Clippers Win the Draft Lottery - It's a Good Day In Clips Nation
In 1988, the Clippers won the draft lottery and selected first in the draft. A decade later, in 1998, they won it again. This time it took a little longer, but 11 years after the last time they received the number 1 pick, the Clippers have won the NBA's draft lottery.
It's particularly fortuitous this year, because there is a clear consensus for the number 1 overall pick: barring a shocking turn of events Blake Griffin of Oklahoma is going to be the pick. He's been the consensus pick for the best player available essentially since he withdrew his from last year's draft, and he's done nothing but solidify that impression all along.
There's plenty to think about. Let's go with the 10 Questions format:
Is Blake Griffin definitely going to be the first pick? In a word, yes. During the conference call after the lottery, Andy Roeser stopped short of saying he was definitely the pick. But he raved about the guy's athleticism and talent, and said that the organization expects to make a decision very quickly. Roeser hadn't spoken to Sterling or Dunleavy or anyone within the organization yet, so he's certainly not going to announce the Clippers' pick: but unless the kid fails a drug test or does something else similarly bizarre, he's the guy.
Is Blake Griffin a franchise player? That's a much, much tougher question, and of course the real crux of the matter. The short answer is we don't know. Number 1 overall picks go on to have disappointed careers all the time: Kwame Brown, Kenyon Martin, Joe Smith, Andrea Bargnani and of course Michael Olowokandi were all first overal picks within the last 15 years. However, none of those guys were considered can't miss pros the way Griffin is. They were picked number one because no one else seemed better at the time. That's not the case with Griffin. He's not first by default. He's the consensus pick and consensus numbers ones have a damn good record in the NBA - we're talking Tim Duncan, LeBron James, Shaquille O'Neal, David Robinson.
So, how good is this guy? He's good. Really, really good. His athleticism is off the charts, certainly for a guy his size. He's Amare Stoudemire with a work ethic. But here's what I really love about Blake Griffin: in the NCAA tournament, as the one guy on the Sooners that defenses simply had to stop, facing constant double and triple teams, he averaged 28.5 points and 15 rebounds per game while shooting 78% from the field. Great players play great in big situations. And remember, Oklahoma only lost to eventual champion North Carolina, and happened to give them their closest game of the tournament. Compare Griffin's NCAA tournament numbers to James Harden's (a guy who will likely be a top 5 pick). For that matter, compare Griffin's NCAA tournament numbers to any big man of the past 20 years. He's not the number one pick because this is a down year. He's the number one pick because he's a great, great basketball player.
So what could we find out that could kill the buzz? Well, we could find out he's really 6'6". He's listed at 6'10", but college heights turn out to be exaggerated all the time. Of course, it doesn't change his productivity in college. But if he's actually undersized to play power forward in the NBA, it changes his prospects. The good news is, at least one person who should know insists that he's 6'10" in his shoes, meaning he'll likely measure 6'9" barefoot, which is great. We'll get all of this physical data (height, wing span, vertical jump, etc.) from the NBA combine in Chicago which starts on May 27th, a week from now. You may recall that Kevin Durant turned out to be less athletic than people thought when they measured him - but that hasn't hurt him as a pro. I think Griffin's going to measure off the charts, but we'll just have to wait and see.
Will the Clippers try to move a big to make room for him? I think they will. Roeser didn't have much to say when asked the question tonight. But the issues remain what they have been for awhile. Chris Kaman's trade value is likely depressed by his recent injury issues. Kaman's the true center of the group, and probably a better post scorer than Griffin at this point, so he would seem to be the best fit on paper. Zach Randolph, the biggest overlap with Griffin, is virtually untradeable right now, given the size of his contract and his off court problems. Maybe the team will go ahead and move Marcus Camby now, as his productivity and expiring deal may be of interest to teams - but they may hold onto him as well for the coming cap relief. But on this subject I'll leave you with what Roeser said: "It's not a good problem - it's a great problem."
Any chance they trade the pick? No. I mean, I guess Oklahoma City could decide to overpay for him, and Roeser says they'll listen to offers. But it's not happening.
What, if anything, does this mean for Baron Davis? It's hard to say. My belief (or is it simply my hope?) is that the energy and interest and enthusiasm surrounding the number one pick will motivate Baron to get in great shape, to play hard, to be a leader. Let's face it - the team is loaded with talent at this point, and if the Baron Davis from Oakland in 2007 plays point guard for them, they could be very, very good. If last season's Baron Davis is the point guard, it's a very different team.
