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Clippers 128 - Knicks 124 (OT)


Final - 2.11.2009 1 2 3 4 OT 1 Total
New York Knicks 34 25 27 24 14 124
Los Angeles Clippers 28 30 27 25 18 128

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The Clippers got a hard fought and very exciting overtime win to send them into the All Star Break - and I have to say, I'm underwhelmed.  I mean, it's great to get the win and all (except of course that it's not since the team isn't really playing for anything), but this was an uneven effort against an undermanned Knicks team. 

But let's start with the positives - there were plenty of those as well (at least on the offensive end of the floor). 

  • Eric Gordon had another 30 point night, including 6 in the overtime period.  And right on cue after I praised his scoring efficiency in a post earlier today, he scored his 30 on a mere 16 shots - 10 for 16 overall, 4 for 8 from deep, 6 for 8 free throws.  He also had 5 assists and 2 blocks, but he needs to get more than 3 rebounds, especially in a game where Nate Robinson gets 9.  His three point play on a tough baseline drive and reverse layup in the final minute of overtime prompted Mike Smith to muse "I think we're discovering who's going to be the go to guy for this team."  I hope so.  Another huge play by Gordon somewhat lost in the excitement of the final period and overtime came in the final seconds of the third quarter.  After the Knicks scored to build the lead back up to 3, Gordon got the inbounds pass with about 5 seconds on the clock.  He pushed the ball quickly up court, weaving in and out of defenders, and found Al Thornton for the quarter buzzer beater.  That's a really good play, and a very important play in the context of this game.
  • Steve Novak had the best game of his career, scoring a career high 23 and hitting a career high 6 threes.  The three he hit with 1:12 remaining in regulation to cut the Knicks' 4 point lead to 1 should have songs written about it.  The play got him only a sliver of daylight, he made the catch moving directly away from the basket, and turned and fired with Al Harrington trailing closely behind - Harrington was close enough to put his hand on Novak's hip, and there should have been a foul called.  As is the case with almost all of Novak's shots, the ball didn't even consider touching the rim - only net will do for Novak.  And talk about efficient - Novak scored 23 points on only 10 shots, and it's not like he was parading to the free throw line (he sank one very important free throw after a technical foul that we'll get to in a bit).  So with 6 triples and 2 other baskets in only 10 shots, that's 22 points directly from 10 field goal attempts.  Hokie smokes.
  • The Clippers made 15 three pointers, including 3 in the overtime period, to beat the Knicks at their own game.  Now, a couple weeks ago, 15 three pointers would have been a club record for the Clippers.  But since they made 16 against the Grizzlies last week, I guess it's now more of a weekly thing as opposed to a record.
  • Zach Randolph had 15 rebounds and 22 points, including the equalizer at the end of regulation and the go ahead bucket on the first possession of overtime.  22 doesn't sound like a huge game for Zach, especially given the Knicks defenders, but D'Antoni choose to bring quick and aggressive double teams to Z-bo all night, so when you consider the fact that the Knicks built their defense to get the ball out of Zach's hands, it becomes more aggressive.
  • Baron Davis had a Clippers season high 20 assists and hit a HUGE three pointer with 7 seconds left in overtime to give the Clippers a 5 point lead.  It was definitely one of those 'No, No, No, N....ice shot' moments, but it put the game out of reach.
  • Al Thornton had 20 points, including at least 8 on dunks, and 8 rebounds. 

But there were plenty of negatives as well.  The Knicks were playing without Chris Duhon and Quentin Richardson, and Tim Thomas only played a few minutes before shutting it down with a pulled groin muscle.  That left the Knicks with 8 available players, and the 3 guys off the bench didn't play much.  The Knicks starters ended up playing between 42 and 52 minutes each. 

