July Fireworks: Zach Randolph traded
by citizen zhiv on Jul 1, 2009 5:38 PM PDT
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Looks like Steve Perrin is just as charmed as good old Clipper Steve. News notes saying that the Memphis deal for Randolph is going through, with the Clips bringing back our old pal Quentin Richardson. Clips save a lot of money, get a backup at the 2 and 3, and become players in the 2010 free agency sweepstakes.
Explosive!
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Oh Hell Yes
Chris Wallace officially worst GM in basketball. Great move for the Clips, Yes, ZBo can be productive at TIMES, but always a distraction.
Zbo a good fit in Memphis
So much for the idea—talking to you, Bill Simmons—that Zbo is untradeable. Memphis now has Gasol-Zbo-Gay-Mayo-Conley. Who did they draft again? They needed a PF and 20-10 scorer like Zbo, and he will fill that role for two years and then come off their books. They had a huge hole exactly where he fits, and now they don’t have to make a longer term deal for somebody like David Lee.
They are probably better off starting Thabeet over Gasol
Gasol isn’t a shot blocker and neither is Zbo so probably not the best decision to play them side by side all game. The Grizzlies might even be semi-decent next year. There starting lineup has alot of flaws but they do have some talent.
FA in 2010.
Thabeet!
That was their pick! Thanks, CC. How did I forget that?
Interesting. I would start Gasol because Thabeet is a rookie, and you’d have to see how he adapts to the league. But by the end of the year you might be right, and they could be better with Gasol coming off the bench.
The fact that they just got Thabeet makes the Zbo deal even more sensible, because Thabeet-Gasol should be reaching real maturity (along with Gay-Mayo) when Zbo’s deal expires two years from now.
Simmons gearing up
Gotta love a guy who can turn on a dime like that, just like he did with Doc Rivers. Now he’s getting ready to go after Paul Pierce with the Clips 2010 free agent money.
LOL
Paul Pierce.
In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd
i'm torn...
was hoping to wait for a glue guy to be put on the trading blobk..
by cantthinkofagoodname on Jul 1, 2009 5:43 PM PDT reply actions
they wouldn't
but with z-bo gone the clips aren’t going to make any other changes… therefore no glue guy
by cantthinkofagoodname on Jul 1, 2009 7:03 PM PDT up reply actions
GREAT deal
Not only is QRich a fan favorite from back in the day (glad I get to use my old QRich jersey for one more season), the Clips effectively do two VERY important things:
- Clear the way for Griffin w/o losing our two (more valuable) centers.
- Undo the mistake of trading for Z-Bo and ruining cap space for 2010.
Official over at LA Times
Heisler has it. No mention of Buckner, but I saw somewhere else that he’s a part of it.
Nostalgia
http://twitter.com/LATimessports
I’m all for it, for several angles. Sure, Q gets hurt every season. But I became a fan when Q was with the Clips, and it feels like a homecoming. Madglove is right, Q can be a glue wing off the bench.
And anyway, there may still be a Kaman / Tayshaun Price deal coming, for those of us desperate to unload the Great White Hope.
There should be no desperation
Now. Everyone thought it’d be impossible to move ZBo so they’d have to move Camby or Kaman to free up space for Griffin. With ZBo out of here, they now have the space to keep everyone if they want.
Nobody should be “desperate” to move a true center in his prime anyway. That’s just silly.
true center
what does that even mean?
"This kid is the best new talent in the league right now, and I don't care who else you mention." -Suns Coach, Alvin Gentry, on Clippers rookie sensation, Eric Gordon.
Expiring Contracts
And now the Clips have Camby’s expiring deal and QRich’s expiring deal. What’s Q’s deal, 8 million?
Pretty funny coming full circle, remembering when it seemed obvious that the Clips would resign Q, but he went off to Phoenix, who overpaid for him.
And the deal isn’t just expiring contracts. It adds depth at the exact places where the Clippers need it.
Agreed
This seems a great deal on all accounts.
For the fans, they get to see more of Griffin on the court and some fun QRich plays again (no head bumping please!).
For the cap space, we have 2 expiring deals next year of good value.
It also means the team can be setup to run much more with the ball in transition.
We get greater depth also – I’ve been watching all the other deals going on and dreading it in case we made a bad move but this I like from every front. Well done Clips front office.
All this new bravery can be traced back to being screwed by Elton – he did help this ball club!!!!
Bingo! Oh me oh my!
let's see how next season starts
but i would like us to make a run at lebron or wade on free agency, of course it depends on a good season.
LEBRON IN LA 2010
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
http://lucasnbablog.blogspot.com/
You are forgetting
Ricky Davis and his expiring contract too..
