Toronto 100 - Clippers 76
Talk about your train wrecks: the Clipper Express degraded from its woeful Detroit stop and went off the rails in Toronto, and it now heads into Boston tomorrow. That could be really ugly, with the champion Celtics probably remembering all too well their improbable loss at Staples Center. But the Celtics are a good team. The Raptors definitely are not. Except, of course, when they play the Clippers.
This game actually held a lot of attractive items for the many Clipper fans who want to get rid of the coach/GM and blow up the roster. Maybe CS needed to sneak away in order for the devolutionary plan to kick into high gear. Of course MDSr. has the always-handy excuse, as the oft-maligned Al Thornton, who has been playing better since the wacky DTS yelled at him, was out for this game. The long-awaited Camby-Randolph-Kaman mashup looked disfunctional for the second game in a row, providing little in the way of defense and rebounding. Zbo at least got off to a fast start, hitting his first few shots and scoring 10 in the first quarter, but nobody else could make anything. Whatever it is that's making the Clipper attack funky--and in this game, Baron Davis ended his streak of strong statistical performances, and did that rather decisively--something seems very different from the time when Randolph was carrying the Clips at midseason, putting up big numbers and keeping them competitive. It really is hard to say what it is. Perhaps it's ball movement, perhaps it a bit less vigor and energy from Camby, perhaps it's being on the road on a Sunday afternoon at the end of a disastrous season, but whatever it is, on this day the Clippers were a really poor excuse for a basketball team.
There are no good reasons to watch a Clipper game right now. There are still a few semi-decent reasons to watch, aside of course from being a compulsive, self-loathing fan. One of them is to see how Camby, Randolph, and Kaman team up. No, don't count that one. They were terrible and barely mediocre at their very best, and this was one of those games where Zbo seems to get empty stats, although he did keep the Clips competitive for the first 5 minutes. Kaman is cruising along, kind of out of it, not looking very effective coming off the bench. The rebounding numbers are simply horrendous, as the Clips were outrebounded by 20 and got 2 offensive boards. So let's just say that the 3 big men thing hasn't really come together yet.
Reason #2 is rookie Eric Gordon, consistent, mature, statistically solid. Except in this game. Gordon's recent efforts are a pretty good indicator of the funk. Now that he's finally being publicized, teams are quite aware of him, and all of a sudden he's not getting the ball and hardly getting any shots. He can make something out of very little, as he did against Detroit, or he can wait around to go nuts, as he did against the Wizards. Or he can start to force things just a bit, and play one of only two or three poor games this entire season, which is what happened today. And a poor game from Eric Gordon is a pretty good game for a fair number of other guys. He had a couple of nice blocks that were fun to watch, just crushing one jumper by Calderon--so he's within 10 of Kevin Love now, I think. But overall it was a dark, rather depressed effort, and certainly not a reason to watch. If you're looking for reasons to criticize Dunleavy, however, the Clippers inability to get Gordon involved is a pretty good one.
The Steve Novak Experience? Mano a mano against Jason Kapono? Kapono didn't shoot well and didn't need to. Novak chalked up 3 out of 4 from deep in the box score, but two of them came late, helping the Clips clear the 70 point barrier, and overall it was a pretty joyless 75% outing. Other teams are very much aware now of The Steve Novak Experience. The idea is that it's supposed to open up other opportunities, if they're going to overplay somebody who is standing 25 feet away from the basket. But that doesn't seem to be happening.
In the end it was just an ugly tank all around from the Clipper guards, and Baron Davis led the way in the stinkfest. After putting together a string of good games, he seemed both lackadaisical in getting after the ball, and more determined to find his own shot than to help Gordon get good looks. The BD assist machine was turned off, and the theory that he might flourish when playing with superior shooters in Gordon and Novak took a solid hit. Mardy Collins came back nicely, going to the basket rather artfully a few times, but he needs to remember that he's not a scorer and should be looking to kick to Novak. Fred Jones tallied up another non-shooter effort, and Mike Taylor had one nice move and was out of control half a dozen times. It was ugly. Thanks for the ping pong balls.
