Do Nothing? It's an Option for the Clippers
With one combination of four ping pong balls, the Clippers prospects, both in the short and the long term, changed dramatically. Imagine if they'd gotten the third pick or below. They'd be looking at choosing from a group of flawed NBA prospects, none of whom play the position where they need the most help. Even if they'd gotten the second pick, that pick would have raised as many questions as answers, even if you believe that Ricky Rubio is the real deal.
In either of those scenarios, LA would be looking at a 2009-2010 season with few good options. Do you try to trade Baron Davis, while his trade value is at rock bottom? Likewise neither Zach Randolph nor Chris Kaman would command anything close to fair value on the trade market from a basketball standpoint. The team would be compelled to make a move, any move, and the odds of improving the team significantly would be stacked against them.
Now, you may be saying to yourself, "The first pick demands a trade even more than the other picks, since the biggest log jam is at the bigs." Yes and no. Drafting Rubio leaves the team with two choices: trade Baron, or have the lottery pick play backup, leaving little reason to expect significant improvement next season. Rubio would certainly help in the long run if he's for real, but there's little immediate help. And if Rubio offers little short term improvement, the rest of the draft board promises even less.
But even though there's a glut of players on the roster mostly making big salaries at the four and five, the very fact that there are so many means there are more options. The team is not faced with 'Trade Baron or else.' It's 'Trade Zach, or trade Kaman, or trade Camby.... or not.'
Because Baron's deal runs four more seasons, he represents a $57M investment through 2013 to a potential trade partner. On the other hand, Zach Randolph, supposedly with one of the worst contracts in the entire NBA, is a 'mere' $33M over two seasons. It's a huge difference.
In fact, the potential for trades from among the Clippers many fours and fives is actually quite good. Marcus Camby is very tradeable; both because his productivity is well worth his relatively low salary, and because his deal is expiring, just in time for the free agency bonanza next summer. Chris Kaman is, as I've pointed out in the past, still a resource in very short supply in the NBA, and the right trade partner may be very interested. Meanwhile, the crazy logic of the NBA salary cap means that Randolph may not be quite the pariah you think. It's been pointed out that he's already been traded for essentially nothing twice - once by the Blazers, and once by the Knicks. But bear in mind - his mammoth contract continues to melt away. The Knicks acquired four years and $60M; the Clippers acquired three years and $47M. Now he's down to 3 and $33M. And don't forget that he remains an incredibly effective scorer and rebounder. A team with a need for a low post presence could acquire him and see how things go for a year. If he helps the team, great. If not, they've spent one year on him, and now he's the next best thing to a great player in the NBA - a massive expiring contract.
Likewise, if the Clippers choose to do nothing, Camby and Randolph simply aren't around that much longer. There's certainly no reason to feel pressured into making a deal that you don't really, really like. There are four massive trading opportunities between now and February 2011 - trade Camby now, trade Camby at the 2010 trade deadline, trade Randolph next summer and trade Randolph at the 2011 trade deadline. Who knows what kinds of opportunities will present themselves if the Clippers are patient. Certainly no one knew that Pau Gasol was going to be on the block when the 07-08 season began, but that changed very quickly.
The point is, once the stars, or rather ping pong balls, aligned, suddenly the Clippers went from having no good options to having no bad options.
It doesn't guarantee success in the short or even long term by any means. The situation in LA is really only so straightforward as I'm presenting it if Baron Davis is the undisputed general at the point guard. It simplifies life immensely to look at him that way, and it may even help him succeed if he's firmly entrenched in the role, not being dogged by trade rumors and uncertainty. But the fact remains that it may not work - he may be just as bad as he was last season. But I'm choosing not to think of it that way, and to hope that he has a bounce back season. And why not? The worst that happens is that you find out he really has fallen that far, in which case you deal with it then.
So for now, the Clippers can trade one of their bigs, or they can sit tight. A potential franchise player is being added to the mix, whether they can work out a trade or not. They can now approach trades from a position of power, looking for other teams who are desperate to make a move rather than being that team themselves.
All because of those four ping pong balls.
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i absolutely agree...
we are in a great position right now with the contract situations we have and the caliber of players with those contracts. if you add in kaman’s and baron’s contracts, thats 4 consecutive years with a large expiring contract coming off the books. i dont know if those guys will even be here when their contracts are in their final year, but its a good position to be in nonetheless.
by krapper11 on May 27, 2009 12:49 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
and by caliber players
i’m focusing on the fact that we dont have a sammy dalembert, eric dampier, or gana diop contract on our hands. at least when our big guys are healthy(with an emphasis on HEALTHY), they can produce and are attractive commodities.
by krapper11 on May 27, 2009 12:55 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
Clippers have shown in the past, you can’t have enough expendable big men. Draft Griffin
by Qlippers on May 27, 2009 7:59 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
The most relevant reason to be patient...
