Clippers 107 - New Jersey 105
Well that was a pretty interesting and entertaining game. There was really a lot going on there.
I don't think I can weave all the different subplots into a coherent whole, so I'll fall back on the blogger's best friend, the bullet list.
- Again playing without Zach Randolph, the Clippers built a 12 point fourth quarter lead on some hot shooting, but gave it all back and fell behind by three with 12 seconds remaining. But with some help from the Nets, they scored 5 points in the last 10 seconds to win the game.
- Steve Novak went through a mini-slump from the All Star break until the end of February in which he made only 12 of 44 three point attempts over 7 games. But since then, he's once again on fire. He's made 17 for 30 so far this month, including a completely ludicrous 12 for 18 in the last two games. This game belonged to him - he led the team in scoring for the first time in his career, made a career high 7 threes in the game, and hit the game winner as time expired. That's a good night.
- After battling back to take the lead on some insane long range shooting, the Nets played the final seconds about as badly as a team can. With 12 seconds on the clock, a three point lead and a foul to give, they had all the cards. The first mistake was Brook Lopez giving the first foul way too early. He fouled Chris Kaman 35 feet from the basket after only two seconds had elapse. The next mistake belonged entirely to Lawrence Frank. I posted on the question of fouling with a three point lead when the Clippers were in a similar situation back in January. I concluded that I wouldn't give that foul in any situation, but I didn't know any NBA coach was frankly dumb enough to give it with 7 seconds left and the opponent still holding a timeout. By fouling with so much time left, you're basically saying "I think we can make at least as many free throws as they can." And if they don't, you've just given your opponent a chance to win, when before the best they could hope for was the tie. After Baron made two free throws, the Clippers almost got a turnover the first time New Jersey tried to inbound the ball, as Bobby Simmons used most of his 5 second count, and then the pass was knocked out of bounds (and Baron was pretty insistent it was off Keyon Dooling, which it may well have been in watching again on the DVR). When they re-ran the inbounds play, the Clippers funneled the ball to the Nets' worst free throw shooter on the floor, Jarvis Hayes, and he proceeded to miss a pair. The Clippers got the rebound, used their crucial final timeout, and had just enough time to set up Novak's heroics. Dumb, dumb, dumb by New Jersey.
- Of course, the Clippers had to give the game to New Jersey before the Nets could give it back. It was a strange slow-motion collapse. After Lawler's Law kicked in at 100-89 with 5:35 to go, the Clippers continued to play reasonably well. (By the way, I know I've said this before, but when it's the Clippers who get to 100 first, it's more a rule of thumb than a law. LA rarely seems particularly intent on enforcing the law.) Unlike the game against the Cavs, the Clippers continued to get some decent shots. In fact, their first shot after getting to 100 was a wide open corner three for the hero Novak, by far the easiest shot he took all night, and it just didn't go in. On two other possessions, Al Thornton got right to the rim on good aggressive moves that looked certain to produce either a basket or a foul, but each time he was turned away (cleanly) by Brook Lopez - simply great plays by the rookie. On the other end, New Jersey's threes suddenly started falling. Five of their final six field goals were threes, most of them with a Clipper in their grill. You can make up some ground pretty quickly that way, and they did. A 16-2 run was capped by Vince Carter's 30 footer for New Jersey's first lead since the first quarter.
- Carter was amazing (half man, half amazing I guess) as he so often is against the Clippers. One thing that the Clippers clearly lack right now is a long wing defender. Quinton Ross filled that role for many years, and while he was always a liability on offense, he did the grunt work against guys like Carter and there's no one on the roster to do that now. Baron Davis, Fred Jones and Al Thornton all took turns on Vince tonight, but no one really slowed him down much. And by the way, Vince made some really tough shots as well.
- That's three games in the last four in which the Clippers have surrendered a double digit lead in the fourth quarter.
- Back to Novak for a moment - it's interesting watching the guards look for this guy. Three different Clipper point guards found him in transition before the defense could get up on him. It's a case of knowing your personnel - Baron, Fred Jones and Mike Taylor each went out of their way to set him up as the defense was backpedaling resulting in three points. It seems silly to say in the 66th game of the season, but it actually looked like the Clippers were more comfortable with each other tonight than they have been all season.
