The Latest Kaman Rumors
Citizen ClippersUK has posted a FanShot from a David Aldridge column on NBA.com. The money quote, for those who haven't seen it yet, is this:
And even though the Clippers have specifically denied it to me, I keep hearing they're still determined to repatriate Chris Kaman, figuring they can go 10-40 just as well without him as with his remaining three years and $33.9 million.
Times beat reporter Lisa Dillman has a post up on the Fabulous Forum blog with her take on the likelihood of Kaman being moved before the trade deadline. Her conclusion - not very likely, since the Clippers don't seem to be even planning to get Kaman back on the court until after the deadline (a revelation in it's own right, continuing the trend of Kaman's foot moving backwards through time).
For my part, I view the statement about Kaman above as a throwaway. It's one sentence in a pretty lengthy column focused on the tough economic realities that NBA owners are facing. Frankly, it may be completely true from an economic standpoint - if the Clippers could trade Kaman for salary relief (i.e. if they truly could save a ton of money on his future salary) they might do that. Of course it's more than a little short-sighted. They can't by salary cap rules, save significant money this season. So by the time the savings kicked in, the economy will have changed. Sterling has always been a 'buy and hold' guy, so while his net worth is clearly down on paper, traditionally that hasn't mattered a whole lot to him. You have to admire him for that, at least.
The simple fact remains as well that it may not be possible to trade Kaman for straight cap relief. How many $10M expiring contracts are out there? Does that team want Kaman?
UPDATE: I decided I had a few more things to say about this.
There's a difficult conflict of interest here for coach/GM Dunleavy. The guy wearing the GM hat may have marching orders to save money now, and may even have a desire to build for the future at the expense of the present (imagine for example a trade scenario of Kaman for an expiring deal and a prospect or a pick). But the guy wearing the coach hat is under pressure to win now. MDsr's job is safer than perhaps it should be, but he can't be considered invulnerable.
Of course Dunleavy has implied all along that he likes the idea of having three starting quality bigs and doesn't consider it a problem or a log jam. He said it outright a couple weeks ago - "No plans at all [to trade a big]. We want to see how they play together. We think they can be one of the best front lines in basketball. I think they can work well together; I just haven't seen it happen yet.". The rumors obviously persist, though it's interesting to note that the back story has changed. For a couple months after the Randolph trade it was "The Clippers have a glut of bigs, they need to trade one." Now it's, "The Clippers are looking to save money, they need to trade Kaman." The real reason for persistent rumors of course is simpler - tossing the names of seven footers around is exciting and fun!
Along those lines, I can't help but be a little snide looking at Aldridge's supposition. (I wasn't going to go there, but there I go.) Let's break it down:
- "Even though the Clippers have specifically denied it to me, I keep hearing...." A fascinating construction. He presents conflicting information (he's not being shopped, he is being shopped), and provides attribution for the first viewpoint. But the viewpoint that supports his overall theme is the one he strongly implies is correct - yet he provides absolutely no attribution. "I keep hearing..." From whom? Maybe you keep hearing it because you keep saying it and you can hear yourself. He doesn't even bother to hint at who might be floating this contrary position. If the Clippers deny it, whom exactly is in a position to contradict that? Presumably it's other GMs, or perhaps the league office, who are privy to discussions involving Kaman. Or maybe it's Kaman's agent. But it's pretty noticeable that he doesn't bother to label his source in even the vaguest of terms.
- "They can go 10-40 just as well without him..." There's a minor factual error here. The Clippers were never in fact 10-40. They were 10-39, but they had 12 wins before they got their 40th loss. A minor point. The bigger problem with the phrase is the implication that they compiled that record with him. Kaman has played in 15 games - fewer than 30% of the Clippers' games so far. They can do that badly without him? Well, I should think so, since they did. It's completely specious - he presents an argument as if it supports his position, but in fact it doesn't at all.
- In the pet peeve department, the use of the verb 'repatriate' in this sentence is somewhere between incorrect and nonsensical. Repatriate, in it's dictionary definition, would be to send Kaman back to his own country. Is Aldridge trying to be clever, in reference to Kaman's German passport obtained in order to play in last summer's Olympics? Well, that would require the Clippers to be discussing trades with clubs in Germany, which is clearly not true, and wouldn't be of any money saving use at any rate under the collective bargaining agreement. Even if we take some license with the literal definition, the word would only make sense if they wanted to send him BACK somewhere - which begs the question, whence? He's played his entire NBA career with the Clippers. Are they sending him back to Michigan to play for the Pistons? Surely Aldridge meant to say they wish to 'exile' him or to 'excommunicate' him. At any rate, it's pretty clear that Aldridge is misusing a big fancy word here. I find this sort of catachresis extremely discommodious.
