Griffin's Return Date Slips - Let's Do the Time Warp Again
It has become sadly axiomatic for Clippers fans. It's not bad enough that far too many players get injured and miss far too many games. Even more frustrating is that they seem to always miss more games - sometimes, a lot more games - than the organization originally estimates. Well, it's happened again. Eric Pincus of HoopsWorld and Ben Bolch of the LA Times both reported last night that number one overall pick Blake Griffin, originally slated for a mid-December return, will likely be out until at least the new year.
The most famous recent example of "Clipper injury return slippage" is of course the 2008-2009 season of Chris Kaman, during which an injury originally termed day-to-day ended up sidelining the center for over three months and 48 consecutive games. In an absurd twist, each time the Clippers estimated a return date, the date didn't just move out a little - the longer he sat, the further away his return date slipped, causing me to question the very fabric of space and time.
But maybe Clipper fans, myself included, are just too close to this problem. Maybe this type of return date slippage happens with every team. Well, anecdotally at least, no, it doesn't.
You may recall that I personally set this whole Griffin injury saga in motion by tempting the Clipper curse with a 'perspective' post about Antawn Jamison's pre-season injury. Let's revisit that, shall we? In the original AP story, the Wizards set Jamison's recovery time at 3 to 5 weeks, saying that he was "likely to miss the first eight to 13 games." Jamison was back on the court after exactly three weeks, having missed nine games.
Or how about Jordan Farmar of the Lakers last season? He missed four weeks of the season when he had knee surgery. He came back two weeks earlier than the estimate.
So what's wrong with the Clippers? Is it their training staff? Is it their doctors? Are their players bad healers? Is it the dreaded curse?
Tom Peters, management guru and author of "In Search of Excellence" has a formula for success: underpromise and overdeliver. Tell your customer less than you think you can do, and then they'll be happy when you do more. This concept is painfully well illustrated in these injury examples. If the Wizards had said that Jamison would miss the first two weeks of the season, then their fans (their customers) would have been disappointed had he sat out one more week. They set a worst case expectation of five weeks and 13 games and Jamison was back sooner. Now, the same three week absence is viewed in a positive light.
When the Clippers originally released information about Griffin's injury on Oct. 27, they set an expectation. Here's what the press release said: "it has been determined that Griffin will be sidelined for approximately six weeks."
Now, that statement is open to some interpretation. Unlike with the Wizards, the Clippers did not give an estimate of games he would miss. Not to worry though - reporters are ready to step in and fill in the blanks. I got out a calendar and counted 22 games in the first six weeks of the season. For other scribes, that number was rounded down for some reason to 20 games. And 20 games became the new expectation. By the way, Saturday versus the Pacers is game number 20.
Of course we know in reality that six weeks often means something else. Sometimes it means "After six weeks he has to be re-examined, and then if he's cleared he'll start running to get back into shape, and then he'll be cleared for basketball activity, and then he'll be cleared for full contact, and then we'll need to get him some full practices in before he plays, and the schedule may not allow for that, and and and...." In my first post following the announcement, I asked hypothetically "Does six weeks mean six weeks, or does it mean All Star Break?"
So I asked the coach the question the day after the injury was first announced. And he told me that as far as he knew, six weeks meant six weeks.
I asked MDsr if six weeks meant missing six weeks of games, or if it meant six weeks before he returns to practice. He said it was his understanding that he'd be playing in six weeks. - "Six weeks is like fully healed, back." He also said that Blake could play on it now, but that it just wouldn't get better if he did.
Am I calling MDsr a liar? Of course not. It's an injury, there are a million unknowns, bones don't heal at a uniform rate, if it doesn't respond it doesn't respond. But regardless of all that, the Clippers are just terrible - really, truly horrid - at managing expectations.
When the injury was first disclosed, I read some stuff on Wikipedia - WIKIPEDIA, for FSM's sake - and said to myself that six weeks sounded optimistic. Oh, that's right, I didn't say it too myself, I said it to everyone. "It must be a very minor stress fracture for the doctors to be discussing a six week recovery timeline."
Until yesterday, no one within the Clippers organization said a single word to imply that there were any issues with Griffin's return date. It was always, "he's on schedule", "everything's going well" kinds of quotes. There were never any details of course, but nothing to imply a different time frame. Tuesday morning, Ralph Lawler tweeted "Griffin continues to progress and heal as anticipated." As anticipated. Well, weren't we all anticipating that he'd be back in a week? Isn't that what we were told to anticipate?
