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So, Donald, What's it Gonna Take to Put You Into a New GM?

GM.  Or coach.  Or both.

I know that for many if not most of the Citizens of Clips Nation, the time has long since passed to move beyond the Mike Dunleavy era.  He produced one playoff series win almost three years ago, and nothing but mediocrity or much worse since.

If we're being honest about the situation, it's really the 40-42 06-07 season that is the biggest blemish on his resume.  The team's combined win total of 39 wins since that season, which ties them with Memphis and Seattle/OKC - two teams in full fledged, ground up, rebuild mode - for the fewest wins in the NBA over that span is terrible and reason enough to warrant a change.  But the injury excuses muddy the waters of the past two seasons, making it at least unclear and possibly unfair to blame MDsr for the team's worst-in-the-league performance.  But recall that the 06-07 Clippers, coming off a great season and their first ever playoff series win in California, underperformed the entire season.  Yes, Sam Cassell was less than 100% and Shaun Livingston went down in late February.  But the simple fact is that Cassell was way past his prime and so expecting him to help the team a lot was unrealistic - I mean, it's not like he went to Boston and lit it up.  As for Livingston, the Clippers were 26-29 at the time of his injury.  Clearly they had underperformed significantly in those first 55 games.  The fact that this all occurred BEFORE his contract extension even kicked in just adds to the pain.  Sterling finally ponies up some big-boy money for a coach - and it all immediately goes south.

But we are where we are.  Dunleavy's still the coach, with two years and $11M on that contract extension.  So what happens now?

Let's assume for a moment that we believe his rhetoric that this team, when healthy, can compete for a playoff spot.  Certainly there is plenty of talent on paper.  So while it strains credulity to say that a playoff team (even a lower tier playoff team) turns into the worst team in the league not just when three starters are out, but pretty much all the time, let's give the coach the benefit of the doubt and say that maybe that's what happened.

Last night in Oakland marked game one of the healthy Clipper era.  Injuries to Ricky Davis (who has been terrible all season and should not be in the rotation regardless) and Mardy Collins (a minimum salary player who was a throw in to the Zach Randolph trade) don't count.  So in their first healthy game, they lost to a 23 win team missing 3 starters.  An inauspicious debut, to say the least.

There are 15 games left now.  Including the loss to the Warriors, owner Donald Sterling and team president Andy Roeser have a data set of 16 games, about 20% of an NBA season, with which to evaluate this roster and this coach/GM.  So let's further assume that they're serious about making a change if necessary to improve the team - what's the magic number?

Dallas has a .603 winning percentage, which is good enough for the last spot in the Western Conference playoffs.  That's about what it took last season by the way, when the Warriors missed the playoffs with 48 wins.  So if the goal is to be good enough to make the playoffs, the Clippers really need to win 9 or 10 of their final 16 games to be in that conversation.  And they need to get cracking, because they've gotten off to a bad start at 0-1 for the final 16.

On the other hand, the team's current winning percentage is .239.  So they only have to win 4 games to slightly improve on that dismal record.

So, although we still don't have any real clue what's going to happen, let's say, just for fun, that 3 or fewer wins definitely gets MDsr fired, and 9 or more wins definitely gets him into training camp next season.  What happens if it's somewhere in between?

That's my big fear of course: the Clippers play this last month and win enough games to provide a little cover for Sterling and Roeser to not have to eat the contract, but not enough games to actually prove they're competitive.  Imagine they go 7-9 with a healthy roster: everyone is happy - WOW - we only won 15 games in the first 65 and then we won 8 of the last 17 (including the Nets game).  What a turnaround!  Um, sure... but it's still less than .500 basketball with a lineup that was built to win now.  Project that performance out to a full season and it's the worst of all worlds - no playoffs, and no ping pong balls. 

Looking at the remaining schedule is interesting in the context of this conversation.  Including tonight's game against the Wizards, the Clippers have home games against four of the five worst teams in the league (not counting themselves): Washington, Minnesota, Sacramento and Oklahoma City.  So winning home games at full strength against terrible teams doesn't prove much.  (Actually, in a normal world, a loss in any one of those four should earn MDsr his immediate dismissal.)  On the other end of the spectrum, they have seven road games remaining against playoff teams.  Those are going to be tough games to win, all the more so because the opponent has much more to play for.  Losing to Boston or the Lakers or Utah on the road?  Well, that's to be expected. 

Which leaves four games where the expected outcome is more in doubt: at Toronto, at New York, home against New Orleans and home against Portland.

