Z-B-O D-U-I
by Steve Perrin on Apr 6, 2009 11:22 AM PDT
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With five games left in this miserable season, there wasn't a whole lot more that could go wrong for the Clippers. Five more losses secures a pretty good shot at a high draft pick. Mix a few wins in there and hey, that's OK, they won a game. They'll still have plenty of ping pong balls and it's always fun to get a W.
So while there are obviously plenty of bad things that could happen (significant injuries in these meaningless games being the most obvious possibility), it seemed reasonable to expect that we could morosely sleepwalk to the finish line and begin dreaming of draft picks and better days ahead. Not so.
As worst case scenarios (scenarii?) go, this isn't a career-threatening injury. But it's certainly not what we want to hear going into the off-season.
Zach Randolph, the Clippers' leading scorer, was arrested last night on drunk driving charges. Here's the AP story (hat tip to citizen gbtrooper who joined Clips Nation this morning just to share this with us):
Los Angeles Clippers forward Zach Randolph has been arrested for investigation of drunken driving.
California Highway Patrol Officer Tony Garrett says two officers saw a white Rolls-Royce weaving on Interstate 405 around 2:25 a.m. Monday.
The officers pulled the car over and identified Randolph as its driver. Garrett says alcohol could be smelled from inside the car and after conducting a field sobriety test, Randolph was arrested and taken to the Men’s Central Jail in downtown Los Angeles.
He was later released on $5,000 bail. A message left for a Clippers spokesman was not immediately returned.
Randolph had 18 points in the Clippers’ 88-85 loss to the Los Angeles Lakers on Sunday night.
Just great.
Why was a 27 year old averaging 20/10 available for two overpaid guys in their 30s? Because (a) he was even more overpaid, (b) his stats were empty and he didn't really help teams win games and (c) he was trouble. That was the theoretical downside anyway.
Upon his arrival in LA, we began to embrace the idea of having a top tier low post scorer again, as MDsr's offense suddenly began clicking on, let's say two cylinders, as opposed to none.
When he punched Louis Amundson in February, we explained it as a manifestation of his personal angst over his father's critical illness. It wasn't good, it wasn't smart, but it didn't mean all the haters were right about him; you could hardly blame the guy, with his dad in the hospital, or so the rationalization went.
So now what?
I don't have much to say at this point. We'll find out soon enough what his blood alcohol content was (but you can bet it's going to be bad). I'm not going to moralize about drinking and driving. It happens with alarming frequency around the NBA, something the league office really needs to get in front of.
But if Zach Randolph was hoping to prove that he had matured, that some of the baggage associated with him was undeserved, that it was going to be different in LA - well, between the punch and the DUI, I think we can now establish that his reputation was well-earned.
The Clippers used to have a power forward who everyone thought was a boy scout, and who turned out to be not quite as perfect as we believed. At least they know what they've got this time. And he's going to make $33M over the next two seasons on a completely untradeable contract.
[Note by Steve Perrin, 04/06/09 2:35 PM PDT ] The team has announced that Zach has been suspended for two games.
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"Because (a) he was even more overpaid, (b) his stats were empty and he didn't really help teams win games and (c) he was trouble. "
Um, okay. Point (a) is arguable I guess, but I can’t make a strong case for it one way or the other. Point ( c) is definately correct and I will discuss more below. I simply don’t understand point (b) at all. Do certain points not count? Does Zach hitting the two free throws to send the game into overtime not count, or the basket he made to send the Knick game into overtime earlier in the year not count? This kind of “analysis” is simply lazy. Zach has been on winning teams before (2 in Portland and success he enjoyed in college) and the Clippers at least appear to be put in a better shape to win games with Z-Bo on the floor— therefore saying he doesn’t really help teams win games is an incomplete formula at best.
