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The ongoing saga of Andre Miller and the Blazers. Miller is having trouble fitting in? Knock me over with a feather.

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I know I'm crazy...

But if POR wants to dump Miller, couldn’t they send him to the Knicks straight up for Jared Jeffries? They need help at the 3, and $7m a year for Miller shouldn’t kill the Knicks’ aburds 2010 dreams. There’s no quality PG who will be on the market, aside from Ray Felton.

I would only imagine the Blazers would do this if the Knicks threw in draft picks. I know this will never happen, but seems a quick fix for both teams.

PS: Donnie Walsh sucks.

"Buckle your seat belts, folks. This one's doing down to the wire." -The inimitable Ralph Lawler.

by Gordon for President on Dec 3, 2009 2:34 PM PST reply actions  

Jared Jeffries?

does that really help POR at all??

by JackduhSun on Dec 3, 2009 10:07 PM PST up reply actions  

Like I said.

I don’t see this trade ever happening, but POR needs a small forward with Batum and Outlaw hurt. Jeffries actually had some game in WAS.

"Buckle your seat belts, folks. This one's doing down to the wire." -The inimitable Ralph Lawler.

by Gordon for President on Dec 4, 2009 9:28 AM PST up reply actions  

I'd think Andre Miller would have more value than Jared Jeffries

LOL, I mean if it wasn’t for my hate for Andre, I’d even give up a player more valuable such as Rasual or somehwere in the caliber.

by JackduhSun on Dec 4, 2009 1:59 PM PST up reply actions  

I'd think so too, until you consider both PHI and NYK let him walk.

"Buckle your seat belts, folks. This one's doing down to the wire." -The inimitable Ralph Lawler.

by Gordon for President on Dec 4, 2009 4:36 PM PST up reply actions  

And this is news...why exactly?

Roger Sterling: To my knees, Don. They're bringing to my knees!"

by Lawler's Law on Dec 3, 2009 9:20 PM PST reply actions  

Maybe its not news

just joy for all of us over here who knows of this Andre Killer fella.

by JackduhSun on Dec 3, 2009 10:08 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't know why fans don't like Andre. He was excellent in the years in Cleveland

prior to coming to the Clippers. Each year his scoring and assists went up. Then he comes to a Gentry coached team that won 27 games (great by Dunleavy standards). I watched him play and he didn’t seem to fit in here, I don’t know why.

So he goes to Denver and averages roughly 14 pts and 7 assists over a 3+ yr period and off to Philly where he did pretty well.

I don’t think it’s a knock on him that he didn’t fit in here. He did o.k. with three other teams.

by eastie Rich on Dec 3, 2009 10:42 PM PST reply actions  

Then [Miller] comes to a Gentry coached team that won 27 games (great by Dunleavy standards).

What does that even mean? I’m not sure it works as either a defense of Miller or a relevant attack on Dunleavy.

The kids aren't alright.

by OhMeOhMy on Dec 3, 2009 11:08 PM PST up reply actions  

What that means is last year I bought season tickets hoping for 35 wins and we

got barely half that. And here I am again this year hoping for the same. I’m not sure if it was Gentry’s first head coaching gig (I’d have to look it up) but he certainly did not perform well here.

And as far as Miller goes, I actually liked him. He was here for one year (and by far out performed Baron in his first year) and he was gone the next.

by eastie Rich on Dec 3, 2009 11:24 PM PST reply actions  

Is he hurting the team?

They are 7th in pythagoresn W-L after being 5th last year. His PER is down, but this is his 33rd year.

Question: Why isn’t it McMillan’s failure that he can’t figure out how to use Miller? Seems like its a coaching problem that McMillan doesn’t know how to handle vets and making them run silly conditioning drills to try to humiliate them.

Coaches don't matter. - Bill Simmons, The Book of Basketball

by John R on Dec 4, 2009 3:39 PM PST reply actions  

Yet all this time

this same guy was arguing about coaches not being a factor in winning a game.

by JackduhSun on Dec 4, 2009 3:44 PM PST up reply actions  

He’s obviously being sarcastic.

