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Final - 2.22.2009 1 2 3 4 Total
Los Angeles Clippers 16 23 29 19 87
Portland Trail Blazers 38 27 27 24 116

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Never, ever let yourself say "It can't get any worse."  Because it can.  It can always get worse citizens.

After playing a couple of games with so few big players that they were forced to start Al Thornton at power forward, at least they didn't have to do that again.  Since Al also sat out this game. 

I blame myself. Each of my last two posts before the game contributed, in their own small ways, to Al missing the game.  For one thing, I pointed out that Thornton had yet to miss a game in a brief post on Saturday night.  Then, in the game preview, I lobbied for Steve Novak to get the start at power forward.  Well, as the saying goes, be careful what you wish for.  I really meant for Novak to start next to Al, not instead of him.  So that's my bad.

For the record, that makes Chris Kaman (strained arch), Marcus Camby (punctured ear drum), Zach Randolph (suspension), Brian Skinner (strained achilles) and Thornton who sat out the game in Portland.  As ludicrous as the Clippers' bench has looked a couple of times this season when they played with the NBA minimum 8 players in uniform and therefore had only three bodies on the bench, it might have been even more surreal tonight.  The Clippers five avaiable subs were all point guards!  Six of the ten available players are point guards, due in large part to the fact that the team has suffered so many injuries previously at that spot that FIVE of them have started for the team this season.  But with the return of Mike Taylor tonight, all six of them are now healthy and available.  It's the big men's turn to all get hurt at once.  Sheesh.

There's not much to say about the game.  Frankly, I've only watched the first quarter so far.  I may force myself to watch some more tomorrow, just to see how DeAndre Jordon looks.  He finished the game with an impressive 15 points and 12 rebounds, and even made more than half his free throws (nothing to be proud of in most cases, but a huge improvement for DJ).  But he was invisible in the first quarter, so he must have done something the rest of the way.  Baron Davis played through a toe injury to finish 6 for 12, which is an almost unheard of shooting night for him, but it does keep alive his streak of not shooting better than 50% from the field.  He hasn't topped 50% since last March 12, so he's only about three weeks away from making it a full year.

For the Blazers, LaMarcus Aldridge went 9 for 10 in the first quarter, and finished with 28, totally going against his reputation for playing down to his competition.  And speaking of the first quarter, Blazers point guard Steve Blake had 14 assists, breaking the team record for assists in a quarter and assists in a half, and tying the NBA record held by John Lucas for assists in a quarter.  But I have a couple quick observations about that.  For one thing, there should be an asterisk next to this record, since John Lucas was likely playing against a real NBA defense, whereas the Clippers in the first quarter certainly would not qualify for that description.  Secondly, his 14th assist most certainly was not.  Blake passed to Rudy Fernandez behind the three point line - Rudy looked at the shot, hesitated, dribbled - TWICE - and finally scored in the lane, about 20 feet away from where he received the pass.  That's not an assist.  If the NBA can take away LeBron's triple double by saying that he didn't get that rebound, can they take away Blake's record?  For John Lucas' sake?

The good news is that there's a reasonable chance that the Clippers will have three starters back tomorrow against the Warriors.  Randolph will have completed serving his suspension.  Camby is not allowed to fly with his punctured ear drum, but can play basketball in LA if he feels well enough.  And Thornton was a game time decision today, so he should in theory be ready soon.

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And Thornton was a game time decision today, so he should in theory be ready soon.

In theory he should be ready, but in a Clipper reality he will be out at least two weeks.

by dodgergabe26 on Feb 23, 2009 12:00 AM PST reply actions  

good point

In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd

by Steve Perrin on Feb 23, 2009 12:14 AM PST up reply actions  

oh come on don’t try to fool us we all know what’s gonna happen with thornton………he is gone for the season, clipper nation where day to day means month to month

by XXDC2XX on Feb 23, 2009 12:17 AM PST up reply actions  

I laughed out loud when they gave Blake that 14th assist

Total home cooking. John Lucas deserves a recount.

Boomshakalaka

by jksnake99 on Feb 23, 2009 1:12 AM PST reply actions  

That was bad...

