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Allen Iverson is the Answer.  I just don't know what the question is.

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Allen Iverson is the Answer. I just don't know what the question is.

I realized that I have not yet posted on the front page of Clips Nation concerning the Allen Iverson rumors.  I've been at summer league, watching games, commenting on threads - in fact, when someone asked me for my thoughts about AI on the Clippers-Lakers thread I just told them to go look for what I said on the earlier thread.  But I just realized that sifting through hundreds of comments probably isn't the best way to communicate on this one. 

I was watching the Suns-Mavs game when I first became aware of the rumor via Lisa Dillman's Twitter about referencing 'very serious talks'.  As it happens, Mike Dunleavy, Neil Olshey, Kim Hughes, Fred Vinson, Tony Brown and Marcus Camby were standing about 100 feet from me.  So I hopped up onto my little cub reporter feetsies and sauntered over non-chalantly and asked them about Iverson to the Clippers.  Unfortunately, I had loaned my voice recorder to PhoenixStan, so I don't have exact quotes for you.  Here's what I wrote in the thread at the time:

I just asked them [MDsr and Olshey] about AI. They have no comment. Actually, they feigned surprise that the rumor is out there. Of course, what are they going to say?

The word 'feigned' in there is perhaps a little unfortunate.  But the point is, they said stuff like "This place is one big rumor" (that is a direct quote from Olshey) and Dunleavy gave me a "Oh we're signing Iverson?  Really?  I didn't know that" sort of a reaction.  But Ric Bucher had been sitting next to MDsr for about a half hour talking to him directly before this, so obviously, even if the story was floated by Iverson's camp, they were well aware that it was out there. 

Star-divide

(Upon further reflection, the timing is really interesting.  I had been over to talk to MDsr just moments earlier, and posted my 'mini-interview' with him on some pretty mundane topics at 3:57.  When I approached him, he was reading and replying to a text - no doubt Iverson related in retrospect, as Dillman sent her Tweet about 4 PM, and Joel Meyers referenced the rumor on air at 4:15 PM.  So I must have looked like a complete idiot.  "Hey coach, I want to ask you about the breaking news story of....  Thornton's rehab."  D'oh!)

I saw Andy Roeser, asked him, got a 'no comment.'  I saw Kevin, told him about the rumor, he asked Olshey, got "We're talking to a lot of people." Of course these are all classic non-denials.

Dillman's source was 'close to Iverson' and it goes without saying that they could have an ulterior motive here.  In fact, only the day before the story was that AI's choices were down to Miami for a couple of million or Memphis or maybe some vague unconfirmed interest from Charlotte (who has major cap concerns and general money concerns as well).  The lede on that story was that Iverson was looking for 'better options' so it actually made all the sense in the world for his camp to imply that there was another, big market team interested.  So my initial reaction was to dismiss this as a rumor started by Iverson's people to create some buzz.  Here's a later comment I made on the game thread:

The source is ‘close to Iverson’. And obviously Iverson’s camp has a vested interest in implying that there’s interest out there. So it could be cut from whole cloth. Again… MDsr and Olshey didn’t say anything they wouldn’t have said if it was absolutely true. But it smacks of one of those crazy "It’s the Clippers" rumors.

But I'm now convinced that there's too much smoke here for there not to be at least a little fire.

Chris Tomasson of ProBasketballNews (Tomasson used to cover the Nuggets for the defunct Rocky Mountain News and so has a relationship with Marcus Camby and Iverson for that matter) got some quotes from Camby and Eric Gordon on the subject (hat tip to citizen ASoMS).  It is entirely possible that Camby is lobbying Clipper management to bring in his former teammate - telling them he's got a lot left, that he doesn't deserve all of the blame that's been placed on him in Denver and Detroit.  Remember, Camby's here and was with the entire coaching and front office staff when this story was breaking.

And Chris Sheridan of ESPN now has a story that Leon Rose, Iverson's agent, is setting up a face to face meeting between the team and the player. 

So yeah, it seems like something is happening here.

And the next question is, why?

