Who's To Blame?
Who's to blame when situations deteriorate?
Disgusting things you'd never anticipate?
When Fred Schneider first sprechgesang those immortal words in 1980, he was referring to a party out of bounds. But they apply equally well to the 2008-2009 Clippers. The desire to affix blame is pervasive in our society. In Washington D.C. you hear the phrase "Now is not the time to point fingers" frequently - always followed by a laundry list of what the opposition party did wrong. So let's point some fingers.
Has the Clippers situation deteriorated? Yes. Are we faced with disgusting things we never anticipated? Well, given that none of us anticipated having the worst record in basketball, I'd call that a yes also. So... who's to blame?
Well, for some it's pretty easy. Take for instance the Sports Guy, Bill Simmons. In a recent chat on ESPN.com (excerpted in a FanPost), Simmons put all of the blame on coach Mike Dunleavy Sr., loudly calling for him to step down in pretty scathing terms. And that was before the last three games, which rank among the absolute worst of a very bad season.
Here's the thing you have to remember about Simmons. He moved to LA in 2002 to write for the Jimmy Kimmel Show. He's a comedy writer. He's not a sports writer. Everything he writes is meant to be funny, first and foremost. So when he complains that it's Dunleavy's fault that:
My tickets cost $340 for a pair and I get to go watch Baron Davis jog up and down for 20 minutes a night looking like he just smelled a horrible fart.
He's trying to be funny. And goodness knows, fart jokes are always funny. But I hesitate to take his analysis of the overall situation too seriously. For one thing, take a closer look at that sentence above. Is that an indictment of Dunleavy? Or is it an indictment of Baron Davis?
For Simmons (and many commenters on this blog as well), it's all Dunleavy's fault. He has made the players hate him. He has forced Baron Davis into a situation where he will be unsuccessful. He stole Baron's basketball ability and transfered it into an alien monster body. But let's assume for a moment that it's true, and that Dunleavy is the worst imaginable coach. Baron Davis is still a professional basketball player making $13M a year. Does he not have the pride, the ability, the professionalism, the obligation to be better than the worst point guard in the NBA? To place all of the blame on Dunleavy is facile.
For a little historical perspective, you might also want to go back and check out what Simmons had to say about Doc Rivers' contract extension a mere 22 months ago. Rivers won an NBA title about a year later. Which either proves that Rivers is a good coach, or that coaches don't matter, or that Simmons has no idea what he's talking about, or all of the above, or none of the above. Just remember, Simmons is mainly writing jokes. Don't take it too seriously.
When Simmons says, more than once, that the Clippers "hate" Dunleavy, what exactly is he basing that on? I mean, it's a pretty good rant he goes on, but the actual criticisms boil down to "The players hate him" and "Baron Davis looks like he smelled a fart." It's not the most detailed breakdown of the X's and O's I've ever seen.
On the other side, there are some who think that the blame rests squarely, solely, and obviously on Baron Davis. In a recent "Back and Forth" in ESPN the Magazine, Chris Broussard put all of it on Baron, with nary a mention of Dunleavy's culpability.
The big problem in Clipperland is that they've committed five years, $65 million to an uncommitted Baron Davis. We all know how great Baron is when motivated, but when he's not motivated he can totally drain a franchise and that's what he's done in LA. Notice that Baron has played more than 67 games just once in the past 7 years, and not surprisngly, that was a contract year ('07-08). He was, ahem, motivated, and it worked because he got the Clips to pony up big bucks. Now that he's got his money, though, dude's just not motivated, especially in his hometown of LA, where he can work toward reaching his goal of becoming a movie producer in Hollywood. Sources say BD doesn't want to practice, watch films or run Mike Dunleavy's plays. I hear his antics are starting to rub off on the youngsters and turn off the vets.
So Broussard seems to think that Baron is the one and only reason for the farce that has become this season - although it is worth noting that his five fixes for the Clips (Insider required) include getting rid of both Baron and the coach.
There is a massive incongruity that jumps out at you when you look at the standings and the respective coaches in the NBA this season. The Clippers have the worst record in the league. MDsr is looking up in the standings at 14 other teams with a record of .500 or worse - and 10 of the 14 have a new coach since the end of last season. So as I mentioned back in December, the Clippers, for better or for worse, are significantly out of step with the rest of the league with their handling of the situation, which has only gotten worse.