So, as I mentioned, it's a bit of a throwaway sentence in a larger column. The fact that he provides no attribution, gets the facts wrong, draws spurious conclusions and misuses the language (all in one sentence!) makes me somewhat disinclined to believe it.
But what do I know? I am pretty much constantly wrong.
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I may be in the minority here
But I am intrigued by seeing the Zach-Chris-Marcus trio in action. Chris has always had a unique skillset, in fact all three of these guys do relative to each other, and combined could do a lot of damage (when healthy of course).
I recall reading somewhere that Chris loves it in LA and that is probably a reason why his “recovery” has been so slow. The team is completely out of the playoff picture, so why not take the time to get back to 100%, wait for that trade deadline to pass, and then return to action (from his perspective)?
Having said that, despite being a Chris Kaman homer, you always leave your options open and if the right deal came along I’d be open to dealing the German beast.
Do you envision Zach-Chris-Marcus on the floor at the same time? I assume Kaman will play center and Z-Bo playing the 4 with Camby coming off the bench (or something along those lines.) I am also intrigued by what Kaman and Z-Bo can do together. Kaman can score in the paint and since Zach can pull out and shoot 20 footers, i think those two would make a strong offensive combo.
At this point wouldn’t Camby have much more value in a trade anyway?
by Michael White on Feb 10, 2009 1:25 PM PST up reply actions
Lots of factors
It was a NY Daily News reporter who said that Kaman was intentionally delaying his return until after the trade deadline because he didn’t want to leave LA. But it’s not solely his decision of course. Another team may be slightly less willing to acquire him before his return, but by the same token, the guy has missed 61 of the last 93 games. So even if he played all three games between now and the deadline (that is, starting tomorrow night), the acquiring team would be banking on (a) Kaman 2.0 from the first half of 07-08 and (b) him staying healthy. These three games matter little at this point, it would seem to me. If he wanted to damage his trade value, mission accomplished by playing one third of the games for the last 13 months.
Then there are the two types of trades – a team building trade, or a salary dump. Aldridge is saying the Clippers are looking for a salary dump. We’ll see. There is a major conflict of interest for a coach/GM like MDsr in this sort of situation. The GM may want to save money now, and even build for the future. But the coach wants to win now.
In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd
by Steve Perrin on Feb 10, 2009 1:31 PM PST up reply actions
Something doesn't add up...
That whole, “…doesn’t want to leave LA…” thing. The guy hunts and fishes, drives to Alaska or somewhere in a motorhome, the bow and arrow stuff. He’s not exactly an LA kinda guy… is he? All reported by some guy in New York… I don’t get it.
And dumping salary now? It doesn’t save DTS any money this year… because you’d have to take back equivalent salary, right? So, if you trade for a player or players who have shorter contracts that might save you dough down the line, but not now. Especially since Kaman’s value is deflated by his injury status.
And, say what you want about MDSr, every move he’s made this year has been in an effort to better the team. I guess the Hassan Adams deal shaved a bit off the bottom line, but the roster’s still at or near the max number of players.
If the Clips do move Kaman (or anyone else) before the trading deadline, it will surprise me if it’s a move designed just to cut salary.
Heat?
They need a post, we need another wing. Marion’s expiring deal?
Keep Kaman
I want us to keep all 3 bigs and I think like CS, it’s another point just chucked into Aldridges column just to take up space.
One of our problems now seems to be that everyone wants to be on the perimeter shooting the ball, totally the opposite to how we used to put the ball into Elton and Kaman.
I want Kaman on the floor as a low post threat so we can give teams spacing problems
Bingo! Oh me oh my!
Pack your bags Kaman!
CS has spoken! Reverse mojo in action….
"Duck, Crab. Crab, Duck"
Roger Sterling - Mad Men
give it a few hours...
"Duck, Crab. Crab, Duck"
Roger Sterling - Mad Men
by Lawler's Law on Feb 10, 2009 1:43 PM PST up reply actions
So hilariously funny...
I wish I had that kind of power.
In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd
by Steve Perrin on Feb 10, 2009 3:03 PM PST up reply actions
That's what I was thinking, reading this
It has all the markings of the Clips Nation reverse mojo.