But here's where it gets absurd. Eric Pincus' story resetting the date after the new year was posted on Dec. 2 - five weeks and two days after the 'six weeks' press release. That morning - THAT VERY MORNING - Dunleavy was quoted in the LA Times as saying that he received a "good report" regarding Griffin's recovery. The same LA Times story said that Griffin was scheduled to have an MRI in 10 days - which seemed contradictory in itself, since that MRI would be occurring almost seven weeks into the supposedly six week process. But a "good report" is a "good report" and that meant Blake would be back close to his original return date, right? What exactly changed between Dec. 1 (when MDsr gave the "good report" quote) and Dec. 2 (when he moved the return date into 2010)?
According to Dunleavy, what changed was that he got a little better educated. "Now that I'm learning more about [his injury] It's probably looking more like after the first of the year."
Huh, that's interesting. Didn't the Clippers consult with a couple of high-falutin' specialists back in October, and didn't those guys set the recovery at six weeks? Does MDsr now know more about this type of injury than those guys? Just curious.
Looking more closely at Pincus' post, we see all of that dreaded extra time built in, all of those little things that we're so familiar with from other injuries.
Just getting green-lit isn't enough for Griffin to make his season debut. He'll need to gradually work his way back into shape, while testing the knee each step to make sure there aren't any negative repercussions.
So in fact, MDsr is now, five weeks into the process, starting to manage expectations. That's great - better late than never I guess. But I personally asked him these questions five weeks ago, and he said six weeks is six weeks. It's much harder to "underpromise and overperform" when you've already "overpromised and underperformed."
He's the really scary part: "Dunleavy said the ultimate test will be a CT Scan, 'which will show how the bone mends. When that looks like it's really good, that's when he's cleared to do basketball-like activity.'" Um, OK. When is that scannie thingie happening? If the MRI is happening in 8 days, when is the CT scan? I mean, here's an idea. Assuming the equipment is more or less in the same place - you know, like at a hospital or some other medical-looking place - how about he has the CT scan the same day he has the MRI? What is the delay there? We're wating for the CT-scan to 'look really good.' But if they don't schedule the CT scan, then it's hard to know what it looks like.
(Here's the real question: since an MRI is better at showing the soft tissue like muscles and tendons and what not, while the CT scan is a highly detailed view of the bones, why are they having an MRI at all? Isn't the issue here, the stress fracture of his patella - and isn't the patella a bone?)
In the end, is this a big deal? To return to the land of perspective, it is of course much more important for Blake Griffin to be fully healed than that he play a few games in late December. Whether the Clippers have a chance to make the playoffs this season, and whether Griffin's prolonged absence damages those chances, isn't really the issue in the big picture. It's not like the Clippers would be competing for a championship this season with Griffin. Blake Griffin's future is no less bright with this new return date set.
But the present for Clipper fans is significantly dimmer. This team has, by and large, been pretty tough to watch this season. 8 and 11 is much better than last year, but many of those wins have come over bad teams in unimpressive fashion. And the losses have included way too many stinkers, last night included. For Clipper fans, the return of Blake Griffin is the one thing that can redeem this team.
So to say, on Dec. 2, when the original estimate was less than a week away, that now he's AT LEAST a month away, is bad, bad news. To put it in business world terms, the Clippers gave us an estimate of six weeks. Five weeks into that, they said, sorry, it's at least nine weeks. That's a 50% error - with little in the way of assurances that the new date will be met.
Of course, this has always been the Clippers motto - "The Clippers: Overpromise, Underdeliver."
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He also said that Blake could play on it now, but that it just wouldn’t get better if he did.
A little optimistic are we Dunleavy?
So many empty statements all coming for the “man in charge”. I’m fed up. Dunleavy is one luck SOB. I’ve supported him, as well as crucify him, but enough is enough. This s**t isn’t going to change. Maybe a new coach won’t bring a different product but I can’t imagine he’ll be playing by the book as much as Dunleavy does.
by dulciusEXasperis on Dec 3, 2009 12:22 PM PST reply actions
Ridiculous
you could almost bank it that this would turn into the new year. The All-Star break will be the next step in the time line.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
Not surprised at all...the Clippers have had a significant injury for the last several years....
and the dates are always pushed back…. except Shaun Livingston—- and we all know how that worked out for him.
