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Clippers @ Detroit - Game Preview

2008/2009 NBA Regular Season
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17-51
33-34
The Palace at Auburn Hills
March 20th, 2009, 5:00 PM
KTLA Channel 5, 1260 AM
Probable starters:
Baron Davis
PG Rodney Stuckey
Eric Gordon
SG Arron Afflalo
Al Thornton
SF Tayshaun Prince
Zach Randolph
PF Kwame Brown
Chris Kaman
C Antonio McDyess

The Back Story:

  • January 4, 2009 in LA - Detroit 88 - Clippers 87   box score   recap

The Big Picture:

The Clippers begin their final extended road trip of the season in Detroit against a team that has absolutely owned them in recent years.  The Clippers haven't beaten the Pistons in over 6 years, and most of the losses have been pretty ugly.  One exception was the first meeting this season, when the Pistons pulled out an 88-87 victory in the final seconds.  The Pistons were missing Rip Hamilton and Rasheed Wallace in that one, while the Clippers were missing Baron Davis and Zach Randolph and Chris Kaman.  This time around, the Pistons will again be missing Hamilton and Wallace (both are listed as doubtful), only those two will also be joined by Allen Iverson; but the Clippers will have a much stronger team, at least on paper.  The Pistons had no answer for Eric Gordon in LA - the rookie went for 31.  In fact, Detroit paid him the ultimate compliment by putting Tayshaun Prince on him for the final possession.  The Clippers are as healthy as they've been all season, and Chris Kaman is coming off a strong shooting performance, but there's just no telling what you're going to see out of this team from one night to the next.  Will it be the efficient Clipper team that built a big lead against New Jersey last Sunday?  Or the one that squandered that lead in the fourth quarter?  The one that dismantled the undermanned Wizards in the second half?  Or the one that meandered through the first half of the same game?  There's not much to play for other than pride - and MDsr's job - and it's far from clear that the Clippers have any of the first, or care about preserving the second.

The Antagonist:

The Pistons, as we have known them for the better part of this decade, are done.  Sure, they still have three starters from the championship team (though only one of them is likely to play tonight).  But they've got a losing record in March, and that hasn't happened in 8 years.  They've also got a likely first round date with Boston, so they're not getting to the second round this season.  (If they get lucky and draw Orlando in the first round they could advance, since they seem to have the Magic's number for whatever reason.)  With Iverson and Wallace both becoming free agents and the Pistons having a ton of cap space because of it, Joe Dumars is going to totally re-shape the team this summer.  The Clippers get a sneak preview of the Pistons sans Iverson and Wallace - only there also aren't any new free agents.  Just a bunch of backups like Arron Afflalo and Kwame Brown trying to get them into the playoffs in reasonable shape.  With 15 games left, it's unlikely, though not impossible, that the Pistons could drop all the way out of the East playoff picture - they're currently in 7th in the anemic East, despite being below .500.  But they're 6 and 13 in their last 19 games, and if they keep losing two out three, it could happen.  They need Hamilton and Wallace back (though likely not Iverson) to right the ship.

The Subplots:

