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Owners Gone Wild - Sterling and Cuban Go Off on Their Teams

On Monday March 2nd, the NBA scoreboard included these two results:

The Mavericks are clinging to the eighth seed in the Western Conference (and within 2 games of home court advantage in the first round, it should be noted) while the Clippers are within 2 games of the worst record in the NBA.  The Mavs lost to a team with 14 wins at the time.  The win over the Clippers was San Antonio's 40th. 

Despite the difference in station and opponent, the owners of the respective losing teams picked that moment to get angry at their teams.  Although their methods were different, the overall message was almost identical, according to reports.

Owner Donald Sterling, frustrated by what he perceived as a lack of effort, went on a tirade in the locker room afterward.  According to team sources, Sterling offered a blanket denunciation of the players and strongly backed Coach and General Manager Mike Dunleavy. The owner said he would be willing to trade all the players and said he was putting their future in Dunleavy's hands.

If each player can't take the personal initiative to make every game important and play like it, I don't see them being here next season. The ball won't always bounce the way we want it to, but every player can control their level of effort. If it's not important enough to them to lay it out every game the rest of the season, they won't be back. I don't care what their contract is. I would rather turn over the roster 100 percent than subject fans to another game like last night.

Shape up, or ship out.  I will trade every one of you, you will not be back, if you don't make a better effort.  These are reasonable expectations from a team owner, and certainly these are two underachieving teams.

But that's where the similarities end. 

Let me make it clear up front that I am not a huge fan of Mark Cuban.  He's passionate and engaged, and he is willing to spend his money to make his team better, and those are good things.  But his antics wear thin for me (like actually talking on court trash to a player), and I find him arrogant in the extreme.  However, he is infinitely superior as an owner to Donald Sterling.  Sterling has all of the arrogance, with none of the positives. 

Cuban is a constant, active presence around the Mavericks.  He has a relationship with the players, he is incredibly visible to the fans, he is transaparent - if anything, too transparent.  He blogs for FSM's sake.  As such, it's not unusual that he spoke about the team after a loss, only that he passionately conveyed his disappointment. 

Sterling is also a presence.  A dark specter, a sepulchral cloud that hangs over the franchise.  He is rarely interviewed, and is perceived to take little or no interest in the team beyond the money it costs him.  60 games in, he has yet to be quoted discussing the Clippers this season.  He answered a couple of questions regarding the Elgin Baylor lawsuit in February, and that's the sum total of what we've heard from Donald Sterling this season.  Until now.  (Don't get me started on what we heard from him last year.)

It's also worth noting the difference in the way these messages were conveyed.  Mark Cuban sat down with the Dallas basketball reporters and gave them direct quotes.  Donald Sterling showed up in the locker room (the first time that has happened in six seasons, according to MDsr) and went on a "profanity-laced tirade" according to one account.  I suppose you could make an argument that behind closed doors was the better way to proceed as opposed to calling out the team in the press.  But that ignores the reality and the history of the situations.  Cuban is well known to his players and interacts with them frequently.  For all we know, he said all of this to the players in the Ford Center after the game and the players had enough respect for him to keep it to themselves.  But he was willing to go on record as well, and he has earned that right as an involved owner.  

To the Clippers, Sterling is just the guy who signs the checks.  Given the turnover on this roster, it's entirely possible that the first time some of these players heard Donald Sterling's voice was as he was dropping F-bombs on them.  Think Alex Acker or Fred Jones have had lunch with the boss?  If I've established a rapport with you, and then I justifiably criticize you, it may motivate you to improve.  If I've completely ignored you for six months and then I show up and yell and scream, it will have the opposite effect.  As a team source said, "After that the guys don't even want to play for him."  What a surprise.

In Cuban's case, sitting down and talking to reporters was a calculated tactic to try to get his team's attention.  He wants their effort to improve, and he's sincere when he says that they won't be back if it doesn't.  He's willing to back that up.

In Sterling's case, he got pissed off and became hysterical.  I suppose it's an improvement over complete apathy.  But is he even willing to do something about it other than berate the players he has until now been ignoring?  Would he buy out Baron Davis, and pay him $50M to go play somewhere else?  Are you kidding?  Want to send a message that you're serious Mr. Sterling?  Waive Ricky Davis today.  He has a player option for one more season which he is certain to exercise, but he clearly doesn't figure into any sort of long term plans, not to mention that he's been completely terrible.  Waive him.  Why not?  Back up the message that jobs are not safe.  What do you have to lose?  He's only due to make $2.5M next season, so what do you have to l... - oh, yeah, that's right.  You have $2.5M to lose.  Not that the dude is helping the team - but you're not going to leave money on the table.

(By the way, waiving Ricky would actually be a bad idea.  The right plan would be to hang onto him in case his contract can be useful in a trade.  But you get my point.)

Of course with guaranteed contracts, Sterling has zero leverage here.  In fact, he has likely slit his own throat with his behavior.  "Let me get this straight.  If I don't give more effort, you'll trade me to another team and you won't be my owner any more?  Really?  Sweet.  Just so I know, exactly what types of behavior would you interpret as not exhibiting effort, so I can be sure to hit them all.  How about if I go back to the locker room after one quarter with a 'migraine?  How about if I let the opposing team's power forward run three fourths of the court by himself for a dunk after a jump ball?  How about if I leave a red hot shooter wide open - twice?  Would any of those things punch my ticket?  Because I'll do whatever it takes Mr. Sterling!"

The timing of the outburst makes sense, coming as it did shortly after a tense meeting between club president Andy Roeser and long time season ticket holders.  It's worth noting that Cuban has in the past praised Sterling's ownership approach - he's always been willing to take a hard line on cost control, even at the expense of winning games, and his teams have been profitable for many years because of that.  In the current economic climate, when the NBA recently secured up to $200M in financing, Sterling's Clippers are not among the dozen of so franchises in need of cash.  Unlike many NBA owners who are leveraged to the hilt and facing major cash flow issues, Sterling and the Clippers have absolutely zero debt.  None.  BUT, whereas season ticket sales were down some last summer, and overall attendance has dropped 7%, the real bad news has yet to arrive.  Season ticket renewals last season occurred before the worst of the economic news - not to mention that the addition of Baron Davis and Marcus Camby seemed to partially mitigate the loss of Elton Brand and Corey Maggette.  The combination of another dismal season, little or no reason to expect improvement (the "someday we'll be healthy" sales pitch is getting threadbare) and a deep, deep recession no doubt presage a renewals disaster.