  • The Clippers were completely incapable of containing Nate Robinson, who had an absolute monster game with 33 points, 15 assists, 9 rebounds and 5 steals - and only one turnover amazingly.  In the first half they were switching perimeter screens, and it was clear very quickly that Robinson had his way with anyone who switched onto him.  They made the adjustment at half time to have Gordon stay home on him and not to switch everything, and it went a litte better.  But Robinson was great ( I wish Duhon hadn't been hurt).
  • Baron Davis made his first 4 shots, including a few from the perimeter and it seemed for a few moments like maybe he was going to find his wayward jumper - he then proceeded to miss his next 12 shots - TWELVE! - before making the clinching three in OT.  The team shot over 50% DESPITE his 5 for 17 performance.  Obviously he was an effective distributor tonight with those 20 assists, but he's going to have to be an offensive threat again at some point.  Otherwise, Defenses are simply going to clog the lane and date him to shoot.
  • The Knicks got 13 more field goal attempts than the Cippers courtesy of a plus 6 in turnovers, and a minus 9 in offensive rebounds.  It's hard to win giving your opponents that many extra shots. 
  • The biggest problem with the game is that the Clippers got completely caught up in the Knicks style of play.  D'Antoni is amazing and has the Knicks playing great.  But the Clippers put up 37 threes in the game (that's got to be a record).  It's one thing when it's Novak, or even when the shot is a good look coming out of a Randolph double team.  But far too many times, Baron Davis or Ricky Davis would just set up behind the arc and shoot early in the shot clock.  With Nate Robinson forced to play 52 minutes (the Knicks were terrible the 6 minutes he wasn't in), where was the post up of Eric Gordon.  The couple of times they went to it, it worked.  They should have been abusing Robinson in the post.  Instead they want to work the ball around the perimeter looking for an open jumper. 
  • The bottom line is that the Clippers didn't deserve to win this game.  If Al Harrington doesn't foolishly get a technical foul for hanging on the rim and slapping the backboard after his dunk with 22 seconds remaining, the game is likely over and it's a Knicks win. 

By the way, I mentioned the eerie similarities between this game and the Toronto game in the preview - first game back after a long road trip, an extended break in the upcoming schedule, etc.  When Marcus Camby was unexpectedly unable to play (as was the case with the Toronto game as well) the similarities got a little close for comfort.

 

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This game is Exhibit A as to why the Clippers should not trade either Kaman nor Camby. Yes, the Knicks had their share of good outside looks, but for major stretches it was as if D’Antoni said in the huddle “ok guys, they have no bigs who can rebound nor block shots, so let’s take it to the hole as many times as possible”. And he was right. Yes, Robinson was able to penetrate at will and the LA guards have work to do to improve their defense going forward. But if Camby plays this game, he would have been licking his chops, Robinson would have been blocked repeatedly, and the Knicks would have had to go a different way (i.e., jump shooting, and they’re not half bad at it). Zach was our center tonight and he is simply not a defensive presence — we all know it and I’m personally ok with that because he does so many other things well. But this game is proof positive as to why you need at least two bigs who can consistently box out, rebound and block shots.

Baron is just killing me and I can’t stand his shot selection, but it is clear to me that he is physically hurt. Sometime toward the end of the game, he was walking to the bench so stiffly that he looked like an 80 year old man who just had back surgery. I’m NOT defending his shot selection or on-court choices, which I viewed as atrocious in this game (among others). But I am convinced there is something physically wrong. Hopefully, it is the type of ailment that is fixable (perhaps not until the offseason), because if that stiff walk is due to a chronic condition, then we got hosed in signing this guy. And in the meantime, he should be recognizing his current physical limitations and adjusting his decisionmaking accordingly.

Otherwise, I’m glad they found a way to win this game. It was ugly at times and they caught a break with Harrington’s t, but good teams find a way to capitalize on an opponent’s mistakes and the Clips did just that.

"Not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted" – Albert Einstein

by Another son of Mike Smith on Feb 12, 2009 2:14 AM PST reply actions  

I was going to post but you pretty much hit everything I was going to say. Randolph is a pure scorer, but without Camby or Kaman, there is nobody who can really play defense inside. BD was useless, in the 4th quarter he chucked up 2 threes that was rediculous. Moreover, while I’m obviously happy he made the 3 at the end of OT, he had no business taking that shot. That shot should have gone to EJ or Novak who were both lights out.

Clippers are still above .500 with Z-Bo in the starting lineup (I plan on telling my buddies this for the rest of the year so long as it holds true.)

by Michael White on Feb 12, 2009 7:59 AM PST up reply actions  

Not to defend BD

But this isn’t his type of offense, he did get 20 assists, and he did hit the winning basket.

by Jax on Feb 12, 2009 9:49 AM PST up reply actions  

Which

Wouldn’t have been necessary if he didn’t do things like miss 12 shots in a row including wide open 3’s and layups. And fail to drive isolated against Malik Rose.

