the floor tonight. Gordon is playing just fine.
Please just everyone stop with the “what is wrong with Gordon?” “Is Gordon injured or sick?” and “Gordon needs to mature.”
He is a very, very, very good young 20 year old shooting guard. If we didn’t have him we might have less than 5 wins.
Im going to assume
what everyone means by “Gordon needs to mature” is that Gordon is only 20. When he’s “mature” and more developed, his game is going to be more polished. He’s going to throw better passes, he’s going to recover from bad plays easier, and he’s going to be an even bigger contributer. I don’t think any of us is hoping for Mayo instead of Gordon, as clearly we get a steal either way with the 7th pick. At 20 (almost 21), Gordon is doing great and has more years ahead of him to mature into a bettery player.
+ 1
Also, no one is saying they prefer Mayo over Gordon, which quite frankly wouldn’t have even been feasible seeing as Mayo was picked third overall, and Gordon picked 7th. What I think people have been getting used to is a high standard for EJ, and so we are holding that as rule. No shame in that, the boy’s got serious talent.
by MarekTheBrave on Dec 21, 2009 8:55 AM PST up reply actions
EJ hit hard by SP reverse mojo
You’re totally right—something’s up with Gordon. Nothing major. It just looks like he’s trying to shake off the intense reverse mojo SP put on him with the Optimism post. It seems at times like he’s trying to shake it out of his body, and other times the ball just slips away from him inexplicably. He’s going to be fine, and had a nice game, hitting 3s early and getting to the hoop a bunch of times, but he was skittish at times and had another bad turnover in crunch time. But he knocked the ball away from Iggy and maybe that single fingertip Iggy had on the ball when the light went on is the turning point, Gordon’s mojo is restored after we messed with it earlier in the week.
by citizen zhiv on Dec 20, 2009 7:34 PM PST up reply actions
Agreed
we are being very nit-picky here with our promising young SG. Yes, he still has a way to go in developing his all around game (better rebounding, ball-handling and passing) but given his youth I think he can improve on these stats a bit. He’ll never be a Lebron type dynamo but I think he could easily be a Mitch Richmond/Ray Allen type for many years. Couple that with the next Karl Malone (Blake Griffin) and we have a tandem 90% of the league would die for.
FA in 2010.
by ClipperChuck on Dec 20, 2009 9:39 PM PST up reply actions
I was thinking more like Hakeem Olajuwon meets Larry Bird, but yours makes more sense.
by MarekTheBrave on Dec 21, 2009 8:58 AM PST up reply actions
Improbable is right!
I tuned the game in with only a minute or so left on the clock (too much going on this holiday season). I saw the shot go in and the look of wounded disbelief on Eric Gordon’s face. Not wanting to immerse myself in the misery of the loss, I immediately shut off the television, believing the Clips had lost again. Later, when my wife was deleting events from the DVR she asked if I wanted to save the Knicks and 76er’s games… neither of which I’d seen. I said “No,” without thinking about it.
This morning, I very casually wandered over here expecting to see the usual hand-wringing and Dunleavy-bashing. Only… not. That was weird.
I'll take the win
And just to clarify, I do not engage in MDSr bashing. I just don’t think he’s a good coach. However, if they can string together a number of wins, I’ll reconsider.
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
Wasn't aimed at you, Jax...
Your posts are generally three dimensional and thoughtful… and I get why people are unhappy with MD. For the record, I’m disappointed in the coach too. But I get tired of people who only see it one way and who deny the historical changes Dunleavy has instilled in the organization.
But in the long run, is that enough? No. As you have pointed out on multiple occasions, the only way to measure Clipper management is by achievement. And there is clearly not enough of that.
(Of course now there’s someone on the board who insists that John Lucas actually coached the team to victories… as though exuberance and cheerleading were the secrets to success. Absurd. I choose to completely ignore that stuff.)
The problem is
Dunleavy is asking for a full roster. But then we also have to consider that Dunleavy should be able to work with what’s he got instead of relying on his rookie PF. His ROOKIE PF?!?! A guy who hasn’t played a single minute professionally. It doesn’t make sense. I’m sure we’ve been able to string up 3/4 games recently, and its great, but we won against generally easy teams. The only team that is going to the playoffs that we beat was Denver this season.
And let’s not forget that we blew 3 games where we led by atleast 20 in the first half. (This game counts as one, we blew it, and BARELY made it out alive. Thanks .3 second timeframe!) Its pretty inexcusable if Dunleavy is incapable of holding onto a 20 point lead 3 times in one season. I’m sure it happens, but Dunleavy we’re still barely in the beginning/ middle.