There's a well-informed voice in this debate that may be worth listening to. Mark Heisler, NBA columnist for the LA Times, has referred on more than one occasion to the stability that comes with keeping the coach. He has been squarely in the 'keep the coach' camp all season (although one wonders if his opinion has been swayed by the performances of the last few days). Heisler realizes that Sterling is sticking with Dunleavy for the wrong reasons - specifically to save the money he'd have to spend on a new coach and GM - but he adamantly believes it will help the franchise in the long term to have some stability.
The reason teams change coaches before they change players is because they can. Salary cap rules limit what you can do with your roster. There are no such restrictions with coaches. You can always fire Mike Dunleavy (career winning percentage .468, Clippers winning percentage .403), and hire a big name replacement like Avery Johnson (career winning percentage .735) or Jeff Van Gundy (career winning percentage .575) - sure, it costs you some money, but there are no rules that preclude doing it.
The options in dealing with Baron are more limited. You can try to make a trade, but at this point his trade value is so low that it's impossible to get what anyone would consider equal value. He's shooting 35%, and owed $54M over the next 4 seasons. Might some borderline contender, believing they need a dynamic point guard to put them over the top, roll the dice hoping that a change of scenery will renew his spirit and they'll get the guy who led the Warriors into the playoffs two years ago as opposed to the sulky stiff we've seen in LA? Maybe - but I'd have to call it a very long shot. At this point, you'd be lucky to trade him in a straight salary dump. Portland, who actually needs an upgrade at point guard, wouldn't touch him with a 10 foot pole, despite the fact that they could likely have him for Raef LaFrentz' expiring contract at this point. Miami needs a point guard - would you take Mark Blount and Marcus Banks for him? Basically, the likelihood of dealing Baron for any value is pretty much nil at this point.
But that's all getting into the nitty gritty logistics of making a change. The question remains, what change should they make? Change the coach? Trade Baron? Both? Neither?
There are of course other possibilities, like trading a big man or hoping that Donald Sterling will sell the team and a top down culture change will yield dividends. But for the purposes of this debate, I'm sticking to the core issue of Baron versus Dunleavy.
First of all, are we sure there is a Baron versus Dunleavy issue? Pretty sure at this point. The stylistic differences were apparent from the moment he was signed, and Baron has acknowledged having issues in a few moments of candor, although he's alwas backpedaled pretty quickly afterwards. I haven't interviewed these guys, and I'm not in the practice gym, so all I have to interpret is what I see on the court. And what I see is Baron Davis (and by extension the rest of the team) being apathetic and ineffective. Is that because of his relationship with his coach? Maybe, maybe not. But as I mentioned in yesterday's recap, there's plenty of evidence to indicate that the team has quit on Dunleavy.
Which is quite ironic, when you consider that it's basically an entirely new team. Usually a coach, unless he's completely incompetent (see Del Negro, Vinny), can get a team to toe the line for a season or so. So while Dunleavy is currently the NBA's 3rd longest-tenured coach in his sixth season with the Clippers, he's actually got an entirely new team. Al Thornton is in his second season under the coach and that's it - everyone else is brand new. (Chris Kaman is in his sixth season with MDsr, but he's only played 15 games, so I'm not counting him.) Usually you see teams who have stopped listening to a coach - the coach's routine gets old, his influence wears thin. But it would appear that this team never actually started listening to the coach.
Dunleavy may have been hoist on his own petard in this case. As GM, he built a team that he hoped could compete now. He loaded up on veterans - Baron and Ricky Davis, Marcus Camby, Zach Randolph. And he ignored the fact that many of these players came with lots and lots of baggage. So in an attempt to win now with some problem children like Baron and Ricky and Zach (thank FSM that Jason Williams retired), GM Dunleavy has put coach Dunleavy into the hot seat.
There some question as to whether or not Dunleavy was ever a good coach? I've certainly argued in the past that he was. You're free to dismiss the Finals trip with the Lakers if you like - that team was led by Magic Johnson, and I could probably have gotten them to the Finals. Of course his Portland team is the Rohrshach test - was he a very good coach (59 wins in 99-2000) or a very bad coach (monumental playoff collapse versus the Lakers)? People tend to see what they want to see there.
His early results with the Clippers speak for themselves. From 27 wins the year before he took over, to 28, to 37, to 47 wins, and a trip to game 7 of the Western Conference semi-finals. Moreover, he also changed the team from one of the worst defensive teams in the league, to one of the best. He moved the organization toward respectability as well, convincing Sterling to re-sign Brand and Maggette to big contracts, and signing the first major free agents in the history of the franchise, Cat Mobley, Tim Thomas and... Baron Davis (it comes full circle).
Even at his best, his teams have never been particuarly inspiring on offense. He improved the Clippers defense significantly. But even during the 05-06 playoff run, the Clippers must surely have led the league in shot clock violations and/or bail out jump shots at the shot clock buzzer.
But since the 2006 playoffs (we're talking almost 3 years people) the team has been a complete shambles on both sides of the ball. The high hopes for the team entering the 06-07 season were left completely unfulfilled. The conventional wisdom in the Clippers front office is to blame it all on injuries - and to be certain, injuries to Sam Cassell and Shaun Livingston played their part in the 40-42 06-07 season. But if you watched the games (as you know I did), you know that the team played poorly even when everyone was healthy. 40-42 and missing the playoffs on the last day of the season was devastating at the time, but now it seems positively heavenly by comparison. The Clippers finished last season with 4 wins in the final 30 games. Tomorrow in Memphis will be game 52 of this season. So even if they win that game, they'll be 15-67 over a full 82 games - worst in the NBA over those 82 games by quite a margin. (Seattle/Oklahoma City is next with 17 wins in those 82 games - no one else has fewer than 20.) Again, injuries have been a huge factor, and I've always maintained that they DO matter. No one would argue that the Clippers would have won 23 games last season with a healthy Elton Brand. BUT, again I say, you also have to watch the games. And in the games themselves, particularly this season, the team has been terrible, even when they've been relatively healthy.
So even though he had three solid seasons with the team, even though he produced tangible results at first, the results of the last three seasons have more than squandered any coaching capital he had built up. The results have been dismal, and injuries are no excuse.
I won't try to predict what I think is going to happen. I have no idea. For one thing, it's the Clippers - so the "Rational Actor" model of decision making goes right out the window. Specifically, the current management structure of the team is in a terrible position to make this decision. Sterling and his right hand man club President Andy Roeser aren't exactly basketball people. Meanwhile, Dunleavy was extended in late 2006 (even as the team was already beginning their downward slide) and made general manager just 3 months ago. He's been able to convince Sterling at each critical juncture that the right answer was to give him MORE control. So short of him replacing himself as the coach (not out of the realm of possiblity, but not very likely), it's going to be up to Sterling and Roeser to fire him and choose his successors. The other organizational issue is that the two proposed solutions (trade Baron versus fire Dunleavy) are necessarily undertaken by two different entities. Dunleavy is the GM - it's his job to shop Baron around the league. But he's not likely to fire himself, as we've said. So it becomes almost impossible to test the waters of a trade. Imagine Andy Roeser saying to Dunleavy, "Coach, you have to trade Baron Davis by the deadline in a deal that Mr. Sterling will sign off on or you're fired." That would be the height of organizational dysfunction. Come to think of it, it's the Clippers - that's probably exactly what happened.
All I can say is what I would do. I would do something. This has been going on long enough.
I would not get rid of both Dunleavy and Baron. Changing one of them is going to be disruptive enough, not to mention difficult. Changing both becomes doubly difficult - and isn't the theory that they're simply incompatible? Changing one should in theory help make the other one competent.
The reality of the NBA salary cap is that a bad contract or two can doom your team for years. If the best alternative for dealing Baron is a straight salary dump, that alternative is just as likely to be available later as it is now. In fact, there's a distinct possibility that Baron will begin playing better at some point and increase his trade value again - he's shooting a ridiculous career low 35%, so it would be difficult to play worse. It's a bad situation regardless, owing Baron Davis $54M for the next 4 seasons, but the best hope (and it's a long shot) is to keep Baron and hope he snaps out of his funk.