That takes Camby, RDavis AND QRich off the books next year…
Wow…so…I am curious…
Does anyone know if the Clippers have more or less cap room next year than if they were to have never traded away Timmy T and Cat? Did MDsr actually get MORE cap space by trading for Z-Bo?
Do or do not. There is no try.
Same or less...
Same if they renounce Mardy Collins. $2.7M less if they extend a QO to Collins.
In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd
Thanks
for looking that up. Either way, I guess it amounts to a half season rental of ZBo with essentially little to no net loss in cap space for 2010. Well played MDsr.
Do or do not. There is no try.
plus more time for ej as mobley was sent packing
really good trade
About Quentin Richardson
Ah yes, time to reconsider our old friend. Primarily valuable as an expiring deal, yes, but a basketball player nevertheless, and one we’re familiar with. What’s his injury status? How has his production been lately? The good news is that it doesn’t matter. But the even better news would be if he can play a respectable role on the Clips.
Q don’t do glue.
But when I first heard about the deal I was thinking of Q as a backup at the 3, and Buckner as a backup at the 2. Now it seems like Buckner isn’t part of the deal at all—my bad. But I’m remembering—it took a little while—that Q is actually more of a decent-sized SG, who shoots 3s, posts up, rebounds a bit, and doesn’t play a whole lot of defense. He can also play SF, especially coming off the bench. In short, he’s a viable back-up on the wing.
One wonders how Mardy Collins and Q fared when they were together on the Knicks. Not so great, I would assume.
Let’s not kid ourselves: Q has great potential to be just as bad as Ricky Davis. Okay, maybe not that bad, but he could play poorly.
It may still be the right idea to start Collins and make Thornton the 6th man. Collins would have to show up in training camp ready to play extremely loud, as they say. Thornton gets the bulk of the minutes, Gordon plays big minutes, and Q is around in spots. I think I like that approach better than making Q the 6th man, and bringing him and Collins off the bench together: not very solid. But we’ll see.
Collins/Gordon
Thornton/Gordon
Thornton/Q
Q/Gordon
Thornton/Gordon.
With Q pushed by Fred Jones, or a reasonable facsimile thereof.
Did Ricky Davis get waived yet? Can the Clips trade Ricky Davis and use the trade exception to pick up somebody in a salary dump! C’mon—more fireworks!
Eactly what I was thinking when I learned about the trade exception.
Tayshaun Prince for Ricky Davis is possible, no?
Possible but very unlikely
First off, I don’t think that the Pistons are trying to dump TPrince. Hamilton maybe, but Prince still has his starting spot at SF. So that means that secondly the Pistons probably want to get some value for TP, and Davis2 ain’t value.
But the other consideration, number three, now is 2010 capspace. I would still do it, probably. I guess you could say that the fourth consideration is the turnover/roster changes issue, adding another new starter, too many new bodies.
2010?
If Buckner is included can we make a max offer in 2010? I’m thinking we’ll have money, but not enough for a max.
We do have a great market and a great core for a star player to come to.
No mention of Buckner
They didn’t need to match salaries b/c the Grizz were under the cap. So really, the Clips saved even more money by taking a shorter AND lower salary in return.
Damn, that’s good GM-ing by Dun…
No cap space..
but as hip pointed out, they have a trade exception, which could potentially be very valuable for teams who want to dump salary.
Hmm
If the Grizzlies were under the came then we didn’t need to take Buckner’s contract…
FA in 2010.
This year is going great for the Clippers
Skinner opts out, Z-Bo traded, and the Clips are now part of the 2010 sweepstakes.
Funny - being a Clipps
fan teaches you to wait until stuff is confirmed, doesn’t it!!!!!
Bingo! Oh me oh my!
Buckner?
Not seeing anywhere official that Buckner is part of the deal. It makes sense that he would be.
Is he a viable backup at SG?
and check this out!!!!
LA saves $24.6 million in the deal, gaining a trade exception of approximately $7.4 million.
-Hoopsworld
GREAT point
They can use this to add another player during the season from a team looking to shed salary.
Like you know…Kelenna Azubuike…
Ha Ha Madglove
You are determined to get that boy on this team aren’t you mate!!!!!
Bingo! Oh me oh my!
Would the exception be eligible for use this summer? Theoretically we could be 8-9 mil under the cap when this goes through.
Yea...
trade exceptions are available immediately as far as I remember. In fact, they have expiration dates.
We can trade for Josh Childress
Give them a future protected 1st rounder pick or something. Come home Josh.
FA in 2010.
So...
Now we’re getting Lebron next summer, right?
LOL
'Cause how you play, is how you'll be remembered. PLAY LOUD!
Realities
Lebron won’t happen.
Bosh overlaps with Griffin.
I think Wade overlaps with Gordon, right?
Boozer overlaps with Griffin.
Who else is out there—there’s a bunch of them, right?