  • November 3rd 2002.  Here are some fun facts about the game the last time the Clippers beat the Pistons.  Zeljko Rebraca was the starting center - FOR DETROIT.  (Olowokandi started for the Clippers, and had a monster 19/20 game.)  Current Pistons coach Michael Curry was Detroit's starting small forward.  Utah All Star Mehmut Okur came off Detroit's bench to play one minute in the game.  Detroit rookie Tayshaun Prince got a DNP CD.  The coach of the Clippers was Alvin Gentry.  The Clippers have never beaten Detroit in the MDsr era.
  • Forget Al Tonight.  Al Thornton has been on a roll.  He's had 7 consecutive games scoring between 19 and 25 points.  He's been the picture of consistency.  But Tayshaun Prince is a defensive monster.  He will shut Al down - it's what he does.  Go elsewhere for points.  Al can fill lanes and get put backs and hustle points, but don't call a single play for him.  It will not end well.  Mark my words.
  • Oh my aching back!  Allen Iverson's back suddenly and mysteriously started hurting the exact same day that coach Michael Curry told him he'd be coming off the bench for the Pistons.  I mean, what are the odds?  The Pistons went on a modest 4 game winning streak immediately upon putting Hamilton back into the starting lineup.  He's a former Rookie of the Year, a former MVP, a likely first ballot hall of famer - but he doesn't seem to make teams better.  It will be very interesting to see what a 34 year old AI (with a bad back, no less!) can command on the free agent market this summer.
  • The Clipper Bigs.  As ridiculous at it seemed at the time, when we found out way back in January that the Chris Kaman would be out until the All Star break, I resigned myself to the fact that the team would only have their three big players together for the 29 games after the break.  Of course, he didn't come back right away.  And then Zach Randolph was gone.  And then Marcus Camby was resting his sore hamstring.  And even the couple of games where all three were available were strange, as Kaman and Camby were both quite limited in the first one, and the second was against the small ball Warriors.  So those 29 games that I thought would be a decent, if smallish, sample size have now dwindled to 15.  And there's no word on whether Camby will be able to play tonight.  Sigh.
  • Eric Gordon.  EJ had a terrible game in Oakland on Tuesday, his worst of the season.  He followed that up with a terrible first half Wednesday night.  And he followed that with a monster second half.  He seems to be slump-proof.  It's worth noting that the Clippers lost a winnable game in Oakland when he had an off-night, and trailed the Wizards at half time as well.  Coincidence?
  • Pistons bench.  Obviously with three of your top six out of action, the bench gets much thinner, a fact with which the Clippers are painfully aware.  But in a double overtime loss to the Rockets on Wendesday, the Pistons starters played 84% of the available minutes.  Three guys played over 50 minutes each.  The strange thing is, weren't we being told how great Jason Maxiell and Amir Johnson were going to be when they got the chance to play?  But Kwame Brown (yes, that Kwame Brown) starts and plays 42 minutes, while Maxiell plays 19 and Johnson plays 1?  What happened?
  • Superstar for one game.  Rodney Stuckey.  OK, Stuckey's hardly an unknown, and was even the conference player of the week back in January.  But I figure I can use the ClipperSteve reverse mojo to force Stuckey into a bad game, just to tweak Citizen Jax a little.
  • Movie Quote: 

    Let me tell you what Melba Toast is packin' right here, all right. We got 4:11 Positrac outback, 750 double pumper, Edelbrock intake, bored over 30, 11 to 1 pop-up pistons, turbo-jet 390 horsepower. We're talkin' some f***in' muscle.

    Wooderson - Dazed and Confused (1993).  Not a lot of pistons related quotes out there, so I was pleased to find this from an underrated early Richard Linklater film.  Maybe I just liked it because it was set in High School in 1976.  Couldn't possibly have been a young Matthew McConaughey that drew me in.
  • Get the Pistons perspective at Detroit Bad Boys.

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A Conundrum

It’s really hard being a Clippers fan right now. I’m caught up between two things: Do I want the Clippers to keep winning, lower the chances to get a higher pick in the lottery and unfortunately prolong Dunleavy’s job or continue to lose, get a high draft pick and have a better chance to get Dunleavy out.

When we win, EJ usually has a great game. When we lose, he usually doesn’t. I want EJ to do well but right now, I don’t want us to keep winning either.

Currently, we’re the third worst team in the league (17-51), but we could become the 5th (OKC 19-49, Mephis 17-50).

6th if we catch Toronto (24-44) but I guess it won’t be too bad because it shows that this team could play .500 basketball (7-7) especially with the teams coming up.

"This kid is the best new talent in the league right now, and I don't care who else you mention." -Suns Coach, Alvin Gentry, on Clippers rookie sensation, Eric Gordon.

by cliptakular on Mar 20, 2009 9:29 AM PDT reply actions  

Minnesota, 20 wins

You skipped Minny. I assume the Clippers will move up to 6th worst. Making up 7 wins on Toronto or GSW is not going to happen with 15 left. But I think the expectation should be to catch the other Western bottom dwellers. The point about prolonging the Dunleavy era is a good one… but the team needs to show what it can do first and foremost.

In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd

by Steve Perrin on Mar 20, 2009 9:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

Not quite .500

But not excluding any games than Randolph has appeared in, the Clippers would be on pace to win 34.

Now, when he plays over 30 minutes, they are still 12-9 and on pace to win 47 games. Unforntunately they would make them statistically most likely to finish 9th this year, but could have had them rising as high as 5th or 6th.

Get me BD and 75 and I'm in

by John R on Mar 20, 2009 10:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

what? You want them to lose? you shouldnt be a fan

by ClipperMyth on Mar 20, 2009 1:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

Dazed and Confused

How is Dazed and Confused underrated? Certainly not by me. Zhiv is Uni High Class of 76. Starting pg against Kiki’s Palisades Dolphins, running a stall and keeping it close until the 4th quarter. So that movie pretty much covers a lot of the Zhiv Experience.