I’m certain he does not believe it is McMillan’s fault.

by Michael White on Dec 4, 2009 3:50 PM PST up reply actions  

yea...jr's tongue is fimly in cheek..

Roger Sterling: To my knees, Don. They're bringing to my knees!"

by Lawler's Law on Dec 5, 2009 12:03 AM PST up reply actions  

I think Players matter more

Take New Jersey….Frank was a great Coach when he had Kidd, Carter and Jefferson. Now all 3 are gone and he was left with a “leader” in Devin Harris, a young Center in Brook Lopez, and nothing else. The team went 0-18 and he was canned along the way.

The NBA is a Player’s league unlike college. You can’t throw the ball around the perimeter for 30 seconds, then make a play. Ultimately, if you have guys like Kobe and LeBron, it makes life much easier.

This is going to be my team, and we're going to rise together.
-Clipper Darrell

by oasisman on Dec 4, 2009 11:03 PM PST up reply actions  

You'd be right if the team sucked as a result, but since the Blazers don't . . .

One day you’ll understand, one day.

"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.

by Jax on Dec 5, 2009 10:17 PM PST up reply actions  

Hmmm

Always nice to see Andre Miller spread the love.

What I take away from this article and situation is how it’s rather odd in retrospect that he fit in rather well in both Denver and Philly. He was far from a disaster on either of those teams, but he wasn’t a perfect solution either.

The other thing about the article is that it manages never to mention Steve Blake. Or say anything about the Portland GM and the decision to sign Miller, rather than the ways in which McMillan is trying to figure out how to use him.

The problem is that Miller assumes, with some reason, that he’s a much better basketball player than Steve Blake. So it seems like a no-brainer. But you have to look at Portland’s roster and especially at Brandon Roy and how he likes to play. Once you do that, and establish Roy as the Blazer’s bedrock, then it seems like a pretty quick question to ask who is BRoy going to play better with, Steve Blake or Andre Miller? It doesn’t take long from there for an observer to notice that BRoy has some strong similarities to dominant SGs like Michael Jordan and Kobe Bryant, and how they like to play with guys like Steve Kerr or Craig Hodges, or Ron Harper or Derek Fisher. Blake bears a vague resemblance to Kerr perhaps, but Andre Miller isn’t like any of those guys. He’s a dribbling, ball-dominant PG. And it’s pretty obvious, completely so in hindsight, that he’s not a great fit with BRoy.

But that sparkling, friendly personality makes up for everything else, of course.

by citizen zhiv on Dec 4, 2009 4:41 PM PST reply actions  

The reason the article didn't mention the Portland GM...

is because Kevin Pritchard is a genius, remember?
But the thing about the article that struck me was, forgetting Andre Miller’s dark history with the Clips, is the weird similarities between this year’s Miller and last year’s Baron Davis. Reporting out of shape, an inability to get along with the coach, selfish play, and a stubborn willingness to do things his own way…
It’s almost like Rasual Butler, who I’ve come to accept, begrudgingly, as this year’s Ricky Davis.

by John Raffo on Dec 4, 2009 5:08 PM PST reply actions  

lol

Big Ricky and Little Ricky or maybe the Real Ricky and Ricky Junior?
BTW, the last-year’s Ricky is a twelve year vet!? OMG! I’ve never seen anyone play defense like him… it’s like he’s willing enough but has no idea where he’s supposed to be. Guys are pointing at him, telling him who to guard….

by John Raffo on Dec 4, 2009 5:50 PM PST reply actions  

Posted that wrong...

what this system needs is a wayback button.

by John Raffo on Dec 4, 2009 5:50 PM PST up reply actions  

Speaking of players with both Clippers and Blazer ties

Memphis just blew out Dallas and Zach Randolph posted a cool 24 points 15 rebounds.

by Michael White on Dec 4, 2009 7:17 PM PST reply actions  

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