The idea has been floated (by myself among others) that Dunleavy could be retained as GM and Kim Hughes promoted to interim head coach, at least until the end of the season. But given the latest developments (the team playing much, much worse with the veterans back) and the premise that Baron and the team dislike Dunleavy so much that they have quit on him, it seems untenable to keep Dunleavy as GM. If the move is being made to appease Baron, I think you have to make a clean break. That means Dunleavy is gone.
Offer the head coaching job to Eddie Jordan; he played up tempo in Washington and took them to the playoffs 4 years in a row, he turned Gilbert Arenas into an All Star; he's a good fit for Baron Davis. If Jordan turns you down, you hand the team to Kim Hughes for the rest of the season and look at your alternatives in the off-season. Kurt Rambis would be on my short list of assistant coaches to interview.
General Manager is more problematic. I honestly don't know where you find young, 'up and coming' general managers. Other than in San Antonio, that is. But with Pritchard and Presti already poached from RC Buford's stable, you have to figure that the pickings are getting slim. There's always the 'white former shooter preferably with ties to the team' approach (Steve Kerr, John Paxson, Geoff Petrie, Danny Ferry, Kiki Vandeweghe) - so interview Mike Smith and Eric Piatkowski.
But it's time.
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What we need is a Chauncy Billups
Not just because he’s good and turned Denver around, but because his style of play fits with Dunleavy’s style of coaching.
The more I think about it, the more I am realizing that Sam Cassell was more responsible for our awesome run than Elton was.
Half court, set offense.
please don't interiview Mike Smith
he and Lawler and the best commentary duo in the NBA. Other then that I would go for the fire Dunleavy and hire either Eddie Jordan or Kim Hughes. I would love to watch a team coached by either of them. And then we could bring over Cassell in the off season to assistant coach and then maybe someday coach the clips. He has stated his interest in article but I don’t feel like looking for it.
I agree
Nice write-up ClipperSteve. Now if only one of the above scenarios or any other scenario that involves a change to BD and/or MDsr would happen. Unfortunately it’s hard to imagine Sterling doing anything that involves losing money… but we can hope.
And thus
Forever setting up the Clippers as a team where the players rule the roost.
/facepalm
How did it work out appeasing Elton Brand’s agent by giving Sam Cassell away for nothing?
My barometer would be the more veteran and mature Camby. He played hard for Dunleavy while Baron was out. Now that Baron is back he doesn’t seem interested in playing at all.
Get me BD and 75 and I'm in
What's more important
Winning or making sure the coach stays in control?
Isn't that a bit of an overreaction?
Is that all you got? No reference to Chamberlain and Poland?
When a coach and a player conflict, and the coach is fired, the team is forever set up as a team where the players rule the roost – that’s your premise right?
I would submit that the vast majority of the teams in the NBA fit that category. Certainly the Lakers (Magic got Paul Westhead fired). Seems to have worked out OK for them in the ‘forever’ category.
“My barometer would be the more veteran and mature Camby. He played hard for Dunleavy while Baron was out. Now that Baron is back he doesn’t seem interested in playing at all.” I think that’s a great point. Marcus Camby was a joke defending the screen roll in Orlando.
I honestly don’t know the true source of the malaise – I know that Baron Davis is part of it. But it’s time to make a change. If it was me, I’d get rid of Dunleavy. If it was you, maybe you’d buy out Baron. That’s fine. But something has poisoned Marcus Camby, so something needs to change.
In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd
by Steve Perrin on Feb 5, 2009 10:41 PM PST up reply actions
One more point...
the players DO rule the roost, throughout the NBA. To pretend that they don’t is naive.
In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd
by Steve Perrin on Feb 5, 2009 10:46 PM PST up reply actions
Great post.
I touched on the Baron vs. Dunleavy conflict in a fanpost a couple of weeks ago. I didn’t go nearly as in depth as you, though, Clipper Steve. This is a really good look at the Clippers, especially coming from someone whose frustrated with the product that the team is putting out on the floor. Obviously, this isn’t working out for the Clippers and changes need to be made. Having Eddie Jordan as the coach sounds like such a novel idea, and perhaps that’s because it’s never going to happen with Sterling owning the team. DTS may “not taking losing well,” as he said after that New Year’s Eve game, but he takes losing money a lot worse.