- Although Chris Kaman is still a long way from Kaman 2.0 form, he took some baby steps in this game and finished with 10 points and 8 rebounds. He made a jump hook. He made a nice step through move. He also took some other steps - he had one of the more amazing traveling violations in the history of the NBA. I think he took two steps AFTER the whistle had blown. It's not so much the field goal percentage that will be the barometer (although that's an important one); it's the turnovers. And he had 4 tonight, just as he has every night since his return to action.
- Eric Gordon needs more shots. He scored 17 points on 11 shots, and 4 other Clippers got at least that many shots. He really needs to be getting the most shots on the team as far as I'm concerned.
- Among the things we've been hoping for from Al Thornton are consistency and rebounding. Well, in the last five games, Al has scored 20, 19, 20, 22 and 25. And in the last 4, he's averaged more than 8 rebounds. These are some encouraging trends, though they are obviously early.
It all adds up to an exciting and much-needed win, somewhat unlikely without Zach Randolph. We thought this would be the game where Randolph and Kaman and Camby would all be relatively healthy and together. I guess we have to wait until Tuesday night in Oakland for that.
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It would have been so easy for the Clips to throw in the towel after Carter hit that ludicrous three and they lost that double digit lead again… but they didn’t. Kudos to them.
I can’t remember the last time they ran a final play of any meaning in a quarter, half or game coming out of a timeout and it went exactly the way it was supposed to… Gotta love that.
I liked BD’s 20 points, but I adored his 10 assists.
Perhaps DTS’ rant (as divisive as it was) was exactly what Thornton needed. Some people respond to harsh – even unfair – words and some people shrink from them. Is Thornton one of the former? It’s too early to call it a permanent trend, but I do notice a change in his decision making – it looks promising.
"Not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted" – Albert Einstein
by Another son of Mike Smith on Mar 16, 2009 5:02 AM PDT reply actions
Good point
Thorton has played very well and more consistently (since the DTS meltdown) than he has all year. I hope he can keep this up through the rest of the season. He’s been playing with high energy and doesn’t look as black-hole ish .
by Michael White on Mar 16, 2009 7:50 AM PDT up reply actions
Also good point about the final play
Welcome change
Watched the win from the lobby
as I left down 3 and watched the Nets give us the game. I just didn’t want to spend 20 minutes for 10 seconds of basketball only to leave with very unhappy fans. Turns out to be the best move. Lots of fans in the lobby doing the same thing I did. We are the faithless but still hung around just in case it went into overtime. A win was quite unexpected.
Novak was amazing
When did Bobby Simmons become such a 3 point threat? I heard coming in he had been on fire from the 3 point line over his last 5 games and it seemed like he continued that streak but I haven’t looked at the numbers.
The crowd is all over Kaman in my area and he looks like a combination of Mr. Flippy and Mr. Slow to me right now.
At least Baron gave us a good 1st half.
I was one who did not think Lopez would be much of an NBA player. He has adapted much better then I expected.
Signing Novak is an offseason priority
Maybe the top one. Shooters are essential.
F-Elton!
i don't see anything else needed
i mean i think z-bo,camby,al,ej and baron can go head to head agaisnt any team in the league, maybe trading kaman, so jordan can develope but it depends what we can get, (just notice we have draft players named jordan with our second rounder the last 2 drafts), anyway the current team plus a top 3 pick (griffin or rubio hopefully) i am really excited for this team looking at next season. would LOVE to give shaun a chance.
please tell me
you have a high-rez version of that picture…. Wallpaper, here I come..
yup ^^
I’d like a bigger picture as well. BTW, if you’re the one who took this pic… One word “AMAZING”.
I think I’m going to check out yahoo for some more pics…
"This kid is the best new talent in the league right now, and I don't care who else you mention." -Suns Coach, Alvin Gentry, on Clippers rookie sensation, Eric Gordon.
by cliptakular on Mar 16, 2009 10:43 AM PDT up reply actions
Sorry
this is AP’s pic from Yahoo…I will link to it…I almost threw my 6 month old off my lap when Swish swished this one!