Milph (the Clippers’ announcers) were a little surprised that they gave him 13 (in which Outlaw took one dribble on the way to a dunk). I thought that one was fine. But the 14th was very, very bad.

Of course, Stockton and Magic Johnson – all the assist leaders, really – benefited from friendly official scorers throughout their careers.

In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd

by Steve Perrin on Feb 23, 2009 9:00 AM PST up reply actions  

You're right

But who knows, maybe John Lucas got sumthin’ similar.

And NBA defense wasn’t always 90’s style grind it out fare… PLUS the tempo was often faster back in the 80’s. Blake did it on a team that plays slow, and got that many assists without a lot of turnovers forced or an abnormally large amount of possessions for the Blazers.

It was definitely home cookin’ though. I bet the stat man thought, like me, that Rudy would shoot (and make?) the wide open 3 but like a dummy who doesn’t know Blake has a NBA record on the line, he drives for the basket instead. Now THAT is low BBall IQ, why isn’t he listening to the announcers talk about the record?!?

The 14th wasn’t an assist. I wouldn’t mind if they took it away from him to be dicks, but it ain’t that important and no one knows if John Lucas didn’t receive the same help from the scorekeeper. Like any Hornets fan knows, Chris Paul gets quite a few assists that aren’t REALLY assists, and it just sorta goes that way.

Now that we got YouTubes and League Passes and Everyone sees Everything, it’s easy to see that Blake didn’t get that 14th assist in Fairness Land, but we can’t give Lucas that same scrutiny. I don’t even think anyone even realizes that 1984 was a lockout season (we were protesting the NBA season because of the Russians), so Lucas’s record was in an intramural game against an 8th grade team from Montreal. HARDLY competition worthy of such an esteemed record. So, I say oh well, and give Blakey the record and we tell Lucas to go to hell.

Mortimer

by Mortimer on Feb 23, 2009 3:18 PM PST up reply actions  

don't get me wrong

I’m not making any phone calls demanding the record be given back to Lucas. I just thought it was funny.

Boomshakalaka

by jksnake99 on Feb 23, 2009 3:44 PM PST up reply actions  

Oh I know

I jus’ playin’ too.

I had the Clippers feed, naturally, since I live in LA, and one thing I like about watching us play the Clippers is that the Clips’ announcers are even bigger Blazer homers than the Mikes!

They LOVE our team, and it makes it fun for a Blazer Homer like myself to watch us play them.

Did you have the Clips feed in the Bay area, Snake? They were saying we’d be winning a title within a few years, and they’re both certified members of NAMRLA (North American Man-Roy Love Association). Even the highlight package was just Blazer highlights.

The only thing they got wrong was saying Outlaw was a ‘religious’ worker… but that might be the case during the season. Off season though, hoo boy…

Mortimer

by Mortimer on Feb 23, 2009 4:00 PM PST up reply actions  

I watched via sketchy internet feed

and it was the Clips broadcast. Those guys crack me up— very much enjoyed their work.

Boomshakalaka

by jksnake99 on Feb 23, 2009 4:42 PM PST up reply actions  

I like 'em too

I hope the Clippers get good again just so Lawler’s last few years as an announcer can be for a team worthy of him.

Both of the announcers have been on the Blazer bandwagon ever since the 32-50, Roy’s Rookie of the Year season. Even then they were pimping us up as a team on the rise, so they’ve been paying attention for longer than many Blazer fans have.

They follow more than just the Blazers and Clippers of course, and I like announcers who KNOW what is going on in the NBA like they do. So many rely on dated game notes that get put before them an hour before tip off.

The Clips are frustrating as hell to watch even for a non-Clipper fan like me, but I really enjoy their announcers. It might be a mild help to enduring a season for a Clipper fan, but (like Eric Gordon) it’s at least a bright spot.

Morty

by Mortimer on Feb 23, 2009 4:49 PM PST up reply actions  

Good recap

To the point…

I just feel awful for you Clippers fans and I respect you so much for sticking by your team…even through the type of season you have had. Baron Davis has underperformed (that’s an understatement), Marcus Camby needs some outside shooting help by players not known as Ricky Davis and Steve Novak. Zach Randolph needs to stop punching people.