1) It makes no sense.
2) It would presumably be bad for the team.
3) We haven’t seen the Clips play with a full roster this season or last.
4) Kaman is a promising player with an affordable contract.
5) Aldridge clearly has no strong source or firm idea what he’s talking about, and the “they can go 10-40 without him” is a mind-boggling argument. Yes, they did go 10-39 without him. That’s what happened.
So until the trade deadline we probably have to live with a high likelihood that something might happen.
by citizen zhiv on Feb 10, 2009 5:15 PM PST up reply actions
As I said in another thread
I’ve heard that the Clippers want to get rid of Kaman but there are no takers
And if true that could make sense – he’s expensive, injury prone and lacks focus
Having kaman off the bench
is more scoring than the rest of the bunch. But i don’t see a Randolph-Kaman-Camby combo at the same time, we’ll be in the same boat as the 76ers. It’ll be all huddled in the center
I think Kamman is going
He has been out for two long with a minor injury which reminds me of al harington before he got traded. I found it also intrestting that the day zbo came in kamman went out and as nice as it would be to have him come off the bench which im sure they wanted to do gives kamman himself more reason to be traded he has started and has been for awile and camby plays great as well as a starter so it sounds nice but it wont happen. We are strugling in other areas then are big men and we need help, if anybody come off the bench it needs to be thorton he has alot of energy but is very inconsitent game to game, it would not surpise me to if they trade kamman to a team who needs a big for a good starting sf so thorton can come off the bench. We all love kamman but he has never panned out and probbly never will to the level you want him to he is a solid center not a superstar,
Kamman off the bench
Why would Kamman be happy doing this why would he do it? I am not surpised his injury as taken so long thats cause hes the odd man out and im sure there is alot more behind the scence then u think is going on. If the clippers cant trade him for what they want they have no problem waiting with him on the injured list cause its clear his not part of the plan for this team in the first place and it would take away from the guys who are part of the plan. I will go even as far to say if the clippers dont trade him this season he will be in the offseason and not see much playing time this year
ric bucher
just said clippers
wanted maggs mwill for baron. interesting. reverse trade? buyers remorse?
too bad warriors turned it down.
Was on espn
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/columns/story?columnist=ford_chad&page=TradeWatchPG-090210&campaign=rss&source=NBAHeadlines
by FireDunleavy.com on Feb 10, 2009 3:43 PM PST up reply actions
Sources
That link (properly formatted here) provides the following blurb from much-loved Chad Ford.
"Baron Davis, Clippers After playing in all 82 games last season and securing a hefty contract from the Clippers, Davis has spent much of the season on the shelf due to tailbone and hamstring injuries.
I doubt Mike Dunleavy would hesitate to move him if he could. In fact, sources insist they’ve already offered him back to Golden State for Corey Maggette."
So, basically the source is Chad Ford, himself sort of citing conjecture.
Baron’s probably on the trading block. But Dunleavy pushing for Maggette doesn’t really ring true. Giving up an oft-injured PG for an oft-injured forward. I understand Maggette’s still padding his stats on a garbage team, but I doubt Dunleavy is suddenly enamored enough for a second go.
Warriors turned it down?
I find that surprising. Rumor has it they are dying to dump Corey.
I would almost go along with this, but we would never hear the end of the Stuckey thing from Jax.
F-Elton!
you
f0rget baron’s contract is as bad as Corey’s. If the Warrior FO didnt want to sign Baron originally why would they want him now? especially since Baron is playing like trash and Corey has been scoring efficiently off the bench.
Actually, according to Tim Kawakami
Baron was offered a hefty contract.
That Rowell guy nixed it on the premise that Maggette would lead the dubs to the promised land much better than Baron.
you forgot to mention
Baron and Kaman for Kidd was also shot down by Dallas.
Supposedly.
F-Elton!
Both of these confuse me
I had ESPN on when Bucher brought these two two trades up and I can’t believe either one was ever serious. I don’t want any of those guys.
I don't trust ESPN.
I don’t get why the Clippers would make the trade to get Maggs back. I know that the organization is completely inept, but I still don’t buy the thinking that Baron is failing so we should trade him for Maggs and go back to square one. That doesn’t really improve either team. They both remain crappy, but with their original parts.
"When I was a boy of fourteen, my father was so ignorant I could hardly stand to have the old man around. But when I got to be twenty-one, I was astonished by how much he'd learned in seven years." -Mark Twain
by WestsideBrandon on Feb 11, 2009 3:53 PM PST up reply actions
Kaman is staying
The Dunce only came to the Clippers on the condition that they drafted Kaman.