The Clippers:
Because if get LAC, you mangle an ACL.
"Excellence...is not an act, but a habit" Aristotle
The Clippers:
Because if you get LAC, you mangle an ACL.
"Excellence...is not an act, but a habit" Aristotle
Two things, MDSR is the GM and he's suppopsed to know everything happening
within the organization – and have some control over it. Second, what would have happened to ticket sales if they said BG would be out for 3 months instead of three weeks?
I think this has a big thing to do with it...
The one great thing that happened for Clippers fans over the summer, was landing Blake Griffin.. With no hope of Blake coming back soon, not as many people will want to buy tickets to the games.. They probably know that he’s not going to be back til the end of the season (or next season), but they can’t say that because a lot of people will give up on the team for the season.
'Cause how you play, is how you'll be remembered. PLAY LOUD!
by CLiPPz WeRD 12 on Dec 3, 2009 3:46 PM PST up reply actions
Good point
Selling tickets is a factor here. Especially since, when the date was set, no one knew what the team was going to play like.
There goes that pesky optimism, working against us again.
What is realistic?
Should we just assume he plays after the break? I’m sick of getting my hopes up.
I can’t stand watching Kaman play 40plus anymore. I truly hope MDSR gives Blake his 35 per night and plays the better match-up/hotter hand between Kaman and Camby.
There have been too many games when we continue to pound the ball into Kaman when he is having an off night, I hope this nonsense ends when Blake is on the court.
by The Blake Griffin Era on Dec 3, 2009 1:14 PM PST reply actions
Do they really pound the ball into him?
Seems to me he gets the ball on the perimeter and throws up an errant perimeter shot more then he gets the ball in the post these days.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
Time for DTS to "CLEAN HOUSE" enough is enough already!
GMMDsr………………..Gone
CMDsr………………….Gone
MDsr……………………Gone
Kim Hughes…………..Gone
Jasen Powell…………Gone
Training Staff………….Gone
Rasuel Butler…………Gone
Everything starts out New, Gets Old and Dies or is Destroyed.
Ha. I like that Rasual Butler made it in there...
I have to say, you were all over Sual before anybody else though.
by Michael White on Dec 3, 2009 1:32 PM PST up reply actions
haha people have the right to change their minds with new information and further examination
I do it all the time.
Don’t worry Sual will be gone soon enough, it’s a 1 year contract.
Oh believe me
I completely agree on the mind-changing thing.
I just found it funny in a “one of those names is not like the other” sort of way.
by Michael White on Dec 3, 2009 2:35 PM PST up reply actions
Dunleavy seems like the kid who always dented (or crashed) his parents car
whenever they let him drive. ‘No, no, don’t give the keys to Mike. " Too late.
I was never high on Bulter and never even considered him even remotely as good as AT.
RButler is a truck and just looks lost on the floor without CP3 to hold his leash.
Everything starts out New, Gets Old and Dies or is Destroyed.
For a while, I thought we were hoodwinked and Butler played over his head thanks to Paul
but look at the game yesterday. Baron drives to the rack, excellent dish to a wide open Butler at the three point line, and he bricks.
The dude just sucks right now.
by Michael White on Dec 3, 2009 3:13 PM PST up reply actions
+1
All time in the world and Clank.
And how about that Sweet no look dish from Baron to DJ that hit DJ in the face because BD even faked his own teammate out.
BD is rolling right now.
Everything starts out New, Gets Old and Dies or is Destroyed.
I've lost count...
…of how many beautiful Baron dishes go wasted by teammates who can’t handle them (I’m looking squarely at Kamand and DJ). Baron’s passing was on from the first pre-season game of 2008-2009. It’s got be flat-out frustrating and discouraging to have such great passes and scoring opportunities absolutey bungled.
"Buckle your seat belts, folks. This one's doing down to the wire." -The inimitable Ralph Lawler.
by Gordon for President on Dec 3, 2009 6:20 PM PST up reply actions
Dunleavy killed the rally last night
I was at the game last night sitting behind the clipper bench and at the end of the third
quarter Al Thorton and Baron didn’t want to come out of the game. Dunleavy put rally
killer Butler back in. Baron & Al was bringing us back when he took them out. I don’t
get it after watching this coach for so many years what the hell is he doing. When its
good why change it. Camby was so pist off at the end of the game he didn’t want to
talk to anyone. He shot out to the locker room like a bat out of hell.