Anyways, there will be sunnier times ahead Clippers fans! Aside from being an all-out Blazers fan, I consider myself a closet Clips fan. Keep your heads up guys…it can only go up from here!

"Is RLEC a real person" -My beloved wife

by Ireallyliketheblazers on Feb 23, 2009 1:36 AM PST reply actions  

No, it really can go farther down.

That’s what being a Clips fan has taught me, anywyays.

"When I was a boy of fourteen, my father was so ignorant I could hardly stand to have the old man around. But when I got to be twenty-one, I was astonished by how much he'd learned in seven years." -Mark Twain

by WestsideBrandon on Feb 23, 2009 3:56 PM PST up reply actions  

I watched 3 quarters of this game

and then just gave up and went to bed. The first quarter was disgusting, the worst I have seen this season and that includes the Heat and Magic games before All Star break.

They were appalling. No heart. Absolutely no heart.

Read somewhere that Baron played through a hurt toe! Really? Funny, didn’t mention that when he spoke to TJ at the LA Times and said this was gonna be his breakout game. What a loser! If you shoot 50% on your breakout game, hit about 6/7 assists and play absolutely no D then you should be a bench player on a mediocre team. Instead, he’s meant to be our franchise player.

I really wonder what Dunleavy says to them in time out huddles or in the locker room. I bet half the players are on the phone to their agents pleading them to get a deal to play for the Kings……………

Bingo! Oh me oh my!

by ClippersUK on Feb 23, 2009 3:49 AM PST reply actions  

I took very little joy from this Blazer win

because of the lineup the Clips were forced to use. Even someone who was a bright spot, Jordan, probably won’t see much time once you’re at full strength.

Any thoughts on off-season moves in the front court? If healthy, Camby Kaman and Zach will need minutes, and I think Jordan should be developed. Must be another frustrating thing about the injuries: you haven’t even had the chance to see how they do or do not work together.

"its tough to play with one eye, unless you're a pirate." Delonte West
"una canasta a Pau en la cara" Rudy

by Honka Playboy on Feb 23, 2009 7:07 AM PST reply actions  

Frustrating...

You have no idea. During the 07-08 season, Kaman took his game up a couple of levels and played the first half like an all star, and then suffered through a series of minor injuries. Brand was out with the Achilles, and was supposed to be back by the ASG. We though we’d have both of them for the final 30 games or so. Instead, they never played together again, with Brand playing 8 meaningless games down the stretch while Kaman was out. So here we go again. Three very good bigs, and no idea how good they might be. We’re still supposed to see them together this season in theory, but after last season I’m not so sure.

I feel like I’ve been writing the ‘when everyone is healthy post for 2 and a half months – oh, that’s right, I have. So I have lots of thoughts on it, but they’re all so speculative. The theory has always been that with 96 minutes available at the big positions, Camby’s age and Kaman’s recent injury problems, there would not really be a minutes problem, and the team would continually have 2 starting quality bigs on the floor at the same time. As for fits, I look at it this way – Camby is 90-10 defense-offense. Randolph is 90-10 offense-defense. Kaman is 50-50. (That’s oversimplifying of course, but you get the idea.) With any two of them on the floor, you have at least one good defender and one good defender on the court. When Kaman and Camby played together (a million years ago for about 11 games) they were the Clippers’ best players and looked really good together. Likewise Camby and Randolph looked good. In theory, Randolph-Kaman would be the most potent offensive combo, with one of them drawing a relatively weak defender.

MDsr has said he wants to see them together and plans to keep them. But most people still believe they won’t keep that much salary tied up in those two positions, and one of them will be gone – probably Kaman if they can get his trade stock up.

In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd

by Steve Perrin on Feb 23, 2009 8:57 AM PST up reply actions  

I can only speak

from my viewpoint but in theory, I’d like to see them trade Camby for a backup peice at SF/SG – John Salmons would have been perfect. That would leave Kaman, Zach as starters with DeAndre coming off the bench doing a Camby role in taking rebounds and blocking shots.

Problem with this is that Kaman is always bloody injured. What do you do with that? His stock is pretty low and it seemed that Chicago were the favourites to trade for him but they made their move for Miller instead.

