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The Fear of the Unknown - The Clippers Coaching Search That Never Was

Could be worse.  Could be raining.

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Could be worse. Could be raining.

With everyone around here, myself included, deep in the throes of Blake-mania, we've been able to forget, for a while at least, one of the really big issues that was depressing us at the end of the season.  To wit: the Clippers coach and GM Mike Dunleavy Sr. remains the Clippers coach and GM.  (Incidentally, I'm calling for a moratorium on the use of the Dumbleavy moniker.  Not because it's insulting - I can tolerate some amount of rudeness in the name of cleverness.  But it's not nearly clever enough, and not even particularly accurate.  I don't consider him dumb in the least.  I realize that Stubbornleavy, Isoleavy, and Slowleavy don't sound as good.  But you're going to have to come up with something better if you want to use it here, people.)

My own views on the coaching situation went through an evolution over the course of the last couple of seasons, from supporting him through 07-08, to pointing out that his status should be considered in December, to calling for a change in February, to throwing the (NBA history) book at him in April.  But we made it to the lottery without a change, and then the ping pong balls aligned, and that night Andy Roeser left no doubt when he said in answer to my question that Dunleavy would be the coach when the team went to training camp.  So whether we've simply accepted the inevitability of it, or been distracted by Griffapalooza, the coach has been a relative non-issue around here for a couple weeks.

But something happened recently that brings this subject back to my front burner.  And you'll be surprised to know, it's not yet another reason that he should have been fired.

Star-divide

With Jay Triano in Toronto and Scott Brooks in Oklahoma getting the interim stricken from their titles, there were three coaching searches this off-season:  Washington, Philadelphia and Sacramento.  The Wizards acted quickly and got the best coach available (at least the best one to actually sign): former Wolves and Pistons coach Flip Saunders.  Philly and Sacto then found themselves interviewing more or less the same group of candidates: former Wizards coach Eddie Jordan,  Celtics assistant Tom Thibodeau and Lakers assistant Kurt Rambis were in the running for both jobs, while former Suns and Sonics head man and Mavs assistant Paul Westphal was also an option for the Kings.  The Sixers were willing to spend a little more, and ended up with Jordan.  And as of today, Westphal is officially the new coach of the Sacramento Kings.

And this, dear citizens, is the inherent problem with making a coaching change.  There's simply no guarantee that the new guy is going to be any better than the old guy. 

Saunders appears to be a solid choice.  He's had some success in Minnesota and Detroit, and his players have always liked him.  Jordan is in my opinion a good choice as well, and in fact was always my first choice for the Clippers job had it been available.  However, with Saunders reportedly receiving a 4 year, $19M contract, and Jordan getting 3 years and $8M (his first season salary from the Sixers is a little low since the Wizards are still paying him from his last contract), neither would have been realistic candidates in LA, where the Clippers would have still been paying MDsr $11M over the next two years. 

The Kings appear to have been the only team shopping in the Clippers price range.  In fact, most reports indicate that Rambis was their first choice, and it's unclear whether they moved on because (a) he wasn't willing to commit to their 2 year, $3M offer or (b) he simply wanted to wait until after the NBA Finals to decide.  It doesn't seem like an unreasonable request, to wait about one more week at most, when the guy is a little busy with his current job right now.  So that makes me suspicious that Rambis wasn't thrilled with the job for that money.  (There's also a chance that Phil Jackson will retire if he gets his 10th ring, at which point Rambis would be a candidate for the Lakers job.  So yeah, seems like he might want to wait and see how that plays out.)

If the Clippers had fired their coach and conducted a similar coaching search this summer, I would have been happy with either Saunders or Jordan, though neither would have been likely given the price tag.  I would have been happy with Rambis, who I mentioned as a candidate back in December.  I would have been happy with Thibodeau.  Westphal?  Not so much.

What do I have against Paul Westphal?  Well, it's easier if you just go read the FanPost I wrote on Sactown Royalty when he first interviewed for the job.  Suffice it to say that his last head coaching job was at my alma mater, Pepperdine, where he proceeded to run a once proud Waves hoops program into the ground over the course of five seasons.  College coaching and NBA coaching are very different skill sets, to be sure.  But he was terrible - absolutely dreadful - in Malibu.  And I have no reason to believe that he'll be any better in Sacramento.