As for the incident at hand (the reason for the post) I cannot express how unhappy these stories make me. As somebody who has been personally impacted these types of incidents in the past (as I’m sure many people here are) I simply have no tolerance for this sort of thing—— I mean Donte Stallworth killed somebody like a month ago while driving under the influence! As a society, we should hope that Zach is prosecuted to the fullest extent (regardless of how we feel about his abilities as a basketball player) and I hope that guys like Zach learns his lesson before he ends up like Donte Stallworth—- or one of us who live in the same city as Randolph suffer the same fate as Mario Reyes.
by Michael White on Apr 6, 2009 11:37 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Empty stats...
I’m not making the empty stats argument – I’m repeating it.
The obvious problem with any statistical argument is that no one, as far as I know, has a stat that measures defense – and there are myriad other intangibles, but defense is the easiest one to pinpoint. So Shane Battier has a PER of 10 (which makes him a bad NBA player), and Zach has a PER of 20 (which makes him a great NBA player), and PER is supposed to be super-sophisticated, but everyone knows it shortchanges Battier and doesn’t penalize Zach.
I agree with you – points are points, and rebounds are rebounds. But other things help teams win games too. So the argument against Zach is that those other, less measurable things (like defense and locker room presence) decrease his value.
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by Steve Perrin on Apr 6, 2009 12:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
but our players on defense dont have much value anyway. randolph does what he can, you cant say he doesnt go out there and try to win. you can say a lot more about him and his effort then some of the other big contract players on this team. so to say his stats are “empty” isnt quite right…. him on the team hasnt really made us worse at all, id even argue our team is a bit better with him on the team
by shoothoop on Apr 6, 2009 2:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's an okay player
but the point was this trade was made in desperation, was short sighted and now we’ll sit out the best free agent pool in history in 2010. I’ve been against the trade from day one.
Come on, the Knicks of all team traded him for essentially Tim Thomas. The Knicks got him to begin with for the expiring contract of Steve Francis. Zach Randolph is the lemon of the used basketball lot.
FA in 2010.
by ClipperChuck on Apr 6, 2009 3:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
you really think any of those hot shot 2010 players would even want to come play for us?
at least randolph tries out there. hes a consistent 20-10 guy, he isn’t like some of the other guys who collect their checks and only show up when they “feel” like it. at least he earns his money thats more then you can say for the likes of kaman and baron.
by shoothoop on Apr 6, 2009 4:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
My thoughts exactly...
20/10 guys are few and far between. AND they cost more than the $16mil per season that Zach is costing us. The good news is that he can be relied on to get 20 and 10 and we don’t have to wait until…well…2010 to get a player like that. He’s been a liability on defense. I’ve watched as many games as other folks here and I’ve seen him be effective when he tries hard—his efforts will pay more dividends if he gets on an exercise program, loses weight like EB did, and puts on more muscle. To be fair, he’s a beast on offense who gets a more than his share of rebounds. Does that mean we can expect him to be a complete player? There’s only a couple of complete players in the league, as far as I know—that would be Kobe and LeBron. Could we consider Dwight a complete player? I don’t see Dwight able to shoot from distance or handle the ball like a guard… Will CP3 be able to average 10 rebounds a game? Vertically challenged guys like him just don’t get a lot of rebounds. CP3 also can’t back people up under the basket… I guess I’m saying we appreciate the guy for what he is—a 20/10 guy who can, at times, be an offensive whirlwind, who could play better defense—and surround him with role players who can get stops as other elite teams would. Players like Battier, QRoss, and Bowen each had a spot on the roster for a reason.
by bystander on Apr 6, 2009 6:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I reject the logic
that the Knicks decision to move Randolph was motivated by anything other than financial considerations. He was playing well in New York under D’Antoni [which shouldn’t suprise us because we saw how well he played when Mike Taylor had his breakout game. As Taylor was scoring 35 points by pushing the ball and running, Zach threw down 33. Just because he’s fat doesn’t mean he can’t play up tempo] As I’ve said before, the Knicks had 2 bloated contracts, Randolph and Curry— Randolph had trade value, Curry didn’t.
