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I went to a season ticket holder event today at the Clippers practice facility.  Aside from seeing the facility up close (which rocks), it was a great opportunity to see forty generally out-of-shape guys (me included) go through a one hour practice/scrimmage led by John Lucas.  The highlight was appearances by Baron (Starbucks coffee in hand, but no Krispy Kreme doughnut), DeAndre and Eric Gordon.  Although Baron and DeAndre bailed after about ten minutes, Gordon stayed for the entire session and was a true pro – signing autographs, agreeing to lots of pictures, and participating in a Q&A (along with Lucas) with the fans after the scrimmage.  I also spent a few minutes chatting with Eric one-on-one during the scrimmage (when I was gasping for breath).  Between that and the Q&A, here is what I learned:

Star-divide

Both Lucas and Gordon (in my one on one) said Blake’s return will be mid-January.  Consistent with what they are saying publicly.

I asked Gordon about his hamstring and he said it’s not 100% but close and that although the hammie gets assessed by three people, the decision to play ultimately rested with him.  He said he has had hamstring injuries before so he has a good sense for how he recovers.  I asked him whether he would be playing in the Orlando game and he said “absolutely.”  Unprompted by me, he said that Orlando was good but that he thought they had a chance to play them well.  He’s only one player, but he did not sound like a guy who sort of gives up and assumes ahead of time that they’re going to lose to good teams.

A few times during the session, Lucas playfully mocked those fans who constantly complain about the physical fitness of the players, how they run, etc.   By the end of the session when we were all wheezing, he brought it up again.

Someone asked about Sterling.  Lucas likened Sterling to a big brother who needs to sometimes call out the younger siblings when they’re not playing up to par, but he also said that Sterling came into the locker room after the Memphis game to congratulate the team.  As Lucas said, “people forget that he is a fan too.”

Someone asked Lucas about the "Fire Dunleavy" chants and whether the players hear them, and everyone laughed.  But in a completely spontaneous, emphatic way, Eric said “Yeah, it’s incredibly annoying.”  I couldn’t see whether he rolled his eyes or not, but it was clear that he personally did not like the chants.

I was a bit surprised that Gordon emphasized the importance of the crowd in getting the players amped up.  He said the fourth quarter of the Memphis game was the loudest he had ever heard in Staples since he joined the team.

A fan asked why the team plays well against good teams but doesn’t bring the same level of intensity, Lucas talked about the need to change the culture of the team and he even used it to bash the “Lakers mystique” a bit.

During the Q&A, I asked Gordon what he thinks about the fact that he regularly outplays Mayo and Westbrook yet they get a lot more press.  Specifically, I asked him whether it bothers him, does he use it as motivation, etc. and he immediately said “I definitely use it as motivation.”  He then asked Lucas to tell a story about how Mayo texted Lucas before the last game (Lucas literally pulled out his phone and read the text) and it said something like. “Tell Gordon he better be [playing] at the game.  I have a present for him.”  And of course, Lucas implied the joke was on Mayo because Gordon consistently shuts Mayo down.  But Lucas added (in a nice way) that one of Gordon’s challenges is to be more “vocal” – I’m assuming he meant both on and off the court.

Lucas spent a lot of time talking about his own expectations were to play .500 ball during the first 20 games.  He said injuries are not meant to be an excuse for inadequate play, but they exist nonetheless and the team was still a work in progress in terms of developing a culture and identity.

When someone asked whether the players get down on one another, Gordon tried to take the high road and said that wasn’t the case, that they just get frustrated with excessive turnovers, etc. but Lucas (perhaps sensing an opportunity to provide a different perspective) took over answering the question. Paraphrasing, he said that they team gets along incredibly well off the court but their challenge was to get along just as well on the court.  Interesting…

A few fans asked questions around x’s and o’s (e.g., one around tempo and one around Kaman), but Lucas was incredibly effective (in an almost Socratic way) of engaging in a dialogue with the fan about how addressing one issue almost always raises another set of issues and questions to address, i.e., the solutions are not as simple as they might appear.  For example, when the fan asked about running, Lucas said running is made so much easier when the team rebounds, so how should you manage the balance between offensive speed and rebounding in terms of the players out on the floor at a given time (I think he might have mentioned Griffin’s absence in that example).  There is no question that Lucas is a great addition to the staff.

And to state the obvious, Gordon is just built like a Mack truck.  I’m 6’2” and he is slightly taller than me, but he is just so thickly built.

