More Observations from Griffapalooza - Blake Griffin at the Clippers
Blake Griffin Clippers Pre-Draft Workout Interview 2 (via clippers1970)
So what else do you want to know about Blake Griffin's workout for the Clippers today?
Who was there?
Well, lots of people. David Aldridge and Ric Bucher were both there. Lang Whitaker (he of the funny moths joke) was there from SLAM magazine. Kelly Dwyer from Yahoo! Ball Don't Lie was apparently there based on the fact that he's already posted on it (more on that later) but I did not see him, which is too bad because I would have liked to have talked to him. Solange Reyner was covering for the AP. Dave McMenamin of NBA.com was there, though he hasn't posted on it yet as I write this. Ken Berger was also there, and has already posted about it on his CBSSports.com blog. For local media, Michael Eaves was there from FSN. Lisa Dillman was there from the LA Times. Ramona Shelburne was not there, which was a bit disappointing, but she was working on a story on Lamar Odom. I actually spent quite a bit of time talking to the USC journalism student who is interning at the Daily News who was covering it for them (in fact, he's now the latest citizen of Clips Nation). And Ralph was there accompanied by Sweet Jo. Obviously there were lots of other media people there, but you get the idea.
And then there were the VIP season ticket holders and sponsors. A few came with their kids; only Matthew Lillard was famous. But that aspect of the workout had not been public knowledge (at least I didn't know about it) and I was a little surprised by it. More on that later.
How did Griffin look?
You can read my comments in the thread that was active while I was there for the details but it's pretty easy to sum up. His physique and athleticism are mind boggling. There are precious few humans who can get that much body that high in the air. His jump shot, on the other hand, was incredibly ineffective today. In a one-on-zero drill, there are plenty of 40 something schlubs playing pick up ball at the local gym who would make more shots. And it's not just that the ball wasn't going into the hoop. He's got a hitch in his free throw stroke, he shoots his jumper on the way down, and he tends to jump backwards. All of this can be fixed - but the fact is that it's a little broken right now.
But I want to point out that this guy averaged almost 23 points per game at Oklahoma last season, shooting 65% from the field. He shoots how he shoots currently and he's shot a lot better than he did today in plenty of workouts. Regardless, he was a dominant force on offense in college. So let's be clear - he's going to be a great pro even if he doesn't get a jump shot. If he DOES get a jump shot, he's going to be unstoppable. And he seems pretty determined to work hard and improve.
Both Dwyer and Berger hinted that he looked more like 6'9" to them. I'm not sure what that's about. I mean, he was just measured last week, and assuming he hasn't shrunk since then and that the official draft combine has the technology to accurately measure people, he's 6'10" wearing shoes (which he was). He was however only the second tallest person in the gym, but Kim Hughes is listed as 6'11", so that's cool.
Any interesting stories from being there? Any brushes with greatness?
Matthew Lillard asked me how tall Blake Griffin was. I said I'd tell him for a Scooby snack (just kidding, I told him).
Ric Bucher asked me how to spell chauffeur, apparently sensing that I speak French.
When I introduced myself to McMenamin, he asked if I was worried that Blake shot so poorly. So, yeah, it was noticeable. If you haven't watched the videos from the workout, you can see for yourself. The portion of the interview I've embedded above has him talking about his shooting. Oh, and that's yours truly asking him if Fred Vinson talked to him about his mechanics.
As I mentioned in an earlier post, I got to speak with shooting coach Vinson, who was one of the primary participants in the actual workout. Fred said pretty much what I expected about his mechanics - he's shooting on his way down, which is causing the shot to be flat, which is making it inconsistent.
I did not get a chance to introduce myself to Ralph Lawler, which is too bad. Ralph made a quick exit just before Griffin was finished answering questions, so I missed him.
After things had calmed down a little, I introduced myself to Andy Roeser. You may recall that Roeser and I are neighbors in east Long Beach - I mentioned that to him, and lo and behold we discovered that about 18 years ago we lived on the exact same street, less than a block away from each other! Here's the other surpise: when I told him who I was, he immediately started talking to me about the post I wrote on Clipper trades last week - Andy Roeser reads Clips Nation! (Come on Andy, stop lurking - register and start commenting!) He actually was pretty convinced that I had the Lamond Murray trade wrong, that the Clippers got more than just Derek Anderson. But when he pulled out his files, he didn't come up with any evidence to prove me wrong (the idea of Roeser trying to find the 'gotcha' on ClipperSteve is quite pleasing to me). So then I asked him citizen swamigusto's question about the Bison Dele trade - was Dele for Elmore Spencer truly a separate deal as it seems in the trade database, or was it tied to the McDyess draft day trade? He didn't remember those transactions being linked... so probably not. Sorry swamigusto.