I understand the argument against the trade by saying it won’t allow us to participate in 2010. You and I can respectfully disagree on this point, but as to say I do understand your logic. My thoughts are that Zach made the team better, and playing out 2 years of crap basketball in the hopes of getting some marquee free agent 2 years later didn’t sound that great to me. We rolled the dice on Zach, it may yet pay off, it may not. But at least they stepped up to the plate and took a swing.
by Michael White on Apr 6, 2009 4:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No one else think Dunleavy had a conflict of interest?
He’s the one who made the trade, even though we were pretty much out of the playoff picture when the trade went through. He was trying to salvage the season (and his job), of course he might keep both because we have one of the worst owners in the history of professional sports.
I told my jewish friend that Donald Tokowitz (he changed his surname for business purposes awhile back) has caused irreparable harm to the jewish community over the years.
FA in 2010.
by ClipperChuck on Apr 6, 2009 4:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't see the logic in the "let's wait" line of reasoning either...
there’s a few special players on that list, including LeBron and Wade…but the other guys are not in the same class as these two guys. Would there be any reason to wait until 2010 and not even end up with any of the better players? If anything, I think a bunch of these guys will opt to play together in one city. Most of the other players who don’t plan it out will be SOL. The nightmare scenario for opposing teams is if Wade or CP3 hook up with Bron or Kobe… Everyone else can just pack it in after that…
by bystander on Apr 6, 2009 6:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Randolph
is an incredible exception of the greatness of guys that can go 20-10 a night.
by highriser on Apr 6, 2009 3:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What makes you say that?
I assume you mean from a basketball standpoint right ? (as in not including his off the field issues)
by Michael White on Apr 6, 2009 3:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i’d like to see him elaborate on this as well. its mind boggling how since its randolph getting 20-10 its suddently an “exception” and his stats mean less compared to if it were someone like gordon achieving 20-10.
i would understand if he had 20 points by shooting 20% and shooting a crazy amount of shots but its not even that. some people dont even realize hes shooting almost 50%
dont mix up randolph on the basketball court with the guy off the court. (and i am aware his defense isn’t all that great)
by shoothoop on Apr 6, 2009 3:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'
"This kid is the best new talent in the league right now, and I don't care who else you mention." -Suns Coach, Alvin Gentry, on Clippers rookie sensation, Eric Gordon.
by cliptakular on Apr 6, 2009 4:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd rather him achieve
12-7 every night if he could become a better defender.
"This kid is the best new talent in the league right now, and I don't care who else you mention." -Suns Coach, Alvin Gentry, on Clippers rookie sensation, Eric Gordon.
by cliptakular on Apr 6, 2009 4:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Really
Then why were the Clippers 3-17 with Camby as the starting PF?
by Michael White on Apr 6, 2009 4:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hmm
I think we’d be 0-20 without Camby. Teams need guys with different skillsets but are able to play with others. We could use a scorer like Zbo but if he is getting 20-10 but the guy he is guarding is getting 20-10 or better we’re not faring too well.
FA in 2010.
by ClipperChuck on Apr 6, 2009 4:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
he’s not a good defender, none of the guys on the clippers are very good defenders (gordon being the exception) he does what he can. 20-10 isnt bad and i reiterate he tries to win the game, thats more than you can say about the others with big contracts.
by shoothoop on Apr 6, 2009 4:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Zach has been on winning teams before (2 in Portland and success he enjoyed in college"
Zach played 5 mpg and 16 mpg during his (first two) seasons (in the NBA) on a winning team. In 2003-2004 (his third season) Zach’s minutes went up to 38 a game and he has not been on a winning team ever since.
http://saboner.mybrute.com
by Sabonis4Ever on Apr 6, 2009 7:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I remember Zach winning some sort of award that 3rd year with Portland
But why bother pointing that out, it wouldn’t fit your already formed opinion of him.
by Michael White on Apr 6, 2009 7:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Most Improved Player Award
But his team declined. Point proven.