…might be in trying to avoid another year like last year. With, what was it… twelve new players last year? The Clippers never had much time to gel. It seems to me, if the plan is to keep Griffin, then the last thing you want to do is make a bunch of big deals and have to put together the puzzle all over again. What this team needs is stability.
by swamigusto on May 27, 2009 8:21 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
pg: Baron Davis
SG: Eric Gordon
SF: Al Thronton
PF: Blake Griffin
C: Zach Randolph
the organization wants to play fast so that is the perfect starting lineup. let kaman and camby come in to rest griffin and randolph, it works perfectly
by ClipperMyth on May 27, 2009 8:37 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
i actually LOVE that lineup.
was thinking we could use it, just didn’t post it.
by XXDC2XX on May 27, 2009 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good Analysis
But do the Clippers really have “no bad options?” I totally agree with the point you were making, but please don’t jinx the recent run of good luck. Bad options are everywhere, which is why sitting tight right now is such a great option. When another team offers a deal we can’t refuse, then make a deal.
by ClipCat on May 27, 2009 8:44 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
That's the "how will the Clippers screw this up?" logic
There are always bad options of course. They could sign Allen Iverson to a massive contract, I suppose.
But you see my point. I’m assuming that the Clippers aren’t actively looking for ways to eff up.
In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd
by Steve Perrin on May 27, 2009 8:56 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
As has been discussed
the roster is decent, at least on paper. It just isn’t being utilized very well. It is hard for me to believe that a team with Baron Davis, Marcus Camby and Zach Randolph (and star in the making, Eric Gordon) can’t be successful.
The #1 pick is the best thing that could happen to happen to Dunleavy. It got everyone’s mind off of him and bought him more time on the sidelines.
As for Randolph, I don’t see a problem keeping him around for another year or two. I would bring him off the bench, where his scoring would be more of an asset and his lack of D would be less of a liability. Same could be said for Al Thornton. Throw Griffin into the starting lineup now.
F-Elton!
by mikey p on May 27, 2009 9:36 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
It would be interesting to say the least to try to bring Zbo off the bench
That would require some significant ego massaging
by Jax on May 27, 2009 10:11 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did too much last year
“5. Clips did a lot last year. It didn’t work. So this year: Do Nothing. Clips signed BD, got Camby, but put those aside for the moment. Big move was shipping out Thomas and Mobley, which put EGordon in the starting lineup. Also moved up Steve Novak, who eventually started playing. Collins came in, became an upgrade on QRoss, able to handle the ball and play 3rd string PG. Worth it just for victory over Celtics and battle with Paul Pierce.”
We heard this in some Dunleavy comments. I think he said that they had 13 new guys last year, although that doesn’t quite add up. Let’s add to the list above:
-drafted Eric Gordon
-traded for Steve Novak
-signed Ricky Davis
(Everything would have been fine if the Warriors hadn’t matched to offer to Azubuike. Davis2 was the poison pill.)
-signed Brian Skinner
-drafted Mike Taylor
-drafted DeAndre Jordan
-signed Fred Jones
-Kaman coming back from injury
-Davis3 coming back from injury
What am I missing?
Much too much activity.
Do nothing.
Of course, I’ve been going crazy with trade ideas for the last three days or more. Need to slow it down… to nothing.
by citizen zhiv on May 27, 2009 11:04 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Lots of Activity
Trading for Randolph and Mardy Collins
Trading Brevin for Jason Hart
And Dunleavy must have counted the trades for Cheikh Samb, Hassan Adams and Alex Acker to get to 13.
Although there’s always a potential deal that in concept seems to improve the team, I’ve come around to agree that doing nothing is the wisest path forward for now. But hopefully by doing nothing, the FO actually is waiting patiently as the Knicks did last summer. And I really hope the players aren’t taking the “do nothing” advice to heart.
by ClipCat on May 27, 2009 11:28 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do nothing is wise
because it fits with the reasonable expectations.
Are the Clippers going to be contenders next year under any circumstance? I doubt it. But are they slowly acquiring the young pieces to contend within 3-5 years? I believe so.
Making a trade so that they can improve by 10-20 games at the expense of futrue manuverability is unwise. My hope is that Dunleavy doesn’t forsake the future because he is in CYA “win-now” mode. One could argue that his personal urgency partly motivated the Randolph trade.