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lakers?

can you remember what lucas said about the lakers mystique?

by snackbar on Dec 6, 2009 9:21 PM PST reply actions  

It’s tough to describe it in a concise way, but he was just talking about the fact that playing in the same venue as the Lakers is not easy. For example, he took note of the fact that the team gets third priority for the schedule (behind Lakers and Kings) and that they play a lot of Monday night games (which struck me as odd that he would notice something like that, but I guess it makes sense). And he referenced their winning, their glamour, their favorable tv exposure, having “the best player in the league” (in Lucas’ view), etc. He didn’t say it in a whiny way, but he said it in way that it seemed to me it kinda pissed him off a bit. But then it occurred to me me it was exactly the same kind of the same frustration that we feel as Clips fans having to put up with Laker fans….

"Not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted" – Albert Einstein

by Another son of Mike Smith on Dec 6, 2009 11:37 PM PST up reply actions  

Lucas must read Bill Simmons

Here is an excerpt from a Bill Simmons Column shortly after it became clear the Clips would get BG. I don’t agree with us having lower priority than the Kings though, for instance they had to play at 1pm on Saturday while we got the night game.

Fall 1999: The Staples Center opens and quickly turns the Clippers into a second-class tenant in their own building. The Lakers are given every choice home date (including Friday and Sunday nights), while the Clips get hand-me-down dates like Monday nights, New Year’s Eve, the Monday of Martin Luther King Weekend, the Wednesday before Thanksgiving and Sunday afternoon games during football season. As if it didn’t suck enough to be a Clippers season-ticket holder.

FA in 2010.

by ClipperChuck on Dec 7, 2009 12:38 AM PST up reply actions  

Great post!

I think its cool EJ engages you guys. Hopefully he thinks of LA as his new home and will want to play here after the contract expires.

by big0lbad on Dec 6, 2009 9:38 PM PST reply actions  

If he listens to Camby he will.

Camby loves to give EJ compliments. After our win against Indiana, he said that he told Eric that he (Eric) was going to be a Clipper for a long time. In the Memphis game, he said that Eric was going to be a superstar.

I could see him potentially wanting to play in Indiana, since that is his home; but I think he would stay provided we are a competitive team with aspirations of winning. As long as Sterling pays him when he’s a RFA, we should have him at least 7 more seasons.

by Lawler 4ever on Dec 7, 2009 1:04 AM PST up reply actions  

EJ

Should be a Clipper for a very long time as long as the next collective bargaining agreement doesn’t change drastically. If teams still have bird rights, can offer the extra year and have the RFA protection (being able to match offers) then unless EJ prices himself out we should keep him. If he doesn’t improve at all in the next few years he’ll still command 6years/60million. If he keeps improving his all-around game then he could be a max player. BG plays a key role in this as well as their fates can be tied together as the better the Clippers are when there rookie deals end the better odds we have of keeping them.

FA in 2010.

by ClipperChuck on Dec 7, 2009 1:17 AM PST up reply actions  

I agree completely

It’s funny that you mention what EJ would be worth if he didn’t improve at all, because that’s something that I have thought about as well. He’d still be an above average guard capable of playing good perimeter defense and putting up a nice scoring total on efficient percentages. That would easily be worth $10M/year. Thankfully for us, he’s a hard worker and always looking for ways to improve his game.

BG is another player that should be on the team for a minimum of 8 years provided he has a healthy career. The two of them together go hand in hand imo. You couldn’t really ask for a better young duo. They’re both 20 years of age, talented, hard working, humble and have high B-Ball IQ. We have only seen them play a couple of games together, but they should be a winning combination with all that they each bring to the table. They are great people to build around.

by Lawler 4ever on Dec 7, 2009 1:46 AM PST up reply actions  

Great write-up!

Thanks for sharing!

"look, you can find any coach you want, bring him in here and run the situation. But I don't think they are going to do as good a job as I do." -Mike Dunleavy Sr.

by CLiPPz WeRD 12 on Dec 6, 2009 9:41 PM PST reply actions  

I'm glad to see someone from the team express their opinion on the whole "Fire Dunleavy" chant

Those guys think they are being funny or starting a movement, but really it IS really annoying and moral deflating during a game.