But if the timing is logical, the few details of the tirade that have been made public certainly are not.  The accounts of the Roeser meeting had the season ticket holders absolutely begging the club president to fire Dunleavy.  So Sterling goes into the locker room and backs the coach/GM 100%?  That seems weird.  Then again, in one account of Sterling's tirade he told Dunleavy to "Shut up" when he tried to interject on Al Thornton's behalf.  So it sounds to me like Sterling was completely out of control, and I wouldn't expect him to abide by (or even remember) any of the specifics of what he said.  Too bad none of the players had their iPhones rolling - I'd love to see that YouTube.

The upshot of all of this is that Donald Sterling has once again solidified his position as the worst owner in pro sports.  Some old rivals for the title have made the mistake of having some success, like when Bill Bidwell's Arizona Cardinals almost won the Super Bowl.  And some new threats have emerged, like Chris Cohen of the Warriors, with his bizarre and misguided threat to void his franchise player's contract.  Whether it was the fact that he felt Cohen nipping at his heels in the bad owner derby, or if he's just that bad and doesn't need any other reason, Sterling is once again the king - and it's not even close.

We try to ignore it and to pretend that the franchise can overcome it.  Rookies and restricted free agents have no choice other than to stay with the Clippers if they want to be paid to play basketball.  Other free agents will take the money if they have no better offers.  And hey, it's LA - the weather is nice, the clubs are cool.  But the simple fact of the matter is that Sterling's well-earned reputation is a massive disadvantage for the franchise.  Obviously, if he's simply not willing to spend money, that's one problem.  Add in the PERCEPTION that he's not willing to spend money and it compounds.  Free agents, given two similar contract offers, will choose any team other than the Clippers on the assumption that somewhere down the line Donald Sterling is likely to screw them.  Actually swearing at the players the one and only time you take an interest in them - that's just the proof-y icing on the bad owner cake.

Let's not pretend that Donald Sterling's ownership didn't play a role in Elton Brand's decision this summer.  (Bear in mind, I don't disagree with Elton's decision to leave the Clippers, but rather with the way he handled it.)  And let's not pretend that guys like Steve Novak and Fred Jones, who have played well on minimum contracts this season and are impending free agents, won't jump at another opportunity - any other opportunity - as long as it is reasonably comparable to a Clippers contract offer.

And then there's the question of morale.  Al Thornton is on a rookie contract.  He is making a fixed amount, predetermined in the collective bargaining agreement for a 14th round draft pick in 2007.  The Clippers have a team option for 10-11, and then he'll be a restricted free agent after that - meaning that if the Clippers want to keep him, all they have to do is match any other team's offer and Al will be contractually obligated to play for the Clippers if he wants to be in the NBA.  He is, for all intents and purposes, a indentured servant (an incredibly well-payed indentured servant, we should all be so lucky) of the LA Clippers.  He's here if the Clippers want him here for many, many years.  It's almost entirely the franchise's decision.  But how is he going to play for this franchise?  If Al respects Donald Sterling, then maybe he wants to improve when Sterling swears at him and calls him "the most selfish basketball player he has ever seen."  But if Al doesn't respect the man, he cashes the checks and starts counting the days until he is out of Clipper jail, a la Ron Harper.  Which do you think is more likely?  And how does Eric Gordon feel, watching that happen?

We sometimes get upset at the overly simplistic "It's the Clippers" approach to the coverage of our (unnaturally, undeservedly) beloved team.  When Sterling is quiet long enough that we can almost forget about what a bad, bad human being he is, we think "Hey, why can't the Clippers succeed some day?"  And then he opens his mouth and we know the answer.  As long as Donald Sterling is the owner, I fear that "It's the Clippers" will be a valid explanation for everything.

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Terrific Post

If there was an impeachment process in the NBA for owners I’d be all over it like white on rice.

FA in 2010.

by ClipperChuck on Mar 5, 2009 12:36 PM PST reply actions  

Let me ask you a question....

Why does he stay? He’s a clever business man so he knows people don’t like him. It doesn’t matter how much he ignores the press, he’s been called out as the worst owner in sports for so many years, he must be aware of it.

I don’t know the business side of the Clippers organisation but I can’t imagine it’s super profitable. Maybe I’m wrong, maybe it is. Frankly, I can’t be bothered to spend time trying to find the details! He must like basketball to attend the games or he’d just stay at home and count his money.

So if he likes basketball and he owns the team, why does he not have the pride to make the hard decisions? Yes, he puts financial decisions first but he didn’t make a very good one when he gave Dunny all that money in his coaching contract did he!

He’s had Elgin as GM with low money, Dunny as coach with lots of money. Both doing a crap job. I don’t understand the loyalty to Dunny apart from the fact that Dunny does show some passion for winning. He just isn’t clever enough to put a plan and team on the floor to do it.

Why not sell up and ship out? I don’t think this franchise will ever properly move forward until he is gone.

Bingo! Oh me oh my!

by ClippersUK on Mar 5, 2009 1:06 PM PST reply actions  

It's a good question

For years he lost money on the franchise on an operational basis. BUT, even as he was losing money each year, the popularity of the sport was exploding, and the value of his franchise with it. I don’t have the numbers at my fingertips, but the value of the Clippers is massive, even if it’s not generating a ton of cash.

So while I feel confident that many if not all of Sterling’s other ventures have higher margins, he doesn’t tend to work that way. He is a buy and hold guy. He owns the franchise, the value continues to go up, he doesn’t plan on selling it.

As for the ‘laughing stock’ argument, you would think he’d want to get out. But he doesn’t seem to. I spoke with a former GM once who told me that Sterling has bought his way into a very exclusive club. The other club members don’t like him, but there’s nothing they can do about it. He’s a member, and he likes being a member, and that’s why he won’t sell.

In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd

by Steve Perrin on Mar 5, 2009 1:32 PM PST up reply actions  

Hmm...

