Eric Gordon as a PG?
Just trying to find something to put up on the top of the site while SP is down in the Utah canyons. We can only have the Laker congrats up for so long, right?
And until the trade stuff starts to gel, which has already been covered exhaustively, it's all one big rehash, and what else is there to say? In normal circumstances we would be sweating out the draft, running at a high anxiety level, the Clips have the #1 pick and Blake Griffin is the more-than-obvious choice, a lock.
I was looking around at the other top picks, and the landscape has changed now that the Clips will have Blake Griffin on their roster. Chad Ford has finally reconciled himself to the always-obvious idea that the Clips will take Griffin, but no one has mentioned that the Clips trade pieces might net them another draft pick. SP has led the way saying that the Clips shouldn't have any interest in Thabeet, when they already have DeAndre Jordan. Jordan Hill no longer makes sense in any way. It looks as if Baron Davis isn't going anywhere, and we'll get to see if he can return to form. We seem to be focused on a "glue guy," raising the possibility of bringing Al Thornton off the bench. Blah-blah-blah: until the chess pieces start moving, it's all up in the air.
But who, or what, do the Clips go after if they trade for a pick? Backup PG seems to be the obvious choice. Talented and young, able to rise as BDavis falls, seem to be the desireable traits. There's no need to duplicate Mike Taylor either. Taylor is on the small side, quick enough to guard the Tony Parker types who will increasingly give BDavis trouble. Taylor has great energy and can score, but he's not a natural distributor. Rubio is unlikely, but he would be a great fit. The next tier includes Evans, Curry, and Holiday, all good choices.
There does seem to be some overlap with Eric Gordon in guys like Curry and Holiday. And this started me wondering: what do we think of Eric Gordon as a PG these days? His rookie season was so outstanding and satisfying at SG that we might be losing track of some of his potential and an important piece of roster flexibility. Should the Clippers, if they trade for a pick, be precluded from drafting an SG "glue guy" like James Harden? Is Harden a glue guy? Are Curry and Holiday any more likely to be successful at PG than Gordon would be?
I'm a bit haunted by the Westbrook example. The Thunder improved dramatically, and RW himself got much better, when they made Westbrook the starting PG. He didn't flourish in the time he spent at SG prior to becoming the PG starter. And now the Thunder are saying that they don't have any interest in Rubio, because that would mean that RW would be firmly embedded at SG.
Example number two involves Jrue Holiday. I'm a big Howland and UCLA fan, but I think, in retrospect, that Howland made his team much weaker by failing to make Jrue Holiday his second string PG. Holiday was his starting SG, and he had a Senior potential All-American PG in Darren Collison. But in Howland's rotation, Holiday sat down to bring in the backup SG (Michael Roll), and Collison's (limited) backup minutes went to Jerime Anderson. Jrue Holiday played almost no minutes at PG until UCLA was in the tournament. He showed, in a brief amount of time, that he's much better as a distributor and pass-first PG than he is as an SG. The best UCLA attack would have been to substitute for Collison early, rather than Holiday. As it turns out, of course, all of the minutes that Jerime Anderson got were valuable, because he's the only PG on the Bruin roster this year. But the Bruins would have been a better team, and Holiday would have had a much better season, if he had gotten a healthy share of minutes at PG. It was a tricky situation, Holiday was a freshman and Collison a senior. (Btw, Howland did a similar thing the year before, playing KLove, a great college center and an undersized, effective NBA PF, at center the whole year, and reducing the minutes of Lorenzo Mata, and then they were undersized in the Final Four).
Does the same model apply now to the Clippers? Is Eric Gordon the best PG on the Clippers? Should the first sub be for BDavis, with Gordon sliding over to PG?
Let me make the point that just because Westbrook and Holiday weren't successful at SG, while Eric Gordon was very successful, doesn't mean that Eric Gordon can't play PG. Westbrook, in particular, doesn't seem to have any PG skills that Gordon doesn't possess. And the Thunder are passing on Rubio because Westbrook is their PG!
This is fascinating. Of course it's easy to think that Gordon is already an outstanding SG, ready to step forward as a Ray Allen-type player. He's not a Jordan, Kobe, Wade, or a Brandon Roy, because he doesn't have the size, but he can more than hold down the position. But would he be better in the long run joining the conversation about Chris Paul, Tony Parker, Deron Williams, Westbrook? Just wondering.
If the Clippers trade for a second high pick, they take Rubio and you never ask this question. But would you take Harden or Evans? Curry/Holiday? It'll probably never even come up, but just because Eric Gordon had such a sensational rookie season, doesn't mean that his future can't hold some spectacular suprises.
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Interesting question, I say no...