At least they’ve kept it to moments when we are losing instead of while we are winning now…

by Newton Pham on Dec 6, 2009 9:49 PM PST reply actions  

True

makes no sense to chant it while we’re winning. I understand blowouts, but now perfectly win-able games. I also think Gordon gets a bit annoyed of those chants is because he had a similar experience over at IU.

by JackduhSun on Dec 6, 2009 10:26 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah it really is annoying

They might feel different off the court but during games, they want to hear their home crowd supporting them. Cheering them on, not hearing batches of people crucifying their coach. How’s that going to make them play better and build adrenaline and confidence.

by dulciusEXasperis on Dec 7, 2009 4:51 PM PST up reply actions  

Real true

Definitely annoying and from where I sit I can see the players look up into the crowd.

How are we supposed to build a culture around this team if we only rail on them? We’re close to .500 yet pick on the little things. There are so many positives moving forward.

GREAT POST!

by yaggiefresh on Dec 7, 2009 11:27 PM PST up reply actions  

Awesome!

After reading this is the ONLY time I’ve missed not renewing this year.

Great post. Thanks for sharing your day with us.

All that being said I still think I’m ok with not having renewed. I think going to most of the games so far would have just frustrated me – even in the wins. Hopefully the team will start playing better basketball (even in the losses) and I look forward to going to some games when Blake comes back.

I’m pretty sure I will be able to get just as good, if not better seats per game through the web deals or exchange. But I sure would have liked to have been there at the STH day…the privileges of commitment…

by moKi on Dec 6, 2009 9:50 PM PST reply actions  

jason powell

was he there and did anybody ask him why r guys seem to get hurt more than others

by ImranQ on Dec 6, 2009 10:04 PM PST reply actions  

Jason was not there, as all of the other staff members introduced themselves (a few video interns, an advance scout, a few PR people, etc.). However, it wouldn’t have surprised me if someone had asked that question as Lucas encouraged that kind of question by saying he liked the “open dialogue.” FYI I actually thought about asking Eric whether he reads clipsnation.com but I really wanted to ask the question about Mayo and Westbrook more.

Relatedly, all of the STHs had to sign injury waivers (which wasn’t surprising) but they also had two paramedics with a stretcher courtside just in case. Thankfully, they weren’t needed.

FYI all of the drills and full court scrimmages were tough!

"Not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted" – Albert Einstein

by Another son of Mike Smith on Dec 6, 2009 11:46 PM PST up reply actions  

Man..

bq.I was a bit surprised that Gordon emphasized the importance of the crowd in getting the players amped up. He said the fourth quarter of the Memphis game was the loudest he had ever heard in Staples since he joined the team.\

The crowd was loud alright; sadly that was the loudest EJ has heard from us. I’m glad that I was part of the crowd, but I’m hoping we can get just as loud. If not, EJ might have a desire to play for a team with a louder fan base. Not encouraging EJ’s departure, but I would think fan supports are somewhat of a factor when a player determines their next contract…

by JackduhSun on Dec 6, 2009 10:29 PM PST reply actions  

If they win more games

then more fans will come out. Heck most of us are scared of games against the likes of the Lakers, Magic, Cavs etc because it could easily end up being a one sided blood bath. I’m not encouraging the bandwagon fans but at the same time we won 19 games last year so that explains why the fans are fewer and less vocal than usual (plus the recession is hurting ticket sales).

During the last playoff run (which seems like a lifetime ago now) the Clips were selling out games on a regular basis. If you build it (it being a good team0 they will come.

FA in 2010.

by ClipperChuck on Dec 6, 2009 10:32 PM PST up reply actions  

Understood the logic

that in order to fill in seats, you have to win, but the loudest EJ has heard? I’m just hoping Clipper fans can be more vocal… It’d be ncie to hear “defense.”

by JackduhSun on Dec 6, 2009 10:47 PM PST up reply actions  

I was a bit surprised that Gordon emphasized the importance of the crowd in getting the players amped up. He said the fourth quarter of the Memphis game was the loudest he had ever heard in Staples since he joined the team.bq.

*meant to quote it

by JackduhSun on Dec 6, 2009 10:30 PM PST reply actions  

Btw, great post

Thanks for the headsup Another Son

by JackduhSun on Dec 6, 2009 10:31 PM PST reply actions  

Thanks for the report

DJ had a signing at the LA Auto Show today, which may be why he left early.