http://saboner.mybrute.com
by Sabonis4Ever on Apr 6, 2009 8:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You didn't have a point
You lobbed a fairly elementary comment in which you “assumed the cause.” You basically said, Zach+playing time = team loses. You know this stuff is rediculous. Zach scores points, throw that out because the stats are “empty.” Ditto for rebounds. Zach can’t win, so its pointed out that he has been on winning teams before. No lets throw this out because he didn’t play enough minutes. Let me ask you, was Brandon Roy uselss before this season? I mean, the Blazers didn’t post a winning record until this year. But Roy led the team in prayer, I heard it was powerful.
by Michael White on Apr 6, 2009 8:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Zach Randolph is a black hole with no defense
His points come at the cost of ball movement/teammate involvement. His rebounds come at the cost of playing defense because he just stays planted around the basket. You stated that he has been on winning teams before. He was on a winning team for his first two seasons, but he was a bench warmer and had very little to do with the success of his team. Brandon Roy IMPROVED his team every season he has been in the league (he told general manager Kevin Pritchard during his rookie year to get rid of Zach Randolph because he was a huge determent to the team). Despite Zach’s 20/10 status he never made the All-Star team. Brandon made it as a sophomore with worse stats (NBA head coaches see what I see).
http://saboner.mybrute.com
by Sabonis4Ever on Apr 6, 2009 9:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And you know this how?
Seeing as how being considered a block hole with no defense is one of those things you really need to see to know, I gather you aren’t getting this information from his statistics (with the Blazers or otherwise.) But you have previously commented on this board that, “[you] didn’t follow the Blazers hardcore before 2006 (high school was a busy time).” So before 2006, you know the year that he started playing significant minutes (and according to you when we can start considering his team’s acheivements) and the Blazers started playing poorly, it was 2003 and you were in high school. Your arrogance is pretty humorous. You state opinions as though they are facts, “his points come at the cost of ball movement” and posture as though you are the resident expert in not only the Blazers but also the Blazers recent history.
by Michael White on Apr 6, 2009 9:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Zach is your problem now
Have a nice day.
http://saboner.mybrute.com
by Sabonis4Ever on Apr 6, 2009 10:05 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
rec
1, 1, 2, 3, 5, 8, 13, 21... I know...
by FibonacciSequence on Apr 11, 2009 11:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
dude
randolph sucks. Period. His stats are good but hes a total loser.
by highriser on Apr 6, 2009 11:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
and him being a loser detracts from his on court performance how exactly?
by shoothoop on Apr 7, 2009 1:10 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He doesn't make plays
like making an assist that leads to an assist. He doesn’t make plays possible. Just pass it to him and he’ll score all by himself. That’s why he’s been unsuccessful on any team.
by highriser on Apr 7, 2009 1:22 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I love that
" Dude randolph sucks."
Good point. I guess I’ll just move on then.
As for the assists to assits, saying that doesn’t happen is not even remotely true. If you have it on DVR rewatch the New Orleans game. Zach starts out strong as NO is playing him 1 on 1. He scores pretty much every time he touches the ball. As soon as he started getting double teamed, Zach started passing out of the post and the ball was being moved around the perimeter. Sometimes the Clippers scored, and sometimes they didn’t. So saying Zach doesn’t make plays like making an assist that leads to an assist is not true.
By the way, for the Clippers, Zach is recording 2.3 assists per 36 minutes which is the exact same rate as Camby. Kaman is recording 1.8 assists per 36 minutes.
by Michael White on Apr 7, 2009 7:40 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
have you been watching the games? i wouldnt believe everything you read in articles about zbo, watch his plays.
he played on the knicks before and they had a bad record then, now that he’s gone they still don’t have that great of a record so you saying that he makes the team worse in some way doesn’t really make any sense. none of the teams he’s left have improved dramatically, so you saying that he makes the team worse or doesn’t make plays for others doesnt really live up.
by shoothoop on Apr 7, 2009 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
not just the assist to assist
but other plays that do not appear on the scoreboard. Don’t get me wrong randolph is a great scorer, but the clips need more than just a scorer.
