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The Measure of a Draft Pick - Blake Griffin at the Combine

His arms are long enough to do this.

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His arms are long enough to do this.

As citizen dulciusEXasperis (a sweet handle) alerted as this morning, the first set of measurements are in from the pre-draft combine in Chicago.  And while Blake Giffin is not what NBA scouts describe as 'long', that was always fairly evident just from looking at him, so the expectations were properly set there.  The whispers going in were that perhaps, like so many other college bigs, he wasn't really as tall as he was listed in the NCAA.  The worst case scenario for his draft stock (not that it would have kept him from being drafted first overall, but it would have been a bummer to be sure) was that he'd actually turn out to be 6'6" of something.  Well, he passed that test.  He's 6'8.5" in his bare feet, right at his listed 6'10" in shoes.  He's also plenty big, at 248 pounds of muscle.

Saying that he has a 6'11" wingspan or an 8'9" standing reach doesn't really mean that much out of context.  Suffice it to say those aren't great numbers, and rank him a little below average on those measures for the power forward position (according to DraftExpresses database, those averages are a little over 7' for wing span and 8'10.5" for standing reach). 

But length is why Michael Olowokandi (7'8" wingspan) went first in the draft - length is not why Blake Griffin is a lock as the first overall, and it never was.  The dude can play ball.

The second day of the combine they get past measuring the bodies, and actually do some measuring of the way these guys use their bodies.  This is where Griffin will stand out.  The tests have been conducted, although the data is not in the DraftExpress database yet (keep an eye on it, and give a shout out when the numbers are there if I don't see them first).  Things like vertical leap, bench press, and lateral quickness are where Griffin will shine, particularly for a guy his size Chad Ford raved about his athleticism on ESPN today, but he did say it looked to him a little like Griffin was coasting in the sprint.

 

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OH COOL...

I just noticed that you changed your handle from Clipper Steve to Steve Perrin! I think it legitimizes our little world!

by Akram47 on May 29, 2009 3:25 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I saw the combine

and Blake’s stationary jump and running were impressive. However, he was coasting during the running portion. He said he’s only working out for the Clippers next week.

Does anyone know if Rubio is working out for the clippers?

by Qlippers on May 29, 2009 3:47 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Thanks for the recognition of the name Steve!

I watched the linked video on ESPN and he did look like he was on cruise control when doing the sprint. But why not? He doesn’t have much to prove in the speed area of the testing. He did however look good in that lane agility test. The guy is quick for his size and seems to have great footwork. Anxiously awaiting the remaining numbers of the other tests. It’s depressing this is our exciting time in May haha.

by dulciusEXasperis on May 29, 2009 4:08 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Did they measure his cross eye ratio at the combine.

by sqrebck on May 29, 2009 4:14 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

from DRAFTEXPRESS

DRAFTEXPRESS

-Blake Griffin measured out well from a height perspective, but he doesn’t appear to have great length at all. His standing reach and wingspan are both far below average for a power forward, which likely helps explain why he is such an unimposing defender and shot-blocker. In fact, amongst the 42 power forwards in our database who were selected as top-15 picks, Griffin is just a quarter of an inch from ranking dead last in the wingspan category, and an inch from ranking dead last in standing reach. Yikes.

Does they’re opinion count?

by STUCK IN LA on May 29, 2009 5:59 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Pretty harsh but he's only like an inch or 2 shorter than most PF....does it really make that much a difference?

I know he can jump high when on the move (hit is face on the backboard during a dunk) so maybe he’ll become an awesome weak side defender.

Besides his athleticism and work ethic more than make up for his semi-shortcomings. The guy is also built very well and I can imagine he’ll only get bigger and stronger.

by dulciusEXasperis on May 29, 2009 6:11 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Let's remember what everybody said a year ago...

“Eric Gordon doesn’t have enough length to be a standout SG.”

Heck, I think it was Chad Ford who said it.

Anybody believe EJ is not a standout guard for that reason?

I think the same applies to BG.

"Not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted" – Albert Einstein

by Another son of Mike Smith on May 29, 2009 8:35 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why doesn't Eric Gordon get more mention of how good he was?

I don’t get that. I thought Gordon would be good before the draft (although I didn’t share barely any of those thoughts with anyone), and lo & behold, he was.

Gordon is a true asset to the Clippers. Why more people don’t get that is beyond me.

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on May 29, 2009 8:45 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

For EJ, all we need are two things.

1. A bit more patience to let the rest of the league get to know him better and appreciate his talents more, which will come with time.

2. Surround him with better pieces so he can continue to improve beyond an outstanding rookie campaign. Blake Griffin is a great start.

A few more plays run for him probably wouldn’t hurt either.

My recollection of a year ago was that he was considered a talent but nobody knew whether his dropoff in his shooting at Indiana was due to his wrist injury (it was) or something more systemic. So that was a big question mark. And the other point that was drilled into us ad nauseum was that he was too short for a SG.

In retrospect, how ridiculous was that concern?

"Not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted" – Albert Einstein

by Another son of Mike Smith on May 29, 2009 8:58 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Pretty ridiculous

There is no question that I would much rather have Eric Gordon in my backcourt than OJ Mayo. That’s just one guy.