As I was talking to Roeser, Griffin walked by. Andy introduced me to him and we shook hands (his engulfed mine). I asked him a little about his acquaintance with EJ and DJ - he talked about playing in the McDonald's All American game and the Jordan Classic with them. Seems like he's pretty tight with DeAndre, who is helping him look for a place to live.
Oh yeah, and Roeser told me to tell you guys not to worry - they're not trading the pick.
What are people writing?
I linked most of these above I think, but here's the list of links so far.
- Clippers.com (this link includes excerpts from the Q&A sesssions)
- Ralph Lawler's blog on Clippers.com
- Lisa Dillman, LA Times
- Kelly Dwyer, Ball Don't Lie
- Ken Berger, CBS Sports
- Howard Beck, New York Times
- Solange Reyner, AP
On the thread earlier today, citizen Hooch20 asked a great question: "do you think the Clips did the right thing by letting everyone attend or is this turning into a media circus." The truth of the matter is that most of the stories are very positive - and we likely wouldn't have gotten some of those at all had this workout not been held in this manner, during the Finals. Beck went so far as to call it "a great public-relations move."
But Dwyer is quite the sharp tack. His post captures the 'off-ness' of the whole thing - and he's right, it was a little off. It would have been weird having the guy working one-on-zero in front of just media - but trotting him out in front of season ticket holders and sponsors, before he's even on the team, seemed a little much. Having said that, it's hard to blame the organization for wanting to make hay on their ping pong ball windfall. It doesn't matter a ton whether Kelly Dwyer is put off (KD is already plenty put off by Donald Sterling). The risk of course is that Blake Griffin wanted to be neither the dog nor the pony in this show. Then again, he could be flattered by the literally unprecedented amount of attention he was given prior to the draft. So I have to say that I think the inclusion of fans and sponsors was a mistake, but on the whole it was a good day for the organization.
If nothing else, the national media got to see the new training facility. And let's face it, as much as anything, that facility is what says "These are not the same old Clippers."
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Excellent coverage of the workout Steve.
It’s great that you get in to these kind of happenings and situations getting more legit inside the organization and as an writer. For us – readers and fans -It’s like having a representative and a friend there in the middle of where it’s all happening.
Now that you know that Andy Roeser reads ClipsNation, it’s maybe easier to believe that "the guy with no name" once talked about the improved Kaman as Kaman 2.0 after reading the blogg.
Blake looks really good.
by Marten on Jun 7, 2009 7:54 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
come on Andy register we don't bite... much
but really good job with the coverage lets hope they remember you and continue to give you access.
In Gordon we trust
by bestclipfan on Jun 7, 2009 8:35 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe he's already registered.
Maybe he’s here among us. Maybe he’s… hmmm… I have some ideas.
by swamigusto on Jun 7, 2009 9:12 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jax?
In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd
by Steve Perrin on Jun 7, 2009 9:12 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Upon reading this reply, I practically spit out my coffee. Nice.
"Not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted" – Albert Einstein
by Another son of Mike Smith on Jun 7, 2009 9:57 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have a feeling it is John R
he has probably been busy which explains why he hasn’t been around as much
In Gordon we trust
by bestclipfan on Jun 7, 2009 11:45 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nope...
I have been very critical in the past. But he’s Steve Perrin’s BFF.
by swamigusto on Jun 7, 2009 10:13 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The practice facility...
I’m figuring I’m pretty much like everyone else here and haven’t seen it… and other than the Clips calling it, “state of the art”, and Griffin saying he was impressed I’m not at all sure what it’s like. A great big double gym with a big weight room and offices? Or something more?
I’m not a great researcher, but I’ve got to figure out that Brian Williams trade. Who else has been around as long as Andy Roeser? Only Ralph I guess. Anyone with an email for Ralph? Is he on Twitter or Facebook?