And let's just conclude the celebration by saying that Dunleavy and his system didn't look too sharp, for the second game in a row.
I just hope that most people were watching the NCAA tournament. Maybe it was the nasty Bruin defeat that soured my stomach for the noxious Clipper flavor of the day, for which I usually have more tolerance.
Thanks a lot CS. But the truth is, after all your hard work, I don't mind taking taking this bullet at all. On to Boston!
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"There are no good reasons to watch a Clipper game right now."
Amen. This whole season, I’ve kind of taken solace in blowout losses by watching Eric Gordon. At the very least, I would like the kid to pad his stats. Obviosly, he had a bad game today, but what is more obvios is the fact that this team has selfish veterans who don’t want to take a back seat to a rookie. Seriously, there are tons of possessions where he doesn’t even get a touch. He’s not going to be much of a factor if he doesn’t even get the ball.
The weird thing about the Clippers play of late, though, is that I kind of want the team to get pounded. Donald Sterling doesn’t operate like a normal owner who would’ve fired Dunleavy months ago, so it would seem to be that the only way Dunleavy is getting out of here before his contract runs out is if the Clippers continue to play this poorly. Doesn’t he have an obligation to fire Dunleavy if this continues? (Actually, I know the answer and it’s no. He’s DTS, but still). It’s pretty clear that the Clippers are headed in the wrong direction quickly, so firing Dunleavy would be a start. Also, then we wouldn’t have to hear his stupid excuses whent the team just flat out stinks.
"If a Clippers fan is reading a newspaper in his living room and the ceiling falls on him, he'll just shrug and move to another room." -Bill Simmons
by WestsideBrandon on Mar 22, 2009 6:22 PM PDT reply actions
good work...
kudos to citizen zhiv or the recap…really good job. I honestly forgot that cs was leaving to were ever he went this time(cs bring us a post card!!), but the whole time I thought the recap was written by cs until the last paragraph. CZ, I think your writing skills are really up to par, maybe you and clipper steve should compete game for game so we could at least get excited about something around here! As for the game it was completely embarrassing. I hope the guys aren’t playing hard because of their record, trying to get more ping-pong’s, or trying to get rid of dunleavy. Dunleavy’s defensive system works and is what championships team are built around but he has no offensive imagination and this team has no idea how to play in his defensive system. My question, do we want to wait around to see if dunleavy developes some offensive creativity? Wait to see if the team can learn his defensive system?? Or should we just get a new coach in here asap and just move him up to gm now? I really am a patient man(hint:I’m a clipper fan), but this is just too much!
It's not like Toronto played well either
"This kid is the best new talent in the league right now, and I don't care who else you mention." -Suns Coach, Alvin Gentry, on Clippers rookie sensation, Eric Gordon.
I was going to say
how uncanny Milphs ability to express the frustration of the fan can be, but you also captured it in this post Zhiv. I have been an ardent supporter of MDSr on this site up until this point, but his inibility to get EJ more involved in the offense is just inexcusable to me. I don’t know what else to say about that.
I was also glad to hear that Zbo was not going to let Jake the Snake off the hook without so much as a word. I would love to really know how that converstion went but I doubt that JV really said, “I have never tried to hurt anyone!” Good on Milph for calling him out on his “hit” on Zbo that cost him and this team and the fans.
So you're saying...
I shouldn’t watch this one on the TiVo when I get back?
Thanks for pinch hitting CZ. I guess I’m not sorry I missed that one.
In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd
Quick Clipper Steve!
Press that delete button for your Tivo! For FSM’s sake man, hurry!
"This kid is the best new talent in the league right now, and I don't care who else you mention." -Suns Coach, Alvin Gentry, on Clippers rookie sensation, Eric Gordon.