I loved Clipperblogs post today about how dunleavy was trying that brooks v. butler mismatch to death.
and how it also(in addition to your report above) killed the momentum. I was glad to hear some fire dunleavy chants last night and also was thinking that CMDsr might (conspiracy theory alert) be haulting blakes return because he’s scared the team will still quit on him = fired.
Good point, the longer BG is out the more CMDsr. can keep his job. Makes perfect sense.
DTS has to see through this and just Fire MDsr. and all his staff, a High school or YMCA staff could do better. Heck my 10 year old son said what is Dunleavy doing taking BD out in the 3rd.
Everything starts out New, Gets Old and Dies or is Destroyed.
Completely Agree, But Also...
…CMDSr has this slavish devotion to his “eight-man rotation”, no matter what the circumstances of the game are. I started understanding what he was doing when I stopped looking at what was happening in the game and started paying attention to how many minutes a player had logged in a particular stretch. Dunleavy is like Rain Man and his numbers.
by bpr on Dec 3, 2009 4:18 PM PST up reply actions
I thought the same thing watching at home
When they came back from the break, having cut the lead down to 2 and owning all the momentum, I couldn’t believe my ears when Ralph announced all the lineup changes. I was screaming at the TV. It’s as if Dumbleavy has never watched a single NBA game in his life…
Reverse psychology for the perennial underachiever?
Great points – this is yet another case of failure in managing expectations, no matter how you spin it using common logic. But a dire attempt to find justification for such obvious mishap and putting on the hat of an underachiever pointed me to the following chain of logic: “It’s going to take more than steady progress to change the public’s perception of the team, it takes winning in the magnitude similar to the out-of-nowhere 05-06 season. We got the #1 pick but since our chance for producing a fortune-changing season is hampered by his injury, let’s just stick with our overpromising-underachieving ways that most have came to expect and temper extra spending (thus keeping the underachieving GM/coach) until we’re absolutely ready to do a complete franchise facelift. We’ll change everything then – new coach, better PR, and possibly even new logos/unis”.
At least this correlates with our owner apparent belief that a successful sports franchise can be attained like flipping a switch as long as he’s willing to tap into his “unlimited resources”. Or maybe I’m just overanalyzing and this is all simply Dunleavy’s attempt to milk the “injury-hampered roster” excuse and thus extending his stay.
The biggest victim of this whole fuss is Blake Griffin – he deserves better than being mentioned in the same breath as Yi Jianlian as frail guys whose eventual return kept on being postponed.
I say rush and keep the orginal date and let him play through it
If Blake hurts himself again then he has the whole off season to heal ITS DO OR DIE!!!
Typical...
I’m not a doctor, and I don’t know much about the situation, but I do know that this is ridiculous. When I heard that Blake Griffin got injured, I, along with a number of other fans, had a feeling that something like this would happen. The fact that this seems to happen every time a key player gets injured is ineffable. I honestly cannot come up with a word that sums up my emotions about this situation now (somewhere between angry, confused, and depressed). Last night’s loss was tough. This news is making things worse.
Maybe this is legitimate and doctors underestimated how bad of an injury this was, but it’s really hard for me to give the benefit of the doubt to an organization as incompetent as the Clippers. It seems much more likely that the Clippers have a bad training staff, Dunleavy’s trying to save his job with the injury excuse, or that aliens from Mars came to Earth to worsen Blake’s knees. I’ll believe anything that isn’t what the Clippers are telling me.
I guess I’m just a little anxious. Put simply, I don’t want 8-11 to be this team’s high water mark for the 2009-2010 season.
"If a Clippers fan is reading a newspaper in his living room and the ceiling falls on him, he'll just shrug and move to another room." -Bill Simmons
This is what happens when you all fail to give feedback about my kamanblog.
I’m just kidding, but this does suck, really bad. I feel bad for all Clippers fans, all the Clippers, and mostly Blake himself. I think when it comes to Clipper injuries we should just double or triple the estimated time of recovery, that way we can avoid the constant disapointment. If they say six weeks, I’ll expect twelve to eighteen. Also, I’ve come to enjoy this season a lot more when I think of Eric Gordon as the main key to the Clippers success. Basically, if EG Thizzface Supreme is out, I don’t expect the Clippers to win. If they do, I’m happy, if they don’t, I’m not surprised.