"Duck, Crab. Crab, Duck"
Roger Sterling - Mad Men
by Lawler's Law on Mar 16, 2009 10:47 AM PDT up reply actions
actually it's Getty image...
"Duck, Crab. Crab, Duck"
Roger Sterling - Mad Men
by Lawler's Law on Mar 16, 2009 10:48 AM PDT up reply actions
Notice the Nets bench doing their best Vinny DelNegro impersonation! haha!
"Duck, Crab. Crab, Duck"
Roger Sterling - Mad Men
by Lawler's Law on Mar 16, 2009 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions
awesome!
"This kid is the best new talent in the league right now, and I don't care who else you mention." -Suns Coach, Alvin Gentry, on Clippers rookie sensation, Eric Gordon.
by cliptakular on Mar 16, 2009 10:53 AM PDT up reply actions
Novak w/ Some D
I knew he would be the Future Defensive Player of the Year
Anyone know that guy...
wearing a Laker jersey behind the Clippers bench. I mean “what the hell man?, you’re in the wrong game”.
I don’t hate most Lakers fans but this is one of the reasons why I hate some of them.
"This kid is the best new talent in the league right now, and I don't care who else you mention." -Suns Coach, Alvin Gentry, on Clippers rookie sensation, Eric Gordon.
The Shooters
After the Cavs game:
SNov 81-203 .399
FJones 35-89 .393
EGord 99-255 .388
BD 76-259 .293
LAC 407
Opp 428
After Nets game:
SNov 93-221 .457
FJones 37-92 .402
EGord 101-261 .387
BD 78-266 .293
LAC 425-1211 .351
Opp 442-1175 .376
Good Start to the Final Chapter
For the 2nd straight time I went to Staples Center, thinking i’d be doing the Clippers a favor by going to the game, and they were sold out. I understood LeBron mania, but for this game to sell out? That was crazy. Also, I dragged a few people from the valley with me, so that was a little extra awkward.
But anyway, what a signature final play for the Clippers. Best ever final play? In a vacuum it probably is, but since the stakes weren’t very high it’s probably just a contender. What made it really stand out was that EJ’s drive was very believable, he was driving with purpose and the kick out was clearly all recognition on his part, BD’s upper body movements suggested he was going to shoot, but he makes a nice pass to Novak, who threatens stepping out of bounds with his right foot, but luckily it goes our way.
We’ve struggled so much with final possessions, and we’ve also struggled to get the right people the ball, but not this time. Everyone knew the clock, and both EJ & BD make good decisions w/ the clock winding down.
Giving up the lead in the 4th again? Everyone knew it was probably going to happen, but at least they made some adjustments, playing a little more aggressively with the lead though the difference was the 3 ball and our inability to score when we needed to. An encouraging sign is that we’re giving EJ the ball more and more in these situations, as we’re going to need him to develop that skill for the team to be successful.
As mentioned above, Thornton’s response to the Sterling outburst doesn’t seem as coincidental anymore. Hopefully it can continue. BD looked like he was having fun out there as well, and Kaman made a couple pretty impressive plays inbetween his antics. It will be interesting to see how we can fare on the road, just give us some health and a little luck and we should close strong.
Tom Petty is on record of saying...
“Even the losers get lucky sometimes.”
Maybe that’s more appropriate.
MDsr best move
on the last play was having BD taking the ball out…and getting the ball to Gordon right away.
And like they say, even a broken clock is right twice a day. For once the end of the game play had the result that we have all been waiting for.
Do or do not. There is no try.
All good points
One thing to look for is the adjustment based on previous meltdowns. It’s tricky, because you can only do it when you have your full roster—that’s why it always seems new and they’re starting from scratch. The Clippers never had a chance before the season to establish a basic pecking order, and they’re still catching up. And let’s remember just how deep Gordon and Novak were buried on the depth chart at the beginning of the season, when both of them were struggling mightily just to get minutes. Hopefully by this time Novak is seen to be more valuable than Ricky Davis, and removing Mobley from the equation and giving Gordon the SG job is one of the very best parts of the Zbo trade. The Clips did seem to be getting the ball into Gordon’s hands just a bit more in the 4th quarter—one hopes that will continue. Don’t kid yourself—this play was made by Gordon’s funky-looking, extremely athletic pass, as he was moving forward and completely committed to going to the basket, looking for a shot or a foul, and he got neither and was still able to twist and get the ball back to BD, who did the right thing with it.
