Step Away From the Ledge, Clips Nation
Isiah is apparently not getting hired by the Clippers any time soon.
With rumors flying all around, Lisa Dillman of the LA Times, despite the paper not paying for her to actually travel with the team she covers, got on the phone and asked the questions that we can't.
Turns out, it wasn't so much the Clippers having an interest in Isiah Thomas - it was Isiah Thomas having an interest in the Clippers.
Thomas is doing what he can to try to get back into the game, and with his daughter set to attend Loyola Marymount, he offered to work for the Clippers without getting paid because he is still receiving money from the Knicks, Dunleavy said.
The Clippers were sympathetic to Thomas' overtures.
"Isiah came to us," Dunleavy said in a telephone interview Thursday morning. "I wasn't going to be a jerk and say, 'I can't talk to you.' But there's no position in the organization for him."
She goes through some of the other rumors as well, like Ronnie Lester and Jerry West. But those season ticket holders who were adamant with club president Andy Roeser that MDsr should be fired won't be happy with this Roeser quote:
This whole thing is completely blown out of proportion. Mike's our GM, and Mike's our coach. Our basketball staff is working well together and we're not looking to make any changes.
Of course it wouldn't be the first time that a team executive obfuscated with a reporter, but that's quite a statement. "We're not looking to make any changes." Um, why not? You've got 18 wins. If I were you, I'd be looking to make some changes.
Still, Randy Pfund, Jerry West, Ronnie Lester, Isiah Thomas. Where there's smoke, there's usually fire. They may not have the nerve to pull the trigger (and watch MDsr collect another $11M without working for them), but they're looking around.
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Thank God
Maybe he can offer his services to the Lakers:XD
by YungBolo on Mar 27, 2009 12:40 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Huh...
I don’t know how to feel about this anymore. We don’t get Isiah (which is good obviously) yet the Clippers are still not looking to move Dunleavy?
So, this is both good and a bad news. Could we just get the one good side for a change?
"This kid is the best new talent in the league right now, and I don't care who else you mention." -Suns Coach, Alvin Gentry, on Clippers rookie sensation, Eric Gordon.
by cliptakular on Mar 27, 2009 4:56 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't buy the no changes story
They may not make changes, because they’re still pretty cheap and dysfunctional. But the story that they’re not looking doesn’t ring true.
In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd
by Steve Perrin on Mar 27, 2009 9:32 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wtf?
“Mike’s our GM, and Mike’s our coach. Our basketball staff is working well together and we’re not looking to make any changes.”
I feel like punching somebody.
"This kid is the best new talent in the league right now, and I don't care who else you mention." -Suns Coach, Alvin Gentry, on Clippers rookie sensation, Eric Gordon.
by cliptakular on Mar 27, 2009 5:00 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Internal Conflict
I guess Mike loves himself.
FA in 2010.
by ClipperChuck on Mar 27, 2009 10:04 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm at a loss
Some of the vitriol being spewed on this board about Isiah Thomas is mind-boggling.
Here are a few things to keep in mind:
1. Isiah is actually a very good judge of young talent. One thing people cannot knock him on are his draft selections. Remember, had the Knicks not overruled him, Eric Gordon would be in blue and orange. As a Clipper fan, anything to assist in draft selections is a monumental help.
2. Want to keep Eric Gordon beyond his rookie contract? Yeah, me too. Isiah’s players have always been tremendously loyal to him. Don’t forget that Isiah and Gordon are both Indiana guys. Isiah was at the Pacers when Gordon was growing up in Indy.
Why spew such negativity on a guy that could offer some help in the player relations and drafting department for FREE? Aren’t these two areas where the Clips suffer?
by LaHoosier on Mar 27, 2009 8:00 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
No one's got to that point... and now it's too late
You are right – the idea has merit when you get past the emotions of ’It’s friggin’ Isiah Thomas!’
The guy is a draft savant. In fact, one of the most amazing things to me has always been that he could spot draft talent so well, but he couldn’t see that Steve Francis or Eddy Curry or Jerome James (to name just a few) weren’t worth anywhere close to the money they were being paid. It’s as if his talent evaluation prowess is binary – player A talent greater than player B talent works great in the draft. But at some point you have to start putting price tags on things. And the irony of trading away draft picks – when drafting is the one thing you do really well – well, that’s just so funny.
The point would now appear to be moot, but the other thing that occurred to me is that Isiah may or may not have been a terrible GM in a vacuum – though we know he was terrible in combination with James Dolan’s money. The simple fact of the matter is that about 27 GMs in the league would not have the option of doing what Isiah did in New York (Dallas and Portland being the other places it could possibly happen). For about 27 NBA teams, even if they stray over the luxury tax line for a season or two, it’s always understood that it’s a temporary situation. (We’ll see what happens with the Lakers and Odom this summer, but I’m guess they let him walk.) The worst decisions Thomas made all had to do with the Knicks long term cap. He would never have been allowed to do those things with the Clippers. Any parent will tell you that kids needs some boundaries to help them make good decisions.
Would Isiah Thomas suddenly become a great GM with a different owner? Probably not. But it’s clear he couldn’t be as bad as he was in New York with Dolan.
He was a great college basketball player, I’ll grant you that. But Joe Dumars carried him in the Pistons backcourt for years. ;)
Go Hoosiers!
In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd
by Steve Perrin on Mar 27, 2009 9:58 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bad Move Dumbleavy
A hall of famer is willing to work with your team for free, if anything he would offer a winning perspective to a team which has never had success. Imagine the confidence he could offer “..back when I played against Jordan”, “…Winning my two championships”.