Depends on BD
If BD fails again, we’ll need to address Point Guard. If Thornton dissapoints, we’ll have to look at SF.
Well
There is Amare, Kobe, Boozer, Nash, forget who else. I think Bosh and Blake can play together, there aren’t any real 5s in the league anymore.
FA in 2010.
Found our guy
Joe Johnson would go perfectly for us. He just turned 28 so he has 4-5 years left.
SG – EJ
PG – Baron
C – Kaman
PF – Blake
SF – JJ
Bench – DJ, Thornton, MT + our 2 1st round draft picks (if we get Minny’s next years)
FA in 2010.
Okay--still no obvious targets
Amare overlaps with Griffin.
Kobe is about to sign an extension.
Mentioned Boozer.
Nash is old, like BDavis.
The Clips will have two true centers, Kaman and DJordan. If those guys both have bad years, then Amare and Bosh are definite possibilities. Have to wait and see how guys play before thinking of adding another big. They could always resign Camby at a reduced deal too, if he plays well this year. Lots of possibilities.
Nice to have the capspace back.
Who else is on the 2010 free agent list?
Nice one
Not really a 3 though, right?
Overlaps with Gordon?
I'd take Joe Johnson
at SF even if hes not a true SF. Joe Johnsons D isnt bad and his offense is pretty damn good.
Mike Smith on Eric Gordon: "The Clippers may have found their go to scorer."
On a second note, I want Novak back!
Joe Johnson is the perfect fit. Of course we make a courtesy call to LeBron’s agent, but after that Johnson should be our target.
Hmm first to accept opru 23 million ( or whatever we have)
gets the deal.
LBJ, Dwayne, Bosh, and who else?
Mike Smith on Eric Gordon: "The Clippers may have found their go to scorer."
On a second note, I want Novak back!
kobe just re-upped to 2012
Roger Sterling: I bet there were people in the Bible walking around, complaining about "kids today."
Don Draper: Kids today, they have no one to look up to. Cuz they're looking up to us.
Nowitzki, Richard Jefferson, Ginobili, Aldridge®, T-Mac, Yao (ETO), Josh Howard
'Cause how you play, is how you'll be remembered. PLAY LOUD!
by CLiPPz WeRD 12 on Jul 1, 2009 6:21 PM PDT up reply actions
Let's start shopping!
I don’t know that the Clips will go after one of the first tier guys, but they’re going to have some money to spend. And if the team plays well this season (Go Clippers!) they could be an attractive destination.
The question is, who would be a good fit on a team built around Blake Griffin and Eric Gordon, with Baron Davis, Al Thornton, Chris Kaman, and DeAndre Jordan?
Congrats Clippers :)
A warm fuzzy friend , who knows the woes of the Z bo.
The Faith don't panic, the faith freaks out, burns out farms, and torchs small villages in the name of The Faith.
"New Man Law: If you don't show up for the draft you don't get to come later if you're picked. If you believe in yourself, show up and sit there. If nobody else believes in you, take it and cry like a man...in front of the cameras."
-Dave
HAHAHA. +1
Mike Smith on Eric Gordon: "The Clippers may have found their go to scorer."
On a second note, I want Novak back!
Full circle!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qAixOt1Y0xo
Now we just need to sign D-Miles, and we’re set!
LOL
'Cause how you play, is how you'll be remembered. PLAY LOUD!
i would really have liked Buckner in the deal.
but, at least now we can see that this system is going to orbit the baby-faced assassin and blake.
Remember when there were trade rumors involving Darko and Z-Bo last year?
Well, now Darko is in NY and Randolph is in Memphis. Took a little circuitous route, but still that’s kind of funny.
q rich hates the clips and is a trader in my mind
if my memory serves me right didnt q rich say when he left via free agency that he did not want the clips to match any offers and he wanted to get out of town badly. also his one year in phoenix he was the biggest poor sport rubbing it in the clips face when playing them acting very arrogantly.. i like the trade for all of the reasons everybody else has said just not sure about q rich and his back stabbing ways…i have hated this guy very much over the years since he left because he was one of my favs while on the team not sure what to think of him now
you're not alone.
also, i feel that some fans are greatly over-estimating Q’s abilities when they say that he’ll provide depth. the only way he provides depth is if depth means a body on the bench. this is my opinion, of course.
If I remember Q was the one Clip that didn’t bad mouth the franchise when leaving. He enjoyed being here, but it was time to move on.
Who cares anyways. This is all about being 2010 friendly.
I need help with the bad mouthing part
is that true?? I always thoguht he enjoyed being a Clipper and the reason he didn’t come back was because the Clippers were looking at Kobe Bryant instead??
Mike Smith on Eric Gordon: "The Clippers may have found their go to scorer."
On a second note, I want Novak back!