Eric Gordon is a Natural Scorer
My reasoning is this…Eric Gordon was one of the team’s most efficient, if not the most, scorers. Although he can create through dribble penetration, you can tell by watching him that he has that scorer’s mentality and that’s a good thing, especially when you’re doing it so efficiently. Why try to take him out of his comfort zone? Making him the primary ballhandler and distributor would take away from his natural ability to score, which is a burden I wouldn’t want to place on him. He’s a great talent, but why give him any more to think about than he needs? It’s tough to get a scorer to play the point effectively, just take a look at Monta Ellis, Allen Iverson, to name a couple.
Eric Gordon vs. Russell Westbrook
A huge difference between EG and Westbrook, in my opinion, is their outside shooting. Westbrook excels at getting into the lane because he is so quick, but take the ball out of his hands and put him on the perimeter, and of course his game will suffer. That’s like putting Rajon Rondo or Derrick Rose off the ball, in that they can’t consistently hit that open jumper. Eric Gordon is miles ahead in this regard. Through drive and kicks, if EG had the open 3, he most of the time would nail it, and you’re confident in him as a shooter. In fact, I’d say he’s the 2nd best shooter on the team, other than Novak.
Getting back to the draft, I still believe that backup PG is where the Clippers need to look. I think Jonny Flynn would be a great pick for the team. Not only is he a distributing point guard, but he’s a floor LEADER, something this team has been lacking since Cassell left and hopefully a role Baron can better step into next year. I don’t think Mike Taylor is the answer there, he has too much of a scorer’s mentality and sometimes plays way too out of control. A pass first PG would open up Eric Gordon for even more looks and increase his effectiveness. EG’s not the answer at the point.
Agree. Semi.
Your comparisons easily a +’s! Eric is obviously a natural scorer. As for Russel and Gordon, those two are different. Gordon can practically score at will. Russel is a horrible scorer at shooting guard. Converting Eric to point guard might take some time and as the old saying goes “If it aint broke, dont fix it.”
Anyways, I don’t agree on Jonny Flynn. If Clippers can get their hand on a good size pick, say 5th, if James Harden is avaliable, I’d takle him. James Harden is a natural leader in my opinion. What he did for Arizona St. last year was amazing.
BUt aside from that, I see much more talent in Jrue Holiday. Kid was the #1 player coming out of highschool. True, same could go for Deandre. but Holiday was put in the wrong style of basketball. He was a pg playing at the 2.
Even then, Ty Lawson isn’t a bad pick. But why hae Ty Lawson and Mike Taylor on the same team right?
Mike Smith on Eric Gordon: "The Clippers may have found their go to scorer."
On a second note, I want Novak back!
I am definitely a harden fan
I just dont know if he makes sense as a clipper. I was however impressed with his passing ability…I think if you were picking a pg out of Gordon and Harden, Harden would be your man…
That said I am still interested in us making a run for rubio, particularly with the possibility of his stock slipping….After that I’m with you …I think Jrue Holiday could definiely end up being a solid pg
I'm cool with EJ at PG
in spots. Not sure he is the everyday option, unless the Clips can find another shooting guard with some size and ball handling ability to play next to him. And those ain’t exactly a dime a dozen.
EJ reminds me of Mitch Richmond, but I also see a bit of Dwayne Wade. Not sure he’ll ever reach THAT level, but I expect a lot from Gordon.
F-Elton!
EJ is okay at PG
for limited periods of the game. He is good at making the extra pass when being chased of the 3 pt line., but His handles still need work. I would be more comfortable with someone else running the back up PG position. I think Jrue would be a good duo with EJ in the future.
Handles? Negative. PG Vision? Negative.
EG is an SG through and through – he is just missing a couple inches.
His handles are pedestrian for an SG – let alone for a PG and while he has shown some good drive and dish capability it is more as an SG playmaker then a PG controlling the tempo.
I think guys should play their natural positions regardless of stereotypical height/weight expectations.
Likewise goes for Griffin – I don’t like this SF idea.
I agree. Unless it comes naturally to them there's no need to push them to play another position they're not accustomed to.
Eric just doesn’t have PG skills. He can get his own shot and he can get open on the perimeter but controlling the offense isn’t something he excels at nor is it something easy to do in the first place.
Same goes for Griffin at the 3. He may be able to keep up on defense with his lateral speed (though he’ll have trouble guarding the perimeter) but can’t see him succeeding on offense.
by dulciusEXasperis on Jun 16, 2009 6:52 PM PDT up reply actions
Hmm...
I don’t really see it, either. EJ just doesn’t have those passing, vision skills. I don’t think there’s much hope for Mike Taylor in that regard either. He’s more of a change-of-pace type player. Unless he really develops passing skill, I don’t think he’ll ever acquire starter’s minutes at either back court spot.