Given the uninspiring play we've seen from this team the vast majority of this season, my expectations are very low.  I think they'll lose at least one game to the dregs teams.  Maybe they'll steal one on the road from New York or Toronto.  But I'd be shocked if they were able to beat a playoff team, even at full strenghth.  I hope I'm wrong.

The latest edition of ESPN the Magazine (I haven't found a link for this, apparently it's only in the print edition) says that Sterling has reached out to Lakers assistant GM Ronnie Lester.  If it's true, it's somewhat encouraging - not the most creative approach perhaps, talking to the assistant GM for the other team in town, seems a little like if Sterling can't actually walk to the guy's office he wouldn't be able to find a candidate - but the fact that Sterling has identified at least one candidate is surprisingly proactive. 

Among all the other questions is this:  would MDsr be relieved of his coaching duties, his GM duties, or both?  It seems pretty obvious that if the team is going to make a move, it's coach Dunleavy that is the first to go.  Whether you competely buy in to the team GM Dunleavy has assembled or not, coach Dunleavy has clearly not motivated them to produce on the court.  But it's always seemed pretty obvious to me that you can't do this half way - if he needs to be gone, he needs to be gone.  Specifically, if it's a personality conflict with Baron Davis, then why would you want to leave him in the GM role?  The fact that this rumor surfaced about a potential new GM seems to support the idea that Sterling is looking at making a clean break.  There's no way they'd contemplate putting a rookie GM in place while leaving the former GM on the bench (at least I hope they wouldn't contemplate something so crazy).

It's difficult to say how Donald Sterling thinks - he's a strange guy.  We've talked a lot about Dunleavy's contract and the fact that he's still owed $11M after this season.  But it's not Dunleavy's contract that matters so much in this conversation - that's a sunk cost.  What matters is the replacement cost.  Hiring Kurt Rambis and Ronnie Lester away from the Lakers (or any other rookie head coach and rookie GM combo) would cost him about $2M per year for the coach, maybe $1M per for the GM (I don't know how much GM's make, but we know that Elgin said his $350K was out of line).  So the minimum replacement cost is about $3M annually.  Hiring Jeff Van Gundy or Avery Johnson or Flip Saunders or Eddie Jordan would cost significantly more, and I think we can safely say that ain't happening, as much as we might like it.  The best case scenario would seem to be a reasonable choice of a first time head coach, first time GM costing Sterling about $3M annually in replacement cost. 

In the cost benefit analysis, Sterling and Roeser need to examine that $3M against season ticket renewals, which will of course be disastrous.  However, there's no guarantee that a coaching change is going to help significantly.  The long time season ticket holders were clear in their meeting with Roeser that they want Dunleavy out - but I doubt seriously that any of them agreed to re-up immediately if the coach is fired. 

So what's the magic number for Dunleavy to lose his job?  Take the poll.

Poll
How many losses do the Clippers have to have over the final 16 games with a healthy roster for Mike Dunleavy Sr. to lose his job?
13 or more (3-13 record in the final 16)
25 votes
12 (4-12)
6 votes
11 (5-11)
6 votes
10 (6-10)
16 votes
9 (7-9)
8 votes
8 (8-8)
8 votes
7 (9-7)
8 votes
Doesn't matter - they can win 15 straight, I still want him gone.
80 votes

157 votes | Poll has closed

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I agree with you about the worst season

That’s the season where MDSr had Corey playing off the bench with only EB as a go to scorer starting the game. That’s also the season where EB seemed to have had it with the team at the end of the year when they couldn’t beat the Kings.

by Jax on Mar 18, 2009 2:12 PM PDT reply actions  

Ya

Then he showed ’em by getting all hurt cause he was bitter about the Kings game.

It’s funny that the tune has changed from “No way can Corey come off the bench period its insane” to “well he shouldn’t have left EB as the only go-to scorer (an arbitrary and made up designation)” now that Nelson is doing the same thing.

Get me BD and 75 and I'm in

by John R on Mar 18, 2009 2:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

You seem so bitter

And prey tell what precisely is your point?
 
My implicit point there was that the Kings game may have been the beginning of the end for EB’s relationship with the Clippers

My point about Corey coming off the bench has always been the same. I suggest that you go back and actually read the posts. That team did not have enough scorers to handle having the second leading scorer coming off the bench (in favor of Q Ross – who’s currently tearing it up in Memphis – no less).

And no, Nellie is not “doing the same thing” in GS. The situation in GS is completely different. That team, unlike the Clippers, has a multitude of scorers starting.

