Who was your favorite "one and done" Clipper?
by JackduhSun on Dec 20, 2009 12:27 PM PST
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Previous to this comment, citizen penguin35 said something that made me think "oh man, I remember that guy." "…at least we extended Rick Brunson’s career!" That's right, Rick Brunson, wasn't that great of a player. But from these past years, there has been many one and done Clippers. In this FanPost, I'm going to try and bring up some old names from the past that I can recall that were on the Clippers for one, or less, season that start from the year 2000 and above. Some of us aren't old enough to remember 1990 when Niq was a Clipper and left right after. Oh, and this years 2010 roster doesnt count. So guys like Rasual Butler, Sebastian Telfair, Craig Smith, or other potential one and done Clippers don't count.
00-01
Obinna Ralph Ekezie
Harold Jamison
Eldridge Recasner
01-02Cherokee Parks
Andre Lloyd Miller
02-03
Matt Barnes
Predrag Drobnjak
Eddie House
Randy Livingston
Glen Rice
04-05
Kenny Anderson
Maurice Baker
Rick Brunson
Lionel Chalmers
Kerry Kittles
Miki Moore
Mamadou N'Diaye
Kirk Penny
05-6
Vin Baker
Howard Eisley
Anthony Goldwire
Walter MCCarty
Vladimir Radmonovic
Boniface N'Dong
06-07
Doug Christie
Will Conroy
Luke Jackson
Von Wafer
Alvin Williams
07-08
Andre Barrett
Guillermo Diaz
Nick Fazekas
Richie Frahm
Smush Parker
Ruben Patterson
Josh Powell
Brevin Knight
Marcus Williams
Dan Dickau
08-09
Alex Acker
Fred Jones
Zach Randolph
Cheikh Samb
Mike Taylor
I really was thinking of writing a small analysis on each player, but eventually found out that we had ALOT of one and dones in the past 9 years. My favorites are Fred Jones, Mike Taylor, and Nick Fazekas.
Fred Jones was kind of a surprise pick up. I didn't like the guy that much. I know he was a pretty good dunker in the past, but he had kind of a bad rep. Might be because he played on the team with Ron Artest and the infamous Indianna-Detroit Brawl. Regardless, this guy came out every night and hussle his ass off to a 19 win team. I remember even reading an article about him struggling to find a job in the NBA while trying to provide food for his WHOLE family. Fred wasn't great, but he worked hard, showed heart, and was wishing he would have been back on the team.
Mike Taylor was our rookie pg. He showed unlimited potential. His biggest up was his speed. His biggest downside was his inability to control his speed. Regardless, he exploded in Madison Square Garden and was awesome at dunking. He also apparently was a funny dude next to DJ. Too bad we waived him this year because he didn't progress forward.
Nick Fazekas was a panic move to get any PF while Brand was hurt. Regardless, this guy still played like he would in an NCAA game. Hard. All out. Fighting for a roster spot. I remember he would just throw a random shot, and it would hit the basket. Either way, Fazekas wasn't too bad of a player, even though stats sheet probably won't show it/
So anyway, who was your favorite one and done Clipper from 2000-2009 Clipsnation?
*EDIT BTW, I could have missed a few players, I looked over the list and realize I missed out Dan Dickau.
*EDIT: After further research Cherokee Parks was NOT a one and done. He signed one more year with us towards the end of his career. Sorry about that.
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The best player on that list was easily ZBo, at least stat wise. There are numerous threads debating his worth to the team for his time spent here.
I’d probably have to pick Vladimir Radmanovic who we acquired for Chris Wilcox during the greatest Clippers season of all-time. He played a key role in us advancing to the semifinal rounds of the playoffs.
FA in 2010.
I think his time here was time well spent
but his contract was hefty, so he should have contributed big regardless. He was awesome though, so his one year Clipper stint was awesome.
VladMan. Nice pick; but I was VERY disappointed that Vlad left our team for the Lakers the next year. Didn’t we offer the same contract to him next year?
I think we chose Tim Thomas
over Vlad. Yea I don’t like that he went across the hall but I’m pretty sure we didn’t try to resign him and went after TT instead after he killed us in the playoffs. Also TT was for 4yr/24mil versus 5yr/31mil for Vlad.
FA in 2010.
by ClipperChuck on Dec 21, 2009 2:15 AM PST up reply actions
You sure man?
I thought I remember VladMan leaving first and then signing TT as a backup alternative.
This is how I remember it...
Dunleavy gave Vlad Rad an ultimatum. They wanted to sign him, but they had Tim Thomas ready to sign a contract. Radman wouldn’t commit, so they went and signed Thomas.