F-Elton!
by mikey p on May 27, 2009 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
There's a risk in doing nothing with Baron
…right now the perception is that he wasn’t happy with the coaching, or Dunleavy didn’t use him correctly, or he was injured, unhealthy and in LA.
No one really has a bad perception of his performance. The excuses still loom and other G.M.’s may be interested in offering something decent and taking a chance.
Flash forward…if his decline continues and he cannot elevate even with Blake Griffin on the team. People will see that he may be truly washed up. In which case we are stuck with an additional 3 years on a contract with a washed up veteran.
by Newtybar on May 27, 2009 11:14 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
New Coaching Staff & New Training Staff....
that, and add a defensive wing with the MLE, and some 3rd string depth at other positions, and that’s all that needs to happen this summer.
On paper, our roster looks great.. but they need a coaching staff that’s going to do more than show them game video of their opponents.
'Cause how you play, is how you'll be remembered. PLAY LOUD!
by CLiPPz WeRD 12 on May 27, 2009 12:28 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Don't disagree...
But it ain’t happening. This is your coaching staff, at least for awhile longer.
In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd
by Steve Perrin on May 27, 2009 12:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because Baron’s deal runs four more seasons, he represents a $57M investment through 2013 to a potential trade partner. On the other hand, Zach Randolph, supposedly with one of the worst contracts in the entire NBA, is a ‘mere’ $33M over two seasons. It’s a huge difference.
I decided to highlight the whole paragraph, but the bold represents the point I plan on ripping off when talking about Kings trades in the future: it is an investment. Great line CS. (And, umm, sorry about calling your Clipper Steve. Now that you use your real name, it makes me think your less legitimate than a wiener like Bob Kravitz. Real bloggers use pseudonym’s/pseudo nickname’s bro.)
On a far more serious note, your point that Baron Davis is not a huge commodity and an expensive one to acquire at that is important. What I think is equally is as important is that Chris Kaman is the type of player that could be very valuable for at least 10 teams in the NBA currently. That doesn’t even mention the kind of value that Randolph could have on the right team. Teams are scared off, but for the right price, he could be had. Unless the Clippers go on stupid drive here, they have a tremendous asset with picking a player at 1st overall. Dare I say it could even replace the sting that Elton Brand being a traitor has had?
Either way, great stuff CS.
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by pookeyguru on May 27, 2009 12:50 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
as that old-time fitness platinum blonde fitness freak screamed...
“Stop the INSANITY”
…all it this multiple player and picks trade talk is insane.
Ive been ready heavy on Blake and every where I read he is a franchise type player. He’s a coaches son. I mean the guy is coming out with a hat that says “Work” on the front. That is the antithesis to this recent Clipper team’s reputation. He is everything this franchise is not. ….He is coming with a better pedigree and work ethic then Dwight Howard. …he ….is my hero…he and Gordon. Seriously though. You can start with just those two alone and and create a fantastic core.
Blake is definately the way to go.
I would seriously only, at this point, consider trading for Howard or Lebron. Thats a bold statement, I know. But its about time this franchise makes a statement and stands on it.
by Takebb909 on May 28, 2009 3:00 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
"Blake is definately the way to go"
I would be more inclined to agree with you if your paragraph above included more than 1 fact. Oh, and if the lone fact was something more valuable than, “he’s a coaches son.” Everything else above is how you perceive Mr. Griffin’s “intangibles.” While intangibles are nice, I don’t see how any of us can value one person’s “intangibles” over another’s—- I mean unless you know these people personally.
Can you affirmatively assert that Griffin’s intangibles are better than Rubio’s? Of course not. So I’d personally prefer to try and evaluate these guys in terms of how good they are at basketall.
by Michael White on May 28, 2009 4:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
"I would be more inclined to agree with you if your paragraph above included more than 1 fact."
I thought the following was common knowledge amongst people discussing Blake Griffin;
ppg 22.7 (9th in the nation)
rbpg 14.4
fg% 65.4
PER 37.3 (2nd in the nation)
EFF 33.3 (1st in the nation)
…i thought the obvious indisputable facts clearly evident. i apologize for my oversight. i was speaking on the finer details.
by Takebb909 on May 30, 2009 3:25 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right, but what does Rubio’s father do for a living?
by Michael White on May 30, 2009 9:58 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Find out and let me know.
If Ricky and his father intangibles far out way those of Blake Griffin akin to how Blake’s physical capabilities out way Ricky’s then you just might be on to something.
by Takebb909 on Jun 1, 2009 3:23 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

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