I think that's right..
I don’t think he ever ‘bad mouthed’ the Clippers. It was just time to move on.
At least he’s not our starter, like back then! He’ll be decent off the bench.
'Cause how you play, is how you'll be remembered. PLAY LOUD!
by CLiPPz WeRD 12 on Jul 1, 2009 8:51 PM PDT up reply actions
LO
Lamar was the one who told them not to match Miami’s offer….that much I remember. I don’t really remember how Q left..but like you guys say, I have a feeling he didn’t go unhappily necessarily.
Do or do not. There is no try.
My recollection...
The Clippers of course were focused on Kobe, and didn’t treat Q very well in the process (though of course there wasn’t much they could have done as they were courting Kobe). Q got a nice payday from Phoenix, and I don’t remember him being particularly angry at the org – I remember thinking at the time that he could have been made, but he wasn’t. He was probably sadder when Miles was traded.
In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd
by Steve Perrin on Jul 1, 2009 10:15 PM PDT up reply actions
what happened was that the clippers let him go
because they wouldn’t waive his medical exception (bad back). I got that straight from the horse’s moutn (Elgin Baylor)
So that's who your source is
Do not worry. (Matthew 6:27)
no - just ran into him at a charity golf tourney
a few years ago (Jim Murray at Wilshire). That was right after they let him go so I asked him why and he said they wouldn’t waive the injury clause. I guess that’s a big deal for insurance reasons, and everyone knows Q has a bad back.
It was Brandy...
Lamar said don’t match. Then the reporters asked Q what he wanted, and he said that he liked the Clips, and that he would be happy and well paid with either the Clips or the Suns.
Then Brandy started talking to everyone that would listen – saying that the Clippers sucked and they should let Q go.
He left, and then she left him. It’s always the girls fault.
Whos Brandy? the singer??
Mike Smith on Eric Gordon: "The Clippers may have found their go to scorer."
On a second note, I want Novak back!
'Cause how you play, is how you'll be remembered. PLAY LOUD!
by CLiPPz WeRD 12 on Jul 1, 2009 11:03 PM PDT up reply actions
Oh I didnt even have a clue they had any connection.
(Sorry about that.)
Mike Smith on Eric Gordon: "The Clippers may have found their go to scorer."
On a second note, I want Novak back!
Great job Dunleavy (wow those words can be used in a sentence)
I think Q rich can actually help as he can backup up the two and maybe play some 3. And it will free up a lot of space for 2010 free agent market (Lebron anyone). And I think he will actually try and play hard because he has to sign with another team next season and unless he wants to sign for minimum he has to have a good season.
In Gordon we trust
Do they make a run for Nate Robinson.... Maybe LO, LOL
With 8 million in hand we can sign a nice piece for 1 year. Lets face it the money is not out there, unless you go to Memphis or OKC.
How many players will sign one year deals to be able to take advantage of the huge amount of cap room next year ? #fb
-Mark Cuban
If Andre Miller and Brand comes here
I will to.
Mike Smith on Eric Gordon: "The Clippers may have found their go to scorer."
On a second note, I want Novak back!
So this is official?
I’m a clipper fan, i need it in writing.
I guess deal is not official until July 8th
I’ll keep my mouth shut until I see Q rich in a clipper jersey
Dunleavy
I’ve always been happy with Dunleavy as GM, just not as coach. This is another good move that he’s made, I just wish he would step down as coach or something along those lines. The Clippers always look good to us fans in June / July, lets just hope this is the year they look good in May or good in May next year.
by besaje on Jul 1, 2009 7:14 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Reverse mojo
didn’t SP say that the chance that the clippers can compete this year would be slim to none. Well I think we found a way to compete. And all this happens because of one ping pong ball combo.
In Gordon we trust
I'm bummed
For all the reasons I’ve already stated plenty of times about why I liked Zbo. No need to rehash it now.
by Michael White on Jul 1, 2009 7:21 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Hope so
Honestly, I’m surprised how down I feel.
by Michael White on Jul 1, 2009 7:34 PM PDT up reply actions
Can someone tell me which players are involved?
It couldnt have been just 1 player for Zbo could it? (I find myself shocked because of how big his contract initally was.)
Mike Smith on Eric Gordon: "The Clippers may have found their go to scorer."
On a second note, I want Novak back!
Memphis was under the cap...
So the trade value does not have to be equal… All signs point to Z for Q straight up.
"Not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted" – Albert Einstein
by Another son of Mike Smith on Jul 1, 2009 7:42 PM PDT up reply actions
You are in the minority
We just got rid of the basketball version of BFBC (Big Fat Bartolo Colon). The rest of us see potential. We now have a athletic starting 5, good young players and alot of cap space in the best FA class ever. Maybe we end up getting none of those players next year but at least we have something to look forward to. Things have changed alot over the past 6 weeks.