Well, simply enough, DTS payed MDSr. because he had more success than any other Clipper coach who came before. And you can’t separate the question of why he holds onto the franchise and how much money it earns. We did this a couple of weeks ago in another thread, but the simple answer is, that as CS said, the Clippers have no debt, they have a favorable deal on a near state-of-the-art arena, they make a profit in their local media deals and their national slice, they operate under the cap and under the luxury tax, and the overall value of the franchise has increased every year since Sterling bought it and moved it to L.A. He makes a decent yearly profit and he’s made millions over millions by simply holding onto the franchise. (That’s his business. He’s buys buildings in duress and waits out the market until their value inevitably rises. And he’s become more than wealthy because of that strategy.) He might not be a basketball expert but he’s a fan and he likes going to the games… and sitting in the front row. And he WAS without a doubt, for twenty years, the worst owner in all of sports. Undeniable.
Ironically, it’s only in the last five years or so that he’s done any more than the minimum to make the team better. After years of doing things the cheapest way possible, he paid Elton Brand and Corey Maggette. He gave management the green light to hire free agents. He paid the coach the going rate for someone of his stature (whether or not you agree that the money was well spent). He built a desperately needed practice facility. He made a commitment to make the team better.
And it got better for a while.
And now, through a series of unfortunate events the team he finally invested got much worse. He’s doing the same thing we’re all doing, he’s watching a team play with absolutely no heart. I don’t agree with picking on Al Thornton alone (if that’s what happened). But can you really blame him for going in the locker room and raising a little hell?
Did George Steinbrenner scare players away? Does Jerry Jones? They are or were complete buffoons. Was DTS tirade buffoonery? Sounds like it. Do the players care? Not wealthy members of the Dallas Cowboy’s or even wealthier members of the N.Y. Yankees.
I’ve said this before. I’ve lived through both and I’ll take this Donald Sterling over the old Donald Sterling anyday.

by swamigusto on Mar 5, 2009 1:35 PM PST up reply actions  

good points

In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd

by Steve Perrin on Mar 5, 2009 1:37 PM PST up reply actions  

Great points and thanks CS for taking the time to post

As I said below, I believe that DTS is adjusting to the reality that he has to get a new coach and will be paying $10M more to MDSr. He doesnt’ like that. And he lashed out at the players because he’s upset about that.

by Jax on Mar 5, 2009 1:39 PM PST up reply actions  

or...

He doesn’t want to get rid of Mike Dunleavy because it’s too damn expensive… so he throws him his support. Cheaper that way.
BTW, it’s trebly (tripley?, tripally?)…incredibly expensive to fire MDSr. He has to pay him off and he’s got to hire a coach AND a gm. That’s three salaries. Donald’s not doing that.

by swamigusto on Mar 5, 2009 1:50 PM PST up reply actions  

It's a good guess...

Maybe making a last ditch effort to get the players to play for the guy he has to pay regardless.

by ghost_ride on Mar 5, 2009 3:00 PM PST up reply actions  

Great points

CS lays the current debacle out in masterful fashion. And I think Swami hits on a key point, by bringing up the “longterm” history of the Dunleavy epoch. It’s very very hard for DTS to understand and support the idea that he’s hearing from the season ticket holders by way of Roeser, that Dunleavy is a horrible coach and GM. And let’s start off remembering that DTS has never shown much interest in the views of season ticket holders in the past.

DTS went through his tirade mode on Dunleavy last year, and got bad results. Stubborn, fighting Irishman that Dunleavy is, he didn’t back down an inch when DTS chose another remarkably inopportune moment to call him out. So when DTS is feeling pressure that the team is putting an unacceptable and very inferior product out on the court, Dunleavy has him convinced that the players are the problem. Except that he can’t carry around the whole equation in his head. Yes, the team that is available to the coach could be playing harder. But that team isn’t capable of beating the Spurs, not without Randolph, Gordon, and Kaman.

Let’s remember that Dunleavy changed the culture of the Clippers. He seemed to be moving very strongly in the right direction. Things went bad in 06-07 and they’ve been snakebit ever since: Liv’s injury, Brand’s injury. Then came DTS’ tirade against Dunleavy. DTS backed down, and that increased Dunleavy’s power and influence. Dun was active, and there were those few short days when they signed BDavis. Then they got Falked, but Dunleavy stayed active, hustling to bring in a strong roster. He picked up Camby, he filled out the roster in sensible, aggressive ways. But things went south again in the preseason. When things looked ugly, he made the Randolph deal, seemingly replacing the production of FElton (now branded a traitor). All of these moves have made Dunleavy stronger, at least in DTS’ eyes.

So what’s missing? DTS isn’t factoring in a massive injury debacle. (Perhaps it’s caused by his own bad karma—that’s a pretty good theory.) If he wants to call somebody out, perhaps it should be Kaman—is that who Dunleavy was calling out earlier in the season? But perhaps Kaman’s injury is just that, and can’t be helped. The next candidate is Baron Davis. He may be yelling at Thornton, but is he really sending a message to Baron Davis?

But he’s also not factoring the way that Dunleavy’s stubborn approach is alienating the players and it’s a significant factor in them failing to play their best. I’m not a Dunleavy hater and I try not to be a Dunleavy apologist. He can be maddening at times, and I hate the way that he seems to have double standards. He always seems to be taking a “building blocks” approach, starting with defense and working matchups. That approach can be quite effective when you’ve got a healthy roster and you’re competing in the playoffs, when good, disciplined teams are battling against one another. But Dunleavy’s situation for the last three years has been just the opposite. He’s had hobbled, undermanned teams that are missing key parts, and he has never even begun to try to shake things up, even in the most desperate situations, to figure out ways to shake things up and foster creativity and energy. He’s always forced into moves that seem fairly obvious.

One thing that people should think about very carefully, in the call to get rid of Dunleavy, is that things can get much worse on the Clippers. Dunleavy may be holding onto a conservative, wrongheaded approach, but at least there’s a logic to it of sorts and he has DTS’ confidence and the ability to make trades and sign players. We should remember that things can be worse, much worse. Imagine a world where the Clips don’t draft Eric Gordon, where they don’t sign Baron Davis, where they don’t trade for Marcus Camby and Zach Randolph. We can joke about Nick Fazekas and Paul Davis, but they could easily be rotation players on a team with an Alvin Gentry-like coach, a bunch of scrubs struggling to get to 20 wins even before the inevitable devastating injuries. If the Clips get rid of Dunleavy, what makes anybody think that things would get better? And Elgin’s not even around anymore. He wasn’t able to do much, but he did have some understanding of basketball. We have no idea what would happen. We could be looking at a world where the darkest Clipper chapters ever are yet to come.