Lisa Dillman provides one type of justification: "They have long been intrigued by Iverson, having come close to acquiring him in the past."  But whereas it's true that the Clippers tried to acquire AI back in 2006, that was literally a different team at the time - only Chris Kaman remains from the roster, and they were coming off of a playoff appearance.  Adding a former MVP to a team believing (however misguidedly) they were ready to take the next step into NBA contention is one thing - adding him to a 19 win team building around two 20 year old future stars is quite another.

Again, going back to my off the cuff comments at the time, I said things like "It would be extremely out of step with the way the summer has gone" and "It makes no sense".  But whereas it's true that it would be out of step, it's not entirely without sense

In fact, the Clippers' most glaring needs are for backups at the guard positions and a backup at small forward.  They've stated that they'd like to find a veteran to play point for them, and not have to rely on Mike Taylor this season.  Well guess what?  Iverson can play either guard position and obviously he's a veteran.  And at some level, if you're serious about signing someone in that role, who are the options? 

Comparing Allen Iverson for instance to Fred Jones is a great Rohrshach test of what you want this team to be.  Iverson is a former MVP with a 27 point per game career average.  Fred Jones is a career backup who was out of the league at the start of last season.  So it's a no-brainer right?  Of course, Iverson is also a headcase who has said he'd rather retire than come off the bench and who could easily be a detrimental influence on the Clippers' young core, while Jones is by all accounts a great teammate who doesn't even drink alcohol.  So it's a no-brainer, right?

Sheridan says that the Clippers are also interested in Ramon Sessions, who would clearly fit the youth movement and long term plans better.  But Sessions is a restricted free agent and it's unclear whether the Bucks would match on him.

In the end, I think the 'seriousness' of the talks to this point have been overstated by Iverson's camp - but clearly the Clippers are considering the move, and you can see why they would.  And there's one more thing to think about in all of this:  star power.  Might Allen Iverson sell more tickets for the Clippers, get them on TV more?  He might.  John Ireland blogged about the Clippers becoming 'relevant' with this signing.  He says with AI "you would actually want to go to Staples to see who would win.  And I'm talking about the Clippers here."  Of course, Ireland is such a Lakers hack that he can't even wirte about the Clippers without begin pejorative and couching the whole thing in Lakers terms - Iverson can still play because Ireland saw him light up the Lakers twice - in Dec. 2007 and Nov. 2008!  What more proof does anyone need?  He also betrays his ignorance of all things Clippers by assuming that Iverson would start and Gordon would come off the bench - that is clearly not happening.  Still, if Ireland sees this signing in those terms, you can rest assured that other LA media types do as well.

In the final analysis, I think the Clippers will pass on Iverson.  Regardless of what he says now, he's shown by his actions last year that he won't be happy coming off the bench - and there is no other option.  Davis is the starter at point guard and Gordon is the starter (and the future) at shooting guard.  So, fine, they can do some due diligence and let Iverson try to convince them that he's a team player at this point in his career.  And maybe it will help him get a better deal in Miami.

There will be more on this story coming soon no doubt.

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As predicted

The only question is whether you were actually writing this poolside.

by citizen zhiv on Jul 14, 2009 11:43 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

i'd say the Hard Rock pool...

Roger Sterling: I bet there were people in the Bible walking around, complaining about "kids today."
Don Draper: Kids today, they have no one to look up to. Cuz they're looking up to us.

by Lawler's Law on Jul 14, 2009 12:09 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Guess you could look at it like this...

You lose about 2 inches and 10MPH, but gain an old Camby buddy and All Star/Hall of Famer “off the bench”?

Off the bench? You wanna talk about off the bench?

by moKi on Jul 14, 2009 12:01 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

where would iverson be without that quote…

by andrewexd on Jul 14, 2009 12:05 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

where would iverson be without that quote…

Still going to the Hall of Fame.

by FlyByKnight on Jul 14, 2009 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL

Why would anyone vote for Iverson for the hall of fame? Is there a ballhog wing I’m not aware of? What has he accomplished for his team?