Yay yay.
if it makes you guys feel any better (and it wont, not at all) the bulls pull the same crap
with their injured players. maybe the bulls and clippers share a training staff? maybe they both use one of those shady unlicenced doctors/vets criminals see when they dont want to to go to the hospital like at the beginning of the movie Payback?
"Oooohhh, cat in the wall, eh? Now you're talkin' my language."
Oh my God.
A Val Resnick nod? “All I have to do is point!”
"Buckle your seat belts, folks. This one's doing down to the wire." -The inimitable Ralph Lawler.
by Gordon for President on Dec 3, 2009 6:23 PM PST up reply actions
that movie had some pretty cool character names.
"Oooohhh, cat in the wall, eh? Now you're talkin' my language."
Maybe...
Maybe history repeats itself (ala Danny Manning), and maybe we’ll get to trade Blake for a half year rental of a 34 year old Lebron James (ala Dominique Wilkins).
Something to look forward to? I think not.
'Cause how you play, is how you'll be remembered. PLAY LOUD!
I think this news hurts Dunleavy
The natives are already restless, and the sharks are circling the wagon, and whatever other cliche’ fits. We know there is discussion of replacing the coach.
Losing until Mid-December seemed reasonable. But kicking the can down the road until January is practically conceding the season.
I wouldn’t be surprised if he gets cut loose in the next few weeks.
Do not worry. (Matthew 6:27)
Remembering
the Denver game on espn. When Griffin was being interviewed by the espn broadcasters, they were talking to him about missing his OKC homecoming and he said when we barely won he was JUMPING up and down and yelling at the tele. Mabe he’s been doing stuff like that all season and that’s whats pushing back the return date.
Clips need a tune up!
Clips need a change from the top down, the rockets has more injuries and manage to win games! Clips are playing with so many big baby start with CMDSR,Kaman and so no. Those old bloods are hurting the new player like Al,Eric,and Blake. Coach MDsr cant motivate player, Barrron were weak two weeks ago, now he play well, but Kaman start strong now play weak! How can you old clips be motivated everygame like Eric G.who only hve 1 bad game in Indy! its like there is always one guy mess up the game, always one guy injury. bla bla bla! Yes clips afer you promote the holidays tickets sales for the past month then now you are delaying Blakes return..how about giving 50% back on our ticket prices!
Griffin & Oden
Will Blake Griffin be this years Greg Oden where as the No 1 draft pick they miss the entire year?
Does that mean we would miss the playoffs (again) and then be in the lottery again next year?
That’s as good as having 2 lottery picks in the 1 year !
Can’t help but be sarcastic :(
Maybe they will hold BG out for this year so he is a Rookie next year and have a better chance at ROY.
Everything starts out New, Gets Old and Dies or is Destroyed.
What may happen
MDSr sucks, the team gets the first pick in the draft as a result, MDSr thinks that h’s job is safe as a result. God disagrees, striking down BG, resulting in MDSr finally getting the ax.
Because BG is out, the team ends up with a another first pick the following year – John Wall – and becomes a great team under – you guessed it – Charles Barkley (GM) and Phil Jackson (coach).
Perhpas God is indeed a Clipper fan.
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
cash price for a non contrast MRI is $600
about $1200 for contrast(where they do the litle injection of dye to show the tissue better)
I can’t imagine a CT scan being much more, and besides isn’t there insurance?
CLippers live in LA..I can walk into an imaging center and walk out with a disc thaty plays in my PC in under an hour…i’ve dobe it recently..
Why can’t we have BG scanned every two weeks to check the progress?
I am willing to start with a new training staff..Have you seen what Denver does..
they have a chef cooking low calorie meals for them so the players don’t eat junk food..and they have a trainer who treally makes his presence known, by impacting their daily routines..
I hate to pick on someone, especially if you don’t have very many facts about the job…BUt ever since Shaun Livingston, i have to wonder..
SHOULD WE FIRE THE TRAINERS? SEE YA JASON POWELL?
Wouldn’t we have people LINED UP for that job here in california?
wE DEMAND A CHANGE ..START AT THE BOTTOM, NOT THE TOP..