It’s the Clippers, Jake. Same as it ever was.

by citizen zhiv on Mar 5, 2009 4:23 PM PST up reply actions  

Classic zhiv

Two points

First, DTS is not convinced that MDSr is not at fault. As I understand it, he (and Roeser) think the opposite.

Second, the suggestion that we shouldn’t move MDSr because we don’t know what might happen is silly. The team is 15 and 40 or so. The players have stopped playing for the coach. The offense sucks. The team has no real GM. Things really can’t get much worse. But they can get a hell of a lot better. Don’t be afraid. Let it happen.

Although I’m not into cute slogans to end posts, try this one on for size:

Could that really be the Clippers?

by Jax on Mar 5, 2009 4:33 PM PST up reply actions  

Could things be worse?

I suppose so, but I agree with Jax that it’s a very bad rationale for anything. Actively choosing mediocrity for fear of something worse? And let’s face it, we aspire to mediocrity. So unless someone somewhere believes that MDsr is the answer, keeping him for fear of something worse is not the way to go.

It’s my understanding that Roeser has always been firmly in MDsr’s camp. Are you hearing that that has changed?

In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd

by Steve Perrin on Mar 5, 2009 4:43 PM PST up reply actions  

Great Chinatown reference...

This is without question the most balanced, thoughtful post on this thread.

Thanks for being the voice of reason.

"Not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted" – Albert Einstein

by Another son of Mike Smith on Mar 5, 2009 4:34 PM PST up reply actions  

In case there is any ambiguity...

I meant Zhiv’s post. Not Jax’s

"Not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted" – Albert Einstein

by Another son of Mike Smith on Mar 5, 2009 4:35 PM PST up reply actions  

LOL

In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd

by Steve Perrin on Mar 5, 2009 4:40 PM PST up reply actions  

Jax' assertions

1. DTS and Roeser think that Dunleavy is at fault. That’s probably true—especially after Roeser gets an earful from season ticket holders. But after last season’s debacle (just like this season’s! only different!), DTS is in a weak position with Dunleavy, and is giving him all the rope he needs to hang himself. Is that right, along your line of thought?

2. If there’s one thing we’ve learned around here, it’s that things can always get worse. 15 and 45 may seem pretty bad, but that’s with all sorts of excuses. Bad, by Clipper standards, is being at 15 wins at this point in the season with a healthy roster. And I’m serious—imagine this team with Camby and Randolph, without Kaman, without Baron Davis, without Eric Gordon. Dunleavy at least has a basic NBA standard. DTS doesn’t. And he doesn’t when it comes to GMs and coaches. If #1 is true, he’s going to feel like he got burned by overpaying for Dunleavy. He’s going to go after a sub-competent GM and coach, guys who’s prime qualification is that they’re below market value. The target gets smaller.

Dunleavy’s offseason moves were encouraging. This particular roster and team is frustrating because 1) they have never been healthy and 2) they seem on paper like they should be better than they are on the court.

My own view for the future is that Dunleavy plays out the season and tries to see if the team is decent when Kaman is back and everybody is healthy. If things don’t come together (and they won’t), he goes out and hires a new coach in the offseason.

by citizen zhiv on Mar 5, 2009 4:54 PM PST up reply actions  

Huh?

“Dunleavy’s offseason moves were encouraging”

His offseason moves made me get a refund for my season tickets.

Like I believed for a second, he was going to run with Barron Davis.

by FireDunleavy.com on Mar 5, 2009 5:02 PM PST up reply actions  

"His offseason moves made me get a refund for my season tickets."

That’s more of a comment on you than on Dunleavy. Acquiring Camby and Fit Baron Davis were great moves.

Unfortunately Fit Baron Davis didn’t make it through the summer.

Get me BD and 75 and I'm in

by John R on Mar 5, 2009 5:11 PM PST up reply actions  

They were encouraging in every way...

You got a refund after they failed to sign Elton Brand? Or after they signed Baron Davis? Or after they signed Marcus Camby? Or Mike Taylor? Ricky Davis? I’m not buying it. If you had tickets and you were unhappy and you paid money for 2008-09 season tickets, at precisely what moment in the off-season were you convinced Mike Dunleavy was incompetent? You knew they would have fifteen wins on March 1st?
You might not like Mike Dunleavy (obviously you don’t) but I don’t think anyone could have predicated a season like this.
Or you thought they WERE going to run with Elton Brand on the squad. You make no sense.

by swamigusto on Mar 5, 2009 5:13 PM PST up reply actions  

Refund was available anytime until the pre-season started

First off, you have to put your deposit down for next season, a little bit after the current season ends. Before my friend and I gave them money, they told us they would re-fund the money if we were not happy with the current roster. There’s not a single point in the offseason where I decided, I’m not happy with the team. I never was, and until they made a move that would make them a playoff contender I was planning on canceling the tickets.
What’s the use of paying $90 a ticket, when I can get the same ticket for $15 bucks outside or on stub hub.

I’ve always considered Dunleavy incompetent. He has been his whole career. The point when I wanted him fired was the year after the playoffs when the team was underachieving and he benched Maggette.

You can go back to my posts on Clipper blog, but myself and other people predicted they would have a terrible year. I think I said about 25-30 wins for the season. I would have guess a few more wins, but 15 wins now wouldn’t have surprised me. Ask ACD if I predicted this

I never said Baron Davis was a bad signing, just that he won’t fit with Dunleavy’s controlling every play. I like BD, and I haven’t said that many bad things about him (besides not knowing anything about Dunleavy before he signed).

by FireDunleavy.com on Mar 5, 2009 6:10 PM PST up reply actions  

Why do I get into this?

OK, your third sentence doesn’t seem to make sense. “There’s not a single point in the offseason where I decided, I’m not happy with the team. I never was.” You never were not happy? Then were you happy? I really don’t follow you on that part.