We still have to see what happens when Zbo comes back. Kaman has been predictably slow in getting his sea legs back, and it’s going to continue to be tough to decide who is on the floor down the stretch. MDSr was criticized for bringing in Novak cold off the bench for the final shot against the Cavs, but it’s easy to see why it was tempting. Novak should have seen some minutes earlier in the 2nd half and during the meltdown, but he had been in his mini-slump and wasn’t hitting shots the way he is now.
What does it take, do you think, to have Novak and Fred Jones on the roster next year?
And if DTS, Roeser, and MDSr want to make a nice symbolic gesture for the fans, it would be great to see them waive Ricky Davis, although it would ultimately make more sense to try to include him in some other deal. Just get him off the roster somehow, although it’s small potatoes.
by citizen zhiv on Mar 16, 2009 12:31 PM PDT up reply actions
would Swish ask
for Kopono money? will DTS give it to him?
"Duck, Crab. Crab, Duck"
Roger Sterling - Mad Men
by Lawler's Law on Mar 16, 2009 12:46 PM PDT up reply actions
What is Kopono money?
Or how much is Kopono money? It’s certainly where his agent would start.
Full mid-level I believe it was
Offer Novak 3years starting at 3M. Any more and you are probably making a terrible mistake…
Get me BD and 75 and I'm in
Ricky's value...
Your second instinct is correct. Ricky’s value is purely as a $2.5M expiring contract. You waive him, you lose that. But combined with either Kaman or Camby it can match a lot of players and be of interest to a lot of different teams.
So let’s say, completely hypothetically, that Toronto wants to pull a Gasol and get some assets in exchange for Chris Bosh, because they decide that they can suck without him, and they’re not going to be able to keep him anyway. And let’s say they want just expiring deals and picks in return (a reasonable possibility if they really did want to start over). Marcus Camby himself doesn’t get you to Bosh’s contract. Camby plus Ricky does the trick. Throw in two first rounders and Toronto might actually listen. Just a for instance.
In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd
by Steve Perrin on Mar 16, 2009 12:46 PM PDT up reply actions
Davis(3)
Best Case: We include Ricky in a deal that improves our team.
More Likely: No one wants him, even as an expiring contract, and we just waive him. I’m sure this would be fine with everyone. Hopefully he gets moved before training camp (if poss).
Worst Case: We hold onto him through next year.
But do really make that deal...
…and risk losing Bosh after a year? Or are you talking some kind of sign and trade. Nah, why would Bosh do that THIS offseason?
Actually the only way I think it works for the Clips is if it’s Kaman, Ricky, and picks. Without Kaman’s salary, you can offer Bosh the moon. Is there a way to trade Kaman, Camby, and two first rounders for Bosh? That doesn’t work does it? Interesting though.
Jeez
You rate Bosh pretty highly.
Get me BD and 75 and I'm in
Well...
…the consensus is this is a weak draft. And who knows what next years draft will be or where the Clips will draft… and we still have the Minny pick as well. Bosh would look nice between Zach and AT… better than an aging Camby and a foul-prone unsure Kaman. You do risk not being able to sign him, and that’s a huge risk.
Don't get hung up on Bosh...
It’s a hypothetical, Gasol-like example to illustrate the value of Ricky’s expiring deal. The point is, Camby+Ricky equals expiring contracts equal to a max contract for any player drafted after 2004 – you just don’t know what team is going to give up on what player at what time and decide to start over. Being able to put together the right package of expiring contracts and young assets (which the Clippers suddenly have a few of) puts you in the game. But Bosh is just a for instance. (And obviously you don’t do the deal without some level of confidence that he would re-sign.)
In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd
by Steve Perrin on Mar 16, 2009 4:19 PM PDT up reply actions
Yup...