THE sNACKBAR
jason powell
i would like to hear what this guys overall thoughts on all the injuries over the years, and the fans criticisms, i dont think i have ever heard anything from him
When have you ever heard a trainer come out and make a comment?
I think that would be a precedent.
I’d be interested though.
Battling a bit of Clipper Depression?
I know I am. Nice post, although it only makes things worse. This team does an amazing job of being pathetic. One of the best parts is how any success, like the Sunday comeback, gets twisted into new, greater, and more intense disappointment somehow. Nobody does it better.
Worth mentioning Eric Gordon and his situation in this review. The Clips had Gordon back for a two game tune up and then they played a great game and then he goes out with—guess what!—an injury that was slightly misrepresented to the fans at first. That sets up the beautiful midweek trough of despair that we’re going through, with the team going down decisively to the witchy, underdog Rockets and this news about Griffin.
Nothing beats being a Clipper fan. Usually being a Bruin fan makes up for it, but right now the two teams have an amazing negative mojo going. The comeback against the Funk kept me going through the weekend when I didn’t even bother watching UCLA, knowing how bad they would be. Just managed to absorb the Drew Gordon blow, hoping the Clips could keep up their momentum against the Rockets. It turned out to be a set up. The Griffin news, combined with my new favorite Bruin, Reeves Nelson getting injured in practice, is icing on the cake.
If anyone read the whole article
There’s no exact timetable in place.
“I don’t know the right answer. A lot of it depends on him and how he feels once he gets on the court,” continued the Clipper coach.
Dunleavy said a main factor was how Blake feels and if hes ready to play. Blake is the kind of player who wants to get out there so hell bust his ass to get back into Game shape. I think hell be back earlier than Jan 4.
Why is anyone surprised by this news?
I’m not.
I’m just waiting to hear Eric Gordon will be out for the season.
You know it’s coming. Just wait. Just wait.
I've got nothing.
No Jesse Ventura Conspiracy Theories Please
CLiPPz WeRD 12 is on the money. Season ticket holders were abandoning ship like the dance band on the Titanic until they lucked into Griffin. He is front and center their marketing campaign. Of course they would take the most optimistic yet reasonably plausible timetable to preserve goodwill with their fan base (or what is left of it). It’s not an exact science (look how long Gasol was out with that day to day hammy) which gives them lots of leeway to extend the return date if need be… the fly in the ointment has been how bad and often unwatchable this team has been in the interim. If they had played up to their potential even without BG, no one would be that exercised about him being out for awhile longer. They’ve been so frustratingly awful that we’re all looking at BG like he’s the donkey that’s carrying in the antidote to the poison that this team is sick with, and now we’ve just found out the donkey has thrown another shoe. Fudging on the return date is to be expected and probably not a completely intentional deception. What will really be interesting is what spin they come up with is if BG returns and they’re no better.
by Clipster Hipster on Dec 3, 2009 7:22 PM PST reply actions
Fustrating
I’d love Blake to come back as soon as he can, and I bet he does. But on the other hand, I’d rather he take some time to recover from said injury and come back at 100%.
EJ coming back is more important right now if you ask me. He makes things work. Without him, the offense and defense feels dislodged.
Totalyl agree.
We’re dying for an outside shooter right now. We have ZERO perimeter offense going for us.
by dulciusEXasperis on Dec 4, 2009 10:46 AM PST up reply actions
All about Gordon
First the Clips have to get Gordon back and turn the ship back around, try to get Kaman’s head back on straight, which is always a challenge. Big question to see if Gordon can go through practice today and come out fine, that would really help the Clips. Griffin will come back when he comes back, just too bad that it’s not going to be at the end of next week. But like I said, for now let’s see what happens when and if Gordon comes back, and see if they can do better against any team besides Houston.
I love this blog
But lately it has got me down. The citizens are out for blood and its so demoralising. I love the type of basketball they play when the defense is on point and they get out on the fast break. But with EJ out, I don’t see them able to capitalize. Personally, I like coach Dunleavy. I think he had the team in the right position. Then the Brand debacle and were are back to square 1. But things have been looking up lately. We got gifts at the 7 and 12th picks with AL and EJ. Now we get Blake. We also have DJ who is vital to the second unit. But the fans want the immediate firing of coach. Maybe I am crazy but DTS is willing to spend. I give the credit to coach. Sure he makes errors, but who doesn’t? Anyhow, that’s my 2 cents.
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