But this whole thing started when you took exception to Zhiv’s comment that the offseason moves were encouraging. Now you say that Baron wasn’t a bad signing. So was it drafting Gordon, Jordan and Taylor that was not encouraging? Trading a future second round pick for Camby? It seems to me that you must surely be in agreement that the offseason moves were, in and of themselves, encouraging. You just had supreme confidence that MDsr would eff everything up, because that’s your superpower. But the moves were encouraging. Yes?

In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd

by Steve Perrin on Mar 5, 2009 8:26 PM PST up reply actions  

+1

…very well said, CS. The "Why do I get into this? makes me laugh out loud. But FDC can’t hear you. He doesn’t consider anyone else’s points, he’s too busy screaming that one-note opera. But methinks he’s shouting into an empty barrel whilst wearing it on his head.

by swamigusto on Mar 5, 2009 8:46 PM PST up reply actions  

Let me explain it another way then

We were not going to put down the deposit for tickets because we were not happy with the current roster and tickets were going for 1/5 of the price we were paying.

The ticket rep said, don’t worry by the start of next season we will have a competitive roster. At any time before the season starts, if you’re not happy you can get your money back. So, besides a little bit on intrest, we had nothing to lose by putting our deposit down. At that time I wasn’t happy, but 90% sure I was going to be asking for my money back. They promised us a competitive team. I along with all major sports journalist agreed this team had no chance to make the playoffs.

Maybe 1 out of 100 journalists picked the Clippers to make the playoffs. You call that good off season moves? I don’t go by what all journalists in the sports columns say and I make up my own mind, but I agreed with them instead of Clipper fan on the blogs saying the Clippers are gonna win 50.

Gordon – was the right pick. If you wanted to make a competitive team for this year, you would have traded him for someone like Artest.

Jordon and Taylor are both picks I like. Are they going to lead the Clippers to the playoffs this year? No. Are they going to leave the Clippers by the time they’re old enough to contribute? Probably.

Camby helps, but it doesn’t make them a playoff team.

And I’ve said many times before, I like Baron, but he’ll never fit in MD’s system.

You can say every team has encouraging moves if you want. If you thought the Clippers had a good chance to make the playoffs with Dunleavy, you going against all major NBA exports.

Its funny how all the postitive people are the people that don’t have season tickets. Even if Dunleavy wasn’t to blame, it would be nice to see ownership show that they want to change and fire him. They promised season ticket holders a competitive team this year.

by FireDunleavy.com on Mar 5, 2009 10:51 PM PST up reply actions  

So, only season ticket holders should have an opinion?

…pretty funny as I read it, considering you don’t have tickets either. For the record, I had season tickets for years, but not once I acquired other things (wife, house, children).

by swamigusto on Mar 6, 2009 11:29 AM PST up reply actions  

FDC wanted Beno Udrih apparently...

Look, anyone who says that the Baron Davis signing was a bad idea at the time is just wrong. Anyone who says they said it at the time is a liar.

Jax, to his credit, raised very valid questions about style of play as regards Baron Davis on an MDsr team. I also raised those questions. But I didn’t think for a moment that those stylistic differences made it a bad signing, and neither did Jax. I would characterize his comments at the time as cautiously optimistic – as optimistic as Jax allows himself to be at any rate.

In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd

by Steve Perrin on Mar 5, 2009 5:29 PM PST up reply actions  

I should clarify

1 – I don’t know whether they think he’s at fault. They just want him out. They also want Kaman out, but I digress.

2. It cannot get much worse than when the team quits on the coach. That can’t be fixed.

3. Disagree about MDSr’s offseason moves but this isn’t really the place for that.

by Jax on Mar 5, 2009 5:05 PM PST up reply actions  

"I don’t know whether they think he’s at fault. They just want him out. They also want Kaman out, but I digress."

Acting just to act is exactly the wrong reason to do something. If that’s what they are doing it should be a scary proposition.

It can always get worse. Until you add that to your math you are lying to yourself.

Get me BD and 75 and I'm in

by John R on Mar 5, 2009 5:12 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't think that anyone would fault them for moving MDSr out

Except, perhaps, you

And no, it really can’t get much worse.

by Jax on Mar 5, 2009 5:17 PM PST up reply actions  

Nice Post

Honestly, I am probably way off base here, but hear me out. Sterling personally insults Al Thornton at which point MDsr tries to defend Al. Sterling then yells down Dunleavy for this. At a minimum, would Al not feel closer to Dunleavy as a result of this? It’s not necessarily a bad thing for a faceless owner to play the “bad cop” role which makes Dunleavy look like the “good cop.” Al did have a pretty good game last night.

Honestly, I dont even think I believe that scenario, but its worth sharing with the group. For the record, I dont think Sterling is stupid as he is clearly enjoyed financial success in his time. I just worry that this tirade is evidence of the boss slipping into dementia—- and next year we see Sterling has turned into Al Davis.

by Michael White on Mar 5, 2009 1:12 PM PST reply actions  

Good cop, bad cop

I thought about that. I suppose there’s a slight possibility of the coach and players having a solidarity against the evil owner – sort of like Major League without Charlie Sheen.

But it’s a terrible long term strategy. And given the opportunity to leave, doesn’t Al run? Even if MDsr is his current support versus the evil owner, why put up with the evil owner at all if you don’t have to?

In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd

by Steve Perrin on Mar 5, 2009 1:27 PM PST up reply actions  

But that's not the case

They are not giving effort to MDSr.

by Jax on Mar 5, 2009 1:40 PM PST up reply actions  

Didn’t Al look like he gave more effort last night? Yes, Camby probably quit on the team last night, but he doesn’t figure into the club’s long term plans anyway. I think I agree with what you were saying earlier Jax (at least I think I did) where at this point the team will play under MDSr for the rest of the year anyway. If MDSr is canned, at a minimum Sterling has a sampling of which guys exhibited effort for the last portion of the year. Early return on Thornton from last night (admittedly a very small sample size) seemed favorable.

by Michael White on Mar 5, 2009 1:43 PM PST up reply actions  

Jax Is Right

I sit right on the baseline near the Clippers bench, and I clearly see Al grimacing or making other faces every time MDSr screams at him to run over here or throw the ball there or whatever. This team has completely stopped listening to MDSr, and no half-hearted defense in front of DTS would change that. Everything Al does seems to me to be contrary to what MDSr wants, anyway.

by bpr on Mar 5, 2009 1:58 PM PST up reply actions  

This is really the key point

MDSr has lost the team. I continue to believe that the inevitability of DTS having to lose $10M b/c the players hate his coach is driving this. Of course, DTS doesn’t like the coach either, so he really can’t be too surprised about it.

by Jax on Mar 6, 2009 1:24 PM PST up reply actions  

Thinking of the Clippers

is giving ME migranes.