We don't need more fodder, Zhiv
This isn’t surprising. However, we don’t necessarily want to blow up the roster.
The crushing Gordon block
Along with Mike Taylor’s awesome DOUBLE CROSSOVER, are uploaded on YouTube by yours truly :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVUzW6XKgik
Sorry, I’m not sure if I’m allowed to post links here, if I’m not, I’ll kindly take it down. I still have the full game recorded on my comp- as always, I take requests for certain plays or highlights that you remember from the game that I didn’t upload. I’ll go back and look for it and post it for you.
"It's over ladies and gentlemen. The Clippers have upset, have shocked, have STUNNED the Boston Celtics!"
-Ralph Lawler
by TheCalmInsanity on Mar 22, 2009 9:09 PM PDT reply actions
Totally allowed...
And I’m glad to hear you take requests. You didn’t happen to do the Voskuhl push from the first game, did you? The Clippers broadcast had some great angles on it, but I never saw it on youtube or in any highlight packages.
In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd
by Steve Perrin on Mar 22, 2009 9:55 PM PDT up reply actions
:(
No man, I wish. I don’t have past games, my laptop crashed REALLY REALLY bad unexpectedly, I had to reformat it 30 times, reinstall a bunch of stuff.. It was still freezing up, so I ended up buying a whole new hard drive off ebay for it. It’s finally working now, so I’m back to my old ways.
But yeah man, feel free! Any plays you like- I know the media doesn’t give us much love (or highlights, in this case) so that’s what I’m here for! I always hated it when I saw a SICK play but couldn’t show any of my friends because no station would show a replay of it…
"It's over ladies and gentlemen. The Clippers have upset, have shocked, have STUNNED the Boston Celtics!"
-Ralph Lawler
by TheCalmInsanity on Mar 22, 2009 10:12 PM PDT up reply actions
Thanks for the post
It’s nice to remember a little something good about the game. I went to the summer league and Taylor was by far the best player (EJ was injured). He’s so quick, and you just can’t say enough about Gordon. He’s oh so close to being able to break the rookie scoring record and the so called experts don’t have on the short list for rookie of the year.
A few things...
I agree that the Clipper bigs experiment is not working out, but frankly, I’m not sure why. The game started out pretty much as well as you would expect. The Raptors refused to double Z-Bo, so Zach hit his first four shots (all jumpers because they didn’t want him to drive past them) and even though nobody else on the team even made a shot, the Clippers were still in it. Then the Raptors decide they should double Z-Bo (probably the right decision) and Zach is pretty much forced to pass the ball as soon as he gets it. Dunleavy realizes this and brings in Kaman for Camby—- a move I agree with at this point. With Zach getting doubled, it should free up Kaman to get the ball at the top of the post and he should be scoring at will. It really should have worked, but it didn’t. I’m not sure why it didn’t work either—- anybody on this board better than I am at breaking down the X’s and O’s can give it a shot.
I don’t really know what the answer is here, but I guess the glass half full side of it is we can see it not working and try to deal 1 or more of the 3 bigs in the offseason. My take on it would be to deal Camby as he probably has the highest trade value. I doubt there are any takers for Randolph and frankly I think he is the best player of the 3 anyway. Kaman has more value to the Clippers than anybody else at this point, so dealing him this offseason would certainly be selling low.
And lastly, I don’t see how Zach was putting up “empty stats” in this game. He did most of his damage when the game was still close. I view empty stats as more of a guy who scores 20 points in the last quarter with their team already down by 50. If anybody on the team did that yesterday it was EJ not Zach.
X's and O's
Kevin over at ClipperBlog did a very nice job of breaking down what went wrong, and it’s based on Zbo’s defense, not the issues on offense. KA seems a tad defensive that he has been tagged unfairly as a Zbo antagonist, after he was quite negative about Randolph’s altercation against Phoenix, and here he writes up a “this is what I was really trying to express” post on Zach’s defense and what it does to the general effectiveness of the team. It seemed like a pretty strong argument to me.