I’m thinking that I could jot down a few words about it in my standard manner, and since I’m rarely shy around here I guess I might as well. The quick funny version is that I saw it with a bunch of my buddies (from Uni, more or less in the movie business, in a little screening room) when it came out (1991?), 15 years after we graduated. And I remember we were really specific, about how songs on the soundtrack didn’t come out until the following summer, after the time the movie was set, and other details that weren’t perfectly correct. Cut to 2006, and the day that my daughter graduated 11th grade, just like Pink and his cronies in the movie, and I watched it with her. Completely different experience: first of all, the movie shows EXACTLY what it was like to go to a big public sunbelt high school in the mid-70s, and second, and quite astonishing and spectacular actually, is the way that this “education” contained absolutely no academic content whatsoever. My daughter’s 11th grade schedule included APs in Calculus, Physics, World History, and English, and an Honors class in Russian Lit and Culture that she was able to take because she had done AP Latin the year before. She loved the movie, but it must have seemed to her like it would have been for me to watch a Mickey Rooney-Judy Garland movie with a Benny Goodman soundtrack with my dad.

I thought it was definitely going to be a big hit, but it wasn’t. But I don’t think it’s underrated.

by citizen zhiv on Mar 20, 2009 12:39 PM PDT reply actions  

Underrated...

I suppose I can’t really account for exactly how Zhiv rates every movie – but it certainly wasn’t a big hit and I guess that’s what I’m saying – it was underrated (would you prefer underappreciated?) in the general population.

I’ve been a tad disappointed in Linklater’s career, given Slackers and D&C as the appetizers. Before Sunrise/Sunset were ambitious, and well made, and Julie Delpy is radiant, and the Eurail pass experience was another to which I could relate – but exactly how much Ethan Hawke can one person take? To ask me to do that twice? That’s just going too far. School of Rock is an all time favorite with an amazing energy owing much of course to Jack Black. But I was sorely disappointed in Bad News Bears, which was not nearly the equal of the original.

Me? Agoura, class of 81 – so the era is not exact, but I certainly recognized it. Fast Times at Ridgemont High – released in 1982 – is my HS movie. The urban legend held that Cameron Crowe was underground at my very high school to research his screenplay, but I think that same legend existed at every HS from Reseda to Thousand Oaks.

In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd

by Steve Perrin on Mar 20, 2009 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

Scanner Darkly?

Watched that one with my son. I think that with D&C and School of Rock, Linklater has nothing left to prove, in a modest way. The key player in School of Rock is actually the writer, Mike White, who had known Jack Black for years and crafted the movie for him. I know the producer and I had assumed that JBlack was coming up with a lot of it, but he said it was just the opposite, carefully scripted. But I’ve never talked to him about Linklater’s role. All I know is that SoR is amazingly watchable, as only the best family movies are—I think it was well timed as a movie for my son. Part of the equation here is how old your kids are when you hit these movies, and that’s something I was trying to get at with my daughter and D&C. Pixar, as CS mentioned earlier here in “movie week”, is doing a phenomenal job, but my own kids/daughter hit the movie beach with the Disney animation renaissance, with Little Mermaid, Beauty and the Beast, Aladdin and Lion King.

It’ll be interesting

by citizen zhiv on Mar 20, 2009 3:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

Haven't seen Scanner Darkly

Do you recommend?

I hadn’t thought about this particular thing before, but it just occurred to me that the Disney renaissance was much more a ‘musical’ thing than a ‘movie’ thing (or even an animation thing for that matter). Mermaid, Beauty, Aladdin were all pretty much just Ashman/Mencken to me – great musical theater, but not necessarily great cinema. And they were very different than old school Disney musicals – Cinderella, Sleeping Beauty, Snow White – none of those really has a ‘broadway’ vibe (which explains why we haven’t seen stage adaptations). Lion King (ClipperMax’s first movie, he was frequently held aloft during the opening scene) aspired to be more, and mostly achieved it…. but Pixar movies tend to work on a very sophisticated level as well as being wonderfully entertaining.

Interestingly, I recently watched Fast Times with ClipperMax, now a teenager. I must have been out of the room for the Phoebe Cates topless scene – I no doubt would have fast forwarded through that had I been there, but lucky him he got to see it.