"look, you can find any coach you want, bring him in here and run the situation. But I don't think they are going to do as good a job as I do." -Mike Dunleavy Sr.
by CLiPPz WeRD 12 on Dec 21, 2009 9:34 AM PST up reply actions
To add on to that
I am sure that Wiki is NOT a liable source, but let’s use it as an idea anyway
“Although he was believed to be a lock to re-sign with the Los Angeles Clippers (he at first accepted their offer at an estimated $31M over five years), he changed his mind after being promised a starting job with the Los Angeles Lakers.”
Can anybody here confirm that we left Vladdy and went for TT?
My recollection
Is that Radman took the Lakers offer first. ClipperChuck has it right: 5yrs/31m for VR. The TT deal was a year shorter and saved a million bucks.
The surprising thing was how quickly the Clips signed TT after VR spurned them. It was a matter of a couple of days.
As it turns out, neither guy was worth the money. Two bad contracts, one worse than the next.
by citizen zhiv on Dec 22, 2009 12:13 PM PST up reply actions
Gotta go with the Kobe Stopper.
Ruben wasn’t that bad, actually. I remember him from his days in POR. I was excited about the pick up, and if memory serves, he was actually pretty decent for us following his career year in MIL. Was surprised when he was cut for nothing more than a roster spot.
"Buckle your seat belts, folks. This one's doing down to the wire." -The inimitable Ralph Lawler.
by Gordon for President on Dec 20, 2009 1:14 PM PST reply actions
RP
Patterson was disappointing. He had averaged something like 15ppg the year before, but he couldn’t hit a shot on the Clips. It was very similar to Ricky Davis.
The other problem with RP was that he was taking minutes away from Thornton, who had trouble getting on the floor as a rookie.
by citizen zhiv on Dec 22, 2009 12:15 PM PST up reply actions
Mikki Moore
I always felt that he worked hard. Every minute on the court, he was giving his all.
Funny
That FElton was mildly miffed that Mikki Moore is a starter and he isn’t.
Moore is a nice name on the list. Played hard, good backup, made a nice contribution.
by citizen zhiv on Dec 22, 2009 12:17 PM PST up reply actions
Freddy J.
He could always drive it to the basket but he could never seem to finish it unless he dunked. I remember his first game and he drove the ball to the basket the first two times he got the ball.
"Where would the Clippers be without Sean Rooks?"
He was already broke?
It sounds like he was needed the money? I’m pretty sure he got a few sizeables contracts during his career, another Antoine Walker type story?
FA in 2010.
by ClipperChuck on Dec 20, 2009 7:05 PM PST up reply actions
Im not sure how Fred Jones money problems started
but all I know was that he had a big family to support. Im sure his contract couldnt have been as big as Antoine Walker. Not to mention, there hasn’t been reports of debt owed to casinos for Fred Jones.
Still a lot of money
I know he didn’t make Antoine Walker money (over 100 million) but Jones was in the league for 6 years before coming to us so he had to have made at least 15 million in that span. Unless his family is full of deadbeats he shouldn’t be broke to soon.
FA in 2010.
by ClipperChuck on Dec 21, 2009 2:17 AM PST up reply actions
Something about those token white guys in the 90's that I always liked....
Pete Chilcutt, Matt Fish, Marty Conlon, Tom Tolbert, Dwayne Schuintzie (forget how to spell it). They were all borderline NBA players are base but they did play hard.
Other players who were here one year and who I thought would stay here and would be here for a number of years were Isaac Austin and Bison Dele (Brian Williams).
by whyamiaclippersfan on Dec 20, 2009 3:11 PM PST reply actions
Brunson
I think he gave us way more than we ever expected. He actually held things together quite well as I recall.
i also liked mikki moore a lot. when we got him he hadn’t signed any big contracts yet, and the guy always was working hard.
he reminded me of bo outlaw, so maybe that is why i liked him.
if we can choose nique i’m choosing him. he just was that spectacular.
i also have to say zach. zach seemed to actually care about the game. i think his rep is a lot worse…
if anyone has followed him on the grizzlies this year, he has lost weight, and had 32 pts and 24 boards the other day. maybe he learned something from camby.
oh i missed the this decade only....sorry
i liked derek strong and mikki moore
by whyamiaclippersfan on Dec 21, 2009 10:36 AM PST up reply actions
Boniface N'Dong
Also, I can’t believe Cherokee Parks was only with the Clips for a year, he left a lasting mark. ZBlunts and Chiekh Samb were also highlights for me.