I’d have loved us trading Kaman and Camby for Brad Miller and John Salmons. That would have suited us perfectly.

Trouble is that you’d get nothing back fo

Bingo! Oh me oh my!

by ClippersUK on Feb 23, 2009 8:25 AM PST reply actions  

I may be grabbing at straws

but there really has to be something wrong with the Clippers physical conditioning. No other teams experience the injury plague this often.

F-Elton!

by mikey p on Feb 23, 2009 9:38 AM PST reply actions  

I´ve been having this perception for some time.

The Clippers get out-muscled every game. It looks that our players don´t develop their body like the rest of the league. For example, take Andrew Bynum, in 3 years has developed a Howard-type body. On the other hand, take our beloved Chris Kaman. He hasn´t added weight in the 7 years he´s been in the league. And they´ve both been injured. So one of the two has worked a little more. Or took better supplements. Whatever. The only Clipper with a worked body I can recall was Corey Maggette as a result of being a gym-rat.
Again, it´s kind of an absurd perception. Anyway, I´m sharing it with ClipsNation.

by edu_argentina on Feb 23, 2009 1:16 PM PST up reply actions  

And yet...

Wasn’t Elton Brand perceived to have taken the next step in his game in 05-06 based in part by completely reworking his body? Same training staff for the team now as then.

I’ve alluded to the fact that Jordan Farmar returned from knee surgery ahead of schedule, while every Clipper injury seems to take not just longer than expected, but much, much longer. Having said that it’s no real mystery – first place in the conference versus last place in the conference – there’s no incentive for Clipper players to get back out there. The other thing you have to know is that Farmar credited his PERSONAL trainer – not Gary Vitti – with getting him back on the court. I’m sure Gary Vitti is great – but these guy’s make millions of dollars. Let’s assume that Jasen Powell is as bad as many believe him to be – It’s pretty silly to assume that a pro athlete making millions of dollars a year would allow him to drag down his career. Don’t trust Jasen Powell? Hire your own guy. Call Farmar and get his guy’s name.

In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd

by Steve Perrin on Feb 23, 2009 1:49 PM PST up reply actions  

What's the word on Jordan's conditioning?

I’ve felt that he has a body that could EXPLODE with real NBA-quality nutrition and training, but he looks as soft (not soft like Channing Frye, soft like his muscles look soft) as when he came into the league.

He doesn’t look like he’s lifted any weights or cut down on his body fat whatsever.

Some guys, like Z-Bo, can’t help but look soft even though they work out a lot. That’s just Z-Bo’s body type and genetics, especially since we Blazer fans know he’s a very hard worker. But that ain’t the same for DeAndre, and I wonder if he’s putting the work in to develop his body into what it could be— a monster.

I live in LA but haven’t followed the Clips THAT closely… has there been word on an improvement with Jordan’s work ethic? I know it was a question mark coming into the league.

Mortimer

by Mortimer on Feb 23, 2009 3:25 PM PST up reply actions  

No details...

Coaching staff likes him – there’s no indication that he’s NOT working as hard as he should. But I would tend to agree that he doesn’t LOOK like he’s hitting the weights the way he should. He is still 20, though. He has an infectious personality – he writes a blog for Clippers.com which is, sad to say, one of the highlights of the season.

So, he seems like a good kid, and he seems to love basketball, both of which suggest that he will be improving. But at the same time, sometimes those funloving guys never really put in the work to live up to their potential. Tim Thomas comes to mind.

In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd

by Steve Perrin on Feb 23, 2009 4:34 PM PST up reply actions  

What's your take on Dunleavy?

I always thought him to be a nice enough coach when he was in Portland. Then I read this thing about him giving up early in the game… and wondered what Clippers fans thought of him as a coach???

Link to story

The Clippers were playing shorthanded, and small, and out of position. The Blazers will tell you that the Los Angeles coach, Mike Dunleavy, threw the keys in early. “He just kept calling the same stuff, over and over,” Channing Frye said. Also, the Blazers players pointed out that it became apparent during the game that the bickering Clippers players don’t really like each other.

by tominrehab on Feb 23, 2009 5:18 PM PST reply actions  

I get the feeling Clips fans are super sick of Dunleavy

Personally, even though I ain’t speaking for Clipper fans since I am a Blazer fan, I think no coach could get really get much success out of this lineup. So, Dunleavy the coach can’t be blamed ENTIRELY for that.