Not to mention that the players are starting to question Dunleavy’s roster rotations. I remember in someone’s fanpost, there was a link where certain players were questioning Telfairs role of 12 mins a game. Then theres also Craig Smith not playing in a game at all. I’m sure he’s small, and sometimes become a liability, but it seems like Dunleavy is really limiting Smiths mins.
Oh, and Dunleavy is boring and predictable. I’m sure its repeated over and over again. But I want to see more pick and rolls. Chris Duhon absolutely killed us on those. Maybe its time we played the way our quality starting pg wants to play.
you can't completely blame Dun for losing leads
all Dunleavy can do is change lineups it is up to the players not to lose focus. Not that I wouldn’t be very happy if I woke up tomorrow to find out that Dunleavy had been fired.
In Gordon we trust
by bestclipfan on Dec 20, 2009 11:30 PM PST up reply actions
The problem is
it’s the coach who rearranges the lineups and draw plays up to attempt to control the flow of the game. If something is not working, its time to figure out whats wrong. You can’t put 100% of the lose to the players, and same goes that you can’t put 100% of the loss on the coach. But Dunleavy has equally the amount of blame to be put on as the players.
Again!
Didn’t you already take one for the team in similar fashion this year, swam?
Every one of these victories is crucial. This one was right on the very brink of disaster, especially coming off the debacle against the Knicks.
by citizen zhiv on Dec 20, 2009 7:30 PM PST up reply actions
ESPN said they had lost
so I went out to dinner! Hahaha. What an amazing surprise when I read the sports page this morning. :-)!!!
disgusted with MDSR
was anyone else pissed to see Dunleavy not even wait for the replay and leave the court, nba coaches are notorius for coaching till the very end calling timeouts to run certain plays in blowouts, terrible that he would just give up on the game so soon, just another reason to dislike him….where is craig smith he hasnt played in the last couple of games
Actually...
In an interview after the game he said he was going to the locker room to review the tape himself. So ya…
Liar.
He is a liar. Totally disgusting move. If he has no faith, how are the players supposed to? I can only hope the guys can do their best to function under MDSr. and not let his attitude and ineptitde affect them too much.
Not even challenging a VERY close shot. WTF.
"Buckle your seat belts, folks. This one's doing down to the wire." -The inimitable Ralph Lawler.
by Gordon for President on Dec 21, 2009 9:24 AM PST up reply actions
*don't forget about Jrue
Damn iPhone
Jrue holliday should be included with there young core. He played solid ball in the games that he started
by AtotheZ on Dec 20, 2009 12:24 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
FElton review
FElton seems like a troubled, exiled character in a fairy tale at this point. Talk about your bad mojo. It’s like he’s big and creaky and struggling, lost and suffering but eating well and trying to be happy with his bank account and living close to home.
Was anybody else thinking about how FElton lost the best thing he ever had in spurning Dunleavy? It was obvious, somehow, that Dunleavy and his boring, grind-it-out system, and his treatment of FElton as a star was the perfect situation for him. Now, with Young and Speights and Iggy on the roster, and Eddie Jordan as a coach who is not going to try to slow things down and overpower other teams, or give FElton special treatment and spoonfeed him, FElton just looks lost and distracted and confused.
Last night it almost seemed like FElton was looking around and he saw Kaman and Dunleavy and he remembered how he liked to play. He started pulling up and hitting his shot, just like the old days. But he can’t run and fly around like he was doing in 05-06, after two years of bad injuries.
Kind of worth noting that Dunleavy got the best out of FElton, as we saw in 05-06. But part of it was the way that he treated him, as the absolute centerpiece of the team. MDSr wanted to build the team around him and brought in BDavis, but FElton left. It seems pretty clear that he didn’t realize that things might be different going to a new team and a new system. The funny thing, of course, is that they paid so much for him, and now he’s an albatross there.
I didn’t see any of this quite so clearly until last night. Dunleavy and FElton were really well-suited. I think Dunleavy did everything he could to push and ride FElton to new Clipper heights, but it didn’t happen. Dunleavy moved on immediately, and the Clips, after a very tough season last year, are arguably in much much better shape now.
And FElton is other there, stumbling around in the wilderness.
by citizen zhiv on Dec 20, 2009 7:55 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
You're a funny guy Zhiv
EB knew the reality, which is that MDSr could never lead him to the promised land. That’s the cunundrum if you will. Do you want to play for a bad coach, in a system, that you know will never be a winner, simply because you’re the focus of that flawed system.