Coincidently, posted from the Philly airport.

by John R on Jul 14, 2009 4:27 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

Quite a bit

Don’t forget the time he took a subpar 76ers team all the way to the finals (w/ Eric Snow starting at PG), and actually win a game against the Lakers in the finals. Lebron hasn’t even won a finals game. Not saying he’s better than Lebron, but it puts some perspective on AI’s accomplishments.

by Polish Rifle on Jul 14, 2009 4:43 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

No doubt

The guy has one of the best career scoring averages we’ve ever seen . . . with little to no complimentary help and everyone’s game plan focused on him. Didn’t most say that his body would wear down about four years ago as well?
I’m not in favor of signing him to this young team that already has PG/Coach issues, but he’s a long way from chopped liver.

by cf on Jul 14, 2009 5:25 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL

First ballot hall of famer. Just ask Larry Brown (if you don’t know who he is, just look under “excellent coach”).

by Jax on Jul 14, 2009 5:38 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ya

I looked and found Brown, Larry a few names under Dunleavy, Mike.

:)

by supac on Jul 14, 2009 6:15 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Err

Above, not under…

by supac on Jul 14, 2009 6:16 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

ramon sessions

would we even be able to offer Sessions more than the MLE ?

by andrewexd on Jul 14, 2009 12:04 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

could we not use the trade exception we have. As far as I understood, we could use it without having to trade anyone for Ramon. Hard to judge what level they would match at I suppose but I’d love us to go for him.

Bingo! Oh me oh my!

by ClippersUK on Jul 14, 2009 12:20 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

i think the trade exception is only for trades, not FA signings.

by andrewexd on Jul 14, 2009 12:22 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh, ok. Shame.

Guess the max at mid level would be what we could offer then. Surely the Bucks would match that?

Bingo! Oh me oh my!

by ClippersUK on Jul 14, 2009 12:28 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

We could use the trade exception in a sign and trade. Of course, Milwaukee would have to agree to that. I’d love to see Sessions on the Clippers, but it’s probably a long shot. Still, it’s a good sign that the Clippers are showing interest. Apparantly, they were also interested in Jarrett Jack before he signed with Toronto. That would have been a very solid backup PG, too.

They also spoke with representatives for Milwaukee guard Ramon Sessions, as well as Indiana’s Jarrett Jack, before Jack signed an offer sheet with the Toronto Raptors, in their pursuit of a backup point.

by ClipCat on Jul 14, 2009 12:31 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Use the trade exception in the sign and trade...

Might be complicated by base year compensation issues. I actually think it works fine… since it’s an exception and not a body, but Sessions would be a BYC guy with a new, expensive contract. The problem is I don’t know of any examples of a BYC S&T for a Trade exception.

In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd

by Steve Perrin on Jul 14, 2009 5:22 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

 Even if we used the trade exception, the trade exception can’t be used combined with players from our side so what would we give up ?

by andrewexd on Jul 14, 2009 5:48 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

picks probably.

by hans007 on Jul 14, 2009 7:56 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

2nd rounders or exchanging second rounders.

War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength.-1984 George Orwell.

by tomkanti on Jul 14, 2009 9:12 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Here's how it could work...

If the Clippers want to pay Sessions more than the MLE (bearing in mind that few if any other teams would be willing to do that), assuming Milwaukee is willing to play along… they can do the sign and trade using the Trade Exception as the salary matching. Base Year Compensation complications aside (I admit I’m confused on that, but I don’t think it is an issue in the end), that’s a legal trade under the cap. In order to get Milwaukee to play along, you send either cash or a pick back. You don’t have to give up much, since they stand to lose him anyway, so a future second rounder is probably enough.

In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd

by Steve Perrin on Jul 15, 2009 11:05 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

"In the final analysis, I think the Clippers will pass on Iverson. "

So then we can expect Iverson to be a Clipper by day’s end. Clipper Steve mojo.

Do not worry. (Matthew 6:27)

by mikey p on Jul 14, 2009 12:28 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

HAHA

Good one MP. I’m surprised we haven’t heard the announcement yet. “Clips Sign Iverson, Foil Clipper Steve Yet Again”

by moKi on Jul 14, 2009 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Classic

Exactly right. All but confirmed.

by citizen zhiv on Jul 14, 2009 3:27 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Now that SP said it won't happen

it definitely will.

In Gordon we trust

by bestclipfan on Jul 14, 2009 12:53 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Except

that Steve is no longer on the outside looking in

by Jax on Jul 14, 2009 5:40 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not so long ago ...