FA in 2010.
No shit I’m in the minority. Do you think I can’t read the first 70 comments of the thread?
by Michael White on Jul 1, 2009 7:44 PM PDT up reply actions
AHAHAHAHHA
mwhite06. nice response. But ill have to agree with mwhite, even though I don’t mind the trade. Its a little sad to see a scorer go, because we might have needed it.( well atleast i wanted him off the bench anyways.)
But this open us up fo 2010.. but I hate the idea because 2010 is a gamble. We’ll have to see.
Mike Smith on Eric Gordon: "The Clippers may have found their go to scorer."
On a second note, I want Novak back!
we give up 20 and 10 for 2010,,,,
i hope it works out for us. bring in RON RON or L.A.Bron!!!!!
You can read?
Stop showing off, school? why, I never had much in the way of book larnin’ and such.
FA in 2010.
by ClipperChuck on Jul 1, 2009 10:17 PM PDT up reply actions
LOLOLOL
Mike Smith on Eric Gordon: "The Clippers may have found their go to scorer."
On a second note, I want Novak back!
mixed feelings myself
ZBo wasn’t as bad as many here have made him out to be….but htis does solve a lot of our log jam problems.
I wouldnt make fun of Cy Young winner
Bartolo Colon. He’s actually not that bad as a starting pitcher (he’s just getting old.. and overweight. But his younger years was pretty good.)
Mike Smith on Eric Gordon: "The Clippers may have found their go to scorer."
On a second note, I want Novak back!
It was a reference for fantasy sports geeks
BFBC was one of the more overrated fantasy players in baseball. He got alot of wins but his ERA and WHIP were pretty high. ZBo has good point and rebounding totals but hes not too stellar in fantasy sports either.
FA in 2010.
Ah. That explains it
I dont really havefantasy points ahaha
Mike Smith on Eric Gordon: "The Clippers may have found their go to scorer."
On a second note, I want Novak back!
Will be more bummed if BG fails to deliver the goods.
The reality is that the 4-5 bigs can’t realistically share minutes at 24 each and all be happy – especially if they ever hit a losing streak.
ZBo and his run-ins with former teammates like Nate Robinson already show his potential for such confrontations…visions of him harping on the rookie (his direct competition for PT) would be ugly enough to pull the trigger on this.
citizen mwhite...
I hope the Zach plays well in Memphis. But even in the best case scenario, he wasn’t really going to be a part of the Clippers in a few seasons, right? So in the big picture, even if I think that Z-Bo is undervalued in some ways, this is a great trade for the Clippers, right?
In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd
Here goes
What’s done is done. I was a Clipper fan before Zach, and will be after.
From a basketball perspective:
I think we are a worse team now. I find the talk about trading for a Tayshaun Prince meaningless now, because Thornton has to start. We now need scorers. Also, I know this is blasphemy around here, but I thought we should actually see Blake Griffin play in the NBA before running off a guy with an elite skill set. Also, I don’t really get the, “he doesn’t play into our future.” People can’t mention the young core without mentioning Al Thornton, yet Zach Randolph is a mere 2 years older than Thornton.
From a personal perspective:
The thing of it is, I really believed I was right about Zach. I truly believed the Clippers were a playoff team with him at PF. I’ve always liked guys like Randolph. I view them as inefficiencies in the system (he’s soooo untradeable, yet it takes a freaking weak to trade him.) Zach does not pass the eye test; he doesn’t look the part. He’s fat and he’s a “thug.” But the guy can flat out play. I thought Zach was going to lead us to the playoffs this year, so I didn’t really mind catching heat here for taking the minority position. I won’t get to find that out now. And it bums me out.
by Michael White on Jul 1, 2009 8:56 PM PDT up reply actions
I feel you brother....
The only problem I could never reconsile was if Zach or Blake would flourish coming off the bench? When the wall comes will we be happy with Camby starting as PF? probably not… However I feel we can get a nice rental piece for the year that will play hard, come off the bench to go after the 2010 money.
Where $$$ is King, we are sitting in the right spot.
Hmmm
Well let’s see, two consecutive teams have now traded him for contract relief so that tells you alot about how much they enjoy having the guy on their teams. He hasn’t been to the playoff in years so the smart money would be that having him would not get us into the playoffs either.
We also got a valuable trade exception that no one is mentioning. Time to do some research and come up with some more scenarios on how we can get maximum value with it.
And we have more or less the same scoring as before, with ZBo we were the worst team in the league offensively, can we really get worse? Individually most of our guys on paper are solid scorers, aside from injuries, team chemistry (partially attributed to injuries) was the heel of this team. Our guys simply didnt help one another get easy shots.