No credit.

Get me BD and 75 and I'm in

by John R on Feb 12, 2009 11:33 AM PST up reply actions  

Ah, opinions . . .

BD’s obviously got some sort of nagging injury, he’s getting old, and he’s not running an offense that he flourishes in, and he’s in a shooting slump. The guy undeniably made some great passes and hit the winning shot. I suspect he’ll come out of the slump. Not so sure he’ll ever flourish in this offense or that he’ll get back the athleticism that used to be the hallmark of his game.

But since MDSr signed him for five years / $65 M, surely he sees something we don’t.

I wonder when the last time was that a Clipper PG got 20 assists in a game.

I get it though. Some people are haters. They just need to find someone to hate. They have to have enemies. These people tend to feel comfortable with authoritarian leaders. Last year for example some folks loved to hate on Corey (and later EB). This year it’s BD. When’s it gonna be MDSr? Oh yeah, never – he’s the authoritarian in the mix.

In fact, there are alot of reasons that the Clippers almost lost this game. For example, without Kaman and Camby, quick opposing guards like Nate penetrated right up the gut. Time after time after time. And David Lee had a tremendous game in the trenches. That would never have happened with Camby in the mix. Would have been an easy win. Even with that terrible PG BD playing.

by Jax on Feb 12, 2009 11:52 AM PST up reply actions  

Jax – I’m with you on the BD front. The guy needs defending. I’m not going to repeat what I’ve said on this site before but he needs some backing up. So I’m 1005 with you on that.

However…. 20 assists is great and everything but this is against the Knicks. They have no D. whatsoever, so stats get inflated. Still, it’s good to see him do smoething well this year.

And I was loving his emotion after hitting that hugely ill-advised 3.

I think we can all agree that we hope that is the start of his season getting a helluva lot better.

by keify34 on Feb 12, 2009 12:14 PM PST up reply actions  

Hard to watch

Agree with CS, AsoMS, and mw06 that, as fun as it is to watch Novak get minutes, go 8-10 with 6 threes, Gordon score 30, and AT get dunks and play pretty well, Randolph get his points and rebounds, and BD hit a big shot, this game was kind of brutal with no rebounding or defensive presence, no Camby or Kaman. Zbo got just enough rebounds for the Clips to survive, along with some improved rebounding from Thornton, Novak, BD and Gordon, but the Knicks got way too many offensive rebounds. Camby was really missed because he can run the floor and play uptempo (Kaman can too, for that matter, but his sheer existence is questionable at this point) and keep a thin team like the Knicks much more honest. So it was very good to get a win without Camby. I don’t like watching this team with Randolph playing center. After the ASB and trade deadline a few days later, I’m really looking forward to seeing the big guys.

How about starting Novak instead of Ricky Davis? Any reason not to do that in this situation? Or to make Novak the first guy off the bench? Davis2 looked slightly better than he did in his horrendous early season play, but he still managed to miss 6 3s. And then he sat in the 4th and OT, appropriately. Clips needed every single one of Novak’s 3 pointers.

The interesting thing about BDavis was how he hit his first four shots and seemed to be in the flow of the game. And then he turned into the 4th or 5th option, and the Knicks sagged on him a little bit, stayed at home on Gordon and Novak, doubleteamed Zbo effectively, and tried to defend against Thornton—and then BDavis missed his next 12 shots, as CS points out. And RDavis missed a bunch of shots in there too. Both guys named Davis need to take the ball to the basket and find other guys, and figure out a way to reduce their attempts and get shots for the shooters. In the right circumstances they can hit shots, but they’re playmakers, and they’re not the shooters on this team. The whole thing was working for BDavis at the beginning of the game, but then he got lazy and fell into the trap the defense set for him. And he still had 20 assists, so aside from 6 or 7 missed shots (give him the other 5 or 6, especially after hitting his first four), he was doing things the right way. And hitting his last shot, to ice the game at home right before the ASB, was a nice bit.

And the Clips go to 13 and 40! And 6 and 20 at home.

by citizen zhiv on Feb 12, 2009 8:21 AM PST reply actions  

Novak or Ricky?