by highriser on Apr 7, 2009 12:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
“the clips need more than just a scorer” well if our record is any indication of what we need, we need a whole lot more. how come you dont get on about novak all he does it score, he doesn’t even grab rebounds. i love these double standards just because of the person zach is off the court. he’s successful at what he does which is scoring and grabbing rebounds, why do you expect so much from him. im sure when dunleavy made the trade he knew what type of player he was getting.
dont get who he is on the court mixed up with the kind of person he is off the court.
by shoothoop on Apr 7, 2009 3:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nobody cares what he is off the court
For all i care he can be a baby raper as long as he helps the clippers win. This is the NBA why the hell would we be paying attention to what they do during their free time, rather than watching play in an actual basketball game.
by highriser on Apr 7, 2009 3:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
WTH!?
I’d care if, hypothetically, he is a “baby raper”… wtf? Are you serious?
Even if he’s 1996 Michael Jordan, I want him out of our team, no question. Why the hell would I want to root for a player that f***s our society.
Basketball is just a damn sport. People are always first. Z-Bo could’ve almost killed an innocent by stander for all we know.
If you don’t care about people’s actions, might as well root for Kobe.
"This kid is the best new talent in the league right now, and I don't care who else you mention." -Suns Coach, Alvin Gentry, on Clippers rookie sensation, Eric Gordon.
by cliptakular on Apr 7, 2009 5:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
"none of the teams he’s left have improved dramatically"
Blazers
http://saboner.mybrute.com
by Sabonis4Ever on Apr 8, 2009 12:03 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sir! I graduated High School in 1984 and have followed the Blazers closely since I was a boy (named my hamster LaRue)
Sabonis4Ever speaks the truth
"its tough to play with one eye, unless you're a pirate." Delonte West
"una canasta a Pau en la cara" Rudy
by Honka Playboy on Apr 8, 2009 10:41 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
its a bad thing but we have no idea how he feels because of his dad. Millions of people drink and drive, after parties, probably even people who will post on this and say that z bo is messed up, but they just dont get caught. HE has a lot going on right now give him a break
by ClipperMyth on Apr 6, 2009 11:55 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
No
Lots of people have plenty on their minds. Drinking and driving is simply unacceptable (this is not like throwing the punch in the game earlier) and causes the death of innocents.
by Michael White on Apr 6, 2009 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
give me
a break .so his mistake was getting caught? well how fortunate he was caught maybe he /our someone else was spared serious injury are death. would you still be willing to give him a break if it was a family member or friend that he injured or killed? once again zach has shown poor judgement.
by cars50 on Apr 6, 2009 12:07 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
This should read: Z-B-O-D-U-H
it’s too bad what happened to his dad…who was in prison most of ZBo’s life and passed away before he could spend much time with him. there is no (pause) button and life goes on… I’m just glad that no one got hurt. If he’s a grown-up, I hope that’s the same thing he’s thinking instead of wasting time regretting he got caught.
by bystander on Apr 6, 2009 12:13 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
you would think that a guy who makes 16 million a year for the next 3 years...
would be able to afford a damn taxi!
by cantthinkofagoodname on Apr 6, 2009 1:07 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I am shocked...
Shocked beyond words…I thought Zach was a boy scout. This goes against the grain of everything we’ve heard about Zach: that he routinely helps old ladies cross the street, fights crime in his spare time, and raises endangered spotted owls. I mean, the organization has been filling the roster with great character guys and team players like Baron, Ricky and (almost) Jason Williams. Now Zach is arrested for drunk driving? What next? That the morally upstanding Ricky Davis will be revealed to be a habitual drug user?
by MichaelCage on Apr 6, 2009 2:44 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
haha
yup, this shouldn’t even be news ^^
"This kid is the best new talent in the league right now, and I don't care who else you mention." -Suns Coach, Alvin Gentry, on Clippers rookie sensation, Eric Gordon.
by cliptakular on Apr 6, 2009 4:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He also saves the Manatee
and helps get cats out of trees, does his neighbors taxes, open doors for the ladies, pulls out the chair for ladies, stand when the women leave the table and he LOVES long walks on the beach.
