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Don't Expect July Fireworks From the Clippers

Last July was the most eventful month in the history of this blog in the midst of the most active month in the history of the Clippers franchise.  The level of activity, from June 30th when Elton Brand and Corey Maggette each opted out of their Clipper contracts and Baron Davis opted out of his Warriors deal, until July 31 when LA signed free agent Brian Skinner, was dizzying.  It was also, in hindsight, foolhardy.  The Clippers began the season with only five players from the year before, and by January were down to only two (only one who was playing, since Kaman was hurt so much) and the unprecedented roster turnover was at least one reason that the team chemistry was so poor (or at least that's one of the excuses du jour we've heard from the organization).

So don't expect a lot of early July activity from the Clippers this season.  For one thing, they'll be peddling a 'stability is a virtue' storyline in the wake of a 19 win season - something like "We changed 12 out of 14 players and had a terrible year - if we keep 12 out of 14 players, we'll have a good year."  Of course, it's not quite that simple, but one can definitely see the advantages to limiting the changes going into training camp.

And that 12 out of 14 estimate is entirely possible.  We know there's at least one new face - this Griffin-kid they picked up in the draft looks like he will make the team.  But they've also got ten returners with contracts as of now - and two other contributors from last season (Steve Novak and Fred Jones) who are probably more likely to stay with the team than to end up anywhere else.  So one very real possibility is that the Clippers re-sign Jones and Novak, don't find any trades to their liking, and sign a non-descript veteran at the end of July or the beginning of August.  Voila - 12 of 14 players return.

Star-divide

The team didn't jump into the shallow end of the draft pool last week, feeling that the prices were a little steep for players who are unlikely to help at any rate (it will be interesting to see if Daryl Morey gets any return from the three second rounders he bought with Carroll Dawson's money in Houston).  Nor are there any household names associated with the Clipppers summer league roster so far (other than the studs already on the NBA team):  Kevinn PinkneyKyle McAlarney?  These guys seem unlikely to be taking that 14th roster spot.

As for free agency, here's what we know right now - the Clippers are not pro-actors in the market; they are re-actors.  MDsr was quoted in this morning's LA Times saying:

We probably won't be an immediate player in the free-agent market.  There'll be some players that are taken quickly . . . [but] then the market will settle and you'll be able to sit back and make some decisions.

This tells me a couple of things.  For one, you can forget about any free agents who are looking for anything close to mid-level exception money.  Every team in the league can offer the MLE, and if the Clippers are planning to sit back and wait, those guys are going to get their offers from elsewhere.

But reading a little deeper into the comments, I'm guessing that the team is waiting for a couple of dominoes to fall in order to see what effect it has on the trade market.  The Clippers obviously still have a big man on the block, and the early movement in free agency could have a big impact on which teams are looking for big players, as well as on which players may become available.  It's not a bad strategy.  Let's take just a few examples:

  • Joe Dumars in Detroit has the first move in this game.  He has the most money to spend, not to mention that the organization's reputation for putting together winning teams make Detroit an attractive destination.  If Detroit signs a forward like Hedo Turkoglu or Charlie Villanueva or Trevor Ariza, they'll likely try to trade Tayshaun Prince, a ClipsNation favorite as a potential 'glue guy.'  Since Chris Kaman to Detroit has been rumored, Kaman for Prince would seem to be a possibility.
  • Staying in Detroit, if Dumars instead lures Ben Gordon to the Motor City, the move likely removes a potential Clippers trade target.  If Gordon stays in Chicago, the Bulls are likely to trade Kirk Hinrich (or maybe Luol Deng).  Eric Pincus of HoopsWorld has been talking about the possibility of Hinrich to the Clippers for awhile.  But if Gordon bolts, Hinrich will likely stay in Chicago.
  • And obviously any team looking for low post scoring and/or a starting center will pop up on the Clippers' radar if they fail to meet their needs via free agency.  If Houston's current pursuit of Marcin Gortat pays off, then they've found their Yao insurance policy - if not, they might be on the phone asking about Chris Kaman or Marcus Camby.

So the Clippers are in wait-and-see mode for now.

But while we're on the subject of trades, let's do a quick follow up on the Zach Randolph rumors from draft day.  Since I first mused about the stories out of Memphis last week, I've heard from two more sources that the Milicic offer was not on the table.  Chris Herrington of the Memphis Flyer and Eric Pincus who covers the Clippers for HoopsWorld both say that the trade offer was Randolph for Buckner and Jaric, never Buckner and Milicic.  This is consistent with Chris Vernon's account, and also with common sense.  Jaric's contract is a bigger albatross than Z-bo's (Chris Sheridan ranked them 3rd and 15th respectively on his list of "Dead Money Players and Cap-Killing Contracts") - so why would the Clippers trade a bad contract for a worse one? 