Does this have any bearing on Mike Dunleavy's status as the coach? It doesn't seem like it will. First of all, it's very unusual to wait this long into the off-season before making a change. It almost never happens. Secondly, if you believe that Sterling is looking for an excuse to keep Dunleavy to save money because he's already under contract for two more seasons, this is probably it. We know from comments on Clips Nation that Griffin by himself will bring many season ticket holders back, and will likely bring some new ones in as well. I asked the question of Roeser during the conference call, and he said he expects Dunleavy to be the coach: "We have every intention of opening camp with Mike Dunleavy this year."
How good will the Clippers' summer league team be? If all their guys play, I'd say pretty good. They need a small forward, but it figures that DeAndre Jordan, Blake Griffin, Eric Gordon and Mike Taylor could win some summer league games with my aunt Nancy playing the three. With those four guys and Al Thornton the Clippers could easily play significant regular season minutes with players acquired in the last three drafts - an impressive string.
So does this make the Clippers a playoff team? Maybe. But not just because of the talent infusion of Blake Griffin. The bigger impact Griffin can have is by reversing the negative feedback loop that's been plaguing the Clippers since last October. We've said it over and over, but from conditioning before camp, to injuries, to chemistry, to irrelevance, the Clippers 08-09 season went from bad to worse at every turn. If the team, which everyone agrees has talent, is going to turn it around, it will have more to do with the enthusiasm a high visibility pick can bring. Baron Davis (and of course team health) will be the keys. Eric Gordon will do his part, the bigs certainly have enough talent to hold up their end if they stay healthy and small forward isn't a big enough problem to scuttle the whole deal. If Baron plays well, the team can make the playoffs next year. But they can easily miss the playoffs as well. More importantly, with Eric Gordon and Blake Griffin, two 20 year old studs, the Clippers may have a core for the future to stack up with any pair in the NBA.
The bad news in all of this is that we won't have nearly as much to talk about over the next month or so. We know who the Clippers are picking. We don't even have a second round pick to talk about. So what are we going to do around here?
Vegas, baby. Vegas.
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Correction - It's a GREAT Day In Clips Nation
Seriously. Great, not good. Like I said in my post, it’s important to keep in mind that this is a winner take all draft . This is a Lebron James, Shaq, Yao Ming, Tim Duncan, Dwight Howard draft. Not in the sense that Griffin will definitely be that good, but that everyone knew going into the lottery that if they didn’t get the #1 pick, they lost.
That’s what makes this a GREAT day.
Certainly agree there
For once, we hit the jackpot when it counted. After the debacle of last season, it hits us fans with that hope again (you know, the one we always seem to start the season with!).
Yep, they need to make some personnel moves but with a core moving forward of Gordon, Griffin, maybe Al and then DJ and MT in role positions.
It gives us some great conversations and debates to have over the summer on the moves we’d like to see, and the ones that are more likely, the organisation will make.
Got to say, I found out the news this morning in the UK about midnight LA Time and in the last 7 hours, I can’t concentrate at work, I keep smiling and am generally in a bloody good mood!!!
Don’t know about 3G but I’m going 2G – Griffin and Gordon
Bingo! Oh me oh my!
Clips won the 1st AND 2nd pick
According to TrueHoop:
The Clippers didn’t just win th first pick. They won the second pick too! The first four ball combination was 5, 3, 6, 10. Bingo. Clippers get the top pick. The second combination was 5, 6, 3, 4. Also the Clippers! The balls were placed back in the machine for a do-over, which went to the Grizzlies. I don’t know what the chances are of this happening (the Clippers had about a 17% chance each of getting the first and second picks) but it has to be about as likely as a power outage, which as I’ll explain would have been a lot more fun.
How crazy is that?!
I'm guessing a power outage is a lot less likely....
The odds of a Clippers combination coming up on each of the first two tries is 17.7% times 17.7%, or about 3.13% – much better odds than the Bulls winning last year’s lottery. Too bad it doesn’t mean we get Griffin AND Rubio. That’d be pretty sweet.
In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd
suddenly our cap situation doesn't look so bad...
all of the sudden we have large contracts that end around the time that we would have to pay these rookies more. z-bo – thornton, kaman – gordon, baron – griffin right?
secondly we have a lot of talent now… and that’s before we resign novak and jones and sign trevor ariza for the full MLE this season…
by cantthinkofagoodname on May 20, 2009 6:28 AM PDT reply actions
It certainly changes things
And it puts MDSr. into his comfort zone, which is pulling off solid trades. Now he has some flexibility to be a little more creative. Chicago could use some low post scoring. Perhaps a package of Kaman and Thornton would yield Luol Deng, or, if all the negotiations take place over alcohol, a package of Randolph and AT for Deng and (gulp) Tim Thomas.