It’s great to get a better idea of how EJ and Lucas perceive things. Both of their presences are going to play a huge factor as to whether we are going to have a successful season or not.

by Lawler 4ever on Dec 7, 2009 12:53 AM PST reply actions  

That sounds pretty cool

It sounds like a pretty awesome event and Lucas being available along with EJ for interviews/Q&A is pretty nice.

By the way, is Lucas still wearing that cast on his foot?

by penguin35 on Dec 7, 2009 3:48 AM PST reply actions  

No cast. He was dressed in sweats and moving comfortably.

I should also mention that the drills were going at each end of two courts, so there were four groups going at a time – each run by a drill “coach”. Lucas seemed to just move around from one drill to the other. Some of the drill coaches were pretty hardcore – lots of enthusiasm but also giving us grief if we didn’t cut hard enough off the pick. Funny.

"Not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted" – Albert Einstein

by Another son of Mike Smith on Dec 7, 2009 2:50 PM PST up reply actions  

do lakers season ticket holders

have any of the same access to their team like cippers STH, i only had season tix one year but the cilps give u all these opportunities to meet the players and coaches, does anybody know if they do this kind of stuff or is there to many laker fans where they dont even need to bother with gimmicks like the clippers, i cant imagine kobe wanting to meet with fans

by ImranQ on Dec 7, 2009 8:28 AM PST reply actions  

Nope

No they don’t. I met a guy at a bar the other night who is a Laker STH and he said they get no perks. He did mention that at the end of the season he got a package with “championship” paraphernalia. Eh.

by yaggiefresh on Dec 7, 2009 11:32 PM PST up reply actions  

Thanks for the xlnt post

"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.

by Jax on Dec 7, 2009 10:44 AM PST reply actions  

Cool event

What section do you sit AnotherSonOfMikeSmith?

FA in 2010.

by ClipperChuck on Dec 7, 2009 11:35 AM PST reply actions  

Section 116 row D on the aisle (baseline close to Clips bench)

When Steve P is there, I usually try to go over and say hi at halftime — he sits in press area on other end of the same baseline.

Stop by and say hello sometime.

"Not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted" – Albert Einstein

by Another son of Mike Smith on Dec 7, 2009 12:33 PM PST up reply actions  

Section 116

I’m in 116, row 4, seats 7 and 8. The tall Indian guy with a beard. Compared to other sections I always feel like we get pretty loud. Agreed?

by yaggiefresh on Dec 7, 2009 11:33 PM PST up reply actions  

I’d like to think we’re loud, but certainly not as loud as Clipper Darrell. He is on the opposite side of the arena and I can hear everything he yells. I could never do that.

"Not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted" – Albert Einstein

by Another son of Mike Smith on Dec 8, 2009 12:14 AM PST up reply actions  

Yah but

I think that’s just one person vs. the rest. I think we, collectively, can do more. Plus we always manage to (jokingly) cheer for Ricky Davis. Sigh.

by yaggiefresh on Dec 8, 2009 12:39 AM PST up reply actions  

I have a question:

what is row D, or row K for that matter? I was looking around for tickets and row K’s ( I think) poped up and I was wondering where exactly that is …

by JackduhSun on Dec 7, 2009 11:35 PM PST up reply actions  

I don’t know how deep they go into the alphabet, but the first row courtside is not row 1 but row A. So being in Row D, I sit four rows back (which is actually more like five rows since there is effectively a row removed for walking between rows B and C.) Hope that helps.

"Not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted" – Albert Einstein

by Another son of Mike Smith on Dec 8, 2009 12:12 AM PST up reply actions  

Thanks for the write-up...

That was a great read, you just did everybody who reads Clipsnation a favor, but sadly Brian Skinner will still eat you and/or your house and car.

Yay yay.

by KamanHomie on Dec 7, 2009 11:57 AM PST reply actions  

For Skinner, I'm willing to take one for the team...

"Not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted" – Albert Einstein

by Another son of Mike Smith on Dec 7, 2009 12:34 PM PST up reply actions  

LOL

"look, you can find any coach you want, bring him in here and run the situation. But I don't think they are going to do as good a job as I do." -Mike Dunleavy Sr.

by CLiPPz WeRD 12 on Dec 7, 2009 1:16 PM PST up reply actions  

Awesome write up!

That was a nice write up and i felt like i was there with you. Gordon and Griffin are our
future with the hustle and pride they have for not wanting to lose any games.

by ENCUEROMAN on Dec 7, 2009 2:16 PM PST reply actions  

Great post

Now I feel bad that I didn’t look at it until it was bumped to the front page. But I’ll tell you why. The title “STH Event” made me think it was some kind of routine meeting, probably with Roeser, giving thanks and answering questions.