"This kid is the best new talent in the league right now, and I don't care who else you mention." -Suns Coach, Alvin Gentry, on Clippers rookie sensation, Eric Gordon.

by cliptakular on Mar 6, 2009 1:35 PM PST up reply actions  

Me too

I’m bringing some brown paper bags to the Cavs game next week. Never know, they may show us on SportsCenter…

FA in 2010.

by ClipperChuck on Mar 6, 2009 3:09 PM PST up reply actions  

well Donald Sterling's people did a good job fluffing his wikipedia page...

it makes him sound like a slightly less bad guy, but not like some of the other stuff you read in the papers.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Sterling

by cantthinkofagoodname on Mar 5, 2009 1:51 PM PST reply actions  

I didnt seee the sa game, but looking at the boxscore

thornton was 1-11 in the 1st half. he followed that with a 4-6 third quarter… i don’t think that means anything though.

http://www.nba.com/games/20090302/SASLAC/playbyplay.html

by cantthinkofagoodname on Mar 5, 2009 2:08 PM PST reply actions  

Al had a bad game against the spurs

It happens. It’s really the wrong time to get in a guy’s grill. Yell at him after a game where he scores 30 but has 0 assists and 2 rebounds. But he obviously didn’t miss 10 shots in the first half on purpose. don’t kick him when he’s down. he actually had some of his nicer assists of the season in that game. It was the absolutely wrong time to call him selfish.

In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd

by Steve Perrin on Mar 5, 2009 2:45 PM PST up reply actions  

just to be clear

I wasn’t defending sterling’s idiocy, but I was curious to see how a player that we know was called out responded. Al did respond like a professional despite being treated like a doormat.

by cantthinkofagoodname on Mar 5, 2009 10:53 PM PST up reply actions  

Sterling Being Advised By Heisler?

In the LA Times article, it is mentioned that at halftime Sterling sought out an LA Times reporter to vent; at the end of the article it is mentioned that Mark Heisler contributed. Heisler, who sometimes writes Dear Donald letters offering Sterling his advice, wrote earlier this season that his advice to Sterling would be to stay the course. I wonder if Heisler encouraged him to let the players know he was firmly behind the MDSr vision.

by Clipster Hipster on Mar 5, 2009 2:18 PM PST reply actions  

That's a great observation...

I had noticed that Heisler was a contributor to the Bolch story, which is why I was guessing on the other thread that Heisler was indeed the mystery Times reporter talking to Sterling. Connecting that dot to Heisler’s long-standing support of ‘stability’ (he may or may not be an MDsr apologist, but he is a major proponent of stability and thinks other organizations and the Clippers in the past fire coach’s far too quickly) in his Dear Donald columns is a really interesting possibility.

Sterling vents to Heisler. Heisler says “The last thing you want is for the players to think you’re going to fire Dunleavy. You need stability, and it’s on them to perform better for this coach.” Sterling, with no one else to turn to for basketball advice, goes with it.

Maybe.

In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd

by Steve Perrin on Mar 5, 2009 2:43 PM PST up reply actions  

Sounds bad that way...

The hypothesis would be that perhaps Heisler offered an opinion consistent with his prior views on the subject, and Sterling acted accordingly. It wouldn’t necessarily be explicit advice.

But it’s obviously conjecture. Interesting conjecture.

In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd

by Steve Perrin on Mar 5, 2009 3:24 PM PST up reply actions  

In that case

Go the Detroit Lions route and hire an broadcaster/analyst to be the general manager. I remember hearing how succesful the Lions were during the Matt Millen era.

by Michael White on Mar 5, 2009 3:34 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm not sure I'm buying this last bit.

The players haven’t been playing for Dunleavy all year so why Sterling would take advice from the reporter now doesn’t make sense. At no point (that I’m aware) has Sterling suggested that Dunleavy’s position is at risk. By supporting the coach like this, he’s risking alienating the players from the coach totally.
I think Sterling doesn’t take basketball advice from anyone because what does he need it for? He hired Dunleavy to coach the team and lets him get on with the job. He’s paid for free agents so has supported him and not commented in the press to undermine him at all.
Yep, the training facility is great but what is the point whilst the players are always injured. He should be launching investigations into why the training staff can’t get these players less prone to injuries and why they let Baron run around the court in the fat wobbly state he does. Yep, I’ve gone off on a weird tangent!!!

Bingo! Oh me oh my!

by ClippersUK on Mar 5, 2009 3:06 PM PST up reply actions  

Perhaps there is another way to look at it

Based on history, hitch your wagon to one of these three to win more basketball games in his role short, medium and long term. You can only keep one.

1. Thornton
2. Dunleavy
3. Sterling

Get me BD and 75 and I'm in

by John R on Mar 5, 2009 5:17 PM PST reply actions  

ATIII's take on it...
Mr. Sterling has come up to me after the past three games lamenting his
frustration and he has sent Andy Roeser to the locker room after each of
those games to get a report from Mike Dunleavy. Why, I don’t know because
Dunleavy is going to put his own spin on things each and every time and
it’s never his fault for anything.

I know that Mr. Sterling wants to fire Dunleavy…despite what the L.A.
Times reports that he supports the coach wholeheartedly. But Mr. Sterling
does not want to pay Mike for two more years at over $5 million per year to
sit around doing nothing. Besides, if he fired Dunleavy, he’d have to hire
a coach AND a general manager. How would he be able to do that, without
coming out of pocket for millions of dollars?

For everyone who has criticized Elgin Baylor throughout the years, know
this…Elgin is one of the most astute judges of basketball talent in the
NBA. EVERYONE makes mistakes in the draft but some of Mike Dunleavy’s most
grevious mistakes have been in player personnel decisions outside the draft
- ie Matt Barnes was a Clipper and could have been re-signed; Eddie House
is doing a quality job coming off the bench for the Boston Celtics; Mikki
Moore will help the Celtics, too. Those are just three minor examples.