I’m not at all convinced the Clips should trade Kaman, unless you bringing in someone else who can fill the lane. I’m not even sure that’s Chris Bosh.
Agreed
Trading Kaman, Camby and more for Bosh would leave the Clips light in the lane as both Bosh and Randolph are more 4’s than 5’s. Leaving DJ as the only true 5.
by Michael White on Mar 16, 2009 4:31 PM PDT up reply actions
as I was watching the final minutes of this game
and the “little guy’s” choice to foul when up by 3, i said to myself, “CS will rant about this tomorrow!”…I think that MILPH mentioned after Lopez’s foul that it was a dumb move by him, but then they foulded BD right away and MILPH said that the Lopez foul may have been intentional to get them in the bonus…Also TrueHoop posted about it…
http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-38-323/Up-Three-in-the-Closing-Seconds——To-Foul-or-Not-.html
"Duck, Crab. Crab, Duck"
Roger Sterling - Mad Men
How interesting...
How interesting that Hollinger is such a proponent of the foul there. He and I just do NOT see eye to eye on stuff – even esoterica that has nothing to do with demeaning the Clippers.
Does anyone know if he has ever crunched the numbers on this? He’s such a data driven analyst, I would think he’d have something to back up his position. Obviously, as he says, anything can happen in any given play, so one time does not prove anything. But I doubt anyone could convince me that what the Nets did was smart. Not with that much time. Not with the Clippers having a time out. Dumb, dumb, dumb. And for Hollinger to think it was smart? Also dumb.
In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd
by Steve Perrin on Mar 16, 2009 12:30 PM PDT up reply actions
One more thing...
Regarding the data – this happens so infrequently – how many times do you see the coach call for a foul in that situation? not many – that I’m not sure I would trust the data. The N is undoubtedly very small.
In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd
by Steve Perrin on Mar 16, 2009 12:32 PM PDT up reply actions
Equally interesting is what happens if Hayes makes one or two free throws...
…and the Clips are down by two or three.
If they’re down by three, Gordon can walk to the goal for the layup and the Nets cover the wings to prevent the three. But if they’re down by two, everything stays the same.
My point is that it makes Lawrence Frank’s call-for-a-foul even more questionable… especially leaving that much time on the clock.
Exactly...
With that much time left, mostly bad things happen. Hollinger references Baron’s FT percentage. OK, he’s not a great foul shooter. But he’s 76% this season. Meanwhile, Jarvis Hayes is 70% this season. So you’re fouling a guy who shoots better than the safety valve on your inbound play, and those two fouls happen quickly, leaving the Clippers with plenty of time to get a good shot, as we saw. So are you playing the odds? No. Odds are Baron makes more free throws than Hayes over time. More importantly, YOU HAVE A THREE POINT LEAD! You want the game to end… why are you creating an extra possession?
In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd
by Steve Perrin on Mar 16, 2009 4:37 PM PDT up reply actions
Cover the wings to protect the three
what a concept
Pick and Roll Defense...
Didn’t it seem like Kaman kept getting caught on the 3 point line and Lopez got some easy points?
Yes, but...
Someone has to rotate there. Depending on how the Clippers planned to play that, it’s not Kaman’s fault. If the big is going to show on the screen, his man is going to have a path to the basket – that’s simple physics. Someone else has to step into that path long enough for him to recover.
In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd
by Steve Perrin on Mar 16, 2009 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't even need to know what play he's talking about
I can see the correct rotation in my head.
One thing about Kaman is he always does the “right” thing on perimeter defense. He ends up looking wrong when the guy behind him doesn’t do his job.
Get me BD and 75 and I'm in
One Smart Thing
6:30pm starting time for a Sunday Night game. Is this standard?
Other than maybe Thursday & Friday nights, I think the 7:30 start times are too late. But I guess people need time to fight traffic after work to get there.
This is normal...
for Sunday night games. For the past couple of years, the Lakers have gotten this game time slot, with the Clippers having to play at 12:30 on Sundays. For some reason, the schedule was opposite this time.
Do or do not. There is no try.