SG – EJ is an above average guard
PG – Baron is still at least an average scoring point, if the workouts we keep hearing about are true then he could have a bounce back year.
C – Kaman is a solid offensive player, mental lapses aside, he can score 1 on 1 coverage on a handful of centers
PF – Blake is going to struggle at times but he has an NBA-ready body, has rare athleticism for a guy his size and a good work ethic. I don’t think he can match Zbo’s production right out of the gate but this will speed up his learning curve a bit.
SF – Thornton is pretty much all offense.
Camby – Decent shooter for a big
Taylor – Pretty much just a small scoring guard
DJ – Not much offense
FA in 2010.
The 'two straight teams' argument...
I made this point to someone recently about Zach – yes, Portland traded him just to get rid of him. That’s clear. But neither NY nor LA traded him just to get rid of him. They did it for VERY specific reasons, and they got what they wanted. NY wanted 2010 cap space (bad), and if you’ll recall at the time, no one thought they could get it. Z-Bo was the price they had to pay to get that space. The Clippers got both cap space in 2010 and court space for Blake Griffin. It’s not Zach’s fault that he signed a contract that was too rich 5 years ago – that’s Portland’s fault. But when you are overpaid, you become tough to trade.
So now Zach is ‘labeled’ as a guy who teams can’t wait to get rid of. I don’t think that’s fair to him at all.
In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd
by Steve Perrin on Jul 1, 2009 10:20 PM PDT up reply actions
Disagree
He’s a bad seed. Great job by MDSr to move him. Great job. I didn’t think he had it in him to do that.
Addition by subtraction. Welcome Blake Griffin.
Wow Jax
A rare day praising MDSr. While I still would have preferred the long tenured Kaman to be moved, I guess this is OK. I still think ZBo is a valuable PF, but things changed for the Clips when BG got drafted. QRich at this point is a corpse, but he has about 5-10 good games a year…so hopefully he’ll be an OK piece for now. We’ll see how the summer plays out.
This is going to be my team, and we're going to rise together.
-Clipper Darrell
wait...
who’s our backup PF now?
We have 3 true centers and 1 rookie PF.
ZBo wasn’t really a cancer on our team.
Camby?
Mike Smith on Eric Gordon: "The Clippers may have found their go to scorer."
On a second note, I want Novak back!
Those are our choices excluding Q-Rich?
That’s a bad thing.
"This kid is the best new talent in the league right now, and I don't care who else you mention." -Suns Coach, Alvin Gentry, on Clippers rookie sensation, Eric Gordon.
You're right about Q but zbo is a douche
For example, the guy has been blowing off charity events this year.
He's a good player
were the Clippers better before or after Zach showed up? After, of course.
Do not worry. (Matthew 6:27)
hmm
More like bad or less bad after he showed up.
We were 19-63 last year guys, we asked for change and we are getting it.
FA in 2010.
by ClipperChuck on Jul 2, 2009 10:43 AM PDT up reply actions
I agree with that
Do not worry. (Matthew 6:27)
I think it is equal value.
The Clippers now are power players to get a deal done, who else will have an 8 Million trade exemption?
cursed reverse
things are looking up for us clipper fans, hopefully after the last couple of dreadful season we can turn it around and make bill simmons and the guy who rated the clips as the worst franchise in sports eat their words…..dunleavy u better not f@k this up.
Can Memphis still back out?
I hope this goes thru. 7 more days to go.
I love it. See you Zbo
Head Bump
What did the head bump mean? I remember they said it had a meaning, but it was a secret. When asked they would make an excuse, like, “Well, I need to ask Darius if it’s alright to tell”. Did they ever say what it meant?
Q won't provide depth
Life long Knicks fan here, but I’ve lived in LA over 10 years and have used the Clips as my local basketball fix. I’ve lurked quite a bit, but this is my first post.
Those of you counting on Q to backup the 2 or the 3 or simply provide depth will be horribly disappointed. Q is a shadow of his former self. The janky back has seriously done him in. He is now nothing more than a luke warm body with an expiring contract. If his contract wasn’t guaranteed and didn’t have strategic value, he would probably not even be able to make the the roster on the Clippers, or the Knicks for that matter. Zhiv considers making Q the sixth man. I’ve got lots of respect for Zhiv, but that aint gonna happen. Q is likely to be the last wing off the bench. His shot has completely deserted him and he’s not very mobile anymore. This is nowhere near the Q that was here back in the day or the one who starred in Phoenix.
I look forward to the Clips being good next year. I love watching live basketball (grew up going to the Garden) and can’t stomach the lakers and their fans. Last years Clipper team was so lazy, I couldn’t bring myself to spend my hard earned money to watch that disgrace. I’m hoping this year’s edition will be willing to play for Dunleavy. Things are looking up. I hope the Clippers break whatever curse might be on them and that we see a Clippers-Knicks finals in a couple of years. Knicks in 7 of course!