Alot of people just think bad things simply won’t happen to them. For a millionaire who has been getting sunshine blown up his pooper for years of course he must have some warped sense of reality.
This pretty much wraps up the most disappointing year ever.
I can’t believe I believed Baron when he said this year would be better. I’m going to go cry in the corner somewhere.
FA in 2010.
by ClipperChuck on Apr 6, 2009 4:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think I saw Randolph
selling girls scout cookies outside of Walmart. I could be wrong though.
"This kid is the best new talent in the league right now, and I don't care who else you mention." -Suns Coach, Alvin Gentry, on Clippers rookie sensation, Eric Gordon.
by cliptakular on Apr 6, 2009 4:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
More like...
He bought them out of all the cookies and ate them all in one sitting. While he did it out of self-absorption there was a beneficiary of his generous appetite.
FA in 2010.
by ClipperChuck on Apr 6, 2009 4:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually...
I heard from sources that he and Ricky Davis mugged the girl scouts then ate all their cookies. Then he turned around and tried to sell the empty boxes to unsuspecting shoppers. Of course, the culprits were gone by the time the police arrived. Though eye witnesses described a wide body, 6 foot 10 inch, bald, African-American male in a Clippers #50 jersey with the name Randolph on the back as the culprit. Through his agent, Zach denies all involvement and blames a certain Ruben Patterson.
The Clippers issued this press release: Zach Randolph and the entire Clippers organization along with Mr. Sterling is a huge supporter of the Girls Scout of America. Zach was actually a member of the Girls Scout during his adolescent and he is hurt by the rumors of this shocking crime against his beloved scouts. The Clippers are offering a reward of 50% off two tickets to the upcoming Clippers-Kings game for any information leading to the capture of the culprits.
by MichaelCage on Apr 6, 2009 4:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
50% offer
Is only good from 2-4pm on Fastbreak Fridays.
I heard Randolph goes clubbing with R Kelly.
FA in 2010.
by ClipperChuck on Apr 7, 2009 2:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I guess Zach just could'nt believe
they loss to the Western Conference leader. Come on, Clippers losing to the Lakers… how absurd!
"This kid is the best new talent in the league right now, and I don't care who else you mention." -Suns Coach, Alvin Gentry, on Clippers rookie sensation, Eric Gordon.
by cliptakular on Apr 6, 2009 4:00 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Maybe he got the season mantra wrong
He did join during the season, maybe he got “Play LOUD” (WTF does that mean BTW…) with “PARTY LOUD”.
FA in 2010.
by ClipperChuck on Apr 6, 2009 4:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Haha
The Clippers… when you think nothing much worse could go wrong, something else does. That’s why this tam is so much fun to follow, there’s always something to talk about.
"This kid is the best new talent in the league right now, and I don't care who else you mention." -Suns Coach, Alvin Gentry, on Clippers rookie sensation, Eric Gordon.
by cliptakular on Apr 6, 2009 4:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good news is...
Bill Simmons will have another article about us soon. At least we’re getting more print than usual.
FA in 2010.
by ClipperChuck on Apr 6, 2009 4:03 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
can't wait
"This kid is the best new talent in the league right now, and I don't care who else you mention." -Suns Coach, Alvin Gentry, on Clippers rookie sensation, Eric Gordon.
by cliptakular on Apr 6, 2009 4:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I already one guaranteed joke
Being a Clipper drove him to alcoholism. I’m hoping that more details come out, like how Barkley needed to pick up some roadside takeout earlier this year. Maybe ZBo was picking up the Hilton sisters for some homemade documentaries.
FA in 2010.
by ClipperChuck on Apr 6, 2009 4:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Man
seriously though. I don’t remember a time when I hated so many players in our current team (which makes this seasonthat much worse than it already is).
Dunleavy was naive not to think about his player’s personalities before acquiring them.
"This kid is the best new talent in the league right now, and I don't care who else you mention." -Suns Coach, Alvin Gentry, on Clippers rookie sensation, Eric Gordon.
by cliptakular on Apr 6, 2009 4:10 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
BUT I don't remember a time when I've liked so many of our players either...
EJ, MT, DJ, “BINGO” Novak, FreddyJones, PaulPierce-stoppin Mardy… Last squad that made it to the playoffs, I only liked Brand, Cassel, and Livingston.
by bystander on Apr 6, 2009 7:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What
No love for Korolev?
"This kid is the best new talent in the league right now, and I don't care who else you mention." -Suns Coach, Alvin Gentry, on Clippers rookie sensation, Eric Gordon.
by cliptakular on Apr 7, 2009 9:01 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
the Russian kid?
I thought MDSr was just taking his kid to work…
by bystander on Apr 7, 2009 8:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not sure if anyone mentioned the fact. Aren’t we still above .500 with bd,ej,at,zr,mc starting. I think if you take zach out of our line up we have no chance at all. As for all the arguments, really, did you guys miss all the games when we were like 9-7 with that starting line up. We could all sit here 24/7 and argue about who does this and who doesn’t do that but that gets us no where. We need to focus on what we have and look for missing pieces(wing player) than trying to get rid of people that no one would want because of our record. The only 2 players I think anyone would want that plays for the clippers is AT and EJ. We all know AT weaknesses but is he really a bad player? They might want DJ but not sure we could get equal value back…just my thoughts.
by Spontane on Apr 6, 2009 7:40 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Zach's history
Ok folks, here’s the facts.
Z-Bo got arrested at 16 on weapons charges. He spent his junior year in a dentention center while his high school team played like crap without him. His senior year, he was allowed back on the team and won a high school championship in Indiana. Yea, he knows how to win.
He went to MSU, and left after his freshman year because he was going to fail out. Yes, this part is heresay, but dare I say, it’s probably true. It didn’t matter, because he knew he would cash in, so he didn’t give a crap about the degree. That’s too bad.
He got arrested on marijuana charges. He got arrested for street racing. He now has been arrested for a DUI. This will be his 4th arrest in 10 or 11 years. Can we call him Pacman-lite?
When the guy was arrested as a kid, and basically told everything he did in life he would be ok, that’s what taught him what he does now. His home town did him no favors. It was all about winning. Now you have a guy who makes $100 million to play basketball who thinks he’s above the law and has anger issues.
The bottom line is this guy thinks his poo poo don’t stink. Because he has a 20/10 average and a $33 million cap hit in the next two years, he knows his poo poo doesn’t stink and he will get away with it all, again.
To me, this is very sad.
by kapkomet on Apr 6, 2009 9:15 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
it sucks, it really does but thats just the way it goes.
by shoothoop on Apr 6, 2009 9:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Randolph's suspension
Will help the Clips in their quest to secure the most ping pong balls and it just so happens the Clips suspend him for 2 game and the 2nd game being the game vs. Sacramento with so much on the line.
Can’t wait for Clips vs. Kings at Staples in a quest for the most ping pong balls.
Btw… GO CLIPS… beat the Timberwolves tomorrow.
BOOK IT!
by kingme18 on Apr 6, 2009 9:46 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I very dissapointed
I’m sorry, fellow citizens of CLips Nation, esp Jax, for my blind defense of ZBo. I thought he had “matured”. I guess not….
He’s had a tough year with the loss of his father, but a DUI is unacceptable…esp when you can easily hire someone to drive you around all day. I never understood why these stars that gross $10 mil+ a year, can’t hire a driver after they go out for some drinks. It’s just unacceptable.
As far as ZBo on the court…there’s no question the Clips are a better team with him around. Clips Nation will probably start lobbying to keep Chris Kaman around even longer now…..
This is going to be my team, and we're going to rise together.
-Clipper Darrell
by oasisman on Apr 6, 2009 9:59 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
It's ok
We all want to believe that people will change, particularly when that benefits the team we root for. Zbo had a horrible childhood, his father was constantly in jail, and the rest is detailed above. Yes he’s ok on the court, but the off the court stuff unfortunately keeps getting in the way.
by Jax on Apr 6, 2009 10:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Damn
the clippers are a really effed up team this year. Getting sued, getting yelled by their owner, injuries, drug suspensions, dui’s and it keeps going and going……
by highriser on Apr 6, 2009 11:26 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
now all we need is a stint in rehab and a teary eyed public apology
by andrewexd on Apr 7, 2009 8:49 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
and
a “I did not use steriods” statement.