Citizen Zhiv would say "do nothing" which is what the Clippers did.  Why do nothing?  Because it can always get worse.  Now, that's a lame justification.  "I'm glad they stuck with the lousy coach they have because I don't trust them to make a good choice for the new coach."  But in essentially the exact same situation, the Kings (run by the Maloof brothers and Geoff Petrie, who certainly have a better reputation as decision makers than Donald Sterling and Andy Roeser) came up with Paul Westphal.  So while I still don't think the Duneavy should still have a job in LA, I'm (cold) comforted to know that it could be as bad or worse.

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So Doneleavy and Dunceleavy pass the SP-filter? :p

I keed, I keed.

Stuck in limbo.

by PaperClip on Jun 11, 2009 12:21 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Why does it have to be a risk?

Sitting around doing the same as last year with a roster stacked with talent is not going to get us a better record.

When do coaches suddenly change their whole outlook on the game and then move to a different system. It’s in Dunleavy’s blood to play as he does, and I can’t seem him converting 100% to a new run ethic.

A suggestion. Why not just move Dunleavy upstairs to the GM role for starters. As much as I get frustrated about some of the coaching (or lack of tactics) last season, there is something about MDSr that I like and I think he’s got the best interests of this ball club at heart. I think he’d be better in that GM position and he could concentrate on that 100%. You don’t need to buy him out, just let him run on his existing contract.

You could then give the reigns to Kim Hughes on a season long head coach contract, with the option to drop back to assistant coach if it didn’t work out (from either side).

That way, you get some fresh blood in, with (hopefully) new ideas and you’ve got hardly any financial worries (an increase in Kim’s salary) but the option to drop him back and bring MDSr in as the interim again if it all goes wrong.

MDSr can offer support to Kim using his wealth of experience and we get the sort of continuity that breeds stability but also the best of both worlds. Two guys who can concentrate fully on their positions.

Bingo! Oh me oh my!

by ClippersUK on Jun 11, 2009 3:52 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Well said

Good plan. But MDSr is going to take advantage of his good fortune and play this through. Kim Hughes seems like a solid interim option, but it’s unlikely that MDSr will kick himself upstairs unless the wheels come off.

by citizen zhiv on Jun 11, 2009 7:51 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I highly doubt that MDSr, given his personality, would be able to let another person coach the Clippers without giving in to the temptation of meddling.

But that’s probably a moot point since we all know there’s absolutely no way in heck that he would demote himself.

Stuck in limbo.

by PaperClip on Jun 11, 2009 9:53 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Great post

Great job of laying out the situation and the argument. “Do Nothing” just happens to be the way it is for the time being. It’s worth remembering, however, that change is inevitable, and MDSr’s contract will run out eventually—at the same time that ZBo’s deal is up, correct?

I would note that you could add a couple of historical beats to your overview, mentioning the vagaries of the MDSr tenure prior to “supporting him through 07-08.” The pain of 06-07 probably shouldn’t be forgotten in any discussion like this, and the changes that he brought to the Clippers culture prior to that are also a factor, now that fortune is smiling on him again for this brief moment. The excrutiating pain and suffering of the last three years can’t be forgotten, but it has also led to the moment when SP and the rest of the national media made their way through the doors of the gleaming practice facility to watch Blake Griffin work out before joining a roster that includes high-priced free agent would-be local hero Baron Davis, exciting sophomore Eric Gordon and a number of other talented players. It’s been a hard road and a long strange trip, but there have been big changes and a steady evolution.

And oddly enough do you know what the best case scenario would be? If MDSr got a big contract extension, because that would mean that it all paid off and the Clippers have been successful like never before. What would the threshold for that be? And we know that the Clips wouldn’t rush into it, as they felt they overpaid MDSr last time, the deal was too lengthy, and it has been too expensive to get rid of him.

by citizen zhiv on Jun 11, 2009 8:07 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Overviews...

Those overviews are in the earlier posts that are linked. I didn’t feel like going over that ground again. One interesting tangent, which I think I’ve written about before but which I couldn’t find anywhere, is the issue of the long term contract, what I once called Sterling’s ‘big boy’ contract. When MDsr signed that extension, I hailed it as a major step in the evolution of the Clippers becoming a ‘real’ NBA franchise. Of course, 22 wins in the first two seasons of that contract make it look like a mistake. But it wouldn’t have been a major step if there had been no risk involved. If you hand out big contracts, and everyone exceeds expectations, there’s really no challenge in that. So in fact, it’s what you do when the performance under the big contract is inadequate that shows what you’re made of.