Plus, I doubt he’ll be back anytime soon.
Plus, he’s got a big contract and was ‘injured’ the last half of last year and almost all of this year.
by FireDunleavy.com on Feb 10, 2009 3:46 PM PST reply actions
A Couple of Things
Let’s talk about big men and foot injuries for a second. It’s a serious issue, all jokes about time warps aside. CS would do an expert job going through the sequence, especially the early stages of the injury. One thing that I remember is that he played on it for a game or two or a half or whatever, and it probably got a little bit worse. Then he was hoping to be day-to-day, that it was tweaked, and he was going out and working out—and it wasn’t getting better. But for a week or two at the beginning of this saga, he was hoping to come back fairly quickly, and then he shut it down. And not long after that, despite the arrival of Zbo and the fact that the season was only 25 games old, the Clips were done.
I don’t blame Kaman at all for taking his time. It’s a drag, but the only real way to make sure it’s okay is to give it time to heal, to take the extra month and stay on the safe side. All you have to do is look at Bill Walton’s career and his foot injuries to know that things can get much worse and become catastrophic in a hurry if a big man tries to play with bad feet. Look at Ilgauskas—he had to be extremely patient and pass up the prime years of his limited athleticism because of bad feet. I can live with Kaman’s injury and his slow recovery timetable, which might be quite different if Camby and Baron Davis hadn’t been injured early, and all sorts of other dominoes were standing as well. I have problems with the way that Zbo was injured, mugged by Voskuhl with no fine from the league. That’s not right. But Kaman is doing nothing wrong by doing nothing now.
The other thing that’s worth discussing here, that I keep coming back to, is how Baron Davis said, early on when things were melting down, that his first year at GSW was a nightmare, but everybody hung in and they got to know each other and made some moves and figured things out, and then they were very good. This season got tossed too quickly, for all sorts of frustrating reasons, so this is going to be a year filled with experimenting and change and it will require a lot of patience. Apparently, we’re all supposed to put our patience through quite a workout with regards to Baron Davis himself. It would be really fun to see Kaman healthy and able to run and play, filling out the roster. The only problem is that we went through this same frustrating situation last year. It doesn’t matter much who comes off the bench; it would be nice just to have 3 really good bigs. And if the Clips can hang in there, they could be playing some really great basketball at some point—we saw a glimpse in those two games—and be in very strong shape going into next year.
nba coast to coast
just watching nba coast to coast, they just reported the clippers off baron and kaman for j.kidd. mavericks turned it down though.
matt b. on ctoc....22pts!!
"Duck, Crab. Crab, Duck"
Roger Sterling - Mad Men
by Lawler's Law on Feb 10, 2009 7:14 PM PST up reply actions
wow...nba junkies or what?...about to tune in to the lakers game in a few...
"Duck, Crab. Crab, Duck"
Roger Sterling - Mad Men
by Lawler's Law on Feb 10, 2009 7:25 PM PST up reply actions
I find this sort of catachresis extremely discommodious
thank goodness for dictionary.com….
I dropped ATIII an email about this whole thing and here’s his take on it…
Rest assure, I am going to ask Mike Dunleavy that question directly
tomorrow when I see him at Staples Center. But know this: Mr. Sterling
would trade Chris Kaman in a hot minute if Dunleavy would go along with it.
But there are two obstacles at this moment:
1. Dunleavy wants to see Kaman back healthy to decide whether he should
keep Chris, Marcus or Zach. Contrary to what has been said by Dunleavy and
written by people that don’t know the Clippers inside and out like I do,
there is no way that they can keep these three post players and believe
that they’ll be happy sharing time. So, one has to go. Dunleavy just
doesn’t know which one.
2. If it is Kaman that has to go, what team is going to take him and his
hefty contract? Every coach around the league knows how the Clippers have
coddled Kaman all these years so if they put him on the trading block, then
the teams have to know that the Clippers are thoroughly disenchanted with
him.
Mr. Sterling NEVER wanted to sign Kaman to a long-term contract to begin
with and had to be arm-twisted into doing so by Dunleavy and team president
Andy Roeser, who endorses everything Dunleavy suggests.