Sean Penn’s Spicolli is righteous – not at all bogus.

In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd

by Steve Perrin on Mar 20, 2009 4:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

Zhiv @ Uni?

Aren’t you Crossroads current/ex? I have a son in K there now. Figured I’d run into you – we’d be the only people in Clippers gear.

by RichardSP on Mar 20, 2009 2:52 PM PDT reply actions  

And oh yeah, about the game...

I’m curious to see if my theory about BD playing better when he’s on the floor with guys who can hit shots (Gordon and Novak, rather than Davis2) as well as guys who can play inside-out (Kaman-Randolph) holds any water. The premise of the equation is that BD needs to be playing with superior shooters in order to be mindful that he himself should shoot less and get better shots for himself, and he will do well focusing on setting up other guys.

Also wondering if Fred Jones should be included in the “good shooters” category.

Hoping that Kaman can continue to make progress. As CS said, watch the turnovers. The game against the Wizards was a fluke, one of those times when all the crazy reverse spins conceived with pretzel logic happen to go in the basket. It was too good to be true. But it wasn’t Mr. Flippy either. Still wondering if we might get a glimpse of Kaman 2.0 before we’re done. And he’s another guy that BD might be trying to set up—they’ve had a few where BD’s penetration gets Kaman a gimme that he can “flip” in (or not).

Has anybody mentioned the midcourt BD pass—Gordon flush from the Wizards game? That was an amazing play, pretty worthy of note. Incredible quick pass to an incredible player. I think the CS theory of “as Gordon goes, so go the Clips” is something to keep an eye on too. We found out when he was injured that the Clips aren’t the same team without him, and then his little slump/funk had a significant effect. I like the way the Novak symbiosis—two superior shooters—can affect that too.

by citizen zhiv on Mar 20, 2009 3:54 PM PDT reply actions  

Kaman vs. the Wizards

He was relatively decisive and strong. Not as good as we like, but it wasn’t a complete fluke that he was 9 for 10. He wasn’t overthinking things – the one time he did a double move, it worked, but mostly he went into his move straightaway. We also got to see the good and the bad with JaVale McGee. He’s freaky long – but Kaman just went right through him like he didn’t exist on several occasions. If he doesn’t get stronger, he’s going to have a difficult time in the league, no matter how long he is.

In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd

by Steve Perrin on Mar 20, 2009 4:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah

Milph does a good job of tracking the “don’t think” approach to Kaman. It’s just those crazy spins, the left-handed reverses (which are so exquisite on x-mo), and sometimes they all go in.

Kaman did do well on occasion with JeVale McGee. But even going 9-10 he still wasn’t tearing things up like Kaman 2.0, even discounting the turnovers. Kaman wasn’t quite as active, determined, and successful a rebounder as 2.0.

McGee is an intriguing project—it will be interesting to track his progress alongside DJordan’s. Not a bad guy to have as your 4th or 5th big, but far from ready for prime time.

by citizen zhiv on Mar 20, 2009 4:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

rebounds...

Agreed. When Kaman looks like one of the best rebounders in the league… that’s Kaman 2.0. He hasn’t looked remotely like that guy so far.

In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd

by Steve Perrin on Mar 20, 2009 4:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

Change of Subject....

I can’t help it. I’ve been a Clipper fan since I moved to CA 25 years ago and this year Sterling and Dunleavy have/are just beating the life out of me. I just received another e-mail, 3 games $20. Don’t even get me started on why are they doing this. Can the franchise really use the additional 2k? Really, they’ve taken my heart and just stomped on it. I’ve been able to ignore all the stories about Sterling for years because I’ve loved the teams. But now, seeing this just validates every negative thing I’ve heard. That and the coach.

Now, before you think I’m a scrooge, I’d like to say if he donated 1,000 – 5,000 tickets to different charities, to the boys club or girls club or something like that, not only would I be happy with the organization – I’d be proud. But doing this (for the measly amount of money it’s going to generate) really puts a knife in my “fan”.

I apologize for being off topic, We can talk about how great Gordon’s going to be, how good he already is, how’s Kaman coming along, and WHY did Dunleavy keep Novak on the bench for so long, the merits of Randolphs game, the steal in Fred Jones etc…
But as long as we have Dunleavy as a coach and this fool of an owner I can see this scenario repeated over and over.

by eastie Rich on Mar 20, 2009 4:27 PM PDT reply actions  

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