Lakers had the noon
nationally televised game…when will ABC/ESPN stop making believe that the Mavs are still relevant in the West? how about some more Blazer games…
"Duck, Crab. Crab, Duck"
Roger Sterling - Mad Men
by Lawler's Law on Mar 16, 2009 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Exactly...
With 2 NBA and 1 NHL tenant, Staples loves the Sunday double headers. USUALLY it’s the Clippers with the 12:30 tip and the Lakers at 6:30. But with the Lakers on the ESPN on ABC game (what is that, how can one network be on another network), it was flip flopped.
I like the 12:30 tips as it’s the easiest one to take the kids to. But 6:30 is OK from a bed time standpoint. But in LA on workdays, it’s 7:30 tips. The crowd doesn’t really settle until about 8 as it is. If the tip was any earlier, no one would see the first quarter.
What was the deal with the full house? Is Vince Carter still that big a draw? Do people know Kidd and Jefferson are gone? When they showed the crowd shot after Novak’s three I was shocked.
In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd
by Steve Perrin on Mar 16, 2009 4:25 PM PDT up reply actions
I actually prefer Sunday day games for the Clips. There is plenty of good programming on Sunday nights while there is nothing on during the day.
by Michael White on Mar 16, 2009 2:37 PM PDT up reply actions
During football season..
I prefer the Clippers don’t play on Sunday at all. After the NFL is done though, the Sunday day games are the way to go.
Do or do not. There is no try.
BINGO!!!!!
Ralph Lawler’s call was priceless, short and sweet. Steve Novak is such a beast. We have to find a way to hold on to him. I’m so glad the Clippers got the victory. I’m going to say that thah was the best late game play (at least in terms of execution) in Clipper history.
I’ve been on hiatus for a week. Tons of work combined with the Cleveland debacle subdued me for awhile. I’m still convinced that the Clippers will never fully succeed with DTS as owner. I’m also still annoyed that I root for a team that has little to no hope of winning now or in the near future. But I digress. I’m enjoying this one.
I didn’t even see that much of the game. I was doing homework, and I took a break to check the score and Clippers Live was on, and I heard them talk about a game winning shot. Luckily, my TV had been on FSN the whole time, so I was able to rewind it back to the shot to get Ralph’s call (I love DVR). Absolutely amazing. In a year where this team has 16 wins, it’s great to have something to be happy about.
After all, I’m sure I’ll be lamenting another poor showing tomorrow.
"If a Clippers fan is reading a newspaper in his living room and the ceiling falls on him, he'll just shrug and move to another room." -Bill Simmons
by WestsideBrandon on Mar 16, 2009 3:43 PM PDT reply actions
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4x9p2ky08U
There’s nothing more to say.
"This kid is the best new talent in the league right now, and I don't care who else you mention." -Suns Coach, Alvin Gentry, on Clippers rookie sensation, Eric Gordon.
Baron
The best part about that shot is Baron’s reaction. He’s genuinely thrilled, which, frankly, he hasn’t been frequently this season.
There was a possession in the second half yesterday, where either the floor mikes were calibrated wrong, or Baron just happened to be facing right at a hyperbolic mike, or something… I dunno why… but you could hear Baron talking throughout the possession. He was telling Al where to be on help D, and Al ended up getting the steal. It was really interesting. He was INTO this game, for whatever reason, and it just hasn’t happened that much this season.
In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd
by Steve Perrin on Mar 16, 2009 4:30 PM PDT up reply actions
bizzaro world
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTbm4VhO8L4
"This kid is the best new talent in the league right now, and I don't care who else you mention." -Suns Coach, Alvin Gentry, on Clippers rookie sensation, Eric Gordon.
Wow checked out steins power rankings. “The magic formula: All my Clips needed to finally break through for their first win this month was a Devin Harris injury, seven 3s — including a buzzer-beater — from Steve Novak and a scathing Simmons column.”
Thats a bit harsh
Right about Devin's injury
We probably don’t win without it.
I dunno...
Would they have scored MORE than 16 points in 5 minutes with Harris out there?
In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd
by Steve Perrin on Mar 16, 2009 10:01 PM PDT up reply actions
He's their best player
I don’t think it’s all about the points scored.

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