Just a few weeks ago, Dunleavy used last year’s roster turnover as his excuse for last season’s failures. The near consensus here was that Dunleavy completely lost the respect of his players, and his chances of ever really recovering that respect were pretty remote. And Ricky Davis served as a cautionary reminder against signing past-their-prime vets with checkered pasts.

Even making the optimistic assumption that the addition of Blake Griffin changes that dynamic, Dunleavy’s command of the team is still a critical unknown. Adding Iverson to the mix seems like a naive leap of faith to me. Still, I suppose a case can be made that no stone should be left unturned, and it doesn’t hurt to talk to Iverson about a 6th man role. But Dunleavy will have to be very brave or very foolish to pull the trigger this time.

by ClipCat on Jul 14, 2009 1:08 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Marcus Camby

Seems pretty involved with the organization for only coming here last year. He seems to be around Dunleavy a lot even outside of games and practice, hopefully this means they get along.

I know he’s said he likes it here, but we’ve seen how players tend to “say the right things” and then bolt….so this is encouraging to me.

I’m torn between buying a Camby jersey or Griffin one.

I do have this curse where when I buy someone’s jersey they leave, so I am a bit scared.

by Newtybar on Jul 14, 2009 3:15 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Buy a Griffin one

Camby will be gone by the deadline.

by Michael White on Jul 14, 2009 3:22 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Buy a Camby jersey

I feel the same way about a curse of buying a player I like. I vow never to buy an active player’s jersey

by Qlippers on Jul 14, 2009 3:42 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Is there a game today?

if so, why isn’t it prepped on NBA.COM?

by STUCK IN LA on Jul 14, 2009 4:16 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Weak Sauce straight from HOOPSWORLD.COM

A good read, until this…

Why would Iverson throw his lot in with the Clippers and their sad sack reputation at a time when even they don’t seem to need him? Because that’s how far he’s fallen. That’s how desperate he is.

Why would the Clippers spoil their newest era of good feeling and all of the positive vibes spinning around Griffin to risk the turbulence that could be Iverson? Because they’re the Clippers.

by STUCK IN LA on Jul 14, 2009 5:29 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Baron's latest tweet.
Everybody’s been askin about the A.I. talks… I LOVE AI… He is TOP 50

by EdfromAZ on Jul 14, 2009 7:23 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I hope you're right, Steve.

Signing Iverson would go against what the Clippers appear to be working towards. They have a great young core that has a chance to develop with Zach Randoph out of the picture. Bringing AI into the fold would simply negate all the positives of trading Z-Bo. I’m not doubting that he’s still got a lot left in the tank, but he clearly doesn’t want to come off the bench and that’s what he’d have to do with the Clips. He is also not that mature veteran type, as evidenced by his thoughts on practice. That’s the last influence that young studs like Blake Griffin and Eric Gordon need.

"If a Clippers fan is reading a newspaper in his living room and the ceiling falls on him, he'll just shrug and move to another room." -Bill Simmons

by WestsideBrandon on Jul 15, 2009 3:08 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I think that this might be a bit of an overstatement

I suspect that MDSr gravitates towards players like AI and ZBo (and EB) because they are good offensive iso players. AI can break down a defense singlehandedly, as can ZBo to some degree. There aren’t alot of players out there who have his offensive game, and although he’s lost a step supposedly, he’s still quite capable.

While it is true that AI did make the statement about practice, he also plays hurt and plays tons of minutes, unilke alot of prima donna NBA vets. He also gives 100% while he’s on the court, again something that cannot be said of alot of others.

If I were the Clippers I’d at have to give him a look.

by Jax on Jul 15, 2009 3:29 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

the practice comment is what 8 years old now? The guy leaves everything out on the floor. which was the rest of the practice comment. If he is willing to come off the bench I don’t mind signing him at all. IF anyhting he’s somewhat of a positive influence in that case. Just as long as he at least tries to play in the system and doesnt think he’s AI circa 2001.

This is the same AI who you had to pull for during those 2004 games. when melo and paul pierce who are “great players” to most fans were acting like idiots and pouting AI was there doing everything he could for that team and wanting to come back. I think honestly that is his best quality, he leaves it on the floor.

by hans007 on Jul 15, 2009 8:45 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

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