Celtics 90 - Clippers 77
This is the kind of game where Clipper fans, looking to the future, might be able to see some positive signs and feel decent about--except for the fact that the team decisively lost games to weak teams like the Warriors, the banged up Pistons, and the Raptors in the last 6 days, which takes away the advantage of an almost creditable performance against an elite team like the Celtics. Isn't the idea that, with your playoff quality roster finally healthy, you go out and start learning how to win against your lottery compatriots, and then you try to stay on the floor and compete with the big boys? So how do you factor the equation when you file pathetic efforts against your fellow also-rans, and then briefly show that you still have something of a pulse against the Celtics mediocre bench? Regardless of the complexity, it still doesn't amount to much.
I have to say that I had a DVR malfunction of a game that started right around when I like to finish my siesta and take a look around the shop, so I missed seeing Celtic Pride in all its glory and Kevin Garnett making every shot, the Clippers apparently missing a bunch of layups and adding 5 turnovers as a sweetener. It was 24-12 when my machine started working, and it seemed that Milph had already settled in for another installment of the exquisite defeatist stylings of Ralph Lawler, an epic that puts the Mahabharata to shame. It's not just a question of how many losses Ralph Lawler has narrated, but how many of them have been convened when they were meaningless and the Clips were out of contention--it's a number in the hundreds if not the thousands, and this was yet another one of those. Ralph Lawler is classic in every way, and as much as his Milph/MDSr incarnation has a jaunty semi-NBA credibility, you still have to wonder about the psychic cost of maintaining an unflinching gaze out on the Clipper wasteland. Ralph has been out in the desert for a very long time.
And as soon as I started watching there was a little uptick in the Clipper mojo. Garnett was gone, and he was soon followed by Pierce and Allen. The Clips kept it at 10, and then--poof!--The Steve Novak Experience gets a moment of daylight, and the Clips are tied. That's not very exact, and I should probably be more responsible in the absence of CS. What happened is that the Clips got some good play from Kaman and Al Thornton coming off the bench, and Zach Randolph did a good job on the boards and scoring, and a couple of Novak 3s got them back into the game.
If you're looking for positive signs, the Big Three seemed pretty effective. Camby was energized and blocking shots. The Clips did a very nice job on the board, outrebounding the Celtics. That's supposed to be the strength of this roster configuration, and it showed itself just a bit tonight. Zbo looked good, effective and with a nice touch on the offensive end, and grabbing rebounds. He showed some of the effort and effectiveness that made us like him so much when he first joined the team.
So what went wrong? Clipper guards. Baron Davis, at this point, we half-expect to be mediocre or downright bad. He was pretty horrible, and killed a lot of the Clipper momentum at the end of the first half, taking command as the Clips were on the rise and making an impressive series of empty possessions to close out the half.
More disturbing, however, is the continuing slump of Eric Gordon. His stroke was absent once again, and he was forcing things and unable to finish at the rim, and just looked ever so slightly scrub-like. It must be said, since we're all so deeply invested in EJ at this point, that he was a bit of a beast on defense, getting steals and once again blocking shots. Shooting guards really have no business blocking shots, at least not that I can remember, except for guys like Michael Jordan or 2-3s like Kobe Bryant, and certainly not undersized SGs like Gordon. But Gordon had another pair of blocks in this game, and two steals as well--but when we're focusing on Gordon's defensive statistics we're in trouble.
Enter Novak. One thing that MDSr might try to recognize a bit more quickly is that when his rookie scorer isn't hitting, he should try to get his shooting ace off the bench a bit more quickly. Novak did the trick, and the middle 10-12 minutes of the game were quite entertaining if you're a Clipper fan.
After that, not so much. The turning point was when the game was close or tied at 50, and Gordon missed a wide open 3 point look. If he hits it, the Clips are still competing. He misses, and the Celtics score the next 500 points. Eric Gordon has established himself as a focal point of this team, and his subpar play is a big part of the recent losses. It coincides with the fact that he's one of the primary reasons to take an interest in the Clippers right now. He's young, he's a rookie, and he's going to have his struggles, especially on a struggling team. That's just the way it is.
Camby-Randolph-Kaman was better, and they still have another gear or two that they can go to. Zbo, as mentioned, was much sharper, and his 17 and 14 was well-earned. Thornton came back in good form in limited minutes and coming off the bench, although the Clips lost solid utility man Mardy Collins to another dreaded arch tear/tweak. Kaman played a mid-range game, making a nice play or two in the 2nd quarter upswing, making a bonehead play or two in the 3rd quarter collapse.
The Celtics blew out the Clips in the 2nd part of the 3rd and well into the 4th. The Clips actually stemmed the tide and could have kept it closer in the last 5 minutes, but they continued to stumble. Again, there were a lot of positive signs from the Clips if you were looking to salvage a quality loss against one of the best teams in the league. But a team like that would need to beat the inferior teams and show some consistent strength to deserve any credit in a loss like this. So it's the same old same old, and Ralph Lawler continues his sandblasted wanderings.