The ones I wasn’t too fond of: Kerry Kittles (never forgave him for being QRich’s replacement, and he was always injured) and Rick Brunson (who I saw brick a few too many fourth quarter shots)
Yay yay.
my top 5
1.Mike Taylor – thanks to DJ and those pregame dunks
2.Zach Randolph – he was our season last year
3.Fred Jones – what hasn’t already been said
4.Glen Rice – game winner vs. dallas, remember?
5.Ruben Patterson – he actually WANTED to play here…and hustled
heres mine
1) Vlad Rad
2) Eddie House
3)Earl Boykins! does he count?
4)mikki moore
5) cherokee parks
creative post....
but i have to correct you on the Niq trade. it was 94 when we traded danny manning for niq.
Oh Rick Brunson
I mentioned him in a comment about past Clippers (that played for one season). He was serviceable as a backup point but iirc our injuries are so awful/awesome that he became a starter.
He was memorable to me because he actually got a better contract from the Sonics due to his play with us (I think it was a 2 year contract above the min). But then he injured his knees after a few games and disappeared from the league. Thinking it on the other way, if he didn’t play for us, he’d probably be a journeyman without a team.
But my favorite guy barring Nique (I’m not old enough to quantify Nique’s appearance but I read that our fans back then loved him), I’d say Vlad-Rad was my favorite because he fixed our weakness at that time, stretching the offense during our playoffs run. If he joined us in these seasons maybe I won’t be seeing him that way. He’s a top 3 though.
No love lost for Mikki Moore even though now he’s mostly used as fodder, he was the non-stat guy who does the hustles and the little things on court. And he had like, lizards and snakes as pets. He was awesome.
The Amazing Fazekas was a ClipsNation favorite two seasons ago especially from zhiv iirc. I remember when he joined the team and we had a perception that he was a Novak-type player, but he did all the awkward stuff within the 3-point line and it somehow works magically. Love it.
Z-Bo is another guy I love, kind of. He gets his stats obviously. And when he left, it wasn’t a messy divorce and he parted with good terms. And he doesn’t seem to be the locker room cancer that everyone said he was. He’s also, I think, motivated for once and is looking like a great addition to the Griz.
No love to Andre Miller, and Smush Parker. Also we have all our end-of-career guys who just didn’t plain contribute when a better player would’ve been chosen, eg. Glen Rice, Walter McCarthy, Vin Baker, Kerry Kittles.
Re Ruben Patterson, it’s amusing how far he’s fallen off the map since he got a career year, came to the Clippers and got cut, and disappeared from the scene completely.
The Chief or Drobs
I would have to say my most memorable/favorite were either Cherokee Parks (socal guy) or Drobnjak. The Chief was all energy all the time, and his collection of tatoos was very impressive. Drobnjak was that awkward foreign big who somehow managed to make a living playing basketball, and he wasn’t all that bad either. Both played on those young Clippers teams early in the decade that were fun and exciting to watch, even though they lost more games than they won.
Do or do not. There is no try.
I went to college in Organe County.
I’ve seen Cherokee Parks on multiple occasions actually wearing his Clipper jersey in public…
"Buckle your seat belts, folks. This one's doing down to the wire." -The inimitable Ralph Lawler.
by Gordon for President on Dec 21, 2009 11:38 AM PST up reply actions
Ha. Orange* County.
"Buckle your seat belts, folks. This one's doing down to the wire." -The inimitable Ralph Lawler.
by Gordon for President on Dec 21, 2009 11:38 AM PST up reply actions
I think you're missing the point.
Cherokee Parks was wearing his own jersey…multiple times…at the grocery store :(.
"Buckle your seat belts, folks. This one's doing down to the wire." -The inimitable Ralph Lawler.
by Gordon for President on Dec 22, 2009 12:53 PM PST up reply actions
Drobs a good choice
Kind of a nice, semi-obscure Clipper big man on this list. I remember it like this: when Dun took over the team from Gentry, with the departure of Olowokancer, not to mention Odom and Andre Miller, the Clips really didn’t have much in the way of bigs besides FElton. Enter Drobnjak, and maybe Cherokee Parks too. Wasn’t the Donger still around then? Drobs was a pretty good shooter, and he could rebound a bang a little bit. Fun player to have on an underdog squad.
by citizen zhiv on Dec 22, 2009 12:23 PM PST up reply actions
Luke Jackson
was one of my favorite college players and I’m bummed he never made it with the NBA. After Jackson it was crybaby Morrison so now I’m staying away from white boys from the Northwest.