As you point out, it was all Novak at the end. In fact, down the stretch I think Thornton sat some in favor of Fred Jones, but Novak was there the whole way. In addition to the shooting, he was actually rebounding – which Ricky was not doing.

I hated the Baron on Harrington defensive assignment. Only a horrific game from Al kept the Clippers around. (By the same token, Robinson and Chandler, and to a lesser extent Jeffries, played over their heads, so I guess that evened out a little.)

But you have to give a ton of credit to D’Antoni – his team dictated the tempo all night, and his rotation consisted almost entirely of guys who were role players or non-players for a 23 win team last season. Camby’s absence played right into the Knicks’ plans, but still.

In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd

by Steve Perrin on Feb 12, 2009 8:51 AM PST up reply actions  

Ton of credit, but

They still have a ways to go, being well below .500 in the weaker conference.

There’s a decent core of weapons at PG, SF, PF in Robinson/Duhon, Chandler/Harrington, & Lee.

Imagine if they had drafted EJ and held onto Randolph? They’d be pretty damn good right now…of course they’re all about the summer of LeBron.

by ghost_ride on Feb 12, 2009 9:41 PM PST up reply actions  

Member?

Member that time Baron tried to take Malik Rose off the dribble and got it stripped way out on the perimeter?

Man that was awesome.

Get me BD and 75 and I'm in

by John R on Feb 12, 2009 8:56 AM PST reply actions  

loved the slo-mo replay (twice!)

"Duck, Crab. Crab, Duck"
Roger Sterling - Mad Men

by Lawler's Law on Feb 12, 2009 9:27 AM PST up reply actions  

Good call...

One of the greatest stat lines I’ve ever seen.

I used to play in a pure stats fantasy league (as opposed to rotisserie). The scoring system more or less gave a point for every point, 2 for rebounds and assists, 2.5 for steals and blocks, minus 1 for turnovers, with adjustments for threes and shooting percentages. Anyway, 40 fantasy points was a good game. Nate’s line last night adds up to about 95 fantasy points under that system. There were usually about 2 100 point games per NBA season, from the likes of Kevin Garnett. So it was a huge game.

In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd

by Steve Perrin on Feb 12, 2009 10:53 AM PST up reply actions  

That is amazing

Seems to me Kevin Durant is creating stats lines similar to these on a fairly regular basis now. He is going to be an incrediblt player (to the extent he is not already). He’s just buried in OK.

While we are on the subject, have to give it up for UCLA’s Russell Westbrook, who didn’t start for the Bruins as a soph last year but is starting and doing unbelievably well for the Thunder in this, his rookie year. That team should be good for years to come with just a couple more pieces.

by Jax on Feb 12, 2009 11:14 AM PST up reply actions  

Durant

Durant is indeed putting up some ungodly (unFSMly?) numbers lately. His line against the Clippers was in the 90s on my old scoring system. 24 for 26 FTs helps. I don’t remember the exact equation, but shooting over 60% is a bonus, and it increases with the volume of FTs – so it might actually have pushed him into the 100+ range.

In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd

by Steve Perrin on Feb 12, 2009 11:31 AM PST up reply actions  

P.S. on Durant...

The bias towards teams with winning records in the ASG is such a joke. How is this guy not an all star this season?

In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd

by Steve Perrin on Feb 12, 2009 11:32 AM PST up reply actions  

Im not sure

Picking the starting PG who averages 20 per36 anyway is really in the spirit of superstar for the night. Especially when they have no backup PG active so he has to play every minute.

And picking the opponent’s PG to put up numbers isn’t really that brave when Baron Davis is available…

Get me BD and 75 and I'm in

by John R on Feb 12, 2009 11:31 AM PST up reply actions  

He got it right, nonetheless...

Nate doesn’t strictly speaking fit the description of the Superstar for one game. But it was a great line.

In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd

by Steve Perrin on Feb 12, 2009 11:33 AM PST up reply actions  

Surprised John R didn't give me some love

Having said that, I obviously didn’t know when I made the selection that Nate would be the starting PG last night, much less that he’d play over 50 mins, that the game would go into overtime, or that Camby wouldn’t be playing. That’s called fortuity.