I don’t think so. And your claims about karma are based on MDSr’s version of things, which is not accurate.
Having said that, I like the dramatic aspects of your largely fictional post though.
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
Always happy to amuse
The fact is that MDSr got FElton pretty close to promised land—one shot away from the WCF.
Do you want to play in that flawed system, where you’re the focus? The answer is probably yes, all other things being equal, starting with money.
I’m not sure the system is flawed, actually, for playoff basketball. It’s based on matching up, defending, and overpowering opponents, it’s not adaptive, and it’s challenged by alternative systems, but with solid personnel it can be quite effective.
The karma side doesn’t matter, and yes, it’s based on speculation, or fiction, and it’s fiction itself. But again, after two injuries and in an organization where he isn’t the focal point, FElton is lumbering around, ineffective, frustrated, and somewhat lost. Maybe he’ll find his “niche,” as Eddie Jordan puts it, as the season progresses, but after watching the game it looks to be a limited one.
And he ain’t going to the promised land anytime soon.
The funny thing is that rather than leading a team to the so-called promised land, FElton is perhaps even more likely to get there in a couple of years as a second tier bench player, a la McDyess, Bill Walton on the Bird Celtics, or Rasheed on the current Celtics. Perhaps even on his own current team, the way things are going, if Young and Speights become unstoppable.
by citizen zhiv on Dec 21, 2009 7:49 AM PST up reply actions
Hmmm
I think that the way they lost that WCF proved that he’d never be able to get there with MDSr as coach. That’s the tipping point for me as well.
We disagree on whether most would want to play for a perennial loser like the Clippers when they can play elsewhere. I think I have the better argument there.
Did he take his health for granted? Clearly.
I think any system that produces sub .400 results over 7 years is fatally flawed. There really should be no debate on that point.
I don’t think that EB’s health issues are funny. Oh and MDSr isn’t doing any better than he is. EB is a big boy. I’m sure he’ll be fine.
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
Okay
Not sure I want to debate this too thoroughly, but it seems like an interesting topic and phenomenon. I’m willing to concede all of the usual points: that Dunleavy isn’t a good coach, that the Clips organization has critical, perhaps even fatal flaws.
First off, I agree that his health issues aren’t funny. We ourselves struggled with that in 0708. There’s some irony in FElton’s situation and his failure to thrive, but the factor that injuries have played in it all is unfortunate and a bummer.
There’s a difference, however, between injuries, rehab, and conditioning. We remember the leap forward that FElton made in 0506, after committing himself to Dunleavy’s fitness program. We’ve seen Kaman get similar results a couple of times now, and Baron Davis has turned his fitness around, although Dunleavy shouldn’t receive too much credit for all this. But FElton’s conditioning 2 years/30 months after injuring his achilles doesn’t look very good. The way that his strength has returned after hurting his shoulder is a different question, hard for us to judge.
It seems to me that Dunleavy got the best out of FElton. His 0506 bump speaks to that. That’s an important factor, to go along with the way that Dun made him the focal point, and played a style and ran an offense that suited him perfectly. The question is whether FElton could have known and appreciated these factors. It’s pretty sophisticated thinking, a hard way to see the future. It’s unlikely he would have thought he was so vulnerable. Much easier for him to assume he would beat up the Eastern conference, make the all-star team, and provide a missing ingredient to Iggy, Thad Young, Andre Miller, and Dalembert.
I think we speculated at the time FElton shouldn’t run back to Andre Miller, and Dalembert seemed inferior to Kaman.
But your main point is the question of playing for a perennial loser like the Clippers, with their poor results and flaws. FElton’s situation is unique. It turns out that he was especially well-suited to Dunleavy and his style and system. Add in the way that FElton probably played a role in Baron Davis deciding to sign with the same organization.
We disagree. My own view is that FElton was taking a much bigger chance by switching systems and coaches than he realized at the time. Getting BDavis, Dunleavy was trying to deliver the player he thought FElton and the team needed to go further than before.
In most cases, the Clippers would seem—at the time—an inferior choice. But FElton’s case was specific.
And one wonders about the way things are now. Are the Clippers, with Gordon, Griffin, Kaman, BDavis, DJordan and Dunleavy somehow still the coach an inferior free agency choice?
by citizen zhiv on Dec 21, 2009 5:27 PM PST up reply actions
You're right about the fact
that he was taking a chance by switching to the East. But I suspect he knew that at the time he left. He just didn’t want to play for MDSr and the Clippers any more. As I predicted several months earlier. People don’t want to play for perennial losers.