Your post is either intentionally misleading or reflective of an uninformed mind (at least insofar as the NBA is concerned). I’ve explained this to you several times now, but you never seem to get it.

by Jax on Mar 18, 2009 2:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

That Kings game was the turning point...

we just didn’t know it.
Only the Clips would renew a coach who lost that one and dropped us out of the playoffs.
Nice write-up CS – and I liked the pun in the headline.
And count me in the “Doesn’t matter” category…

by ClipperLifer on Mar 18, 2009 4:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

DTS and the Depression

Great, clear, insightful post as always, and again as always, it makes too much sense to serve as any kind of a road map to the future of the Clippers. Something weird and strange and unpredictable will happen, and there’s really no way to figure out what it will be.

But here’s an additional note to consider. I was very impressed and disturbed by Bill Simmons’ breakdown of the “No Benjamins Association” and the financial problems that the league is facing (Simmons giveth, and he taketh away.) On the face of things, DTS and the Clips are just about the least effected team by any financial downturn, all part of the basic DTS premise of being cheap.

Most of us think that DTS is going to have trouble swallowing MDSr’s contract whole. And I’m also worried that if DTS gets rid of MDSr he might go back to his old days of staggering cheap incompetency.

But in looking at the Simmons doomsday scenario, or at least parts of it, we see something that DTS is only too familiar with from his real estate empire: it’s a buyers market.

NBA salaries are going to go down. Players will not get the huge salaries that they did in the recent past. The 2010 free agent bonanza is going to be fascinating because it contains some bonafide superstars and some top line players, but it will be set against the backdrop of distressed financial circumstances for many teams. Let’s just say that teams are going to be extra careful not to overpay for players and leave it at that.

So, won’t the same thing probably be true for coaches. DTS is certainly thinking that he got some good early value out of MDSr but then he overpaid by quite a bit. Dunleavy took advantage of a period of great inflation in coach’s salaries. At a time when everybody else in the league is watching their financial profile so carefully, it’s safe to assume that DTS is going to look at market value of coaches (and GMs too, for that matter).

And since he has MDSr already under contract, my guess is that he’ll wait it out. There will be a new era market value established for the next crop of coaches, and DTS is going to want to see what that looks like.

Along these lines, the good news could be that DTS might have a chance to get a pretty good coach at a bargain price during this downturn. That’s probably just Club Optimism talking. The downside of that scenario is that it might take a little longer to get MDSr out and to move on.

by citizen zhiv on Mar 18, 2009 2:12 PM PDT reply actions  

Jeez

You wrote that whole post and you didn’t mention the win against the Celtics? Seems like data relevant to the state of the team.

Get me BD and 75 and I'm in

by John R on Mar 18, 2009 2:23 PM PDT reply actions  

Jeez

Couldn’t figure out the right angle.

Let’s see—channeling the true inner Simmons—what I really meant to say is that when the Celtics get on the plane for game 7 in Cleveland, because the Clippers beat the Celtics and rolled over against the Cavs, I’m going to campaign for DTS to give Doc Rivers the Clipper job, since I hated Rivers with incredible passion until Kevin Garnett showed up.

Nah, not good enough. Can’t figure it out.

by citizen zhiv on Mar 18, 2009 2:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

Interesting...

In all this Simmons-talk, Zhiv hits on a critical point in all the “Dunleavy-has-lost-the-team” stuff.
That was exactly what Bill Simmons endlessly harped on during the pre-Kevin Garnett Celtic’s days. He constantly ragged on Doc Rivers, saying he “couldn’t coach” and had “lost the team”, should be thrown out of the league, etc. In light of this, is it possible that Mike Dunleavy could regain this Clipper team? Is it possible for a coach, any coach, to regain a team after he’s lost them?
And no, it’s not enough to say, “Sure, he can, just add Kevin Garnett and Ray Allen.” That’s one example. A poor one, I think… but are there others?

by John Raffo on Mar 18, 2009 5:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

Winning...

Winning is the ultimate coaching clinic. And losing makes everyone look bad. Players don’t give as much effort, they don’t play with pain, they grouse in the press, etc. etc. etc. when the team is losing. When the team is winning, they’re much more inclined to do the extra things the coach wants them to do. Think about it – all coaches want effort and ask for it. Some may be better motivators than others, but they all want it. When teams are winning, they start giving more, so it feeds on itself. So, yes, I think it’s possible.

Unfortunately, once the losing starts, it’s hard to break out of that cycle. That’s why a KG like acquisition is so important.

BTW, your point about Simmons is spot on. It’s why I don’t take him too seriously. I don’t think I ever saw the ‘I was wrong about Doc Rivers’ column. Maybe I just missed it.