In addition, the Clippers like any team adjusted by putting EJ on Nate at halftime as CS pointed out.

Apparently John R doesn’t know that Chris Duhon generally starts and Nate comes off the bench (for 14/4/4), in about 30 mins / game.

by Jax on Feb 12, 2009 12:02 PM PST up reply actions  

Nate

was a monster and his hops are unbelievable. Best game I’ve been to all year for entertainment value. You don’t wonder how he can get 9 rebounds when you see him flying through the air.

by meercatjohn on Feb 12, 2009 9:57 AM PST reply actions  

That goaltend by Nate was unbelievable the way he hurdled R Davis.

by Michael White on Feb 12, 2009 10:03 AM PST up reply actions  

That was sick.

Has to be one of the top 5 highlight plays involving the Clippers, right?

It was just incredible. The slo-mo on the rebound later was pretty awesome too, but getting the ball on the block/goaltend and then flying over the guy—need to see it again—was pure “where amazing happens.” But is he just going out and doing stuff like this every night? Knick fans and D’Antoni must love it.

by citizen zhiv on Feb 12, 2009 11:05 AM PST up reply actions  

We might have played badly, but it's still a win.

Looking at the big picture, that has to be considered a good thing. The fact that teh Clippers won a ball game in which they did not play their best basketball is a great sign, even if the Knicks were down to eight players at one point. If there is any group that should not feel sorry for a team only being able to suit eight, it has to be Clipper fans. I’m not saying that it wasn’t a factor; I am simply stating that the Clippers managed to eek out a win and I’m happy about that.

I missed the middle of the game, so I didn’t see where Baron missed twelve shots in a row. I was happier with what I saw of him tonight. At least at the end, he finally looked like Baron Davis. He was pumped after he made the big three instead of acting like he’d been there before and he had some enthusiasm in the postgame interview on FSN. I hate that he went 5-17, though. Seriously, is the guy ever going to figure out that he is not the guy we want taking shots? I don’t want to hear about offensive schemes. The past few games, the Clippers have played uptempo basketball and have scored 120+ in three of those. Baron’s out of excuses, other than this nondescript “ailment” that some people seem to suspect. That said, he did get 20 assists and he at least brought some of the attitude that he had last year. It was good to see from that perspective.

This would also be an ample time to thank the Knicks for Zach Randolph. Bad contract or not, this guy can play some basketball. He put up 22 and 15 in a game where he was constantly doubled, and he made the game tying shot with ease. No, I don’t want him as our center, but he is a more than capable big man. Eric Gordon continues to make his push for Rookie of the Year (or just the best rookie). He’s twenty years old and he’s got three 30 point games and a 40 point game. That’s ridiculous. Two years ago, this guy was in high school, and now he’s lighting up NBA scoreboards. This kid has got the entire package. Steve Novak is doing exactly what he was signed to do, and that’s hit threes in bunches. His stroke is so pure, and it seems like all his shots do nothing but tickle the twine. It’s pretty to watch.

Obviously, there were some negatives for the Clippers, but at least one of them was fun to watch. Nate Robinson had an absolutely amazing game. I was in awe watching this 5’7" guy go to work. I remember watching him at Washington when he single-handedly ended Stanford’s undefeated run. I’d never heard of the kid before, but the announcers were completely enamoured with his explosiveness which I was soon too see. The guy looked so small, but he dunked the ball with no problem whatsover. His stat line last night was off the wall. That’s ridiculous. The Knicks should definitely hold on to him. He’s not worth the salary dump to get LBJ in 2010.

Back to the Clippers side of things, I’m going to go ahead and be happy with this one. Did the Clippers deserve this one? No. Am I going to be remorseful about them winning it? Hell No. They’ve got thirteen wins this whole year, and I’ve savored each of the last three. When you know what it feels like to have wins come so few and far between, you have to be happy when they come. I’m happy, and the Clips go into the All-Star Break winning three of their last four. Things are looking much better in Clipperland, especially with Thornton and Gordon playing in the Rookie Challenge.

"When I was a boy of fourteen, my father was so ignorant I could hardly stand to have the old man around. But when I got to be twenty-one, I was astonished by how much he'd learned in seven years." -Mark Twain

by WestsideBrandon on Feb 12, 2009 4:00 PM PST reply actions  

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