Some Possible Trades

by ClipperChuck on Jun 9, 2009 11:15 AM PDT Comment 24 comments

Rumor is if the Cavs can't land Rasheed Wallace for 10m/2years then they could be after Zbo. We can get back Big Ben and Pavlovic's expiring deals if we also throw in Ricky Davis. This is essentially addition by subtraction. Big Ben might retire, and I think if he gets traded to us for sure he will retire. Getting rid of Ricky is good for team chemistry. Pavlovic is a solid role player, he's young and playing for his next contract, he could possibly even be glue guy and if he isn't, well the damage is mitigated with his expiring deal.

New Depth Chart

SG - EJ, F Jones, M Collins

PG - Baron, M Taylor

C - Kaman, Camby, DJ

PF - Griffin, Camby

SF - Pavlovic, Thornton, M Collins

Wizards

They are rumored to be moving their 5th pick for immediate help. We can trade them Kaman and our future Minnesota 1st round pick for the 5th pick and matching contracts (Songalia and Etan Thomas for instance). We could draft a young PG prospect for our trouble.

What are some other deals out there that would work for us?

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Hmm

I ditched school to sleep in, but see myself lurking back at Clips Nation. Well, to begin, the Wizards don’t have much for us to take. What is left at the 5th pick? For sure that RIcky Rubio and Hasheem “The Dream” Thabeet will be gone in the draft. I say that the next 2 will be James Harden and Brandon Jennings will go also. ( The last two are the questionable picks.) Just a mock pick. Then what’s left is Tyreke Evans, Ty Lawson, or Stephon Curry.
I like Curry, but he’s a waste at fourth pick. I don’t see him working well with Dunleavy’s offense, and especially a team where it will limit his selection in touches for shots. Afterall, Curry was the star on his team because noone else was good at that team.
I like Ty Lawson, but we don’t need another player that plays a little like Mike Taylor. While people will argue with me, I think that Mike Taylor and Ty Lawson’s game is very similar. Who’s more talented is the place to argue.
Tyreke Evan is just not needed on the team. I don’t know where he would fit in.

If, James Harden falls to fourth. I’d pick him. Done deal. I just don’t see it happening.

So i DONT think the Clippers should aim for the fourth pick. BUT! I would do a Caron Butler and 5th pick for Griffin and 1st pick.

Argu agastin me, but we get a proven scorer and one of the best defenders in the NBA. I always hear about Steve’s glue man theory, so why not Caron? I know all the Clipps fan is cherishing the idea of Blake, but let’s also remember that we don’t need him. ’

As for the deal with Ben Wallace, I don’t know if I would take it. Sure, we want to relieve ourselves of Randolphs contract. But please, we don’t want to be like the knicks and let go of Cuttino Mobley and Tim Thomas. I want some value in return for Big Zach.

But hey, lets make a push. Bosh in Clipps uniform! (: ( wont happen, but its worth a dream.)

by JackduhSun on Jun 9, 2009 11:39 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

SORRY, I meant

KAMAN or Randolph and a 1st pick( Blake Griffin)

by JackduhSun on Jun 9, 2009 11:41 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

makes no sense

NBA is about having star players. Although Butler is good, the only potential perrenial all-star in that trade is Griffin. I know you can never say for sure, but Griffin is gonna be good for a long time. Huge drop off to the #5 pick.

by DocD on Jun 9, 2009 12:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Same reason that got us killed

in the first place. Let’s throw in a nucleus of stars. Let’s add Baron, Camby, former stars in Ricky Davis, great scorers like Zach Randolph, etc. Nba is NOT about getting all the stars possible, it’s about team chemistry and how well they play together.

Reality is, the only thing we lose is Butler. We won’t be missing Kaman’s injury plaque game.

Hell since when is Caron Butler not an all star? Caron was an all star in 2007 and was in it in 2008( but broke his hand forcing him to sit out.)

Saying Butler isn’t an all star is like saying Joe Johnson is not an allstar. Truth is, they average similar stats. They play differently, but it’s a matter of what your team is in need for. I think that person would definitley be Caron Butler.

by JackduhSun on Jun 9, 2009 1:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

CRAP!

I seriously gotta proof read my postings before i post them.