And what’s up with Roeser “pulling out his files”. Clipper Steve was in Andy Roeser’s office? He’s your new best friend?
by swamigusto on Jun 7, 2009 9:11 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Sorry...
He put out his files after he read the post and referred to it while we were talking… he didn’t do it right there, and no I wasn’t in his office. But we are definitely going to start hanging out at the Starbucks.
In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd
by Steve Perrin on Jun 7, 2009 9:14 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ralph on Facebook
Here you go. It’s posted on the Clippers.com web site, so I’m not betraying any trust here.
In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd
by Steve Perrin on Jun 7, 2009 9:39 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ralph reports back!
I might be the only one who cares about this, otherwise I’d make it a fanpost, but the great Ralph Lawler responded to my message (rather quickly too) in regard to my memory of the Brian Williams (Bison Dele) trade:
C. swamig: …I remember that the trade for the draft rights to Antonio McDyess included the rights to Brent Barry, Rodney Rogers, and Brian Williams (Clips also shipped out Randy Woods and Elmore Spencer). Others remember the Brian Williams (nee Bison Dele) for Elmore Spencer part of the deal as being entirely separate. Can you shed any light on this?"
Ralph Lawler: 2 separate trades. On draft day it was the rights to McDyess and Woods to Denver for Rogers and Barry.
2 1/2 months later, Elmore Spencer to Denver for Brian Williams"
Okay, so maybe I was wrong. Still doesn’t make sense though.
by swamigusto on Jun 7, 2009 4:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Andy Roeser
Steve I’m still laughing about this one. Awesome coverage I felt like I was there. What are the chances DS has taken a look or two?
by MarekTheBrave on Jun 7, 2009 9:14 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
question.
I thought the Clippers were going to doing a q & a w/some of the fans questions through the website on saturday. does anyone know anything about that? was it canceled?
by Takebb909 on Jun 7, 2009 9:19 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I was just wondering the same thing...
They did say they were going to do that. I’m guessing that, if it’s happening, Dena from Communications took the questions and asked him separately and they’ll post them on the web site. They have a slight problem in that they suddenly have so much material, and they don’t have that much front page space at Clippers.com.
In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd
by Steve Perrin on Jun 7, 2009 9:23 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Amusing
Great report. Our baby startin to gets hisself all growed up.
The Roeser news is quite comical. He looked good at the lottery, and my friend who is a longtime high-end STH apparently talks to him quite often. At first glance, it makes a lot of sense that he is familiar with ClipsNation: his job is the Clippers, and he has actual professional reasons to keep track of what fans and bloggers are thinking. And the strong semi-professional (in a good way) status of CN and SP mean that he would have reasons to return, perhaps even regularly.
That’s the question: how deep is Roeser’s familiarity of this site? Does it influence his thinking at all? Is it purely a barometer of fan feelings? What’s the tolerance for Dunleavy bashing?
There’s no way to know, I don’t suppose. But the Starbucks sessions could yield some interesting fruit.
by citizen zhiv on Jun 7, 2009 9:22 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Hard to say...
As you say, it’s not surprising that a person whose job is the Clippers would be reading a web site with 70K page views a month dedicated to the team. It would almost be weird if they weren’t taking some time to check in. But we still get surprised and amused by it, simply because we just think of CN as our little world (and I’m not using the royal we, I mean all of us). The guys at 3QC tell a story about talking to the Magic’s TV announcing team and finding out that they read the blog quite regularly – but again, why wouldn’t they?
As for Roeser it was one brief conversation, but he certainly read that trade post pretty carefully. And he knew the MY name, not just Clips Nation. I said, “I’m Steve Perrin” and he immediately said “Oh, you wrote that thing about Clipper trades last week.”
In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd
by Steve Perrin on Jun 7, 2009 9:29 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Clip coaches read this site as well...
Last year I scored some VIP tix and went to a Q&A before the game with one of the assistant coaches (I can’t remember which one). We were able to submit questions in advance, and I asked whether the coaches read sites like Clipsnation. To my amusement, they chose the question as one to ask the assistant during the Q&A, and he basically said yes, they do check out the sites for feedback. Perhaps he was being nice and doing some serious bs’ing, but that was his reply and this was during the middle of last season.
"Not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted" – Albert Einstein
by Another son of Mike Smith on Jun 7, 2009 10:02 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
why haven't you shared this story before?
Did you not suspect that we might be interested in this?
In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd
by Steve Perrin on Jun 7, 2009 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Honestly don't recall.
I was incredibly busy at the time with work, so I might have just spaced on it. I might not want to have posted something like that only to be criticized for tooting my own horn (they answered MY question!) at the time. Now I know that people criticize one another on this site for no good reason all of the time so I don’t let it affect my posting choices any longer.
All of that said, there is a tiny part of my pea brain that thinks I might have posted something about it at the time. I don’t know if you have the ability to look it up, Steve.
Re: coach, it wasn’t Kim Hughes. Perhaps if you said the name, it might spur my memory.
"Not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted" – Albert Einstein
by Another son of Mike Smith on Jun 7, 2009 1:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Assistants
Jim Eyen, Rory White, Neal Meyer, Fred Vinson… I’m guessing it was Eyen – he does that sort of thing more than the others.
In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd
by Steve Perrin on Jun 7, 2009 6:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Whoa...
70,000 page views a month? No idea it was that high.
by swamigusto on Jun 7, 2009 10:16 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Griffin's shot
Not too concerned. Shooting is often the last feature of a player’s game to develop. It is the part of the game that can be taught, unlike athletic ability.
If Griffin is anything like me (I know it sounds funny), sometimes I shoot better coming out of a move with a real defender in front of me than I do with just the hoop and a ball and 100+ onlookers with laptops and cameras on me. Perhaps that is what’s going on. He knocked down plenty of 12 footers at OU for me not to be worried.
F-Elton!
by mikey p on Jun 7, 2009 9:26 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Really?
“sometimes I shoot better coming out of a move with a real defender in front of me than I do with just the hoop and a ball and 100+ onlookers with laptops and cameras on me.” How much experience to you have with that 100+ onlookers situation? Sounds like a pretty small sample size.
In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd
by Steve Perrin on Jun 7, 2009 9:30 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol
You mean you didn’t get out on the floor and show MDSr your skills after Blake was done?
by johnnyoc21 on Jun 7, 2009 11:01 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It just feels like they're there
But seriously, you see it all the time in games. If a guy is TOO wide open, he bricks it, because he is thinking about it, etc. Griffin knocks ’em down sufficiently in game action.
F-Elton!
by mikey p on Jun 8, 2009 9:32 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
just teasing...
I get it. Look, I was there. It was weird. And it clearly got into his head. Early in the workout, he was shooting poorly, but he wasn’t terrible. As his frustration level grew, the shot got worse and worse. He was thinking about it rather than playing. MDsr said it in his comments – the things BG does best, like compete and beat people, don’t show up in 1 on 0.
In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd
by Steve Perrin on Jun 8, 2009 10:33 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
this story is just awesome
that is all.
by cantthinkofagoodname on Jun 7, 2009 10:54 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2LgBkdzoXY
elie sachback’s video.. you can see a bit of the dribbling and you can see ralph and eaces for a second
by andrewexd on Jun 7, 2009 11:55 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
You can see the entire workout pretty much on youtube
Its split into 7 or 8 parts but you can see his jumper isnt too bad, he’ll be able to make the mid range jumper with consistency. Shows a nice touch off the backboard as well.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5PuWpT0AzwE&feature=related
Just watch the related videos for the entire workout
FA in 2010.
by ClipperChuck on Jun 7, 2009 2:45 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
anyone see the clippers commercial during the finals ? I didnt see the begining i saw the end where it says “see the #1 pick in action” and the clippers logo + Tele #
by andrewexd on Jun 7, 2009 5:58 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Saw it...
it showed Yao, #1 2002, LeBron #1 2003, Howard #1 2004… and then it said something like, “we can’t say who the number 1 pick will be, but we know what uniform he’ll be wearing.”
In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd
by Steve Perrin on Jun 7, 2009 6:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nice of them to leave out Bargs, Olden, and Bogut.
by PaperClip on Jun 7, 2009 6:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah left out Rose too
guess there is still hard feelings about EJ and rookie of the year.
In Gordon we trust
by bestclipfan on Jun 8, 2009 1:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Very nice reading
and once again, our fearless leader delivers. Keep it independent SP, don´t let them fool you with all the food and the circus.
by edu_argentina on Jun 7, 2009 8:44 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

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