I agree with the better pieces. But, a motivated Baron Davis will make him far more effective. If Baron Davis can’t be motivated to play with 2 young studs in Gordon and Griffin, there is something mentally defective with him.

If MDsr can’t even figure out how to keep this team pushing up tempo, I don’t know what he can do.

I think a major issue for the Clippers is backup PG. How they fill it may determine how effective their season is.

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on May 31, 2009 11:34 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Heres my opinion

Before the draft, there was the nasty drop in shooting percentage. I began to question if he was finally showing his true colors, or was the fact that he really couldnt handle the pressure.

Aside from that, before he entered the draft, most of his baskets actually came from shooting. He didn’t take the ball much to the basketball. Like everybody, i started to think he could have possibly be the next JJ Reddick. A good shooter, but that was it.

Boy did Eric Gordon prove me wrong. EJ, your the man.

As for Blake Griffin, I also question him. I know he’ll be alright in the league, but I don’t know if he will live up to his 20 10 hype. But, even so, I’m pulling for Blake hardcore. I hate all the criticism he’s getting. GO ROBOCOP!

by JackduhSun on May 29, 2009 10:44 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

karl malone wasn't long...

and neither is carlos boozer or paul milsap.

i am going to go out on a limb and say that i’ll be ok with blake if he ends up like karl malone.

his wingspan is like 2" shorter than eric gordons….

i mean defense is not all about lenght. joe dumars was not “long” and he was a good defender.

reggie miller was long, and was a sieve.

by hans007 on May 29, 2009 6:27 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I'd like to mouth off for a bit

Since I’ve already done so 100 times, I thought I would make Clips Nation as miserable as StR.

Griffin’s lack of length, and the fact he didn’t block shots at Oklahoma in more than enough ample opportunities (don’t tell me about the foul argument—he doesn’t have the instinct for it—it’s obvious) to prove so in 2 different seasons where he was one of the most dominant bigs in NCAA recent history. (Most dominant, in the last 10 years? Yeah, probably.)

Here’s the thing. Spencer Hawes got more blocks total, and per game, than Griffin did in his sophomore season. He doesn’t block shots. That isn’t news.

Here is what is the actual news: The Clippers don’t only benefit from having him around; they can greatly market him because of the things HE DOES HAVE. He rebounds at a ridiculously high rate. He can score around the basket. If Chad Ford’s report on his abilities are anywhere near accurate, he could have a completely versatile and stunning offensive game. The Karl Malone comparisons are potentially accurate.

The Clippers could definitely use that. Griffin could help them become a much better team because of his singular kind of talent. But, because they also have other guys who can bother shots at the rim, it helps them worry less about Griffin’s length. That is a great asset when you’re talking about Chris Kaman and Marcus Camby. Or potentially DeAndre Jordan.

I would be shocked if the Clippers traded away Griffin. But, if they do, it’s because somebody, odds are it would be DTS, lost their mind along the way.

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on May 29, 2009 7:26 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

nice little rant :)

I’m just hoping he can become a better defender. It’s always been his weakness but it’s not like he can’t improve upon it. But at least he’s a solid rebounder like you mentioned. That’s not something to overlook by any means as we were out rebounded almost ever game (though I guess that’s gonna happen when you lose all but 19 games).

I know it effects me a bit but all these reports can easily get under our skin. It’s something we should be used to as Clipper fans. We found things to be happy about in the worst season ever and now we’ve won the lottery and the media still finds something negative to talk about. Some reporters have completely pulled a 180 on the guy they were praising all season long. Honestly didn’t realize how despised we were.

by dulciusEXasperis on May 29, 2009 7:47 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

dulcius

I don’t get it either. I take shots (lots & lots as you can see) at the Clippers organization. And, I’ll be honest, I’m amazed that fans such as yourselves stay faithful to the team. That all being said, that doesn’t mean I don’t respect anyone willing to be a fan of this chronically putrid ownership/front office. It’s their misfortune the way I look at it that they don’t recognize the incredible opportunity they have by owning the Clippers and the only other NBA franchise in Socal. And, yet, DTS is just happy being notorioius. He’s a douche. Clipper fans are not.

You guys aren’t despised. People just don’t get it.

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on May 29, 2009 7:56 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

"You guys aren’t despised. People just don’t get it."

haha probably the nice way to put it ;) Never easy supporting a team like the Clips and it’s even harder explaining why you support them to other people. And yes, Sterling never ceases to amaze me with his ability to hit new lows.

I’m hoping the organization understands how fortunate they are to have landed the number one pick. They must be right? Can’t imagine they’re that oblivious haha. They’re obviously aware of the many GM’s inquiring and mentioning how they’d love to get Griffin and we’ve seen some attempts from Memphis and Oklahoma.

It’s damn near impossible to earn respect amongst the NBA fans but Griffin is our best shot at turning things around. That and the Lakers becoming a worse team the us…..and Kobe leaving for Italy ;)

by dulciusEXasperis on May 29, 2009 8:16 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

LOl dulcius

That was a great last line dude. Rec’d for that alone mayne.

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on May 29, 2009 8:17 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

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