In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd

by Steve Perrin on Mar 18, 2009 6:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah...

It might be exactly what MDSr was up to when he was, allegedly, trying to trade Baron at the deadline… for, according to some, Tracy McGrady: Make a big splash, get rid of a piece that doesn’t easily fit and bring in a piece that will, in all likelihood, not fit any better. It’s kind of a silly move, but MDSr., the steady, clever GM is fully focused on saving the job of his overpaid and embattled coach… a move which he would never make if he weren’t so… uh… fond of that same coach.
The acquisition might deflect the unhappy ticketholders and the equally unhappy owner for a while… and there’s a chance, a small one, that MD, the coach, might be able to lift the weird existential malaise that hangs over the team right now (I’m paraphrasing Zhiv on that last bit, credit where credit is due).
Yeah, and I know, the trade wasn’t necessarily for McGrady at all, but…. still.

by John Raffo on Mar 18, 2009 9:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

Of course, losing is the ultimate barometer, but

it is certainly possible to determine whether it is likely that a particular coach is going to lose, based on personality, coaching style, prior record, etc.

I think that those of you who think that this team’s losing is not the result of MDSr’s lack of competence are just flat wrong.

by Jax on Mar 19, 2009 10:02 AM PDT up reply actions  

Currently 17-9 in favor of cutting ties now

And one poor sop says to keep him on even if the team goes 3-13 or worse

by Jax on Mar 18, 2009 2:55 PM PDT reply actions  

I wonder

how FireDunleavyNow.com would have voted if he was still around.

by Michael White on Mar 18, 2009 2:57 PM PDT reply actions  

Correction: FireDunleavy.com

no NOW in there…

"Duck, Crab. Crab, Duck"
Roger Sterling - Mad Men

by Lawler's Law on Mar 18, 2009 3:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

While we're talking about Dunleavy...

it’s fan appreciatioin/giveaway night. I don’t want to go and I can’t even find someone to take my tickets. That should sum it up right there.

by eastie Rich on Mar 18, 2009 3:37 PM PDT reply actions  

hhhmmm...how many you got?...i'll take them!

"Duck, Crab. Crab, Duck"
Roger Sterling - Mad Men

by Lawler's Law on Mar 18, 2009 3:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

I've got two lower level,

  And I’m on my fourth try to give them away. Still waiting for a call back. Clippers, what a draw this year. Man, I can’t help it, I’ve been going to games and have been a season ticket holder for eight years, but for some reason this year, I just can’t take it. The First move this team needs to make is get rid of Dunleavy.

by eastie Rich on Mar 18, 2009 3:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

Clippers are the anti-draw

I was going to take my eldest to a game a few weeks ago, and he declared, “I don’t want to go watch the Clippers lose again!” with tears in his eyes.

by RichardSP on Mar 18, 2009 5:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

It's the bizarro world MasterCard commercial

Tickets to the ball game – $300
Parking – $20
Hot dogs – $16
Staying home so you don’t have to watch the Clippers lose? Priceless

In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd

by Steve Perrin on Mar 18, 2009 5:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

Steve, thats hillarious!

  Really, I couldn’t find anyone to take the seats. I know I’ve had offers here (thanks), so I guess I’m just going to have to go.

by eastie Rich on Mar 18, 2009 5:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

Could I pick

“all of the above”?

In all seriousness, do we really think that Sterling would eat up Dun’s salary?

"This kid is the best new talent in the league right now, and I don't care who else you mention." -Suns Coach, Alvin Gentry, on Clippers rookie sensation, Eric Gordon.

by cliptakular on Mar 18, 2009 3:41 PM PDT reply actions  

crud...

I think I voted wrong…

I thought you were asking us when WE think he’s gonna be fired.

In this case, I want him gone now. I wanted him gone before Christmas.

"This kid is the best new talent in the league right now, and I don't care who else you mention." -Suns Coach, Alvin Gentry, on Clippers rookie sensation, Eric Gordon.

by cliptakular on Mar 18, 2009 3:45 PM PDT reply actions  

I think he's in with a .500 record here on out

It’s doable…we play a lot of so-so teams in the east…nearly every game is winnable, except for Celtics/Utah on the road. Of course, these are the Clips, so that’s not going to happen. iF we get around 23-25 wins, it would buy MDSr some time. Or a win over the Lakers. We’ll see.

This is going to be my team, and we're going to rise together.
-Clipper Darrell

by oasisman on Mar 19, 2009 1:02 AM PDT reply actions  

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