As far as production goes, I was always impressed with Mikki Moore when he took the court.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
Always thought it was funny how he had the words "face" AND "dong" in his name.
"Buckle your seat belts, folks. This one's doing down to the wire." -The inimitable Ralph Lawler.
by Gordon for President on Dec 22, 2009 12:55 PM PST up reply actions
Nattering Nabob of Negativism
I hate to ‘spiro’ this out of control and in another direction, BUT…
Least favorite?
Miller tops my list.
No one do, like Mamadouuuuuuuu!
"look, you can find any coach you want, bring him in here and run the situation. But I don't think they are going to do as good a job as I do." -Mike Dunleavy Sr.
Wang Zhi Zhi! and others...
First Chinese born player in the NBA…..
Other faves:
1.Matt Barnes was great, I think the Clips gave up on him too early….now is has a fruitful career. Maybe he was the answer to all our SF woes.
2. Richie Frahm: Great, great shooter.
3. Freddy Jones: I liked watching him play backup PG last year…he played hard.
This is going to be my team, and we're going to rise together.
-Clipper Darrell
i think we had wang zhi zhi for more than 1 year. as a chinese american i was pretty much ashamed that a 7 foot asian man could play like a giant pussy. he took tons of 3s. it was liek a 7 foot chinese version of eddie house.
i was in school still at the time, and i once saw him and dunleavy at the ucla wooden center with some other guys like jelani mccoy. (i believe this was dunleavy’s first summer as coach of the clippers after gentry got fired)
all i remember is watching zhi zhi get out rebounded by a maybe 6’3 pickup wooden player. that guy was horrible.
You appear to be correct
According to basketball-reference.com, Wang played parts of 02-03 and 03-04, so you are right. Sorry, as a Chinese American, it was with great pride that a Chinese-born player was in the NBA….even if he was on the Mavs, and in typical Don Nelson fashion, was a 7footer shooting 3’s. So I was fine with him on the Clips….if you felt “ashamed” of his game, just know it takes more skill to shoot a 3 than to make a layup.
Of course, Yuta Tabuse was far and away the most dynamic Asian Clipper and played his tail off…unfortunately, MDSr didn’t give him a chance to get past preseason.
This is going to be my team, and we're going to rise together.
-Clipper Darrell
Oasisman, thanks for the reminders. Yeah, I really liked Wang and I don't
know why Tabuse wasn’t given a shot. He had the makings of a real fan favorite, I remember thinking “I can’t wait to see him play.”
by eastie Rich on Dec 22, 2009 11:28 AM PST up reply actions
Mamadou N'Diaye
Mamadou easily goes down as the most going big name. Yeah, Boniface is pretty off the hook, but Mamadou?
I loved how much Ralph loved his name...
Ralph was always excited to bust out a Mamadou joke.. LOL
"look, you can find any coach you want, bring him in here and run the situation. But I don't think they are going to do as good a job as I do." -Mike Dunleavy Sr.
by CLiPPz WeRD 12 on Dec 22, 2009 6:54 AM PST up reply actions
Too many on that list I actually liked, so I'll go with Mike Taylor.
I wish Dunleavy’s name was on that list though.
The Freak
Nick Fazekas!! The guy looked like he was running up and down the court with flippers on, but for some reason, he had the knack to grab rebounds…Frahm is also a fav…I have a soft heart for the unathletic white guy…
Roger Sterling: To my knees, Don. They're bringing to my knees!"
Nick's college stats were incredible. He did seem a step slow alot of the time. I used to
think it was because he didn’t get the right practice/coaching/playing time. Maybe he just wasn’t quick enough for the league.
by eastie Rich on Dec 23, 2009 11:59 AM PST up reply actions
Some really great Clippers:
It’s gotta be Dominique Wilkins. Yes, the human highlight reel, albeit an old one, with not much highlights left in the reel, but still. And later we had Doc Rivers for a season or two…ahh yes, wily old Doc. We used to be the team where great players go to wander in the waning twilight of their careers. In a way, you can look at Ron Harper as a one and done player too…because he had one great half a season with us before blowing out ACL and was never the same again. But that Ron Harper, that mini-Jordan that came over from Cleveland was the best Clippers guard I ever saw until EJ. The old timers might say Terry Cummings, but I never saw him play in a Clippers uniform. In Milwaukee, though he was a scoring machine. A very young Tom Chambers was also once on the San Diego Clippers team.
EDIT
After further research Cherokee Parks was NOT a one and done. He signed one more year with us towards the end of his career. Sorry about that.
This thread should've been...
Clipper players that should have been one and done….
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