Yes, Zach seemed to have his stroke back and hit a few shots to keep the Clips in the game early on. But they weren’t stopping anybody either—KA has a nice bit on the Clips defensive efficiency when Zbo was in during the first half, versus when he was out—and then the game started to get away and got worse and worse. Zbo seemed to continue doing his thing, although the overall efficiency of the team was way down, and they were struggling to score 20 points in any quarter. That’s what I was trying to express, although it’s not clear and still isn’t. You’re right, they weren’t exactly empty stats, and it wasn’t all about Zach Randolph. But something certainly wasn’t right.
by citizen zhiv on Mar 23, 2009 11:09 AM PDT up reply actions
"breaking down what went wrong, and it’s based on Zbo’s defense, not the issues on offense"
Forgive me, I cannot go to ClipperBlog at work (anything with blog in the title is blocked at my office) and I don’t mean to put you in the position of “defending” KA’s point. Therefore, I am going solely on your previous post. As such, I find it absurd that breaking down, “what went wrong” involves the Clippers (and Zach Randolph in particular) defense. The Clippers scored 76 POINTS! They were completely inept on offense. Of the 76 points, Zach scored 20! So naturally, the loss is Zach’s fault.
And I watched the Clippers game earlier on this season when there was no Zach and Kaman and Camby played together. They weren’t exactly setting the world on fire. Two things happened to change this team for the better. The team traded for Zach Randolph and Eric Gordon started playing every day. On both counts, I feel the positives outweigh the negatives. EJ will have games where he disappears for large stretches and turns the ball over (like yesterday.) Zach will play poor defense. I feel like both players warrant taking the good with the bad.
But say management finds the answer to the problem is to find someone to take Zach off your hands. Considering his salary, you won’t get much in return. And once he’s gone, where does that leave you— with a starting lineup including Kaman and Camby every day. No thanks, I’ve already seen that movie…
by Michael White on Mar 23, 2009 11:52 AM PDT up reply actions
It is truly amazing to me
how much some people love Zbo. And the “sit back and enjoy it” argument is getting old.
I didn’t know I made the “sit back and enjoy it” argument. But yes I am a fan of Zbo. I don’t feel the need to apologize for that. I’m glad it is truly amazing to you.
by Michael White on Mar 23, 2009 12:41 PM PDT up reply actions
Don't you think that the
‘e can’t deal Zbo because “we won’t get much in return”’ argument amounts to the same thing?
Perhaps it does, but that wasn't my intention
I meant: Zach is expensive so nobody will trade for him (because of the economy the free agent bonanza in 2010, blah blah blah.) Separately, I do not want the Clippers to trade him anyway because I think of the 3 he is the best player. To me, Camby would be the odd man out as I have visions of Kaman and Z-BO reenacting Kaman and Brand circa 2006.
My lineup for next year would be BD, EJ, Al, ZBO and Kaman with a lottery pick and depth picked up via the Camby trade. I think that would be a good team. Maybe I’m wrong, I dont know. I like to think there is plenty I can still learn about basketball and I could be 180 off on Randolph. That being said, you correctly point out that I simply am a Randolph fan, and I do like watching him play. I thought the Clippers became a better team when he started playing and selfishly I did enjoy watching the Clippers play more once Randolph started suiting up (particularly before the Voshkul incident.)
So in summation, we can’t trade Z-Bo because we won’t get much in return, but even if we could, I wouldn’t want to…
by Michael White on Mar 23, 2009 1:46 PM PDT up reply actions
I guess what I'm focusing on is why we got into this mess in the first place
Not only is Zbo’s contract expensive, but his reputation is that he’s a locker room cancer. Thus, while we might now be stuck with him, we are not stuck with whoever it was that brought him here.

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