But Kevin Arnovitz brings up an interesting point on Clipperblog.  One version of the trade talk was that the Grizzlies already had the Milicic to New York for Quentin Richardson trade in place when the Clippers asked for Darko in the Randolph deal.  Well, what about reviving the deal as Richardson and Buckner for Randolph?  It seems the Grizzlies are still interested, and because Memphis is under the salary cap, there are no restricitions on including Richardson in another trade right away.  That would actually be a better trade for the Clippers, returning needed depth on the wing (hardly a "glue guy", Q can at least stretch defenses with his three point shooting) rather than yet another big.  Also, according to Herrington, only $1M of Buckner's contract is guaranteed, so it would actually be a major cap savings for LA. 

But as with everything else, for now it's wait and see.  If Memphis makes a successful play for David Lee or Villanueva, they won't need Z-Bo.  If not?  Maybe we'll see some roster movement after all.

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Losing Kaman and picking up either T. Prince or S. Battier.

The possibility that either could happen will carry me to summer league.

by oneight on Jul 1, 2009 4:19 PM PDT reply actions  

Come on...

Summer league will be here before you know it, and the prospect of seeing Griffin and Gordon together should be enough for anyone. Don’t get greedy!

In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd

by Steve Perrin on Jul 1, 2009 4:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well there you go Steve

Ben Gordon officially agrees on a 55 mil 5 year deal from Detroit.

Mike Smith on Eric Gordon: "The Clippers may have found their go to scorer."
On a second note, I want Novak back!

by JackduhSun on Jul 1, 2009 4:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

Prediction: Boozer for Rip?

Utah clearly intends to move Boozer in favor of Milsap and Rip’s days in Detroit seem to be numbered…

by banandy on Jul 1, 2009 4:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

You think Utah would want Rip?

Whos going to play the inside in place for Boozer? AK47? Okur? I dont think Boozer is going anywhere for Utah.

Mike Smith on Eric Gordon: "The Clippers may have found their go to scorer."
On a second note, I want Novak back!

by JackduhSun on Jul 1, 2009 4:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

Woops just read the Millsap part.

I dont know man! I dont think anyone can replace Boozer over Millsap! I always thought that it was the other way around btw; that the Boozer was thinking of leaving and Utah wanting him to stay?

Mike Smith on Eric Gordon: "The Clippers may have found their go to scorer."
On a second note, I want Novak back!

by JackduhSun on Jul 1, 2009 4:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Mm well thats tough

Boozer is more of the traditional PF that most championship teams win with. I havnet really seen Millsap play yet, so how please tell me how good is Millsap? (I really don’t know.)

It’d be intresting to turn over a new leaf of DWill and Boozer to Dwill and Millsap. I would think that Utah wants to keep that combination since there were many talks about them being almost as good as the Mailman and Stockton combination?

Mike Smith on Eric Gordon: "The Clippers may have found their go to scorer."
On a second note, I want Novak back!

by JackduhSun on Jul 1, 2009 4:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

Whos' CV?

Mike Smith on Eric Gordon: "The Clippers may have found their go to scorer."
On a second note, I want Novak back!

by JackduhSun on Jul 1, 2009 4:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

Charlie Villanueva

Yeah, they are moving fast, but I don’t know that they’re doing so well. What are the terms for CV?

by citizen zhiv on Jul 1, 2009 4:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

Wow where did this news come from?

its not even posted on Yahoo yet!

Mike Smith on Eric Gordon: "The Clippers may have found their go to scorer."
On a second note, I want Novak back!

by JackduhSun on Jul 1, 2009 4:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

nvm its added now.

Jeez, Piston are trying to rebuild, fast.

Mike Smith on Eric Gordon: "The Clippers may have found their go to scorer."
On a second note, I want Novak back!

by JackduhSun on Jul 1, 2009 4:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't get it

Is Rip Hamilton done? Going after Ben Gordon as your primary free agent piece, when you’re the team with the most cap room, seems pretty strange to me. Getting rid of Billups and bringing in Iverson to create cap space, and ending up with Ben Gordon (for starters), hardly seems like much in the way of excitement. Henry Abbott at TrueHoop said all this earlier today, and it makes a lot of sense.

So yeah, this affects the Clippers, because Hinrich isn’t going anywhere now.

And part two of the Pistons plan is equally baffling. I don’t see why they would make any moves that would cause them to trade TPrince. Prince is comparable to Turkoglu (a much better defender, for one thing) and Ariza. Villanueva is no great prize, but he at least doesn’t duplicate Prince—he’s a combo 3/4, kind of like LOdom, and it seems to me that Odom is a much better player, more versatile, more experience, a worthy replacement for Sheed, gone awhile now. CV is not that guy. But after giving 11 million a year to Ben Gordon (and they have RHamilton), now they can’t pay 10/yr to LOdom or Turkoglu.

Not getting it.

Really would like to see somebody step up and give Odom 10/yr and get him away from the Lakers. That would even the playing field. Even if it’s San Antonio. If San Antonio makes a run for Odom I wonder if the Lakers would match and try to talk him into coming back, even with the money it would cost them. Duncan-Odom-Jefferson-Ginobili-Parker would tip the scales in favor of the Spurs I would think.

by citizen zhiv on Jul 1, 2009 4:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

Still confusing.