Charlotte is a potential partner. Swap one of the big men for either Gerald Wallace, Boris Diaw or Vlad Rad, who played well under Dunleavy in his brief stint in 05/06.
Camby should be attractive to some of the also-rans. And yes, the primary concern now becomes cap space in time to extend Gordon and Griffin. So it does improve the situation.
F-Elton!
Perhaps, but he acquitted himself nicely in the Boston series
I think the Clips need another wing. I think any of Deng, Wallace, DIaw or Radmonovich would be a good fit.
F-Elton!
Okay. I’ll nitpick.
Kaman’s the true center of the group, and probably a better post scorer than Griffin at this point
Probably a better post scorer at Griffin at this point? He’s definately a better post scorer than Griffin at this point. I mean, Griffin has his attributes to be sure, but it seems the scouting reports all say that Griffin lacks a post game. I think Griffin’s role in year 1, is coming off the bench to provide energy and defense. But I don’t think he’ll be a starter— unless we do decide to blow up the team and start a team with Griffin and DJ at the 4 & 5. If we are trying to make the playoffs next year, Griffin will be a boost— coming off the bench.
I'd say the better defender of Griffin or ZBo should start
pretty much settles that.
F-Elton!
Why?
That seems pretty arbitrary. One is better than other offensively, while the other is better defensively? Why should the better one defensively start? Never mind that one’s only 19. Considering that last year Baron was pretty much a no-show offensively, the only 2 guys who provided offense consistently were EJ and Randolph— why take one of those two out of the lineup?
by Michael White on May 20, 2009 8:05 AM PDT up reply actions
Just my opinion
Sure the Clippers couldn’t score, but they couldn’t stop anyone, either. If Griffin brings energy to the defensive end, to me, that is more worthy of a starter.
Griffin gives the Clippers a better chance to play fast break basketball.
F-Elton!
Overall Effort
Is what Griffin will bring, and that affects the entire team as a whole. I’m quickly coming around to just letting him start out of the chute. The dude had two years of college and was completely dominant last year.
Valid point
Kaman’s a better post scorer at this point. Definitely. But whether Griffin starts or not isn’t really the point. He needs minutes, and they need to think about the log jam at the 4 and 5. Jordan needs minutes too, after all. So who is the fit with Griffin next season, and the season after that?
In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd
by Steve Perrin on May 20, 2009 8:08 AM PDT up reply actions
Not sure how it would translate on the court
but Griffin and Jordon in the post sounds amazing!
Any chance we can trade Camby for a second rounder?
by dulciusEXasperis on May 20, 2009 8:15 AM PDT up reply actions
Can probably trade Camby for more
Especially as the trade deadline approaches. IF Camby could net the Clippers a decent wing defender or a shooter, I’d take it.
But I’d rather move Kaman.
F-Elton!
If we trade Kaman...
Were gonna be forced to start Deandre Jordan a year from now (and probably a number of games this season if CAmby gets hurt), because Camby will almost certainly be gone after this season. While I really like Deandre’s potential, that is a terrifying prospect. I like your first point…trade Camby for a wing defender or shooter and make your team better now AND long term…
I think Kaman should be unloaded before it's too late
He has hit his ceiling. Let Camby groom DeAndre for a year.
F-Elton!
Yikes
I do not like that scenario at all. Kaman is still only 27 years old, and I doubt he has hit his ceiling. The main issue with Kaman is his ability to stay healthy. But, as is the case with most big men, this will always be an issue (see Andrew Bynum, Zadrunas I, Al Jefferson…just to name a few). The thought of Jordan being the starting center after next year is frightening. Might as well just draft Thabeet if that is the case.
I say trade Camby and keep Kaman around. After next season, trade Z-Bo as well..and then the log jam is solved…DeAndre Jordan is not a starting center in this league…and I don’t really ever seeing him being one either…well, at least not in the near future.
Do or do not. There is no try.
I think you want to make Zbo and Camby a set
Camby has sky-high value for all the reasons listed everywhere. Camby+Zbo = max contract money. If you move them in a simultaneous trade, the Clippers could take back any contract in the league, and then some.
The team that wants Camby has to help the Clippers unload Zach. They don’t necessarily need to take him themselves, but they have to find the buyer and sweeten the pot for them.
*This is all only in the context if, after starting the year, Blake is really as great as possible but they still need one more piece.
"So what are the odds that the Clippers can compete next season given their limited flexibility? Slim and none."