You better believe that the Clippers are taking calls about Kaman and
probably initiating some of their own. Only, they don’t want that out there
with Dunleavy’s thumb prints on it because Kaman is ultra -sensitive and
believes (wrongly by the way) that Dunleavy is the reason why the Clippers
used their lottery pick to select him back in 2003.
Interesting stuff indeed…
"Duck, Crab. Crab, Duck"
Roger Sterling - Mad Men
by Lawler's Law on Feb 10, 2009 9:54 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Good stuff
And entirely consistent with what I’ve heard as noted above and in another thread. They would love to dump him.
In this case, DTS was right.
Also makes sense that they don’t want to keep all three.
What a mess.
Heh
Sterling not wanting to spend money. Not exactly out of character.
A stopped clock is right twice a day and all that. If we redefine “right” down to somehow having the precognition that Elton Brand would two years hence go back on his word leaving the Clippers with enough cap space to trade nothing for Camby. But still, as usual, Jax (nor DTS) provides an alternative. Since Camby is going to be gone within 2 years leaving the Clippers without a center.
Get me BD and 75 and I'm in
Thanks for the comments, John R
I was merely reporting what I’ve heard. And what I’ve heard is that they want to dump Kaman not for salary reasons but rather because they are no longer enamored with him. If one would take the time to read the AT3 email, one would see that they don’t want three bigs and that they’re no longer enamored with him. In addition, there is no indication as to why DTS didn’t want to sign Kaman. Bottom line – MDSr signed a guy to a huge five year contract with documented focus issues. His success or failure here is on MDSr. I can see John R / MDSr squirming now.
Alternatives? Let’s think about this for a minute. Kaman has played 30 out of the last 90 games. He’s not coming back until the trade deadline if then. And he’s not exactly a center the team can rely on, putting aside his focus issues. Which is why they want to get rid of him. Camby is indeed going to be gone. Let’s let big boy GM MDSr do his job and find the alternatives. After all, DTS is paying the guy $5 M per year (even though as John R points out he doesn’t do that). We should expect something from him, right?
Re EB – John R is still smarting over my reference to some predictions that he and I made last year. Indeed, what he’s actually referring to is my last spring, which (according to my math) is only one year hence, and only about four months before EB walked. Maybe John R the self-appointed stats guru can explain why he thinks March 2008 is two years hence. Oh, I get it, he’s making an argument.
In any event, March 2008 was before EB said anything about his intentions (putting aside whether he went back on his word, changed his mind – gasp, or whatever). John R is embarrassed because In that same thread, John R (yet again) incorrectly predicted that EB would stay. Um, no.
Hmmm
AT3 makes compelling arguments, of course. The “which one” question is fairly complex. The thing that has to be factored into it is Camby’s age and contract situation. Randolph has firmly established himself as a replacement for FElton. DJordan is also in the mix of this conversation, showing some good signs, but he’s a couple of years away—though it’s worth taking a look at Kaman’s learning curve and how patient all of us have been with his development. And, as is pointed out, there’s the fact that Kaman’s stock is very low at the moment. It’s worth remembering that it was much higher at the end of the Kaman 2.0 run.
Also interesting to consider that nobody wants him.
by citizen zhiv on Feb 11, 2009 7:49 AM PST up reply actions
Sorry, could you tell
me who is AT3 and what is his position in relation to the Clippers? Interesting stuff, I just don’t know who that is.
Bingo! Oh me oh my!
AT3
Art Thompson III is the dean of Clippers beat writers. He covered the team for the Orange Counter Register for I’d say 10 years (anyone have the exact number). The reality of the newspaper business being what it is, and the Clippers being who they are, the OCR discontinued their coverage of the Clippers after last season, re-assigning AT3 to the general NBA beat. As such, he still goes to every Clippers game. And with the LA Times having replaced the Clippers beat writers each of the last two years, and the Daily News replacing theirs and then re-assigning her, AT3 finds himself in a strange position – he’s not the beat writer for the team, but he’s the only reporter in town with any background or much of a relationship with anybody.
He knows a ton about the Clippers, and likes to demonstrate his knowledge – but he doesn’t get much of a chance these days.
In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd
by Steve Perrin on Feb 11, 2009 10:00 AM PST up reply actions
One quibble
ZBo is a replacement for EB offensively, not defensively. He doesn’t block shots. So we need a center who is a good defender and who blocks shots to back him up. A defensive-minded three would also be helpful given ZBo. We all took EB’s defense pretty much for granted. 20/10 and 2 blks with good percentages is very difficult to replace 1 for 1.
"I am pretty much constantly wrong."