So they plan to play Charie at the 3 while trading away both Rip and Prince?

Mike Smith on Eric Gordon: "The Clippers may have found their go to scorer."
On a second note, I want Novak back!

by JackduhSun on Jul 1, 2009 4:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

Plan to?

I don’t know what they plan to do. But they have the pieces to do just that, if they were so inclined.

by John R on Jul 1, 2009 4:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

No - CV at 4

Apparently Charlie was the backup plan if they couldn’t get Boozer (via free agency).

by banandy on Jul 1, 2009 4:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

but this is if they trade away Rip and Prince..

I wonder if Detroit is making the same desperate moves the Clippers were making last season in trading for ZBo (You have to admit that Zbo’s trade for Mobley and TT were desperate, for better or worse.)

Mike Smith on Eric Gordon: "The Clippers may have found their go to scorer."
On a second note, I want Novak back!

by JackduhSun on Jul 1, 2009 5:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

Desperation may have been the motivation

But Thomas and Mobley for Zach is a good trade, talent wise.

Do not worry. (Matthew 6:27)

by mikey p on Jul 1, 2009 5:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

Three way involving Detroit, Houston, and us!

Houston gets: Rip and Kaman

Detroit gets: expiring TMac

We get: Prince!

by banandy on Jul 1, 2009 5:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

CV definitely a 4

And at a relatively low price too.

The question is, what happens with Hamilton.

Prince isn’t necessarily in play at all.

by citizen zhiv on Jul 1, 2009 5:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

The sheen is off of Dumars

What an idiot. He has decimated this team. Now he has two undersized combo guards (Stuckey and Gordon) and a pissed off Rip. He is looking to add CV rather than Odom, Millsap or, hell, Rasheed Wallace.

I don’t get it. But it would be great if he plans to slide CV to the 3, Maxiell to the 4 and move Prince for Kaman. (Dreaming).

Do not worry. (Matthew 6:27)

by mikey p on Jul 1, 2009 5:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

Not so bad

He didn’t overpay for any of those guys. Maxiell is good coming off the bench at the 4 for CV.

They don’t have a center. Since they have a little money left (don’t know if they can use the MLE, probably not) they might want to be in the running for Gortat. And the guy who is available, that no one seems to be talking about, is Pachulia. They’re both pretty decent centers for the price, below the mid-level.

They can trade Hamilton to try to get a center. The Hamilton factor—how badly do they want to get rid of him?—is the tricky part of their roster.

Too bad that Hamilton overlaps directly with Eric Gordon.

by citizen zhiv on Jul 1, 2009 5:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

Link

Still only verbal agreements of course

But thats probably 2a and 2b of the players and #1 of the franchises. Hedo to POR is looking like a lock now.

by John R on Jul 1, 2009 4:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

If only

Rudy Gay or OJ Mayo was on the block for Memphis.

Mike Smith on Eric Gordon: "The Clippers may have found their go to scorer."
On a second note, I want Novak back!

by JackduhSun on Jul 1, 2009 4:29 PM PDT reply actions  

Clippers best bet is to be patient

Lots of guys will be disappointed to find that the MLE is all they are going to get. Don’t love the Memphis trade for Q. Rich. Don’t hate it, either. I still think ZBo is necessary for right now. There may be other moves.

Anyway. It is different to be a bystander this year. I haven’t been hitting refresh every 6 seconds like a crackhead. That was last summer.

Do not worry. (Matthew 6:27)

by mikey p on Jul 1, 2009 4:29 PM PDT reply actions  

I agree

Let of these teams with money to burn, burn it. Then we have an opportunity to make some trades and pick up some nice peices on the cheap.

by hip2clip on Jul 1, 2009 4:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

ESPN

Anyone else see the very recent Franchise ranking thing over at ESPN. They took 122 franchises and ranked them based on all sorts of things. Clippers ended up #122 out of 122. I hate seeing that kind of stuff.

by besaje on Jul 1, 2009 4:38 PM PDT reply actions  

There is a fanshot linking to the peice.

by Michael White on Jul 1, 2009 4:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oh, my bad…still was really disheartening to go over to espn and see a big thing on the home page showing how bad the Clippers franchise is.

by besaje on Jul 1, 2009 4:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't get all the talk about trading ZBo for Q or Darko.

Q is a marginal player, and Zach has all-star numbers. The salary cap thing is somewhat of a mirage because there are no guarantees of signing a great player in FA. We are trading for potential greatness down the road while guaranteeing marginal play at best right now.

Makes no sense. Griffen will be good and versatile enough to play positions other than the 4.

by Jerdog on Jul 1, 2009 5:27 PM PDT reply actions  

it’s about the expiring contract of Q. making a big push for free agency 2010, perhaps?

by ghsu on Jul 1, 2009 9:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

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