In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd

by Steve Perrin on Jun 11, 2009 8:44 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

4-Downleavy

I think that covers both objectives of a taunting nickname.

"So what are the odds that the Clippers can compete next season given their limited flexibility? Slim and none."

by John R on Jun 11, 2009 8:30 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Rambis

I like the idea of Rambis, loved him as a player, I think he has a good persona to be a great coach. But I dont know a lot about him. Any ideas of what style coach you think he would be. Probably defensive minded? Will he let them run?

by DocD on Jun 11, 2009 8:31 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

O.k. way way off topic, but I've got to post it somewhere (remove if nec.).

  This off season I said I’d renew if my rep. showed any interest in having me re-up. I recieved “one” phone call prior to the draft and “one” e-mail after the draft. Not counting the ones stating my seats had been dropped.

  It was hard not to renew having gotten Griffin and all, but I could’nt justify the expense while keeping BD and Boorleavy (having met him in person I think that’s accurate). Anyhow this brings me to a point where I’m really going to miss the games but really think Dunleavy is going to screw this up. How can he not? Look at his track record.

  For all the believers out there, good luck. I hope the team does well. And if it does, man am I going to wish I had my old seats back.

by eastie Rich on Jun 11, 2009 8:36 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm still waiting on

Firedunleavy to chime in about Dunleavy and about Blake griffin as a failure.

by Qlippers on Jun 11, 2009 9:18 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Don't say it...

Let sleeping dogs lie.

In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd

by Steve Perrin on Jun 11, 2009 9:20 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

i think he was banquished from this site...you can find him at KA's blog though...

Roger Sterling: I bet there were people in the Bible walking around, complaining about "kids today."
Don Draper: Kids today, they have no one to look up to. Cuz they're looking up to us.

by Lawler's Law on Jun 11, 2009 12:31 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Can't say I'd rather have MDsr than Westphal

But, I suppose I’m in justification mode. But, thats why they play the games, right, CS?

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jun 11, 2009 9:39 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I hope I'm wrong - I wish the best for you guys...

He had some real success in Phoenix. And college is completely different (although Shock and Hawes are essentially still in college).

And here’s the thing… if you gave me two choices, MDsr or Westphal, I might take Westphal. But you give me three choices, and I’d likely take the third. As frustrated as I am that the Clippers did nothing, I would have been infinitely more frustrated to make a change, and then make the WRONG change (that actually sums it up right there – should have used that in the original post). But that’s me.

In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd

by Steve Perrin on Jun 11, 2009 9:45 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

We shall see - it will be an interesting year no doubt

No need to rehash this. Except I suppose to bump up the page hits.

by Jax on Jun 11, 2009 9:49 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Would I do that?

In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd

by Steve Perrin on Jun 11, 2009 10:19 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Can I blame it on MDSr?

I think I left that out of some of the recent posts.

by Jax on Jun 11, 2009 10:30 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Definite need to revisit

As we get closer to the draft, something like this has to be documented so we can reference it next year…

by Newtybar on Jun 11, 2009 2:46 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

....my pick

…why not go after Mario Elie. I’ve liked him as a coach and see him as being a very good one, plus being under a fairly low contract for a first time head coach. im warming up to the idea of Kim Hughes. Sam Cassell just started his coaching venture so still may be too green to run a ship

by Takebb909 on Jun 11, 2009 3:42 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

It can get worse ? You mean second worst to first ? I’m not that worried

by andrewexd on Jun 11, 2009 4:31 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

710

I’ve heard Dunleavy interviewed on 710 radio numerous times already this off-season…no doubt he feels the need to restore his image.

He’s getting more interviews probably because of the Blake Griffin hoopla, and he’ll have a better chance of winning games/ succeeding next year because of Blake, but at the same time didn’t our coaching job just get a lot more appetizing?

New training facility, a solid draft last year, and now Blake Griffin? It’ll be interesting to see how this all develops.

by ghost_ride on Jun 11, 2009 4:34 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Keep Dunleavy

I think we need to see what Dunleavy can do with adding Griffin to the mix, and probably moving Kamen or Zbo after July 1st. If the Clipps can start winning then Dunleavy looks good. He certianly knows talent, and has been a good GM. I hope all of the Clipps come to training camp motivated and in shape. Then we’ll see what we have.

by mrbiff on Jun 11, 2009 4:50 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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