Here here. All together now.
I think we have the makings of a good conversation here if we can keep from getting caught up in the past and FElton.
I’ve said before that ZBo has been a pleasant surprise to me. The main thing is that he seems to be a significant upgrade on FEelton on offense, especially the oft-injured, less than peak form FElton for sure. (And perhaps we should put Kaman’s impressive 30 out of 90 up against FElton’s appearances.) Add in the fact that ZBo added the 3pt shot to his arsenal in New York with D’Antoni. But you’re right that there is a significant defensive letdown, and it’s not just blocked shots, it’s also a presence and toughness in the paint. In some ways the healthy FElton is the ultimate version of the undersized Milsap/Landry guy who has killed the Clips on occasion this year, but not just a rebounder.
Camby and his shot-blocking and his activity and rebounding instincts help the cause quite a bit, and it’s a good place to start. But Kaman would help a lot and should be quite complementary not just to Randolph but to Camby as well. I’m not sold on the idea that having 3 of them doesn’t work, especially since Camby’s contract is going to be up in short order. They get the end of this season to see if they can play together, and then you have the possibility that they would play together next year, just one year. It’s pretty simple, and the next couple of months should tell the story.
On the same point, if DJordan can develop, he could provide the defense/rebounding backup to Camby that would complement ZBo.
by citizen zhiv on Feb 11, 2009 11:01 AM PST up reply actions
Nah - your post was great
And perhaps a combo of Camby and Jordan would work.
Trade deadline
Other than a financial imperative, I don’t see how making a move before the trade deadline makes any sense for the team.
I suppose if another team is willing to throw more assets our way in order to make a playoff push, but that doesn’t seem to be the implication. Of course if someone makes a great offer, the Clippers are going to listen. But is there any rush to make a move before June otherwise?
Camby is signed for one more season. His services are just as attractive in June, and his expiring contract is even more attractive. Kaman is at the low point of his trade value in over a year, and Zach isn’t the guy anyone is talking about trading. So it’s in the Clippers’ interest to have them all play, if only to showcase them.
Which leaves money. Are the Clippers in fire sale mode? We’ll see. I’ll repeat what I said in the main post. Although I have many issues with DTS, he’s still a buy and hold guy. He may want to slash costs simply because his team hasn’t been winning despite him spending money, but I don’t see the state of the economy being a huge factor for him. He made his money in the first place by BUYING in a down market.
Obviously Kaman has played only 30 of the last 90 NBA games, and that’s a huge concern to the Clippers and to other teams who might be interested in him. But I’ll point out that in 06-07, when he signed his extension, he looked wildly overpaid. For the first half of 07-08, when he was second in the league in rebounding and third in blocked shots, he looked wildly underpaid. His contract is not bad for a guy with his combination of size and skills. So to suggest that his contract makes him tough to trade strikes me as premature – he makes less than Sam Dalembert.
So it’s not the contract, it’s the injuries. He averaged 75 games per season his first four seasons in the league. He played 56 last season and will like play in fewer than 40 this year. But if he can play, he’s a bargain.
In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd
by Steve Perrin on Feb 11, 2009 2:34 PM PST up reply actions
After thinking it over
I don’t think kaman will be traded… for one his stock is probably at it’s lowest point ever. We have an oft injured 7 footer who shows flashes of good play but still doesn’t know how to finish around the rim although he has an arsenal of low post moves…
But heck, this is a blog… it’s all about throwing out crazy concepts that have no legs that somehow make their way into the MSM as “fact” and “sources” lol.
Back when Kaman was healthy, I would’ve suggested josh howard or butler would be comparable players… but now we’re looking lower… here are some ideas (although not very good)
- tinsley and Jarrett Jack for kaman deal… the only advantage would be that both Jarrett Jack and tinsley would probably be better on the court players than baron davis currently.
-kaman for Desmond Mason and Jeff Green
-kaman for Mark Blount and Mario Chalmers
-kaman for Kirk Hinrich
-kaman for Speedy Claxton, Acie Law and maybe a pick
-and last but not least my personal favorite…
kaman and our next 20 draft picks for Raef LaFrentz (those blazers are sneaky)
by cantthinkofagoodname on Feb 10, 2009 10:34 PM PST reply actions
MDsr knows Kaman's stock is low right now...
no sense in trading him now…let him come back, finish strong and shop him in the off season…
"Duck, Crab. Crab, Duck"
Roger Sterling - Mad Men

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