What I don’t think you understand is that the players on the Clippers, while they are on the Clippers, think MDSr sucks. I remember talking to EB in 06-07 at a chance meeting at the Spectrum / practice facility. He was too classy to come out and say he thinks MDSr sucks but he rolled his eyes a couple of times when discussing the guy.
So it’s not just about the “system.” It’s really about the fact that MDSr is not well thought of by his peers, whether at the coaching level (see G. Karl, who actually verbalized it) or amongst the players (see the lack of free agent signings).
You ask whether the Clippers with the current crop of players (the best of which they only got because of MDSr’s inability to coach) are somehow more attractive to free agents? The clear answer is no. The team needs a sea change.
Given that it’s pretty obvious that we need a sea change, I find it quite humorous that so many of the most vocal posters on this site continue to support the current regime. There’s a fascinating psychological study in there somewhere.
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
Excellent post...
Rec’d. Kind of a reverse fairy tale as Jax suggests. There is something dream-like about EB’s career and his relationship with Dun. It seems like they’ve both suffered without each other.
Yes and no
Yes, in the sense of where they were last year—until Dunleavy and the Clips won the lottery, at which point Dun’s luck changed.
Dunleavy wasn’t sitting around, however, bringing in Camby and Randolph after drafting Eric Gordon. Last year was horrible, of course, with the BDavis debacle and Kaman’s injury, etc. But the Clips seem fairly solid—as solid as Dunleavy can make them—now, with Griffin on the way.
FElton has a much bigger mountain to climb at this point.
by citizen zhiv on Dec 21, 2009 1:29 PM PST up reply actions
did anyone notice, that dunleavy’s suit last night wasn’t the usual used furniture salesman plaid, but was all black, with a white shirt, and black tie.
he could have been a limo driver last night.
I think Kim Hughes is taking all his bad suits
When we played the Knicks Kim was wearing a lime green suit that was just plain ugly.
In Gordon we trust
MD's suits...
His suits are bad… but it’s his shirts and ties that really suck. The high color, the big knot. He should hire an assistant coach for fashion.
While we’re on fashion, is there an uglier floor than Minnesota? Has it always looked like that?
Same suit he wore in the Garden
Might have even been the same shirt, but he probably got two of those white collar, black pinstripe guys when he got the new suit. CMDSr figured, New York, holiday time, time to break out the new black suit, sprucing it up with striped shirts. Can’t remember the ties, but I wish I wasn’t noticing lame stuff like this anyway. Somehow or other, Dunleavy always manages to look mediocre to poor in his always basic wardrobe, rather than a highly paid NBA former player and coach. It’s probably just a matter of being rather generically Irish, the eyes a bit beady, the red face, his nonstop yelling and pleading. You would think that a former elite athlete, who seems to be in fairly good shape still, would look a little sharper.
by citizen zhiv on Dec 21, 2009 1:20 PM PST up reply actions
I actually turned the tv off
I was so disgusted with back to back blown leas losses that I turned the tv off.
Thankfully my brother called me and told me the call was reversed.
Hopefully we can steal the game in Houston.
It’s nice to see rasual get going over the last few games, gettting some offense off the bench is huge. I hope we move kaman to the bench to the bench when Blake comes back. Having sool and kaman on the bench should guarantee scoring and spacing.
by The Blake Griffin Era on Dec 20, 2009 9:35 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Brand for monta
I live in the bay and have freinds that are warrior fans, we discuss this all the time.
I think eb for Ellis makes a lot of sense for both teams.
by The Blake Griffin Era on Dec 20, 2009 9:38 PM PST via mobile reply actions
This would be terrible for Golden State...
Elton is a much worse contract, and if Elton can’t keep up with the fast pace Philly wants to play, he sure as heck won’t be able to keep up in Golden State. I think the Warriors can get much more for Monta, or at least not take back a really bad contract like Elton’s.
Yay yay.
After watching Philly play, I'm really glad we have Dunleavy instead of Eddie Jordan...
The 76ers sure got a lot of Bench points last night. Eddie Jordan starts Willy Green and Samuel Dalembert, and sits Eltron and Spreights… The sixers could have a starting five of one of their point guards, Iguodala, Thaddeus, Brand, and Speights (which would actually be pretty good), but they instead have one of their point guards, willie green, iguodala, thaddeus, and Dalembert (which is not so good). After watching Eddie do that, I am glad I get to deal with Dunleavy.
Also, I know they won in Boston the night before probably with that line-up, but sitting speights and brand, and playing green and dalembert simply makes no sense.
Yay yay.

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