" Reality is, the only thing we lose is Griffin."

by JackduhSun on Jun 9, 2009 1:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

sorry, but caron butler is not in the .1 % of players

in this league dunleavy would trade for. lucky for us, YOU are not our GM, cause that it a horrible trade….caron butler is a injury-plagued 29 year old who’s lucky to have three years of relevance left in this league. blake griffin on the other hand has the potential(and work ethic to match) to be the best PF in the league for the next decade. again, horrible trade.

by krapper11 on Jun 9, 2009 2:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

the final four

lakers, magic, cavs, and nuggets… or in other words, kobe, lebron, carmelo and dwight howard. All of which are probably 1 or 2 at their positions. My point is that you need to have a star to win a championship. I agree you also need chemistry, but thats what leadership brings, both of which you would get rid of if you traded Griffin. He will be a star and a leader

by DocD on Jun 9, 2009 4:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I'll admit that

Caron Butler is full of injuries, but his upsides are a pure definite. I think you guys give Caron way too little credit for what he’s worth. As for three years left, that could be true. I’ll give you that. But if we want to win now, we need to focus on something fast. EG and ZBo is practically the only scorers. Bdizzle seems a bit lazy. Kaman has slippery hands. Thornton needs to play aggressive. If the Clippers continue this trend, it won’t go anywhere. Caron still shoots roughly 45%. Shoots 90% from the line. (85 this year.) And is a GREAT defender. No questions asked.
I will admit that I didn’t focus my attention on the games played by Butler.

However, i still do NOT believe its a horrible trade as you proclaim.

Anyways, Doc, theres a difference in two of the four teams you talked about. Without Billips, Nuggets wouldnt have gotten that far. Same probably goes for Chauncy. It was a strong team with a great core. Chauncy, Melo, JR, Nene, Kenyon. We’re talking about a team where every position has a great upside.

In magics, they have Dwight. A force inside. Then tehres Rashard and Hedo. Great outside. OBVIOUSLY, Magics are playing TEAM offense. Most of the plays you watch from the Magics, ( besides Hedo’s cluth last minute shots) will probably consist of sharing the basketball. Can’t score inside because of the double team? Thats fine, that means someone else is wide open for the three. Hedo, Pietris, Rafer/ Nelson, or Lewis. Pick your poison.

I guess what you mean is that stars are needed to win. Its true, but it’s not just one man. Same can go for Durant. Durant is going to need some help.

I dont know how to explain it, but I think that the Clippers need a dominant all around post player. I hope Blake can develope great D. If Blake can turn into our go to guy, (like BRAND), we can be one of the best attacking/ aggressive offense.

Mike Smith on Eric Gordon: "The Clippers may have found their go to scorer."
On a second note, I want Novak back!

by JackduhSun on Jun 9, 2009 10:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

We aren't focused on winning now...

…go to the playoffs once and then drop off into oblivion again? No thanks.

We have a good youth movement going on…EJ, DJ, AT, MT, and now BG…that’s all five positions we are developing.

BG is the missing piece.

You are going to throw that away for a short term run?

I’ll be happy with solid, fun basketball..maybe make a run at the playoffs and be ecstatic if we make it in.

by Newtybar on Jun 10, 2009 9:36 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Jack

I mostly agree with all that you say. My point comes down to the fact that Griffin could be the star guy for the Clips, and if he brings the leadership he will also be the glue guy that fixes the chemistry. Its still a maybe, but he’s gonna be good. Definitely should develop into a better player than Brand. And the reason Billups brought success to Denver was his leadership, not because he was just the missing piece.

by DocD on Jun 10, 2009 10:41 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I wish

that we start focusing on winning now. Truth is, it’s hard to focus on the future if Donald T. Sterling continues to be cheap.
I think thats what has Clipper Nation confuse. Do we rebuild for the future or do we win now. At the beginning of the season, our hopes were so high of going to the playoffs.
Now we say that Blake is our future go to guy. I like Blake, I really do. But I, like all us other Clipper fans, really want to shut the critism up. But by doing so, we really have to win.
Steve is right, to trade the first pick, we need to get something big in return. I just hope that Blake can live up to the hype.

Anyways Doc, completely agree with Billup. Iverson wasn’t a leader. He was the CAnswer. Terrific player, but needed to show leadership.

As for devloping better than Brand, I really hope so. Brand was a great player from Duke. Brand had great D coming out of college. (I think his 7’0 wingpsan had something to do with it.) I’m hoping that Blake Develops great D, or else we just might have a Boozer/ Randolph guy on our hands. Great offensive weapon but defnse is a bit shaky. ( Please don’t bash me on this, I’m just hoping the best for Griffin.)

Hey, but honestly, I’m still up on the idea of Caron Butler. Can’t we just let go of one of our postmans and maybe even a futur 1st round pick? (maybe Minnesota?)