"This kid is the best new talent in the league right now, and I don't care who else you mention." -Suns Coach, Alvin Gentry, on Clippers rookie sensation, Eric Gordon.
by cliptakular on Apr 7, 2009 9:03 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
and...
a “I did not have sexual relations with that woman…Ms. Lewinksy.”
by MichaelCage on Apr 7, 2009 2:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
It’s so funny to see Clippers fans rush to his defense. Stats are stats, right? What you should probably take into consideration is that the criticism is being lobbed by Blazer fans. We know firsthand that he is a cancer. You can tell yourself that 20/10 is always valuable. But the fact of the matter is, Zach is not a team player, he’s a poor team defender, and even worse at individual defense. He is a low post player with no elevation.
And most of all. He’s a dumb@ss. He hangs with ghetto thugs, he acts like a ghetto t hug. You’re welcome to his headaches, but just remember. Portland traded him for essentially nothing, and we’ve gotten better every day since then. Just saying.
Blazers Prophecy.
3-5 championships in next decade.
You heard it here first.
by mjm6783 on Apr 7, 2009 9:52 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
yeah you have gotten better but you’ve also gotten much much better players since zach’s left. no way am i condoning what zach did. driving under the influence is a thing that should not be taken lightly, im only defending those that say his 20-10 mean less. a rebound is a rebound and a point is a point.
by shoothoop on Apr 7, 2009 11:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
one note: last year's Blazer team had almost the exact same players as in Zach's last year there
since the two draft picks Oden and Fernandez, did not play.
"its tough to play with one eye, unless you're a pirate." Delonte West
"una canasta a Pau en la cara" Rudy
by Honka Playboy on Apr 8, 2009 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
and last year you didn’t make it to the playoffs.
by shoothoop on Apr 8, 2009 2:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
much better
41-41, Not a losing team
"its tough to play with one eye, unless you're a pirate." Delonte West
"una canasta a Pau en la cara" Rudy
by Honka Playboy on Apr 9, 2009 5:32 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
doesnt matter to me if they were better, its about contending for a playoff spot
by shoothoop on Apr 10, 2009 11:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Surprise, surprise...
The train wreck for the Clippers continues. In fact, the train is in the middle of the 405 right now going against traffic. I stopped going to games, and I haven’t watched a second of Clipper basketball in at least three weeks. I know that my personal boycot won’t have any effect, but it at least keeps me from having suicidal thoughts.
Can we now say that the Clipper’s problems are not due to any one problem? Dunleavy is awful, the players don’t give a crap and DTS is the worst owner in sports. This situation is not getting any better any time soon. I am done having any faith in this team. The only solace I can take in this is that Donald Sterling will die during my lifetime. Until that happens, though, I don’t plan on watching much more of this crap.
Finally, getting to Randolph. I started turning on him after the Amundson punch, and now he just stands in my mind as another awfully disappointing Clipper. A trade that once looked so promising now looks like the worst thing that could happen. For once, I agree with KA, who I believe said that Z-Bo could do nothing more than carry the scoring load on a bad team. That’s it. If I were the coach of the Clippers, I would bench him and Baron for the crap that they’ve tried to pass off as basketball this year. Unfortunately, Dunleavy doesn’t have the balls or the respect to do anything about it. All he is capable of doing is complaining about how good this team will be when its healthy. Hey, Dunleavy: THE CLIPPERS SUCK!
There goes my Clipper rant for tonight. I don’t know what I’d do if baseball season hadn’t started.
"If a Clippers fan is reading a newspaper in his living room and the ceiling falls on him, he'll just shrug and move to another room." -Bill Simmons
by WestsideBrandon on Apr 7, 2009 10:14 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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