HOWEVER, Dunleavy the GM has had no direction, no plans, and just wildly threw money and wiggety whack personnel decisions around, hoping it would work somehow.

Kaman being out hurts a LOT. Camby being in and out, along with Baron, hurts a LOT. This team, when healthy, is better than its record.

BUT, this is a horribly mismatched roster and that is on Dunleavy the GM. If I was the Clippers owner, known for being cheap, and had Dunleavy on the books for a few more years at 5, 6 million each that I had to pay him… I’d get a New Jack GM to turn things around, Pritchard/Presti style, really makeover the roster and rejuvenate the front office of the Clippers, and keep Dunleavy as coach.

Just remove him from total control of personnel decisions. I don’t think he’s much of a GM. I don’t think he’s a bad coach, just that no one can coach a team like the Clippers and do well, as presently constructed (even healthy, they just don’t match well).

And ya don’t want perennial losers and lazy ne’erdowells like Ricky Davis around young, impressionables like Eric Gordon and Deandre Jordan. Well, Gordon is probably smart enough to know what he wants out of his career, but I’d worry about Jordan being led astray by a sneaky vondruke like Ricky Davis. Ya want vets to help guide these young dude’s career with sage advice and wisdom, not teach them how to engage in tomfoolery and shenanigans that won’t help them off the court.

The Clippers location and the front runningness of many LA citizens could make them an attractive destination, they just need a front office overhaul. Players wanna play in LA, and the bad history of the Clippers would quickly be erased if people had faith in the front office’s direction.

Mortimer

by Mortimer on Feb 23, 2009 5:45 PM PST up reply actions  

ClipperSteve on Dunleavy

If you’re still out there and you have the time, you can read the 3000 or so words on wrote on this subject a couple weeks ago.

I will say that it’s a little harsh to judge MDsr as ‘throwing in the keys’ (an expression with which I was not familiar – I guess Portland is more urban than I thought) and/or concluding that the Clippers don’t like each other based on this one game. There’s short handed, and there’s ‘playing without your entire front court.’ So what if Fred Jones and Ricky Davis don’t like each other? They’re not even supposed to be on the floor, right? And what was MDsr supposed to do? It strikes me as entirely possible that there was only one play that those combinations of players even knew. Mardy Collins was playing power forward a lot, right?

This much is clear – losing sucks, and exacerbates every problem. Winning is better, and all those problems go away. Bill Simmons is currently the national spokesman of the Fire Dunleavy movement. And his last crusade was against Doc Rivers. So I think you see my point.

The Clippers actually have a winning record with Zach starting. Obviously that’s a very small number of games as compared to an entire season. But you can look at that two ways – it’s not enough to evaluate properly (which of course it’s not). But it’s also reasonable to say that the team has STILL, here in late February, not had a chance to gel. I just think it’s early to say that the pieces don’t fit together. They’re strange, I’ll grant you that. But they’re not without talent.

In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd

by Steve Perrin on Feb 24, 2009 12:04 PM PST up reply actions  

However

Interesting perspective on what the Blazer players thought of what the Clippers were doing during that game. I suspect he wasn’t throwing in the towel – just doing what he always does – running the same play over and over again.

Perhaps the question should be what MDSr the GM should do, not what MDSr the coach should do.

by Jax on Feb 24, 2009 12:25 PM PST up reply actions  

Oh, and to answer your question...

Many, many, many Clipper fans HATE Dunleavy. His offense is boring, and while he talked a LOT about running more when Baron was signed this summer, he really didn’t do it (until recently). But I don’t think there’s consensus on whether it’s Dunleavy the coach, or Dunleavy the GM, or just plain Dunleavy who should go. Unfortunately, we’re probably stuck with all the Dunleavys since Sterling is, shall we say, unlikely to pay the guy another $10M or so to do nothing or to pay an extra salary that he wasn’t planning to pay.

In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd

by Steve Perrin on Feb 24, 2009 12:07 PM PST up reply actions  

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