"When I was a boy of fourteen, my father was so ignorant I could hardly stand to have the old man around. But when I got to be twenty-one, I was astonished by how much he'd learned in seven years." -Mark Twain
Hallelujah!
ClipperSteve has been the voice the reason amongst all the Dunleavy bashing, but he logically breaks it down here piece by piece… it is absolutely time to make a change and Dunleavy needs to go.
I’d love to see what Hughes can do on an interim basis the rest of the year; then look to extend him or bring in Eddie Jordan or maybe even a Clipper retread, Alvin Gentry who can bring in a touch of that D’Antoni style offense.
As for GM, your favorite comedy writer Bill Simmons has been lobbying for the Bucks GM position, how about if he put his trade machine skills at work and became the Clips GM. In all actuality, I don’t where you find up and coming GM’s either, but I would love to see them recruit a young statistical based analysis type, a la Daryl Morey. Then again, he would probably break his neck trying to trade for Carl Landry.
Clipper Complexity
Headed towards Maggettifesto levels of analysis here. And while our fearless leader CS says it’s time, what reason do we have to believe that anything is going to change? None. Nada. And let’s not forget that the Clippers exist in a time warp, or the actual Twilight Zone, where Chris Kaman both exists and doesn’t exist. So they’re going to plod along and show occasional changes and ups and downs, but it’s not “time” in any real sense. And the situation is probably just going to get more complex and interesting—in its own negative way.
I must admit that I have the benefit of taking a timely week off from All Things Clipper, including our leader, the esteemed citizens, and even the charms of William Simmons. So I didn’t subject myself to witnessing play at this most depressing level. Missed it. Sorry.
Perhaps some of you are familiar with Zhiv’s Core Philosophy: Do nothing. It seems to apply in this case. Baron Davis seems to be exploring this option, letting go of his cares—and pride—while hopelessly mired in a nightmare season. I don’t think that getting rid of Dunleavy is the right way to go, only because it would be enabling Baron Davis. If you get rid of Dunleavy and BD is still horrible, what do you do? You have to give away BD, you’re in a horrible bargaining position, you very well might did the hole deeper. Let BD find his own depths. Take away his minutes. Maybe Mardy Collins is the missing link, here in the time warp. Things are strange enough, that could be true.
Do nothing. Try to play well, get healthy, play some defense. Stay the course. Let’s see what happens after the ASB. Is Kaman still on the team, or is he out in space somewhere? The thing about trying to gel at some point, starting to play good basketball, in the midst of a lost season is that there’s no timetable for it to happen. It will happen when it happens, or it won’t. But you can’t force things and you can’t rush it. All you can do is make adjustments and try to approach each game in a professional, dedicated way. I don’t want to make excuses for Dunleavy, but he does have a system and an approach. It’s set up for players to plug into it and give themselves opportunities for success. BD can only push it so far, and he’s not in the best negotiating position when 1)Dunleavy is the GM and 2)he himself is playing like crap. At a certain point—before, I would argue, Sterling cuts Dunleavy a check and turns him loose—BD goes onto short rations, and we see how he responds to that. The injury saga has made the situation immeasurably more complex. And on top of that, remember what these guys are playing for (besides money and pride): nothing.
Very Zen.
What is the sound of one hand clapping (in Staples Center during a Clippers game)?
Whether the hole is dug deeper or not would seem to be irrelevant at this point. It is deep enough that it is difficult to get out of it. And doing nothing will certainly not get out of it. Right?
See my response to John R above re: enabling the players. The players are already enabled.
By the way, I knew there was something I liked about you. Anyone with ‘do nothing’ as a Core Philosophy is my kind of guy.
In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd
by Steve Perrin on Feb 5, 2009 10:35 PM PST up reply actions
As much as I would like to see Dunleavy go...
I don’t think it will happen. The reasons are:
1) Dunleavy is the only basketball guy left in the entire Clippers front office. Dunleavy the GM will have to fire Dunleavy the coach.
