Cleveland for Zach Randolph
by sqrebck on Jun 4, 2009 3:20 PM PDT
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So who would be involved in the sign and trade? This really intrigues me..
http://www.slamonline.com/online/nba/2009/06/rasheed-to-the-cavs/
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by J. Gamble
My sources say that Rasheed Wallace and the Cavs are beginning talks on a two-year deal worth about $10 million per for the services of the former Piston. The move and negotiations were inspired by Dwight Howard’s dominant performance over Cleveland’s big men in the Eastern Conference Finals. And Wallace will be brought in for that very purpose, to neutralize Dwight Howard next season and help the Cavs get over the hump.
This supports what we previously reported about what it will take for Sheed to come back next year.
If this signing falls through, I’m hearing that Cleveland may do a sign and trade with the Clippers for Zach Randolph, which certainly makes sense for the Clippers since they are taking Blake Griffin No. 1 overall.
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i gotta good one
we’ll thow in Eric Gordon with Z BO for LeBron!
But seriously other than LeBron what can they give us for Z Bo? I think if we trade Z Bo or Kaman we need to get a SF. I wouldn’t trade him for just another backup. Let me think about this for a minute. Baron, Thornton, Griffin, Kaman and LeBron!! Tell me thats not a championship team. Maybe the big city appeal?
OK, I'll bite...
First of all, the guy pretty clearly misspoke. Randolph is signed for two more years, so there’s no need to do a sign and trade where he’s concerned. And it’s not like he meant signing a Cleveland player and then trading him, because no one signs a guy for $16M and then trades him – not happening.
So the obvious trade here is Ben Wallace for Z-bo straight up. It gets the Clippers back in the game for 2010 free agency since Ben’s deal ends a year sooner. But that’s it. It would be a bust from a basketball standpoint, unless Cleveland will throw in a pick.
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Addition by subtraction?
Isn’t that what we’re looking for here? Or are you hoping that the Clips get something of value for Z-Bo?
I can’t see any team even wanting him at all, let alone being willing to give up something of value for him.
I’ll take a retiring Ben Wallace for ZBo every day of the week. Can we get rid of Ricky Davis too? Get rid of all the unlikeable guys that Dunleavy has saddles us with in the last year.
It’s hard enough watching this team lose w/o having to hate the players too.
It's an interesting option...
If indeed the option is there.
Look, I think Zach has gotten a bad rap. But trading him for Ben Wallace would be a very good approach. Given the overload in the front court, it’s going to be difficult to find enough minutes for everyone anyway. Then, you could conceivably turn around and deal Wallace’s expiring deal for something you really need.
It depends on how likely you think it is the team can compete at all next season. If 09-10 is all about rebuilding, then you do this deal in a heartbeat and you still have you’re starting lineup in tact (with Griffin starting a little sooner than expected). And you have a gob of cap space for next summer.
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I don't know...
A bad rap? It’s not like he’s gotten into trouble once. It’s been multiple times. I don’t hate the guy or anything, but I don’t particularly enjoy cheering for him either.
I kinda miss the days when the guys on our team were fairly high character and seemed to really just enjoy the game.
Now we have a bunch of talented guys with huge contracts who sit at every opportunity and are hard to cheer for. Yet we lose as often as ever.
I’m hoping with Eric Gordon and Blake Griffin, that will change.
bad rap
Wrong phrase on my part. He deserves his reputation – it is well earned.
But he can play. This is not Steve Francis’ contract we’re talking about. It’s not a massive cap burden AND a poisonous presence AND a useless player. He’s just two out of three of those things, right? The very fact that his name came up here implies that he has some value.
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Personally
I think Cleveland would be more likely to want to trade Ilgauskas’ contract (he has a player option he won’t invoke) than Wallace because Randolph and Ilgauskas do many similar things. It would make no long term difference to LA as both Ilgauskas and Wallace’s contract expire at the same time.
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Is Danny Ferry this desperate?
Seems like a dream and very unlikely.
the logic seems iffy
I not really see either Rasheed Wallace or Zach Randolph being valid answers to getting beasted by Dwight Howard. Both can get you some points, and Sheed’s a good post defender. But there’s no way Sheed can defend Howard giving away that much weight, and obviously you can forget about Zach.
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Sheed
I think Sheed has a history of defending Howard pretty well actually, which is where this rumor comes from. I’ve heard similar talk elsewhere.
Also, it’s not just defending Howard right? It’s having no post presence at all that Cleveland struggles with.
To me, any trade involving Z-Bo is doubtful. I have a hard time believing anyone will want him. I bet the Knicks felt the same way and yet he’s a Clipper. So hey, all it takes is finding the appropriately desperate GM. Maybe Ferry is there.
Ferry might as well trade LeBron to NY right now.
Really? Zach Randolph is going to be the man to convince LeBron to stay in Clevleand?And you’re bringing Zach in… for his defense?
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you really think that lebron doesn't have a say in who goes to cleveland
belive me if zach goes to clevelando lebron would have approve
Which is why the deal doesn't happen
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Why not?
Sure Howard got the better of the Cavs, but the Cavs lack anyone that can score on the interior. One of Cleveland’s biggest problems was that they couldn’t score and we all know Zach can score the ball.
I also imagine that any deal made would be ran by LeBron first. There’s no way they go out and make a move with out consulting him first. I’m guess LeBron would love to the Zach’s fire power.
IF ZBo does get traded
It shows that everyone can be traded for the right price
watch out for cleavland...
everyone likes to talk about 2010, but remember the cavs have 32-37 mil committed with LeBron…
there’s a lot they can do with that….
if LeBron opts out, the cavs still have his bird rights… whats to stop them from signing a max free agent, then resigning lebron for max money? I could be wrong but i think they can do that (the precedent being golden state last year although their guys were RFA"s)
by cantthinkofagoodname on Jun 4, 2009 7:33 PM PDT reply actions
nope
a team can’t go signing other guys to max contracts before signing their own. reason being… their own free agents’ salary counts against the cap unless they are renounced, in which case they will lose bird rights. otherwise, we could’ve easily kept Brand and Maggette while signing Baron, all to extremely large contracts.
i don’t really know the Cavs cap situation, but if they really are miraculously 32M under the cap during the summer of 2010, then yes they can sign a guy to a max-type contract as well as giving LeBron the max. unfortunately, the rest of the team would be garbage for the most part.
Actually...
Z-Bo would be a perfect fit for Cleveland. He’s the one guy that won’t be afraid to pull the trigger every time he touches the ball. With Lebron driving and ditching, Zach should get a bunch of open looks. Cleveland has enough defensive minded guys to help cover for Zach, but none of their guys can step up and hit a shot in crunch time. Zach won’t care. He’ll hoist it up whenever he touches the ball and he’ll be a threat in the post. At the very least, it will give Cleveland two legitimate scoring options, instead of Lebron playing one on five all the time. For us, it’s just addition by subtraction.
uhhh... isnt this "rumor" complete nonsense?
teams and free agents can’t even begin to start talking yet so where are they getting this from? clearly, the Cavs don’t have to worry about tampering, right?
actually
…that seems like one perfect fit for Cleveland. Zach Randolph. Even though it would fit with us getting a player we are letting go, Ben Wallace, them giving a draft pick (which makes it fare), I dont think that will be a popular move amongst the media for Cleveland’s PR status. We would depend on Kaman and DJ for centers then Griffin and Camby for power forwards both positions 3rd ‘stringed’ by Skinner perhaps. Will we play Wallace??
Earlier this week, there was a posting (I believe it was on Hoopsworld) that Wallace said he is seriously considering retiring, and that statement was independent of staying with or leaving the Cavs.
I don’t know how that impacts salary caps, trades, etc. but in my optimistic/borderline delusional state of Clips euphoria, we trade ZBo for Wallace, Wallace immediately retires and foregos the last year of his contract, and we get that cap space freed up.
There might be a million reasons why it would never happen, but isn’t it nice to fantasize about for just one minute…
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by Another son of Mike Smith on Jun 4, 2009 11:25 PM PDT reply actions
Rasheed is perfect for the Cavs
He’s still a excellent defender, he’s a little long on the tooth but he’s a good shooter for a big man and can make wide open shots (something neither Varejao or Big Ben can). He could be Cleveland’s PJ Brown next year.
FA in 2010.
Zach would give them another scoring option
which they sorely need. And LeBron would get him some EASY shots. But I don’t think it solves their problem. LeBron needs a true running mate.
The Cavs need to try and pick up a young player, if possible. They should go after Amare of Bosh with their expiring deals, even on a rental basis.
The sad thing is, they would have advanced had they pulled off the Shaq trade. So if they can’t land a young big, they may look at that.
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I wrote this up myself at Fear the Sword
They were not very receptive of it, although most of the chatter was about my opinion on LeBron"Gate".
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Intriguing. Zbo’s ability to score inside and with his back to the basket is a really valuable commodity. “Countering” Dwight Howard is a question of filling a gaping hole in the Cleveland arsenal, having more weapons around LeBron. He’d be a good fit there, and on a number of other teams that lack a post-up scorer or 20-10 guy, even if he doesn’t play defense.
This is a good sign just for the mentioning of Zbo’s value, and development of a viewpoint where he’s not so wildly untradeable.
It would be funny to see how the Lebron-loving media would suddenly discover so many positives in Zbo’s game. And next year in the playoffs they would be saying “I can’t believe the Clippers let this guy get away!” Completely forgetting his bad rep and the untradeable tag.
Ben Wallace would be an afterthought for the Clips, though his expiring deal would look good. Addition by subtraction works because it clears the way for Griffin to be the obvious starter. And if Griffin does well and the Clippers thrive, they might find a nice FA in the banner 2010 class with their Camby-Wallace money.
I agree
I personally think that Z-Bo would help put Cleveland over the top. The Rasheed Wallace deal would be for defensive purprose, while the Z-Bo deal would be clearly to add offense as opposed to defense.
Z-Bo has great hands and would thrive playing alongside LeBron. He can play both inside and out, he’s good for 20+ per game and can score in the clutch. LeBron would not be forced to go on a 20 of 25 point scoring rampage in order to win the game. Before Voskuhl shove him, he actually made the Clippers look decent. I think we were something like 8-6 or 8-7 in the games he started after he first arrived. That may not sound like much, but that is a great stretch when you only win 19 games the entire season. He’s not the perfect player and has made quite a few mistakes, but he’s not the bad player that the entire basketball world makes him out to be. Cleveland would be the best environment that he will have played in. Portland = Jail Blazers, Knicks = Dysfunctional under Isiah/Clippers East and everyone here already knows the problems we have had. I’d love to see him have the opportunity to excel on a good team, and prove that he is capable of contributing to wins.
by Lawler 4ever on Jun 8, 2009 12:30 PM PDT up reply actions
Makes sense
Does Cleveland really need more defensive help or another scorer? Thinking that Cleveland is -20 when LeBron is on the bench, Zach could be the difference.
But would you want another heartless center? I figure Big Ben would be the traded player, We already have Kaman.
Did you see the ECF ? No way in hell can ZBO guard Rashard Lewis or Turk or Howard. Sure he might be able to score in the post but he’ll give up 3 at the other end. Im not really sure how the Cavs can match up with the Magic. If the Celtics and Cavs are in the ECF then thats almost as bad. Zbo vs. Garnett… What the cavs need is to be able to move the ball and not just give it to LeBron.
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