I don't expect much from Q
It’s good to get rid of him.
Knicks-Clippers finals, we can all dream. Some day it will happen
Not the 6th man
Thanks for the comments, Pearl—that’s actually quite helpful. I happen to think that the way for the Clips to go is to start Collins, make Thornton the 6th man, and have Fred Jones (if they sign him) battle it out with Q for limited backup wing minutes.
You probably have extra familiarity with Collins, Jones, and Q. Amusing. Tell us more.
Q has phenomenal value to the Clips simply as an expiring contract. But it’s a good tip to make sure to keep the expectations low.
Thomas Guys
The Clips now have a few Isaiah Thomas guys on the team. (Camby, Collins, Jones.) Thomas had a great eye for talent but couldn’t coach it after he got it. I think ESPN ranked him the second best GM (as far as drafting) of the lottery era. His players tended to be much better after they got away from him. Trevor Ariza being the latest example of that. Also, Nate Robinson and David Lee. However, for some reason, Thomas couldn’t evaluate players already in the league. Go figure.
That said, Collins and Jones didn’t get much burn in New York and were considered completely expendable. It’s interesting to see them do so well in LA. Collins never got a try at SF or SG in New York. They could have used his versatility. New Yorkers never much liked Mardy. They wanted some other point guard who was available at that draft spot (can’t remember who. Don’t think he panned out) You know we love to boo the Knicks pick on draft night!
I like Mardy a lot as an all purpose perimeter pit bull. Your plan has it’s merits and fits into Dunleavy’s past approaches to rotations. We’ll see if he goes for it. At this stage in their careers, Fred Jones easily takes minutes away from Q. Don’t forget Ricky Davis. He will be in the mix too if he bounces back to form.
Q isn't so bad
His stats are almost the same as Al’s on a 48mpg basis but with better 3pt shooting (he shot almost 37% last year from downtown). His real value is the expiring contract part but he’s an upgrade over Collins and Ricky Davis who would otherwise be our main backups at the 2 and 3 plus you never know he could play his butt off this year for the last “big money” chance he has left.
In my opinion this was addition by subtraction.
FA in 2010.
when he ran toronto ...
… then later traded to knicks for Oakley
The Trade Exception
I guess we can’t combine the trade exception with another player. I went through other teams and looked for other players that could help us in their final years. We could do Rafer Alston, Kyle Korver, or Luke Ridnour. All of these would help us and keep us 2010 friendly while helping the other team save money.
I believe a congratulations is proper for this kind of news!
Wasn’t fond of Memphis after last year anyways.
μὴ φοβοῦ, μόνον πίστευε.
How about we sign Ariza for one year, $8m?
Think about it… Lakers can only offer him the MLE – other teams don’t have much space this year.
What if he takes a 1 year offer with the Clips for $8m and sees what he can do next year?
way too much for ariza. this years james posey. ariza can only suceed when he’s a role player, teams should not be expecting Ariza to do any heavy lifting, and at 8 million dollars, you better do some heavy lifting.
He wont want a one year deal
though if he really can’t find a contract that pays him the money he’s looking for it’s not a bad idea.
by dulciusEXasperis on Jul 1, 2009 8:17 PM PDT up reply actions
one year deals is a no brainer for me right now
hopefully, free agents will go for it to (eventually) cash in later from the 2010 money tree
I have nothing more to add but
YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
welcome back Q! puts arms up like Q after a 3
You guys are all wrong.
We ain’t likely going to get a top free agent in 2010.
Q is worse than Thornton.
Kaman is still an idiot, less productive than Zach, and still on the team.
Why all the celebrating?
LOL
'Cause how you play, is how you'll be remembered. PLAY LOUD!
by CLiPPz WeRD 12 on Jul 1, 2009 9:52 PM PDT up reply actions
This is a good basketball move
What did you think, we were gonna win the championship this year?
At the start of last year, BD’s primary options were Thornton & Kaman. This year, they are borderline starters. We’ll at least double our win total from last year, with a shot at the playoffs. Our chemistry will be stronger also w/out Zach to boot.
I think everyone is looking for positive steps
If we don’t get a major talent in 2010, that’s fine. At least, we have some cash to play a roll in FA.
Hopefully this move gives Blake the time to develop.
2010 capspace
We only have 37 million (Blake should be make 5mill/yr) in guaranteed money tied up in 2010. The salary cap is at about 58 million this year, so let’s say it igoes up to 60 million. That means we’d have 23 million next year in FA money.
Who we have signed in 2010 and beyond, we’d only have 7 players under this scenario so we could probably add one star, one mid range guy and then a bunch of cheaper guys.
