What Can A Coach Control
TZ on Oliver on what coaches appear to be able to control and not control on offense and defense.
Seems obvious, but some still appear to believe in magic. The players define the success. Still, if the Clippers can get Pop or Sloan (they can't), then they should.
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Two points
First, if the coach is meaningless, MDSr should be fired because it doesn’t matter to John R and it matters to the rest of us. John R would have to agree with that.
Second, the proper question here is what can a coach who has also been the GM for seven years control.
Other than that, there’s no need to wast time with this thread.
LOL
Fail logic.
I hope one day you are fired just because someone wants you fired.
Get me BD and 75 and I'm in
He's making $5 M a year and would get to keep all that money
Why do you feel sorry for the guy? That’s what your strident defense of MDSr comes down to, doesn’t it.
And no, it’s not just because someone wants him fired. There are myriad reasons.
hmmm.
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. If coaches aren’t all that important, then why have one? I’ll do the job for 10 bucks an hour and a hot dog. So are you in favor of my dog and I running the ship for a while?
Oh me, oh my!!!! The Red Baron has come home!!
I e-mailed my rep and told him I'd coach for 10k per win.
He never replied though.
by eastie Rich on Mar 26, 2009 10:45 AM PDT up reply actions
Maybe that's too much given that as John R says coaches have no value and add nothing
What’s funny about this is that John R used to argue that players are interchangeable widgets as well. Meaning that to him, talent didn’t matter either. That was in furtherance of his argument at the time that it didn’t matter whether the Clippers play Corey Maggette or Q Ross.
Thus, John R really believes that neither coaches nor players have any value. Which is why much of what he says is nonsensical. That is if you believe that players and coaches do bring something to the table.
It's a great question...
Ziller’s analysis of Oliver focuses on whether coaches can have a positive impact – and as we saw with a similar analysis from Berri and the WoW journal earlier this year, only a very, very small number of (spoken for) coaches appear to be able to do that. And I actually agree with that.
But there’s another question. Can a coach have a negative impact? It’s difficult/impossible to quantify, but we hear talk of coaches losing teams, or players tuning coaches out. At this point, it seems to be that a run of the mill, none hall of fame, not Sloan or Pop or PJ coach, would be a major improvement, if only because the players might decide to try. They might not, but they might.
In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd
Right but John R's implicit (or explicit) point is that we shouldn't fire MDSr because
(1) he has no impact; and (2) it wouldn’t be nice to fire him.
His point...
And it’s Mark Heisler’s point as well, and it’s worth considering, is that stability is worth something. Meanwhile, the vast majority of coaches are indistinguishable. Very, very, very few actually help teams win more games. So why make a change?
The counter argument is that while it may be true that few coaches can help win games, the relationship between the coach and the players on this team appears to be LOSING games.
In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd
by Steve Perrin on Mar 26, 2009 9:49 AM PDT up reply actions
Right
Seriously, I think we’d have won more games if this team didn’t have a coach.
"This kid is the best new talent in the league right now, and I don't care who else you mention." -Suns Coach, Alvin Gentry, on Clippers rookie sensation, Eric Gordon.
by cliptakular on Mar 26, 2009 10:12 AM PDT up reply actions
Sorry, but I don't believe that stability is John R's point
If coaches don’t matter, as he says, then they don’t bring stability. That’s not Heisler’s point at all.
Obviously relationships matter. Players judge coaches’ abilities as well.
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