2) Sterling is paying Dunleavy $5 million a year as both coach and GM, the highest Sterling has ever paid any coach. Dunleavy is making Popovich type money. He will not buy out Dunleavy’s contract or fire him because then Sterling have to pay Dunleavy the remainder of his salary and replace both the GM and Coach position, thereby costing him even more money.
3) If Sterling were going to fire Dunleavy it would have happen last year during their much publicized flap. Instead, Dunleavy survived and was given the GM title after Elgin was forced out. With the economy being what it is, and with ticket sales down, the last thing Sterling wants to do is spend even more money on an unknown commodity.
4) Dunleavy can always rely on all the injuries the last two seasons as an excuse. Sterling will be inclined to believe him and give Dunleavy another season because it will cost him nothing.
We can gnash our teeth all we want, wish that Dunleavy would go away and Baron to suddenly turn back into superman and dominate the league. But it ain’t gonna happen. Come next October, the Clippers will be opening their camp with Dunleavy at the helm. The only question then will be if Dunleavy the GM will admit that signing Baron was a mistake for Dunleavy the coach.
I didn't say I thought it would happen...
I said it’s what I would do. You’re points are all well-taken.
In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd
by Steve Perrin on Feb 5, 2009 10:21 PM PST up reply actions
"When you're going through hell, keep going"
Thanks for laying it all out there CS…I’ve thought of many possibilities in regards to fixing our situation. The big problem here is that neither Dunleavy or BD have their best days ahead of them. But as far as the two of them go, BD has a better chance of playing some good, exciting ball before Dunleavy will ever effectively coach again.
As much as Sterling hates paying for anything more than he has to, he has more money tied up in BD than he does Dunleavy. We all know that the ultimate decision lay on his shoulders, which makes all of us nervous. That said, with how bad things are, there may be a chance (long as it may be) that Dunleavy is relieved of his coaching duties sooner than later. I don’t think any of us can seriously hope that he wont at least keep his GM job. If BD really wants to stay in his home town, he’s playing a very delicate game of chicken if he is in fact trying to kill the coach, who will most likely continue to be his GM whether or not he is replaced as head coach.
Not sure I agree...
“BD has a better chance of playing some good, exciting ball before Dunleavy will ever effectively coach again.” Players get older, the get hurt, they lose a step. If Baron is not physically able to do the things he once did, then he’s on a downward slide. But why would Dunleavy be ‘past his prime’?
In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd
by Steve Perrin on Feb 5, 2009 10:27 PM PST up reply actions
Learned something today
Someone in the know told me today that the Clipper players have universally hated MDSr for years. Cassell, Kaman, EB, all of them. According to him, they just grin and bear it publicly because they are professionals. They complain for hours about the guy. This is known to Clipper management.
This is why it’s nearly impossible to get free agents to sign here (Jason Williams for example retired first), and why it’s difficult to motivate players to play for the guy.
What may be happening here is that BD is the first player with the balls to take on MDSr directly. EB was too nice a guy. We could very well be witnessing a mutiny in progress. As madglove I think said, the young guys are playing hard because they’re trying to earn a paycheck.
Makes sense to me. Some people who like authoritarian figures want the coach to be all powerful. Others believe that they are professionals and should be treated reasonably (John Wooden).
Pass the popcorn.
It doesn't really ring true...
Not about Kaman, at any rate. Kaman has always stated that he liked it here, and wanted to stay, and even pushed for a poison pill in his contract that would make it harder to trade him.
For Brand, it makes sense in retrospect, but at the same time, why the act?
In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd
by Steve Perrin on Feb 5, 2009 10:24 PM PST up reply actions
Why the act? Because the NBA
is at bottom a business. Players play for the teams they sign with or are traded to or drafted by. Regardless of how they feel about the coach. They typically do not publicly complain. They are professionals and this is their job.
You might not think it rings true but it apparently is. Again, I trust the source completely, and he is absolutely in a position to know.
Kaman is a rather unique individual. Not sure he could hate anyone for obvious reasons.
There's a difference...
There’s a difference between being a professional and doing your job, and making public statements about wanting to retire a Clipper, how he had his best season ever under Dunleavy, etc.
I’m just saying that, if he was entering his buy out year saying “I am planning to explore my options” no one would have thought that was unprofessional. And if he hated the coach, why didn’t he just say he was going to explore his options?