But a scrimmage/practice with Lucas! That sounds like it must have been fun, and it would be cool just to be able to show up at the practice facility to play a little bit.

The Clippers are so funny. I never know if it’s one step forward and two back, or two steps forward and one back. There are actually all sorts of forward steps. Building the practice facility is one of them. Drafting guys like Gordon and Griffin are huge steps. Hiring Dunleavy, back in the day, was a nice step forward. Maybe that has balanced out by now, maybe he’s deep in the red, it depends on your point of view. Hiring Lucas seems to be another nice step forward. The fact that they did an event like this for the paying regular fans is a nice move. Glad it went well. Nice work!

by citizen zhiv on Dec 7, 2009 2:42 PM PST reply actions  

Zhiv’s comment reminds me of another moment from the event. After the scrimmage, I started up conversation with a nice guy who was a STH (For 15 years! He sits right behind the opponents’ bench) We talked about a bunch of stuff and he mentioned how they tried a similar event a few months ago but this one was much better organized.

For some reason, it felt like a microcosm of the Clips for me in recent years – they didn’t get it right the first time, but they didn’t get discouraged, they tried again and made some real improvements such that the event was a total success as far as I was concerned. The big thing was that they tried. At the end of the day, I’m often willing to cut the team a break… so long as I know they’re really making an effort. Say what you want about all of the criticism – but they did this event really well and I plan to share that feedback with them through my rep. For as much grief as they receive when they do things poorly, they deserve positive reinforcement when they get it right.

"Not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted" – Albert Einstein

by Another son of Mike Smith on Dec 7, 2009 3:52 PM PST up reply actions  

Yes, I suspect that he's talking about the event

at the beginning of the year that they tried to have outside on the deck at Staples but of course it rained and they had to move things inside with everyone else. Just horrible luck, but typical.

"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.

by Jax on Dec 7, 2009 4:23 PM PST up reply actions  

Could be referring to the tour of the practice facility as well

We got to see the offices, locker room, training room, practice court etc etc. The most depressing thing was the trophy case which had few awards.

FA in 2010.

by ClipperChuck on Dec 7, 2009 5:36 PM PST up reply actions  

why would they build a trophy case?

It just seems stupid, typical Clippers. That’s so dumb. Leave the space, know that you want to put a trophy case there—if you ever do anything and actually win a frigging trophy!

What’s could be more depressing than an empty trophy case for an NBA team that has been around for 30+ years? Don’t you already know that you have no division chapionships, no conference championships, barely any all-stars or players of the week. Basically, you’ve got nothing—so don’t build the thing!

Lots of comedy there for the Clipper bashers. “Have you heard about the trophy case at the Clippers practice facility…”

Doh!

by citizen zhiv on Dec 7, 2009 6:22 PM PST up reply actions  

It wasn't empty...

It had Griffin’s “#1” jersey, some community service awards for the team, and a few other items that made complete sense to include (but they escape my foggy memory at the moment.) Right around the corner on the way to the gym, they had some really nice poster sized photos of the initial press conferences for Gordon, Baron, Griffin and Camby. Yeah, it would have been nice to see a world championship trophy in the case, but it wasn’t depressing.

"Not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted" – Albert Einstein

by Another son of Mike Smith on Dec 7, 2009 7:36 PM PST up reply actions  

Way up in the back corner of the case...

"Not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted" – Albert Einstein

by Another son of Mike Smith on Dec 8, 2009 12:15 AM PST up reply actions  

I thought the case was pretty sad

considering the franchise has been in LA for 25 years and we still have no awards in it. No MVPs, no All-Star Game MVPs, no ROY, no Division Champs much less Conference or Finals Champs. The only thing I can remember us winning was Brent Barry’s Slam Dunk trophy.

FA in 2010.

by ClipperChuck on Dec 8, 2009 12:45 AM PST up reply actions  

Nice!

You made it onto Rotoworld!