I definately agree with your last point. See what we’ve got in Griffin first, then evaluate all trade options. Including unloading my (as Jax humorously put it) man crush.
by Michael White on May 20, 2009 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions
I am all for dumping..
Z-bo….and if they can package him with Camby..that would essentially take care of the logjam issue. I just dont like giving up on Kaman so quickly. His stock is down right now and frankly can’t get much worse. Why try and trade him when he could have a good season next year and increase his trade value immensely. Camby’s trade value will not go away no matter how bad he plays, and the same can be said for Z-bo in two years.
I like how you think John. Lets just hope some team is willing to help the Clippers make it happen.
Do or do not. There is no try.
Love the idea, but I don't see it
The worst contracts in the league are mostly big men. The exception is the very worst (Rashard Lewis), who is on the books for a long time. I’d rather keep Zach, who has the next worst contract.
New Jersey has the Carter contract, but they are loaded with bigs. GSW has three pretty gnarly contracts in Crawford, Jackson and Maggette, and they certainly could use some bigs. But I’m inclined to stary the heck away from them. They are as big a mess as anyone. The exception may be a Camby for Crawford deal. But Zach probably stays.
I like moving Camby or Kaman to Charlotte for one of Diaw, Wallace or Vlad. Or to Chicago with Thornton for Deng.
F-Elton!
“I’d rather keep Zach, who has the next worst contract”
Does Zach even have the worst contract on the team? Unless Baron hits the weight room, how do you evaluate his contract? At least Zach turns into an expiring contract next year.
by Michael White on May 20, 2009 12:45 PM PDT up reply actions
Finally, a lottery where we are picking No.1 with no guessing involved
I’m still on cloud 9, I read Lisa Dillman’s article and I think there was a quote from Dunleavy that Griffin is the pick.
Does he wear 23 or does he fight w/ Camby and Gordon for the number?
didn´t roeser had 23 in a clipper shirt in the other side of his suit
in the lottery, i think i saw that showing the part with the number 1 and then briefly showing number 23.
Let's hold up on the playoff talk...
But it’s definitely a great day for Clips Nation. This team has let me down before, so it’s more of a tempered excitement, but it’s excitement nonetheless.
"If a Clippers fan is reading a newspaper in his living room and the ceiling falls on him, he'll just shrug and move to another room." -Bill Simmons
by WestsideBrandon on May 20, 2009 8:34 AM PDT reply actions
It's early to talk playoffs...
But it’s always the goal, right? And I just wanted to point out that it’s not just Griffin – putting Kevin Durant on a Seattle team that had nothing didn’t make them a playoff team. The Clippers have more than nothing – a lot more. But they did nothing last year. So something needs to change – and maybe Griffin can help create that change. “The Change We Need.”
In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd
by Steve Perrin on May 20, 2009 8:43 AM PDT up reply actions
Let's not talk about playoffs
Let’s just celebrate a lil’ longer
Hopenchange?
I found this post by our buddy Kevin quite insightful. A good explanation of why a team seemingly loaded with talent struggled.
I don’t know that Griffin solves all of these problems, but he is a step in the right direction.
F-Elton!
"But they did nothing last year."
Need some elaboration on this. It seems like they did a lot.
I would argue that it makes a lot of sense to do nothing right now, but before going in that direction I’m curious about what you mean here.
by citizen zhiv on May 20, 2009 11:28 AM PDT up reply actions
what he said
In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd
by Steve Perrin on May 20, 2009 1:20 PM PDT up reply actions
Hmmm....
I think if the Clippz can get Ariza for the full MLE, then this team is complete (aside from the coaching situation):
Kaman / Camby / Jordan
Randolph / Griffin
Ariza / Thornton / Novak
Gordon / Jones / Collins
Baron / Taylor
That’s a deep team.. The trick is to make it all work (coaching staff)
'Cause how you play, is how you'll be remembered. PLAY LOUD!
by CLiPPz WeRD 12 on May 20, 2009 11:34 AM PDT reply actions
Oh no
I just wrote an extremely long post about why the Clippers should do nothing, a 10 count covering just about everything, and was looking through the photos and then lost/zhived it. Was even going to put it up on the main board: no 1000+ word comment. When I say it was long, I’m sure you’ll believe me.
Appropriate I guess.
Do Nothing.
makes sense
Horrible season equals good karma. I’m glad the universe just balances itself out :).
"This kid is the best new talent in the league right now, and I don't care who else you mention." -Suns Coach, Alvin Gentry, on Clippers rookie sensation, Eric Gordon.

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