In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd
by Steve Perrin on Feb 5, 2009 10:45 PM PST up reply actions
Not a player coach
It’s a good trait Dunleavy has to demand more from his players, but the difference between a good coach and a failing coach, is can he get the players to buy in, can he motivate the players to become better.
Personally, I like the guy alright, but I’m not sure I’ve ever heard a glowing review from a player about Dunleavy. All I’ve heard are reports similar to what Jax brings up. He’s an average coach at best, who’s had the opportunity to coach some very talented teams. His undoing this off-season was not buying the right mix of groceries (free agents) to play his style of ball.
Wouldn't it be nice
if everyone acted as we think they should all the time?
People come in all different shapes and sizes. Embrace that. It’s what makes the world go round. And maybe it’s not a bad thing to be the big fish with the offense flowing through you. EB had a good thing going, even if he didn’t like the coach all that much. I remember talking to him at Spectrum Club in 04-05, when he didn’t have much help, and he told me that it was hard. But that’s all he’d say. He was very gracious and wasn’t interested in talking negatively about the team.
On an unrelated note, I ran into Lamar Odom the other day (someone that was the subject of some posts in a recent discussion). It turns out the guy sponsors several kids’ club basketball teams (his 7-8 year old’s team played my son’s, and his kid was guarding mine for a while, but I digress). I watched him interact with his teenage daughter and son, and he seemed to me to be a very low key guy who obviously loves his kids and is spending money making alot of young people very happy.
Said another way
I think EB was probably conflicted about whether to stay. He didn’t like MDsr, but realized that he thrived in that boring iso offense. Yet he knew the team would always be scond fiddle and probably would not go far in the playoffs. He also liked the fans here. He ended up deciding to go elsewhere. Probably a very difficult choice for him.
He was a great fit for Dunleavy
So was Marcus Camby. Good guys who’ll put their heads down and work.
Yes, but even EB left him in the end
No one who can lead us to the promise land wants to play for the guy.
What are we going to do about it?
Dunleavy wont change
Neither will Sterling in all liklihood. We’ll continue to speak our minds on these publicly viewable boards and on talk radio, etc., and hopefully that will have some influence, but reasonably, we know what to prepare for.
On a related note
Should BD (assuming that this is a power play) actually come out and say publicly that he hates the coach and is trying to get him fired?
Or should he just do what he’s doing, leading the entire team in their mutiny, while saying nothing publicly? What’s the best approach?
I dispute your reasoning....
It seems you have a lot of “insider” information. It’s good you are sharing all these information. Not trying to argue for argument’s sake, but do the players really hate MDSr, or just dislike him? Two different things.
I don’t know why Cassell would hate MDSr, MDSr let him do whatever he wanted. Also, Cassell stated in previous seasons he wanted to be an assistant coach under MDSr. I know that was just a public statement, but who really knows what’s inside the hearts of men?
I dispute Free Agents don’t want to come here. FA’s go where the money is 99% of the time, unless they are chasing a ring. Did Bobby Simmons want to go to the Bucks? Not really, but they paid him $47 million. Source: Bill Simmons. Would Josh Smith play in LA? Of course! Same with Azubuke, etc. No amount of sunshine, or a fun system, etc is worth a few million dollars.
Also, the NBA is a business, there will always be a coach/player divide. How chummy a player and a Coach are don’t translate into winning. The Nets (Jason Kidd) hated Byron Scott, yet they went to two straight Eastern Conference Finals. After the players got him fired, they have yet to return. Kobe and Phil have hated each other a long time also, but the results are obvious (source: “The Last Season”, by Phil Jackson). According to Bill Simmons, Chris Paul also despises Byron Scott, yet the Hornets are a very good team. Ultimately, players win a majority of the games in the NBA. This isn’t college, where you can manipulate the game due to 35 sec shot clocks and long timeouts. Talent and hard work win out in the NBA. Baron is the problem.. IF Kobe, Kidd and Paul can win with Coaches they supposedly hate, why can’t Baron? Because he’s not that good, and/or he’s totally unprofessional.
This is going to be my team, and we're going to rise together.