Clearly they have a fan who reads this site….

by madglove on Dec 7, 2009 3:05 PM PST reply actions  

Season Ticket Holders are getting HOSED

http://www.ticketmaster.com/promo/71qcqk

Again, the Clippers are pulling these shenanigans. These tickets are available at CHEAPER rates than the ones i paid for in the same section. Didnt they get the point last year? Sorry, but this organziation sucks.

by cueball123 on Dec 7, 2009 3:21 PM PST reply actions  

I don't mean to offend

but it sounds like it’s the season ticket holders who didn’t learn their lesson.
The Clippers learned that there are still plenty of people who will pay Season Ticket prices even AFTER they sold these cheap tickets last season.

by dprski33 on Dec 7, 2009 3:43 PM PST up reply actions  

What lesson should I have learned?

I’m not trying to invalidate your frustration, but I think you’re operating under the assumption that all STHs should be outraged or should have taken heed to last year’s experience. I respectfully disagree. As far as I’m concerned, last season’s play was last season’s play. I weighed the possibility that the team would offer heavily discounted tickets again this year, but I also weighed the possibility that the team would do so well out of the gate that they wouldn’t have to discount tickets. Obviously, the former has happened so far, but I don’t view that as some form of betrayal on the part of the team. In my humble opinion, what they’re doing is not “shenanigans”. It’s a business, and they’re responding to market conditions. Yesterday’s event is a perfect example where even though the “value” of my seats is less than it would be if the Clips had a perfect record, I still get extra value out of making a commitment to the team.

The reality is that I negotiated hard for extra perks in my package and I got most of what I wanted because that made the difference between the team getting a commitment from me vs staying on the fence. I went into this season with my eyes wide open and even though I wish the team were doing better, I’m certainly not going to get all worked up into a tizzy because somebody is getting a better deal. If those deals bring more real fans out to the games, gets them excited and gets the team amped up and thus playing better, then I’m all in favor of discounted ticket programs.

"Not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted" – Albert Einstein

by Another son of Mike Smith on Dec 7, 2009 4:10 PM PST up reply actions  

Here's the problem

My representative assured me that this would not happen again. What’s the incentive of buying seats in bulk if I can wait around and get them later at a CHEAPER price? They should not sell those tickets below what we paid for them. Because guys that are paying 1/2 price for Orlando tickets aren’t the same guys who had to fork down STH prices for garbage games like the Indiana one the other night. I’ve been a ticketholder for over 9 years, and that was one of the the most boring games i’ve ever watched.

by cueball123 on Dec 7, 2009 4:35 PM PST up reply actions  

Your rep assured you that tickets would not go on sale?

Um, and you believed him?

As ASOMS says, you should be considering whether you need to buy all the tickets up front. Its a gamble. If the team is good, then the tickets won’t be moved at firesale prices. If the team sucks, then the likelihood goes up that the Clippers will try to recoup the sunk costs by offering deep discounts. Unsold seats do the Clippers no good. Like people who get bargains right before a flight takes off, the flight is going to its destination anyway. Any price you can get for those empty seats (less variable expenses like costs of peanuts or meals or something) should be considered for the sales price.

Your ticket rep had no business telling you that people wouldn’t get deep discounts for crappy matchups if the Clippers are a sub .500 team. Some ticket reps are getting fired for lying to customers, might want to check and see if yours is still around.

by Michael White on Dec 7, 2009 4:40 PM PST up reply actions  

Sorry, I've got to side with cueball. I was pissed last year too, so this year I

didn’t renew. My rep. (who’s a decent enough fellow) thoroughly defended the organization (as he should) and refused to give in to any perks whatsoever. Basically, take it or leave it. So I left it.

Then a few months later I broke down and purchased half season tickets. It still sucks when the organization undercuts you, but it was inevitable. Perhaps next year I won’t bother to purchase at all.

But if they fire Dunleavy…

by eastie Rich on Dec 7, 2009 5:31 PM PST up reply actions  

Wow,those are great prices

$20 for 200 level tix? wow….looks like I’ll make my way down to Staples more often. Many other teams have similar shenanigans…I know it sucks when you are a STH.

This is going to be my team, and we're going to rise together.
-Clipper Darrell

by oasisman on Dec 7, 2009 5:29 PM PST up reply actions  

Ahem.

"Buckle your seat belts, folks. This one's doing down to the wire." -The inimitable Ralph Lawler.

by Gordon for President on Dec 7, 2009 4:30 PM PST reply actions  

Update

I just received a few pics from the event from the team photographer who was there… including two pics of me with EJ. Nice!

Since I can’t figure out how to post them within the thread, I have forwarded them to Steve P. Hopefully, he can get one or more of them up so you can guys can get a sense for what it was like.