"Duck, Crab. Crab, Duck"
Roger Sterling - Mad Men

by Lawler's Law on Mar 5, 2009 5:29 PM PST reply actions  

Why does he answer your emails?

Art must not like me.

I’m not sure what his take is here. He wants to fire Dunleavy but he won’t because it will cost him money? Duh comes to mind. How bad does he want it? Because if he’s not willing to act on it, then he’s just flailing about.

In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd

by Steve Perrin on Mar 5, 2009 5:33 PM PST up reply actions  

That validates what I've been hearing

about DTS wanting MDSr out. And Art doesn’t like MDSr either. Go figure.

John R – have at him my man.

by Jax on Mar 5, 2009 5:59 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm sorry

But ATIII lost all credibility with me with that ridiculously absurd line that “Elgin is one of the most astute judges of basketball talent in the NBA.” Uh…I call BS. What the heck is he talking about? What is that based on? 22 years of futility? He just throws in there that everyone makes mistakes in the draft…sure…but not everyone annually wastes lottery pick after lottery pick on busts. Danny Ferry? Bo Kimble? Kandi? Miles? I mean give me a break. Elgin has hardly ever done anything to warrant that comment. He traded for Brand. Hardly an astute eye necessary to know that was a no brainer trade.

With Elgin at the helm, the Clips never ONCE drafted a superstar. NEVER. How is that even possible? Even bad franchises just luck into superstars every once in a while, and in 22 years the Clips can’t do it ONCE?! That’s just silly.

ATIII must have been high when he wrote that.

by madglove on Mar 5, 2009 8:26 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

I gotta go with madglove...

Maybe ATIII thinks Elgin got a raw deal but the guy made a lot of terrible picks.

by swamigusto on Mar 5, 2009 8:54 PM PST up reply actions  

Agreed!

'Cause how you play, is how you'll be remembered. PLAY LOUD!

by CLiPPz WeRD 12 on Mar 5, 2009 9:19 PM PST up reply actions  

Miles wasn't that bad

That was one of the worst drafts ever, most of the guys were out of the league a few years later.

Picks that KILLED us in no particular order

Livingston over Devin Harris

Wilcox over Amare

Wright over Kobe

Koralev over Granger

Olowokandi over everyone (Vince, Jamison, Dirk, Pierce)

Trading McDyess for Rogers and Brent Barry

Lamond Murray over Eddie Jones

That’s alot of misses. So far EJ (and possibly Odom) has been our only good value pick we’ve had and I’m pretty sure Dunleavy picked him.

FA in 2010.

by ClipperChuck on Mar 6, 2009 3:18 PM PST up reply actions  

There were isgns this could have been a bad season and the offseason pick-ups could have been bad let me name a few for the weak at mind.

1) trading for Jason Hart-Brevin Knight wanted out but most Clipper belief is Hart would play like he did years ago but in reality he was beat out for the back-up job in Utah. The fact is the Clipps rolled the dice on a player that was barried in the bench and loss his spot badly which in the result happended as he was a Clipper.

2)Adding Ricky Davis- I don’t hate Ricky bu it has been proven hat any team the man has been on instanlty is bad. In previous years it was by his childish action in recent years it’s just been bad luck. Which continued his season.

3)Bringing in Baron Davis without finishing a deal for Elton Brand. hat was the whole point of the offseason was to broiing in Brand to hold ground with MD without him BD would look like a traitor to L.A for going back on his word and MD would look like larger @$$ for letting to high caliber players get away. This was a forced marriage from the start.

4) Not making a coaching change during the offseason and giving MD the GM job. MD can’t handle coaching a talented team now you want him to coach and manage a talented team that is brutal at the least.

5) Knowing MD wouldn’t change and the team would have a half-court defensive system coach with a up-tempo full-court PG/leader. we thought he adjust ment would be rocky but damn lol there wasn’t an adjustment and the team doesn’t even have a system.

There were signs that this could have been a bad season but we all tried to hide behind the blinders.

by KillaClip on Mar 5, 2009 9:18 PM PST reply actions  

To 3, Brand wanted Baron before he would sign. Then Dunleavy contacted Brand directly instead of his agent.

by FireDunleavy.com on Mar 5, 2009 10:58 PM PST up reply actions  

hahaha

After the tyrade… the players were all probably like “who was that guy?”

"This kid is the best new talent in the league right now, and I don't care who else you mention." -Suns Coach, Alvin Gentry, on Clippers rookie sensation, Eric Gordon.

by cliptakular on Mar 6, 2009 1:01 PM PST reply actions  

At least this about clears everything up...

You can only follow a team so closely, and it looks what’s been popularly perceived is actually true. Whether or not you like the coach, he’ll be in there for as long as Sterling can get away with it.

by ghost_ride on Mar 6, 2009 1:03 PM PST reply actions  

"Waive Ricky Davis today"

Ha-ha

I bet he doesn’t even know that Ricky had been very bad this year. You know what, he may not even know who Ricky is.

"This kid is the best new talent in the league right now, and I don't care who else you mention." -Suns Coach, Alvin Gentry, on Clippers rookie sensation, Eric Gordon.

by cliptakular on Mar 6, 2009 1:04 PM PST reply actions  

I don't think you give Sterling enough props for

how clever he is. You don’t make a success in your life like him without having some brains.
Sure he knows who Ricky is as he signs his paycheck and you can be sure he knows about all the money going in and out of the org.
If Dunny had a year left and 2M on his contract, the chances of him being fired would be much higher than they are now.
He’s money orientated, not success orientated as we all know. He doesn’t think like a fan, he thinks like a businessman.
He’s not a stupid man though.

Bingo! Oh me oh my!

by ClippersUK on Mar 6, 2009 1:11 PM PST up reply actions  

Ricky D.

I should’ve comment clearer.

Lol, I’m fairly sure that he knows Ricky Davis because he does sign his check. I’m just not sure if he knows his actual appearance. We did have 3 Davis (Davises?) in the beginning of the season. :)

"This kid is the best new talent in the league right now, and I don't care who else you mention." -Suns Coach, Alvin Gentry, on Clippers rookie sensation, Eric Gordon.

by cliptakular on Mar 6, 2009 1:14 PM PST up reply actions  

Ok

We cut the wrong one didn’t we!!!!