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It's not easy
but you did a great job subbing for CS…I like your RL comments…poor guy…I hope he someday gets the recognition he deserves…so much for my win prediction…
"Duck, Crab. Crab, Duck"
Roger Sterling - Mad Men
Best line of the night by Ralph
“Glen Davis can be as good as John "Hot Plate” Williams". Best Nickname ever!!
Nice, Zhiv...
Appropriately Zhivian, more stream-of-consciousness, less bullet-pointy than CS. Ralph wandering the wasteland in a tattered suit, rambling semi-idiotically, chuckling to himself… it’s a picture of a certain kind of dementia I guess we’ve all acquired. Ralph is us. We are he.
I think we lead the league
in both shot clock violations and/or shots thrown (more like lobbed with a prayer) in the 3 seconds or less mark.
"This kid is the best new talent in the league right now, and I don't care who else you mention." -Suns Coach, Alvin Gentry, on Clippers rookie sensation, Eric Gordon.
One good thing comes from this loss
we are one step closer in our quest to the bottom. All aboard the lottery express!
lol
so once this season ends does clipsnation become clippers draft central. IDK I joined during the Baron Felton fiasco.
by bestclipfan on Mar 24, 2009 10:33 AM PDT up reply actions
Ralph deserves better than this.
I just want to talk to him for five minutes to understand how he has coped with this for so long. Obviously, being an announcer is a great gig, but I would’ve burned out if I were in his position for as long as he has been around. I get sick of watching this after two quarters; he’s got to stick around for the whole season.
This team is just awful. Unfortunately, it looks like EJ has hit the rookie wall, though it was to be expected. That’s the least of our worries right now. This team needs so much right now, and Baron, Zach and the other selfish vets aren’t providing it. I’m sick of having to be happy with losses where the Clips don’t look horrendous. A loss is a loss.
"If a Clippers fan is reading a newspaper in his living room and the ceiling falls on him, he'll just shrug and move to another room." -Bill Simmons
by WestsideBrandon on Mar 24, 2009 4:04 PM PDT reply actions
"I just want to talk to him for five minutes to understand how he has coped with this for so long."
I would guess the money helps.
EJ hitting the rookie wall is not the least of our worries. It may be expected but it shouldn’t be dismissed as a non-event. Zhiv points out (correctly in my opinion) that the turning point in the game was Eric Gordon missing a wide open 3 pointer. Your posts seem to suggest that Gordon’s recent woes are the fault of others, either the coach or his teammates for not getting him the ball. Suggesting his poor scoring output in recent days is because of others overlooks that a) he has shot rather poorly in this slump and b) he has turned the ball over quite a bit in this slump he’s currently in.
And people have given me a hard time for being a Zach apologist, but in watching the game last night, what exactly are you expecting from Zach that he didn’t give you? And in the sentence after you call out the “selfish vets” you say that losses are losses—- care to tell me what the record has been with Zach Randolph playing as opposed to without him?
by Michael White on Mar 24, 2009 4:20 PM PDT up reply actions
In answer to your query about ZBo, please see the following quote from KA:
Before reading it, however, please note that your question is a bit misleading – you ask what we expected that he didn’t give us. I don’t expect that he would provide any defense, so maybe one could say that he’s delivering based on expectations. However, since you probably didn’t mean to say that, read on:
“Here’s a little nuance that shows you why the Celtics are so good and the Clippers are so lousy. Once Rondo takes the left dribble lane, Eddie House clears out and dashes to the perimeter. On first blush, it doesn’t look like anything more than incidental motion on the court, but House’s cut denies Fred Jones the opportunity to help on Rondo. So who’s the help for the Clippers? Zach Randolph, whose man, Glen Davis, is now out of the play. Zach doesn’t follow Davis to the perimeter [nor should he with the ball in Rondo’s hands on the other side of the floor], but he never reacts to Rondo either. He doesn’t move.”
“At the risk of beating this to death, just think about the following: Go through the catalog of starting NBA PFs, and imagine how each reacts to this help scenario: Glen Davis [the PF’s man] out of the play, with Rajon Rondo en route to the basket. Even Amare Stoudemire feigns interest once in a while, doesn’t he?”
That, in a nutshell, is the problem with our new $17 million man.
And with respect to your question about records – it’s not just about W-L. This team should win alot of games. Yes it wins more with Zbo than without him, but the bar is exceedingly low, and the upside is equally low. I don’t hate Zbo, I just don’t understand why we mortgaged whatever future we had to get him. Oh yeah, we can’t sign any good free agents because no one wants to play for MDSr (except BD who thought EB was coming back at the time he signed).
Hopefully, we’ll rectify that little problem soon . . .
Ya I saw that play last night too
It was pretty stunning in real time actually, Z-Bo just froze….
I think we’re just goint to have to agree to disagree on Z-Bo. I agree his defense is rather poor but I thought he played exceptionally well last night, both scoring and rebounding.
Thanks for calling me out on the W-L, thing. Immediately after I posted it, I thought it was pretty lame. Cheers.
by Michael White on Mar 24, 2009 5:05 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, my points are pretty similar to what Jax said.