"Not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted" – Albert Einstein

by Another son of Mike Smith on Dec 7, 2009 5:01 PM PST reply actions  

This was a great post

I enjoyed reading your write-up. EJ sounds like he is the face of this franchise. I like that, and so should every Clipper fan. I hope the national media starts talking about him, after all, he does out play almost every SG he is matched up against.

by NBAFAN8 on Dec 7, 2009 8:53 PM PST reply actions  

Thanks.

You’re right — EJ is everything that I love about the Clips. Just a lunch pail kind of guy who keeps his head down, doesn’t say much and just executes at all of the little things. For all of the things that I wish were different about the franchise, he is one thing that I would absolutely not change. I’m looking forward to meeting him again at a future event (hopefully with a lot more wins under our belt).

"Not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted" – Albert Einstein

by Another son of Mike Smith on Dec 7, 2009 9:44 PM PST up reply actions  

Great Post

Thanks for the info. This is great stuff.

It’s nice to hear all the positive things about EJ. Why was Lucas there and not MDSR? Is this a sign of something to come?

by The Blake Griffin Era on Dec 7, 2009 9:57 PM PST reply actions  

One last story.

I can’t believe I forgot to add this in my post.

Someone asked a rather pointed question about why we don’t compete well against sub-.500 teams. Lucas started to answer it rather seriously, but then all of a sudden he looked at one of the STHs sitting on the floor and said rather seriously “stand up.”

The guy stood up – he was probably in his fifties, pasty white, balding, a bit overweight and sweaty from the scrimmage.

Lucas then said, “stand over there,” pointing to a spot a few feet away from Gordon. Lucas, Gordon and this guy were the only people standing.

Unsure what to do, the guy moved the few feet toward EJ. EJ just stood there. Everyone was just looking around wondering what was going to happen.

Lucas was just serious enough throughout the practice that I almost thought for a minute that he was going to scold him for talking or something like that…

Then after a pregnant pause, he said “Look at him next to Gordon,. Doesn’t he look like Dunleavy?”

It was true – middle age, balding, slightly overweight with some of the same facial features. The guy did look like MDSr!

The place ROARED with laughter, including Gordon.

I don’t know if anyone else there picked up on it, but to me it was so obvious that Lucas understood there was a time for seriousness and time to let everyone loosen up a bit. It was a master stroke on his part (and yes, the mark of a good coach).

"Not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted" – Albert Einstein

by Another son of Mike Smith on Dec 7, 2009 10:00 PM PST reply actions  

Ha! And it's true...

I have a hard time imagining MDsr making much use of levity.

by SilverClip on Dec 7, 2009 11:10 PM PST up reply actions  

THAT WAS HILARIOUS.

seriously, straight out of the blue. ej was cracking up. but i thought it was a lot funnier when we were doing the stretches for the thighs standing on one leg. Everybody looked like a bunch of clowns because they didn’t have any balance and coach Lucas was like “Ya remember Sam Cassel? Ya look like him.” hahahahaha. He straight up called us ugly. now THAT was the highlight.

by shimmywitbillycrs on Dec 8, 2009 9:02 AM PST up reply actions  

That's right - I forgot about that one. He did effectively call us ugly. Funny stuff.

"Not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted" – Albert Einstein

by Another son of Mike Smith on Dec 8, 2009 11:09 AM PST reply actions  

What kind of perks were you able to get?

I’m curious as to what kind of perks the Clippers through in to get you to renew? Maybe we should look into starting a season ticket holders union and negotiate a collective bargaining agreement with the team to make sure all STH get the same deal. We all get the same or no one renews.

by Clipster Hipster on Dec 8, 2009 12:23 PM PST reply actions  

What a great idea. I've never recieved any perks and alot of it has to do with who your

rep. is. I’ve had some lousy reps – and good ones that have left the organization. One of the reasons I didn’t renew this year was because I was offered nothing, and after the way they played last year I just didn’t think it was worth it.

So, this year I’m at a game (half season tickets) and I run into one of our old friends who’s a STH. She got one seat for free for renewing. That’s right, she purchased one seat at full price and was given the adjacent seat – and season long free parking – as a throw in.

Yeah I’m jealous, after being a STH for 8 yrs and being offered nothing. It all depends who your rep. is.

by eastie Rich on Dec 8, 2009 4:57 PM PST up reply actions  

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