Bingo! Oh me oh my!

by ClippersUK on Mar 6, 2009 1:21 PM PST up reply actions  

hehe

"This kid is the best new talent in the league right now, and I don't care who else you mention." -Suns Coach, Alvin Gentry, on Clippers rookie sensation, Eric Gordon.

by cliptakular on Mar 6, 2009 1:22 PM PST up reply actions  

"Al, you are the most selfish basketball player I have ever seen!"

“What do you think, Mike?”

MDSr. “Well, I…”

“Shut up!”

That’s the greatest.

F-Elton!

by mikey p on Mar 6, 2009 1:09 PM PST reply actions  

They teach in law school

Never to ask a question when you don’t know what the answer will be

MDSr might very well have agreed with DTS on that one

by Jax on Mar 6, 2009 1:17 PM PST up reply actions  

Reminded me of Bill Cosby's standup act

He talked about how parents ask questions but they don’t want you to answer.

F-Elton!

by mikey p on Mar 6, 2009 2:12 PM PST up reply actions  

When Sterling is quiet long enough that we can almost forget about what a bad, bad human being he is, we think "Hey, why can't the Clippers succeed some day?" And then he opens his mouth and we know the answer.

So true

"This kid is the best new talent in the league right now, and I don't care who else you mention." -Suns Coach, Alvin Gentry, on Clippers rookie sensation, Eric Gordon.

by cliptakular on Mar 6, 2009 1:20 PM PST reply actions  

great article again as usual btw

"This kid is the best new talent in the league right now, and I don't care who else you mention." -Suns Coach, Alvin Gentry, on Clippers rookie sensation, Eric Gordon.

by cliptakular on Mar 6, 2009 1:21 PM PST reply actions  

Let's get real

In this economy, with almost everyone fearing their jobs and finances, how is it that we are to sympathize with players regarding the DTS outburst when these guys live in another world and don’t give a rats ass about their true boss, the fans. If these guys are rattled by DTS, then they should retain a full-time counselor. DTS may not be Dale Carnegie, but he has a right to complain about their performance. Ricky Davis is playing like crap, yet he is given a few days off for smoking dope and gets right back into his cushy contract.

I would rather go back to the days when there wasn’t free agency and the owners had more controls over their players. Free agency has helped some teams become overnight successes, but it has also created a sense of entitlement among players where there is no team, and therefore, no fan loyalty. Instead, we see each player as a business unto themselves.

Did anyone ever see Jerry West write it in? I say, kick them all out DTS. It’s not that you have been too cheap. You have been too kind.

by Jerdog on Mar 6, 2009 4:36 PM PST reply actions  

Finally some sense

I totally agree with Jerdog, I’m tired of all this whining….just because DTS went on a rant. I believe now nothing he does will satisfy Clips fans. He shows frustration with the team, then get’s blasted by Clips Nation. Turns out he does care about the team. He pays Al Thornton millions, it’s his right to yell at Al. Al is grown man…he’s 25, I think he can handle getting yelled at by his boss once in 2 years. It’s ok for CLips Nation to complain about Al, but if the owner does, that’s bad? Come on……I’m sure Al’s feelings won’t be ruined permanently.

MDSr is the coach, get over it, Clips Nation.

This is going to be my team, and we're going to rise together.
-Clipper Darrell

by oasisman on Mar 7, 2009 8:06 PM PST up reply actions  

Ok, quck revision

He cares about the team because winning teams mean increased team value….all other variables being equal. So yeah, he does care…it’s an investment for him.

Cuban is probably one fo the few owners in all of sports that cares about the day-to-day of his team like a fan does. He is the true fan-owner.

This is going to be my team, and we're going to rise together.
-Clipper Darrell

by oasisman on Mar 8, 2009 12:37 AM PST up reply actions  

its not really about ranting the team

you’re right, they’re grown men.

its just his timing. he could’ve done this after we lost to sacramento but he didn’t. he did this after we lost to the second best team in the best and without arguably our two best players. what a moron. also, why do this near the end of the season? a little to late don’t you think?

"This kid is the best new talent in the league right now, and I don't care who else you mention." -Suns Coach, Alvin Gentry, on Clippers rookie sensation, Eric Gordon.

by cliptakular on Mar 9, 2009 10:01 AM PDT up reply actions  

west*

"This kid is the best new talent in the league right now, and I don't care who else you mention." -Suns Coach, Alvin Gentry, on Clippers rookie sensation, Eric Gordon.

by cliptakular on Mar 9, 2009 10:01 AM PDT up reply actions  

it's not really about the ranting towards the team*

"This kid is the best new talent in the league right now, and I don't care who else you mention." -Suns Coach, Alvin Gentry, on Clippers rookie sensation, Eric Gordon.

by cliptakular on Mar 9, 2009 10:03 AM PDT up reply actions  

Sterling Cares?

About what exactly? I’ve seen Sterling time after time walk by fans that want to shake his hand or just say hello. They’ve spent good money to be close to the action and he just waves them off (if he acknowledges them at a ll – which he usually doesn’t).

Dunleavy is the WORST coach ever!! No question, please let’s not go into this. I could list twenty reason the Clippers have lost any game this season and they all lead back to Dunleavy. Is it a coincidence that every year at this time we write about the team quiting on him? Think about it. Last night’s loss – yeah, due to Dunleavy. Sterling will never let him go because he’s paying him, simple and sad for the fans.

As for morale, I went to the signing last night. A.T. didn’t look at anyone and seemed slightly annoyed and just scribbled A.T. #12 without even looking at the person or the item he was signing. Poor Eric Gordon, the best player on the team , just signed as fast as he could to get it over with (I guess he’s learning fast), and Zach actually smiled, looked at you and your item and signed his full name! What’s up with that – a nice surprise after all.

by eastie Rich on Mar 8, 2009 2:20 PM PDT reply actions  

yeah

Al and Gordon would probably walk out as soon as they get the chance. What’s that you say about Randolph? He signs his full name and actually looks at you? That’s great! I’m starting to like him more now that you mentioned this.

"This kid is the best new talent in the league right now, and I don't care who else you mention." -Suns Coach, Alvin Gentry, on Clippers rookie sensation, Eric Gordon.

by cliptakular on Mar 9, 2009 10:07 AM PDT up reply actions  

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