With Z-Bo, the team’s record is just less bad. He’s been a pretty good addition for us, but I don’t like that the Clips are tied to him through 2011. Also, I didn’t put all of the blame for EJ’s slump on others. Obviously, he needs to make open shots, but we just have come to expect a lot out of him. We weren’t expecting this out of him at the beginning of the season. However, we were expecting Baron to bring it.
"If a Clippers fan is reading a newspaper in his living room and the ceiling falls on him, he'll just shrug and move to another room." -Bill Simmons
by WestsideBrandon on Mar 25, 2009 3:47 PM PDT up reply actions
The Three Bigs
Camby-Zbo-Kaman is an intriguing talent pool, but it seems right now like it’s an incredibly complex equation to try to maximize their skills.
KA has been more acute lately in highlighting the general weakness in Zbo’s defense, probably to provide evidence for the strong negative statements that he made after the Phoenix fight. The trick with Zbo is to figure how how he was seemingly so effective during the strong stretch of games before the Voskuhl shove. Was it just that he was shooting great, and Camby was hustling and playing well too, covering for some of Zbo’s defensive lapses? How, then, do you add Kaman to that mix?
I don’t know, but the experiment of playing them together seems to be in the most rudimentary stage, and time is running out.
At this point it seems like the plan is to make Zbo the primary option (along with Gordon and Thornton, orchestrated by BD), backed up by Camby. That leaves Kaman, still out of shape and inconsistently effective, anchoring the 2nd team. Kaman then plays a stretch with Zbo, before Camby comes back. And Kaman looks to be shopped in earnest during the offseason. We’ve heard those rumblings, and the last few games haven’t suggested anything to dispel them. Camby also has trade and expiring contract value, making his status quite precarious. If Kaman and Camby both go, that would leave Zbo on his own for a couple of years, although other players would be added with the departures of Kaman and Camby. Zbo seems to be the one guy who isn’t going anywhere any time soon.
Zbo seems better to me as a complementary player, a go-to scorer with all of the defensive limitations we’re aware of. It makes sense to base the trio on the most complete player, and that would seem to be Kaman. He can post-up, hit shots, and defend. When you want to add defense and rebounding, he plays with Camby. When you want scoring and rebounding, it’s Zbo. When Kaman is tired or ineffective, you have Camby and Randolph going.
The problem with making Kaman the key player is that he’s, well, Chris Kaman. Add in the fact that his extremely slow return to the lineup seems to have soured his long bromance with Kim Hughes and MDSr, and the seeming strong inclination to deal him away, and it’s very hard to say what the Clippers direction might be.
Kaman played 18 minutes last night I think.
I hated the Zbo deal at first, then I was impressed by him, and now it seems to be getting ugly again. As a guy who is a scoring machine and keeps the ball moving, what we saw in that stretch of great games, his production, effectiveness, and consistency seem like they would be worth his hefty salary and stand in as well as any free agent the Clips might have attracted. But as the main guy, as the key big man on the roster, he becomes much more problematic.
Z-BO
is a ball hog. He doesn’t know when to stop shooting and pass the ball. He always needs to get his. He aint no Kobe. All he does is build up stats. He doesn’t defend, and he even gets lazy rebounding. All he wants to do is shoot.. I think he’s the worst defender I’ve ever seen and for a big man, he definitely is. He can’t even set up a proper screen.
Let’s blow this team up: Start with BD, then Kaman and Randolph. That’s more than 50% of our cap right there. Let’s actually rebuild this time and not just add veteran presence that are just dogging while playing for this team. Our team just have too many players with huge egos and they’re not even superstars. I’m sure BD thinks he is but he’s not. Even with his best years with GS, he’s not, he’s just a star. And now with the Clippers, he’d passed supernova and now has become a polarizing blackhole.
EJ along with Thornton, Taylor and DeAndre would be a good start. Not a very good team by means of getting wins but would be a hella fun team to watch.
Let’s become the next Blazers and actually rebuild. Rebuild the roster and rebuild the damn front office. I don’t think any team has rebuild their entire team, and even their front office, but we should do it now this offseason so we can look forward to something next year. Who knows, maybe we can be a 30 win team for a change.
"This kid is the best new talent in the league right now, and I don't care who else you mention." -Suns Coach, Alvin Gentry, on Clippers rookie sensation, Eric Gordon.
sorry a lot of typos
I meant “including the front office”
"This kid is the best new talent in the league right now, and I don't care who else you mention." -Suns Coach, Alvin Gentry, on Clippers rookie sensation, Eric Gordon.
Michigan Clipper fan
What a year. It has been difficult watching Davis and Camby play with no heart. It is equally frustrating knowing that Dumbleavy will be with us for at least two more painful years (who made the decision to pay him a top-5 coaches salary?). I enjoy watching Gordon and Thorton, and even Kaman when healthy. Steve “Sniper” Novak is fun to watch as well. Too many problems to post here; we need a MAJOR overhaul, and being held hostage by Dumbleavy’s contract will not help. Go Clippers.
You've got that right...
I just tried posting the issues with the team and there’s just too many to list. The young guys are great. How about Steve “super nova” Novak?

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