-Clipper Darrell
I think you've misunderstood my posts
I’m not providing reasoning. The word that was told to me was “hate.” I was specifically told that Cassell in particular would complain over and over again, for long periods of time.
There is indeed a coach / player divide, but perhaps that divide is greater for some coaches. I also wasn’t talking about whether the players were friends (or chummy as you put it) with the coach, but rather whether they respected him as a coach.
Yes, coaches who are disliked can stay on in the league. But they have to win. Byron wins. Does MDSr?
Funny how with MDSr there are always excuses. This player, that player, injuries, a bad schedule, etc.
by Jax on Feb 6, 2009 9:50 AM PST up reply actions
Simple thought
At the very minimum, regardless of his weaknesses, Dunleavy tries. For Baron to not try is appalling! Marcus Camby is now our model = consummate professional. Can Baron respect the game and the loyal fans (who suffer much, yet still remain fans) while battling with Dunleavy in private? Byron Scott’s evaluation of Baron continues to ring loudly in my ears. What is the value of talent, without class and character?
I don't disagree....
There is no excuse for Baron’s lack of effort, but there is no easy answer either.
In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd
by Steve Perrin on Feb 5, 2009 10:28 PM PST up reply actions
there's no one I felt more sorry for on the team than Camby
and the look on his face on the bench in that 4th quarter…it was as if he was staring off into space wishing to disappear from that place…sad…
"Duck, Crab. Crab, Duck"
Roger Sterling - Mad Men
by Lawler's Law on Feb 5, 2009 11:45 PM PST up reply actions
Sterling will make a move - he's losing money!
Anyone notice how empty the Clip games are? Nobody’s buying walkup tickets – except Laker games. Season ticket holders will flee in droves unless a move is made by renewal time.
Sterling is in a very unusual situation of losing money on the Clips.
BD needs to be dumped. MDsr needs to go.
As this situation deteriorates even further (hard to believe it can,) the right decision will become obvious to our fearless owner.
Too Many Excuses
Great in-depth analysis CS, and I agree wholeheartedly with your conclusion!! I think we’d all be thrilled to read about Eddie Jordan or even Hughes becoming our new coach, but I’ll believe it when I see it. Now that players are returning, the excuse is now going to be that they need time playing together to develop chemistry. Z-Bo’s comments (FanShot) go along with that.
While that’s true, Dunleavy has shown he’s not the man to lead this team. If he was, they would be rallying around him now and playing at least respectably. I don’t think there’s much he can say or do that will matter any more. If he turns up the heat on the players, he only spotlights his own futility as coach and will be tuned out even more (if that’s possible). He’s a lame duck who does not appear to have the respect or even the attention of this team. It’s time for him to go!
Baron and Dunleavy
That’s who I put the most blame on.
BD has no jumpshots. baron is too slow, can’t finish, and too fat. He can’t jump as high as he did last year, which is why he gets blocked (i.e. the recent Bulls game). I could shoot better than Davis even in my off-day.
Dunleavy got Randolph for that slow-boring half court offense. He also tries to makes the team pass (force) the ball to one player (for example Novak) even when its obvious that the defense knows it.
I don’t know if Dunleavy even taught this team about floor spacing. One example that shown how bad it is is during, on the rare occasion, we get fast breaks. Our players usually clump on one side and even when we have the advantage (3 on 2 etc), they can never execute it.
Heisler
Heisler is a fan of Dunleavy and he admits it. Heard him in an interview on the now defunct “Loose Canons” a few months ago.
Worst case scenario?
DTS coaches the team in order to save some money.
We’re still not rock-bottom, my friends.
CS Comes Around
This result was inevitable for some time. Some of us predicted it last year. Unfortunately, what we think matters nought.
Isn't
every coach hated in the NBA. You think Larry Brown ever won a popularity contest? Even Tim Duncan probably talks behind Pop’s back.
If nothing has been done by now nothing is going to get done. Dunleavy is an arrogant prima donna, and Baron is a fool if he thinks he can conquer this town as a loser. Winners get doors opened for them, losers get doors shut in their faces.
This franchise is screwed. Dunleavy and Baron will still get their millions but the fans will get jack shit.
I love how
immediately after CS writes this article the clips turned it around, it is almost like they read the post and realized they need to play better.

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