Kaman
EJ
Blake
Thornton
Baron
DJ
Mike Taylor
FA in 2010.
by ClipperChuck on Jul 1, 2009 10:07 PM PDT up reply actions
last I heard
Cap may stay about the same.
In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd
by Steve Perrin on Jul 1, 2009 10:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Can’t wait for LeBron to get here. It’s inevitable. Why else would Griffin not get 23 from Camby? It’s happenin’.
Good deal in terms of free agency
but I was hoping we get a high character guy.
"This kid is the best new talent in the league right now, and I don't care who else you mention." -Suns Coach, Alvin Gentry, on Clippers rookie sensation, Eric Gordon.
So how much cap do we have for the free agent bonanza
2k10?
"This kid is the best new talent in the league right now, and I don't care who else you mention." -Suns Coach, Alvin Gentry, on Clippers rookie sensation, Eric Gordon.
depends on the Cap but our committed salary is 39 million for 2010 which means it should be around 17 million. More if the Cap goes up.
So 39?
and not 36?
"This kid is the best new talent in the league right now, and I don't care who else you mention." -Suns Coach, Alvin Gentry, on Clippers rookie sensation, Eric Gordon.
Depends if you count a QO for Mardy Collins
If Mardy gets a QO, and we pick up the options on Thornton and EJ, the Clippers will have just under $40 M in committed salary to eight players.
Mardy’s QO would be for $2.7 M so our committed salary would be about $37 M in the likely event that we don’t offer it to him.
Ok, the salary cap
is set at $58.680 mil for the 08-09 season.
http://www.nba.com/news/salarycapset_080709.html
Let’s say it stays the same for 2k10. According to David Aldrige, the Clippers would have a total of $36 million commited in teams salaries.
http://www.nba.com/2009/news/features/david_aldridge/07/01/randolph.richardson.trade/index.html
Thats about 22 mil for us :)
"This kid is the best new talent in the league right now, and I don't care who else you mention." -Suns Coach, Alvin Gentry, on Clippers rookie sensation, Eric Gordon.
hmm I don’t think that’s right. I don’t think 36 million is adding Blake Griffin or the team options on Gordon and Thornton. According to Hoopsworld, next years salray is total 49 million if we still had zbo.
49-17(zbo) = 32 million
32 + 5 (Griffin) = 37
Pick up options on Gordon and Thornton = 6 million = 43 million (aprox)
I did not add the qualifying offer on Mardy Collins,
Marvin Williams?
Does this trade give us some money to sign Marvin Williams. I love this guys game, and think he’s the perfect 3/4 to help the Clippers. Plays great defense, can knock down a 3, and he’s only 23 years old…
I'd like for us to sign Brandon Bass
"This kid is the best new talent in the league right now, and I don't care who else you mention." -Suns Coach, Alvin Gentry, on Clippers rookie sensation, Eric Gordon.
But I know we need more wing players more than anything.
I still think we need a point guard to play behind Baron. I think Mike Taylor is a third string calibur guard (for now at least).
"This kid is the best new talent in the league right now, and I don't care who else you mention." -Suns Coach, Alvin Gentry, on Clippers rookie sensation, Eric Gordon.
This is getting weird
Remember when people were talking about an overload at Center and powerforward? Don’t you think that sounds better than an overload at the SF position? (Mardy, Thornton, Q) I guess you could say that Mardy is a 1,2, and 3, but still.
Mike Smith on Eric Gordon: "The Clippers may have found their go to scorer."
On a second note, I want Novak back!
Wow
I never thought of it before but our small forward position is really weak.
"This kid is the best new talent in the league right now, and I don't care who else you mention." -Suns Coach, Alvin Gentry, on Clippers rookie sensation, Eric Gordon.
It is, but
That’s where Shane Battier or Tayshaun prince is suppose to come in! (:
Mike Smith on Eric Gordon: "The Clippers may have found their go to scorer."
On a second note, I want Novak back!
Im happy with the trade, its a good start. I downloaded a new updated roster for NBA 2K9 with Griffin and Q. Beat the Grizzlies by 9.
Only?
I guess we fail then. ):
Mike Smith on Eric Gordon: "The Clippers may have found their go to scorer."
On a second note, I want Novak back!
And just hop in
for 2 min quarter games against bad teams til you get back in rythm.
http://lucasnbablog.blogspot.com/
Look here
http://hoopshype.com/salaries/la_clippers.htm
We were at $43 million with Zbo without counting Thornton, EJ and Collins
Minus Zbo we are at 26 million
Add the 6 million for EJ and Thornton and we are at 32 million
Add Blake’s 5 million and we are at 37 million.
Best case we have 23 million, worst case 20 million. If we decide to keep Collins we still have enough for 1 max player.
FA in 2010.
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