Mike Smith on Eric Gordon: "The Clippers may have found their go to scorer."
On a second note, I want Novak back!

by JackduhSun on Jun 10, 2009 8:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

i think sterling has stop being cheap

i mean baron, randolph they are really bargains.

by XXDC2XX on Jun 11, 2009 4:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Sorry but we don’t have any stars. Baron is borderline but its like shawn marion without Dantoni and Nash.

by andrewexd on Jun 9, 2009 4:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

LOL

Touche. I sadly have to agree with that.

Maybe if Dunleavy can turn into a bit more like Don Nelson, we might have him running again. (:

Mike Smith on Eric Gordon: "The Clippers may have found their go to scorer."
On a second note, I want Novak back!

by JackduhSun on Jun 9, 2009 10:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

if we do that, we lose randolphs scoring, which we need because he is the only post presence, and thornton would have to start because hes better..but i donno

by ClipperMyth on Jun 9, 2009 11:40 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

I wouldnt put griffin in that deal...

But I actually really like the idea of Caron Butler coming to the Clippers. In addition to being a terrific scorer, he is a very good defender, rebounder, and passer (hes also a top 25 free throw shooter).

Washington is getting Gilbert Arenas back, and they definitely want to be competitive in the eastern conference. They are definitely missing a presence in the middle, which is going to hurt them come playoff time. I would dangle Camby and the Minny pick. Washington gets a defensive center and an elite rebounder, a draft pick, and some cap space in 2010. If that doesn’t fly I would make it Camby and Thronton (I really like thorton, I just think Butler makes us better right now…but i would really love to have them both).

Other than that I would love to see the Clippers trade for Rubio…And I wouldnt be afraid to use future picks to do it (or any other good trade for that matter). With Griffin, EJ, Thronton, and potentially a guy like rubio…those picks are probably not going to be needed all that much (relatively speaking). Plus, with the talent we have those picks shouldnt be in the lottery anyway.

by johnnyoc21 on Jun 9, 2009 3:33 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Caron is awesome and underrated (and injury prone)

I wouldn’t trade BG but if we could get him for one of the bigs I’d do it in a second.

by Jax on Jun 10, 2009 11:45 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Caron would be a great fit...

as long as Blake Griffin is staying. Him or Prince for one the bigs would be great. Although he is injury prone, Caron is young enough still, and should have some great basketball still ahead of him.
I still don’t know why the Lakers gave up on Caron so early…and to trade him (and Atkins) for Kwame Brown (and LaRon Profit)!! Man, I am sure the Lakers want a do over on that trade.

Do or do not. There is no try.

by Clip Show on Jun 10, 2009 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Not really...

I don’t think they’d do that trade over again, because it did net them Gasol, which turned them into championship contenders.

'Cause how you play, is how you'll be remembered. PLAY LOUD!

by CLiPPz WeRD 12 on Jun 10, 2009 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I gotcha...

but a lot of things happened between them getting Kwame and then the NBA handing them Pau, so I am not willing to connect the dots so directly. Plug in Butler for Ariza on this current roster and they are set for the next 5 years. Hell, they might have even beaten the Celtics last year with Butler. As it stands now, they are over the cap next year and will most likely only have either Ariza or Odom back, but not both and maybe even neither. All in all though, I think it would be hard to say they would NOT want a redo of that trade knowing now that they traded away an All-star for basically nothing. That’s all.

Do or do not. There is no try.

by Clip Show on Jun 10, 2009 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

the gasol miracle trade...

was a “miracle” luck trade.

I mean they basically gave them gasol. Based on the fact that it was a giveaway, you’d think the lakers would have found a way otherwise if they had similar “luck” even if they kept caron butler.

the shaq trade honestly looks great on paper now. Shaq is STILL on his miami contract expiring next year, while the lakers got lamar, caron butler and the earlier expiring brian grant contract (and a 1st round pick ) that turned into jordan farmar.

The kwame trade honestly was stupid. The shaq trade was brilliant. THe gasol trade I am not going to give laker management any credit for. I mean , ANY GM would have made that trade , it was pure stupidity by the grizz. At least caron+lamar+pick for shaq at the time, was something that was up in the air as to who “won” that trade (and everyone said the heat, and they did win a championship so maybe everyone won there)

by hans007 on Jun 11, 2009 2:32 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Actually...

Shaq isn’t on his Lakers contract, the Heat extended him (kind of have to after you just traded half your roster for him) for alot of money.

I think the Lakers did pretty well on the trade (although I would’ve traded Kobe for Rashard Lewis and Ray Allen instead). They blew it by trading Butler for scraps but it worked out with the Kwame hell mary, which illustrates how important cap management is and why we’d be so much better off with Tim Thomas and Cat Mobley’s expiring deals than with Zbo’s bloated contract right now.

FA in 2010.

by ClipperChuck on Jun 11, 2009 4:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs