Jefferson-Amare Trade Turned Down
by Rotudo on Jun 18, 2009 11:36 AM PDT
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Looks like the Suns are intent or at the very least willing to talk about moving Amare and his salary. A lot of people thought they were shopping Shaq, but looks like both of them are on the trade block.
Good move IMO by the Wolves to turn it down. Al Jeff is one of the best low post players in the game today, while Amare relies heavily on his athleticism. I think hands down Al Jeff will have the better career.
Here's the article: http://www.boston.com/sports/basketball/celtics/extras/celtics_blog/2009/06/jefferson_stayi.html
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hmm
wow this was a hard trade scenario. Exchanging two big mens who are having success. Kevin McHale practically brought in Jefferson for KG, and so far Jefferson has his upsides. I actually might take Al Jefferson also, but really, you can’t go wrong with both.
(But if I were the Clippers, we might benefit more with Amare’s atheletism because of how atheletic our team can be. Baron, Gordon, Thornton, Griffin.) That’s a fast break team that Amare can excel in. :D
Mike Smith on Eric Gordon: "The Clippers may have found their go to scorer."
On a second note, I want Novak back!
Last thing we need is another PF epsecially one with Amare's terrible attitude and work ethic.
We should be adding guys with better attitudes and strong team mentality. No guys who only care about themselves.
by dulciusEXasperis on Jun 18, 2009 12:15 PM PDT up reply actions
But that is if given the choice of which one
is a better fit for the Clippers. But like i said, can’t go wrong with both!
Mike Smith on Eric Gordon: "The Clippers may have found their go to scorer."
On a second note, I want Novak back!
Does Amare have a bad work ethic?
Hard to imagine he does considering hes come back from 2 serious knee injuries. Looking at hi s stats you’ll see his FT shooting has improved leaps and bounds since he’s been in the league. He may have an attitude issue in te locker room but I havent seen anything to suggest a problem with his work ethic.
FA in 2010.
by ClipperChuck on Jun 19, 2009 8:11 AM PDT up reply actions
The trade also had the Wolves sending the Suns their 6th pick.
Nothing about this trade made sense for the Wolves and I think no is surprised it’s being shot down. Amare would of been gone after the 2009/2010 season anyways. Wolves would of been left with nothing.
by dulciusEXasperis on Jun 18, 2009 12:12 PM PDT reply actions
OMG!!!!!!!!!
let’s trade zBO for AL JEFFERSON
THEN we can trade kaman for Richard Jefferson
and trade Baron for Loul Deng and Kirk Hinrich!!!
and then championship!
uhhh no
we already have a good young PF coming in with the 1st pick, and I don’t think Richard Jefferson and Luol Deng would make us even close to a championship team (and I’m sry if that was sarcasm it is really hard to tell on the internet)
In Gordon we trust
by bestclipfan on Jun 18, 2009 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions
yeah, man. it's all good. it was sarcasm.
i just love when people toss around hypothetical trades, especially those juicy 3 or 4 team tardes! yum. it’s funny. trades are so unpredictable. however, i do appreciate the research of salary situations and all that jazz that some people put into their proposed proposals.
well
I don’t know if your agreeing with me or disagreeing, but KG was getting old. I’ll admit that KG is still good, but for a young Al Jefferson and idk, like 4 others? I forgot who else, I just remember Gerald Green, Theo Ratliff, Sebastian Telfair, and Ryan Gomes.
I mean who got the better deal really? Well, TWolves weren’t going anywhere, (and still can argue that their not going anywhere now either), but I think Wolves got a solid core in return for for KG. Afterall, wolves didnt get Critenton, McKie, and Kwame Brown. Granted though, Boston went on to win a championship, there really isnt alot of help surrounding Al Jefferson. Plus, Al’s a beast downlow.
Mike Smith on Eric Gordon: "The Clippers may have found their go to scorer."
On a second note, I want Novak back!
I think the twolves did pretty well in the kg trade honestly. They ALMOST got rondo in it too.
A lot of why they traded KG was he wanted an extension, which boston gave him at a ludicrous 20 mil a year for 3 more. KG’s contract is 3 years 60 million remaining as of right now. So basically the twolves saved 40 million or so over the length of the kg deal , since jefferson makes just barely over half what kg makes and is young.
THe celtics did it to get that ring but they had a lot of other pieces already. Its not like the twolves gave up a title to get Jefferson. They got a PF for the next 6 years , to trade away being at best the 7th or 8th seed (or not in the playoffs at all with kg)
Also remember the wolves got theo ratliff’s expiring deal whcih saved them money. I mean why throw money into kg on a mediocre to bad wolves team right?
That trade was never “bad”. It wasn’t pau gasol trade bad since at least they got jefferson out of it . I suppose the griz got marc gasol out of it, but he’s not al jefferson good…
The question isn't what they got
But would could they have gotten? They traded away a consistantly top wins producer in the NBA over basically the last decade who had not yet begun to really decline for a moderately above average player who appears to have plateaued.
The number of players with a WP48 over 0.300 is very small and you don’t often win a championship without one. If you give one up, you better get back more than a nice piece, which is all Jefferson is. They weren’t even really on the free agency clock when they made the trade.
And getting Rondo would have made it worth something; ALMOST getting him gets you nowhere…
"So what are the odds that the Clippers can compete next season given their limited flexibility? Slim and none."
Above average?
Al Jeff averaged 23 points and 11 rebounds last season.
You’re kinda reaching a bit by calling him “moderately above average” don’t you think?
Moderately above average is above average
You need to look deeper at those numbers. 23 points is a lot, but not for a big taking 19.5 shots. That’s pretty inefficient for a dude taking shots around the basket. If Kaman was the focus of the offense and took that many shots, he would be scoring 24.5 and giving you one more rebound and one more block per game.
Al Jefferson is good at being an above average big on really terrible teams.
"So what are the odds that the Clippers can compete next season given their limited flexibility? Slim and none."
Is it his fault he's on terrible teams?
KG was on terrible teams too.
More to the point
Al Jefferson didn’t put himself on those teams. He’s dealing with the hand he was dealt. Which is one reason why WIN stats are so unhelpful.
Sorry John R - your post is laughable
Al Jefferson is a great up-and-coming franchise player. KG is on the decline, very expensive, and, as we can see, injury prone.
Having said that, if KG has a WP48 of over .300, how could they possibly trade him!!!!
Kg..
is not injury prone. Respectfully you should, check your facts… until this last year KG has never missed a long period of time. KG will come back and be GREAT next year.
Facts have never mattered to Jax
Save your fingers and time.
"So what are the odds that the Clippers can compete next season given their limited flexibility? Slim and none."
Please
No insults. Here in Clipps nation we should respect one another. We are all just trying to voice our opinions, and yes John R, you have opinions also. Let’s agree that stats don’t reveal everything, and that includes the wp48. What that means is even though stats are on record, its how they contribute that matters.
Mike Smith on Eric Gordon: "The Clippers may have found their go to scorer."
On a second note, I want Novak back!
What would
John R do if he couldn’t denigrate anyone with contrary opinions?
Man, at least check your facts
KG appeared in 57 games this season.
Al Jefferson…50.
Injury-prone indeed.
"So what are the odds that the Clippers can compete next season given their limited flexibility? Slim and none."
Total gift
The Celtics with Garnett were champions, without they were one of just a few victims of the 08-09 Clippers and almost defeated in the first round by the lowly Bulls. (Here’s the secret: the series was “epic” because both teams were about equally bad.)
It was a gift and a total scam. But at least it ruined one year for Lakers fan, so I support the action.
"So what are the odds that the Clippers can compete next season given their limited flexibility? Slim and none."
You sound like Vic the Bric, the C's gave a really good player in Jefferson for Garnett who
was/is getting old pretty fast. There’s alot of miles on his legs and Jefferson was one of a few (or only) player that posted 20 and 10 avg. before the trade. Plus the C.‘s threw in more players in the deal. Minn. wasn’t going anywhere and you have to start over some time. Garnett and McHale gave it their best shot and it wasn’t working.
Care to comment on Gasol for Kwame?
Just curious on your take
I am not disputing how good Al Jefferson is (I personally like his game), but Al was a 16 and 10 guy on a perennial losing team to begin with (Celtics won 45 his rookie year, then 33, and then 27 his last), much like the way ZBo has stuff the stat sheet his whole career on bad teams. Only did Al blossom into a 20ppg guy once he left the C’s and played for another perennial losing team and became the focal point (ie, no Paul Pierce). I wonder if his good looking stats are more a result of him playing on a bad team with bad players versus him just being a beast. I want to say it’s a combination of both, but with more weigh on the bad team part. I would also think that Al on a really good team would be in the 16 to 18ppg and 11rpg range (much like Pau once he got to the Lakers), just because he wouldn’t get as many touches.
Do or do not. There is no try.
which trade in your opinion was more of a gift
gasol or KG?
by cantthinkofagoodname on Jun 18, 2009 3:29 PM PDT up reply actions
Gasol trade by FAR
Look at what the Grizz have to show for the Gasol deal. Sure they got cap room, but who wants to play in Memphis now? Rumor has it that Gays going to bolt when his rookie contract expires as well
exactly
Gasol was gift wrapped and placed on the Lakers doorstep while the Boston Minnesota trade was a young very talented big man and a couple of other pieces for a proven veteran. That is a fair trade. Yes the Celtics won because of it but Mini is now able to rebuild with the pieces they got.
In Gordon we trust
It was a gift
especially since a guy who had been retired for a whole year was included in the trade, just to make it work. Total gift.
Do or do not. There is no try.
marc gasol averaged 11pts and 7rebs/gm as a rookie...
thats not necessarily “gift wrapped”. i think the lakers trade seems so lopsided because it turned them into instant contenders, but memphis got a good, young, cheap piece back in return.
I'm sorry
but you are going to compare an all star F/C with his rookie brother? That doesn’t sound fair to me, does it?
I agree that Memphis did get SOMETHING in the trade, but the something that the Lakers got in return far outweighs anything Memphis got. That’s all. All I know is if I was a GM of any team other than the Lakers or Memphis, I would be mad as hell at Memphis for making this gift-wrapped trade, and at the league office for letting them get away with it.
Do or do not. There is no try.
Furthermore
How much better do you see Marc Gasol becoming? He’s a big man, but he’s not super athletic. I think he’s near or almost at his peak.
On the flip side, Al Jeff is already nearly 20-10 All star candidate and he’s still got room to grow. Maybe more importantly, Al Jeff is someone you can build a team around or at the worst, a great 2nd option. Can’t say the same for Marc.
If you’re giving up an All-star caliber player like Pau, I think you have got to get back a potential All-star player. In this case, Minny succeeded and Memphis failed miserably.
Or how about
MInny failed, and Clippers succeed willingfuly.
Aka sam i am and 1st round pick for Marko Lima and idk. (:
but yes, I think the AL Jefferson trade wasn’t nessairly has bad as people think of it as.
Mike Smith on Eric Gordon: "The Clippers may have found their go to scorer."
On a second note, I want Novak back!
Don't know, maybe time will have to tell
Right now both are unmitigated disasters. Whichever team parlays that which they think they got in trade into something meaningful will have gotten less screwed.
"So what are the odds that the Clippers can compete next season given their limited flexibility? Slim and none."
Sorry but you
can ’t look at the trade in isolation. KG is of little use on a rebuilding team.
Too bad John R's not opinionated
I think he thinks it’s fact.
Your the GM of the Timberwolves and your offered Odom, Brown or Bynum for
Garnett, and your offered Al Jefferson, Gerald Green, Ryan Gomes, Theo Ratliff and Sebastion Telfair for Garnett, which do you take? The Lakers offered Odom who had good stats, but missed 26 games due to injury the previous year along with Bynum (7.8, 5.9) or Kwame (I didn’t bother looking up his stats).
The Celtics offered Jefferson (16, 11), Gerald Green (17.1, 1,7a, 4.2r), Ryan Gomes (12.1, 1.6, 5.6), Theo Ratliff, and Sebastian Telfair (6.1, 2.8, 1.4).
Which do you go with. One good player coming off surgery with one question mark or one bust, or three young solid players, one potential (Telfair) and one throw in (Ratliff)?
Only in Laker land would this be considered a gift to Boston. One MAJOR note, McHale kept his job in Minn. and was trying to improve his club, West was retiring and GAVE Gasol to the Lakers before he quit.
End of discussion.
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