Instead, our team gets to hear “Back when I was drafted in 1976 in the 6th round I knew I was meant for mediocracy”, “sure I have never won a title but I will get us there some how”
And he is willing to do anything, Lame.
Zeke is a hall of famer, why not try him out for free?
How could Scrooge McDuck walk away from that, did he hear it was free?
by sqrebck on Mar 27, 2009 8:29 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Huh
So it really had little to do with Dunleavy and there was a perfectly reasonable explanation.
How about that?
Get me BD and 75 and I'm in
by John R on Mar 27, 2009 8:33 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
We'll see. My feelers are out there
The whole thing seems very Clipperesque. And Roeser’s comment is silly.
by Jax on Mar 27, 2009 10:06 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
Roeser’s comment means nothing.
It does feel like the Thomas incident is nothing and that Sheridan’s story was a misrepresentation. West has pretty clearly said no. Pfund and Lester are still out there, and who knows who else they’re talking to.
In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd
by Steve Perrin on Mar 27, 2009 10:09 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't mean about the comment from Roeser
I mean about the decision to bring in Thomas originating from MDSr.
MDSr wouldn’t seem to need to be defended from the decision since its Thomas stalking around and contacting everyone.
Which is why I never defended him and only tried to come up with plausible reasons why it could have come up. The little Thomas attending LMU a mere 3 possessions away from the practice facility is one I missed.
Get me BD and 75 and I'm in
by John R on Mar 27, 2009 10:26 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I understand you want to exonerate him, but
We don’t know what really happened.
And your suggested alternative (to aid in the defense of the Baylor lawsuit) appears to have nothing to do with it. I doubt MDSr is helping in the actual job search, and the Zeke angle may have been an attempt by him to short circuit the team’s search. But that’s just speculation at this point.
Have patience, young padawan. It will all come out in the wash.
by Jax on Mar 27, 2009 10:33 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mixed metaphor
Do Jedi’s even do laundry?
In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd
by Steve Perrin on Mar 27, 2009 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You aren't even making sense
Try responding to what I said.
Yes, I didn’t know the exact reason, but I said as much. But I was right that there was a reasonable explanation and it had nothing to do with MDSR. And you won’t admit that, despite your claims to being an insider, you were completely wrong.
Which means you are either a liar, and the kind of liar who will lie about trivial things or for self-glorification, or you aren’t really an insider. I don’t really care which is true.
Get me BD and 75 and I'm in
by John R on Mar 27, 2009 3:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know why I bother responding to this stuff from the bleachers, but
I’m not an insider and never claimed to be. I never said that I knew anything about this. you came up with ridiculous suggestions that were proven wrong.
And we still don’t know what happened.
Stop. Wasting. My. Time.
by Jax on Mar 27, 2009 10:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The whole Dillman article...
is worth a gander. She sheds a little more light on the Sterling tirade (that there was a second meeting that same night between Al, the coach, and DTS) and incidentals about the who, how, and why of Clipper management situation.
But there’s something more important revealed here: without the steady hand of traditional journalists in the locker room, the information we’re getting is hearsay at best. Without a Lisa Dillman, reporter for the LA Times, in the locker room and on the bus… we’re missing a lot. A really lot.
How will that be replaced? Because I don’t think it’s coming back anytime soon.
by swamigusto on Mar 27, 2009 8:40 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree
Look at Sheridan’s ESPN piece that got the Isiah storm brewing.
Sterling met with Isiah. Dunleavy set up the meeting. Those are the facts that were reported. Everything else was inference.
The story from the Clippers side makes both of those sound like half truths at best. Sterling and Isiah ran into each other. Isiah approached Dunleavy.
But Sheridan is New York based, and of course he’s getting the story from Isiah’s side. Isiah’s people aren’t going to say “yeah, he offered his free services but they said no.” They just want it known that he’d like a meaningful job in an NBA organization.
Bear in mind – Dunleavy and Roeser may be spinning the story to Dillman as much as much as Thomas’ people are spinning it to Sheridan. But then there’s the sniff test. It never made a lot of sense – not even for the Clippers.
(Although, given the desire to do something on the cheap, getting Thomas on New York’s dime might have some appeal.)
In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd
by Steve Perrin on Mar 27, 2009 9:40 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would disagree due to the character issues
The team needs to be rebuilt from the ground up. They do not need a sideshow.
by Jax on Mar 27, 2009 10:08 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry... I was misleading
Might have some appeal to a traditionally cheap Clippers organization. Absolutely no appeal to me.
Some NBA team somewhere might get past their Zeke baggage and hire him and create a great spot for him as a draft guru. But it wouldn’t be my NBA team (if I had an NBA team).
In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd
by Steve Perrin on Mar 27, 2009 10:11 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hmm...
Not sure anyone can work for one NBA team while he’s being paid by another, free or not. Why would the Knicks or the league would allow it? I guess the issue is moot, at least for the moment.
Pursuing the other point for a moment: the decline of the beat writer. Are there functioning examples of “beat writers” who write for anything other than print media? What I’m getting at is when, if ever, will Clipper Steve, or KA or anyone else be treated with press credentials, access, even a seat on the team plane? I mean sooner or later, doesn’t that have to happen?
by swamigusto on Mar 27, 2009 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
short answer is...
It will happen eventually. Beat writers pretty much work for print currently. But it will change. And the Clippers are a great test case. We’ll see.
In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd
by Steve Perrin on Mar 27, 2009 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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