Has anyone really developed into a first class PG at the NBA level? I mean anyone who needed to pick up more than one essential point guard skill?
Finally, though I’d love to see the Clips pick up another point guard and there seem to be some good ones in this draft, I’m not sure I really see the Clips grabbing another pick. I don’t think they’re going to pony up the 3M for a late first rounder (and another guaranteed contract) and I’m not sure there’s any player they’d want that late anyway. Instead, they’d have to give up a future pick or player in trade for an earlier pick… but they’d have to do that. before the draft. So are you going to give up Chris Kaman or Zach Randolph for a late lottery pick? Or get back that pick in combo with another player? It doesn’t really make sense.
Anyway, a thought-provoking post.
pure pass first point guards are once in a blue moon types.
we had one of those and the guy’s knee exploded unfortunately. I am fairly convinced that rubio is a spanish slow less athletic shorter version of him though.
If anything this draft has a lot of point guards in it, but none of them seem to be pure passing pgs or anything really outstanding. If anything its a ton of gilbert arena’s types in which case we might as well stick with baron or figure out a way to get hinrich.
Actually
I think we might have had one in Jared Jordan! (=
Btw, Hinrich’s not a bad idea, but is anyone up for the idea of Ramon Session? (=
Mike Smith on Eric Gordon: "The Clippers may have found their go to scorer."
On a second note, I want Novak back!
Great Post
One of the things that bothered me about the finish to last year’s season was that Gordon never really got a chance to run the point. When it became clear that the last twenty or so games wouldn’t matter, why wouldn’t Dunleavy experiment a little bit and have Gordon run the show for a few games? He tested the 3 guard lineup among other things, but he never threw Gordon at point.
After watching
how effective Hedo was in the playoffs, I guess it is important to know Ej’s full game. Hedo has terrible handles but he was effective. I’d still keep EJ as a 2 and look a different direction for the 1
tyreke evans...
is a big “pg” combo guard type. I’d like to take him if we got the chance.
I also think a guy the clips should try to get is jodie meeks. he stayed in the draft and should be a 2nd rounder. Might as well take a flyer on him and if need be play him off the bench or with the eric gordon at pg idea.
well
The CLippers dont have 2nd round pick this year. If i remembe correctly, our only pick is #1, which should go to Mr. Blake Griffin.
Are you suggesting we try and trade for more picks? ( I think we should keep our future picks cause we never know what there might be next year.)
btw, i feel bad for whatever team that gets Tyler Hansbrough. I just don’t see enouh talent in the guy. Hard worker downlow though.
Mike Smith on Eric Gordon: "The Clippers may have found their go to scorer."
On a second note, I want Novak back!
ah didnt realize we had no 2nds.
maybe we could trade ricky davis’ expiring contract for someone + a pick. who knows.
Getting a 1st round pick is easy
We can pretty much buy picks from certain teams. The Lakers are obvious, they are way over the luxury tax, are deep (so the rookie would never play anyways) so they save a couple million per year by moving their pick. Other teams who would sell their pick include New Orleans, Sacramento (23rd pick), Atlanta (19th) and maybe even Minnesota and Memphis.
FA in 2010.
by ClipperChuck on Jun 17, 2009 9:34 AM PDT up reply actions
It's easy but will they?
Clips are already over the cap, a pick will cost 3M (the max allowed), and you’re adding salary guaranteed for four years. I’m not sure that’s money well spent, unless you’re shedding salary elsewhere.
i doubt it would cost $3M
i would figure teams would give their picks away especially the teams with low first rounders.
Phoenix sold a pick but it was #7 in the draft (luol deng) for 3 million. That is the warriors pick this year, and that is a jrue holiday or something.
That might even be worth $3 million dollars.
Phoenix for example sold their #21 pick in 2006 (rajon rondo) for basically nothing but a pick in the future and their picks are not as valuable as ours historically, so I’d figure at most it would take a future pick with some top 20 protection or something.
being over the cap is a good thing. it allows a team to use the MLE
and they are 10-14 million under the salary threshold (the luxury tax line)… no need to worry about the clips paying the tax.
I would think the clips shouldn’t have trouble acquiring a pick and they should have the money to do so based on all the little weird deals the clippers made… Cheikh Samb and cash also the Alex Acker and cash deals. I hope the clips took the cash and set it aside to use later on a draft pick.
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FA in 2010.
by ClipperChuck on Jun 17, 2009 5:47 PM PDT up reply actions
If the clippers were smart they would
have some Griffin jerseys made and sell them at the draft party. They would sell like hot cakes.
In Gordon we trust

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