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Some thoughts on Lamar Odom



Just wondering if it's worth asking the question of whether the Clippers, with their MLE and trade exception, should be mentioning our old friend LO, still dangling out there, especially amidst all of the Iverson talk. 

KA--who just put up a nice two-games-in Summer League update--talked about the Clips basic needs in his "Answer Me Not" post yesterday.  There's the backup PG, 3rd guard issue, but the second need is the defense/rebounder wing player, the glue guy.  A big part of the intent in this desire is to find someone who is a solid enough starter at SF, allowing Al Thornton to perhaps come off the bench, making him more of a pure scorer and compensating for his passing, handling, rebounding and defensive deficiencies.

The prototypes, as discussed, are Shane Battier, Tayshaun Prince, and newbie flavor-of-the-offseason Trevor Ariza. They're defense-oriented versatile SFs who you could make a good case for as starters ahead of AT.  The longer list is out there somewhere.  At first glance Odom doesn't seem to be one of these guys, because he was coming off the bench himself last year, and he has been playing PF almost exclusively for a number of years now.  But that's a bit deceptive, based on the Lakers particular situation. 

The fact is that LO is a remarkably versatile player.  He was able to adapt to the Lakers' needs, rather than the other way around.

And I'll cut into my comments to mention that in my view the Lakers are low-balling LO in a certain, only because of their tax status and the Bynum deal and others that they have to live with, but the part that's unseemly is the way that they're using their media-darling status to continue to force the issue and make it seem like LO isn't responding to a generous deal.  It's virtually impossible for the Lakers to pay LO what he's worth.  It's his bad luck that he's a UFA, with a shiny new ring no less, in a year when no one has money and the economic outlook for the league is very poor.  But Turkoglu and Ben Gordon got big deals, and LO's agent knows that he's going to be leaving 10-20 million--a whole lot of money, with 1 or 2 million of it going to the agent--on the table if he signs a 3-year deal now, and has to go back to try to get his next deal when he's past his prime.  The timing is worse when you look at last year's deals (Maggette, Baron Davis, just to name two close to home) and next year's deals, where a guy like Boozer doesn't opt out, to get paid now to join the much more high stakes 2010 musical chairs.

But back to LO and how he might fit on the Clippers.  There's a question of whether Blake Griffin can play the 3, but there was never any question of whether LO could--the question was whether he could play the 4.  It was Miami's needs and then the Lakers lack of a PF that has made him seem so clearly a PF.  With the Clippers abundance of bigs (Kaman-Camby-Jordan) and the arrival of BGriffin, LO's potential role on the Clips would be what it used to be back in the day, when they had FElton locked in at SF and Olowocancer at the 5.  He would be the starting SF.  He would get some minutes at PF when Griffin goes to the bench, and he might take away some PF minutes of Camby.

LO's rebounding is outstanding for a player in this role, as is his ability to distribute.  His defense would seem to be solid enough.  Perhaps he's not a lockdown, perimeter wing defender, not a Battier or a Prince, but he can definitely get the job done.

Of course, you get into some major "it's the Clippers" issues, that might reach new heights in this case.  How could LO leave the championship Lakers to go to the dysfunctional Clips?  That's just how crazy he is!  Who needs him--we've got Kobe!  And Ron Artest!  Etc. etc.  Odom's reasons would be economic.  It seems crazy for him to accept a 5 year deal at the MLE--the Ariza deal--rather than the Lakers seemingly generous, tax-burdened 3/27-30 deal, but the 5 or 7 million dollars is... a guaranteed 5-7 million dollars.  And LO hasn't taken that deal yet.  Does a 1-year MLE deal, playing for next year when there's more money out there?  Why not try, then, to make a 1 yr/10 million deal with the Lakers?  Would the Lakers do a sign-and-trade?  Would they do one with the Clippers?  Would LO take the deal that we discussed for Shawn Marion, using the trade exception?  Was that better than the deal he could make with the teams he's talking to now?  Do the Clippers want to use up future capspace on Odom?  Would Griffin/Odom/Gordon fit in the way I'm imagining?  Lots and lots of questions.

As far as the insane, improbable return, It's worth remembering that MDSr was not the coach when LO left the Clips.  Miami made a last second, very pricey offer to LO, and the Clips chose not to match what seemed to be an inflated deal.  Matching FElton came first, and matching on the Maggs deal was much easier.  And the Clips were just taking their first baby steps towards financial respectability at that stage.  The Clips have changed, and they're on the rise, with Griffin.  It's really unfortunate that BDavis was so horrible last year, negating his ability to get involved in attracting talented players to the team.

Believe me, I know that these are even more extreme zhivings than the norm, and the argument leaks from dozens of holes.  But a simple version of it is this:  who would you rather have the Clips sign:  Lamar Odom or Allen Iverson.  The obvious, easy answer is neither, of course.

And then there's the idea of making a healthy offer to Odom just to mess with the Lakers.  At least an amusing thought.  

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I like the idea of getting a guy who can play both SF and PF

As I said with Marion, I think it is a good idea to target a versatile guy (LO screams versatile) who can start at the 3. Considering most of us think BG is going to start, a pretty reasonable concern is about BG getting into foul trouble early. If Odom was on the team, LO can move to the 4 and AT can come in and play the 3. This keeps you from having to use Camby alot at the 4 (admittedly I’m lower on Camby than many on this board.)

That being said, I see nearly no chance of LO coming back to the Clippers. But offering the Marion deal? I’d do it- doubt he’d take it.

by Michael White on Jul 15, 2009 12:43 PM PDT reply actions  

BIG diff in AI v. LO scenarios

The only reason AI is even a consideration is b/c he’s willing to take a one year contract, which wouldn’t at all affect our ability to be players in 2010.

LO on the other hand is demanding a 5 year deal (which is why negotiations with the Lakers broke down). It makes no sense at all for the Clips to sign a 29 yr old to a 5 yr deal unless that guy is an All-Star. Not when this team is built around a trio of 20 yr olds.

Not to mention that LO trashed the Clips after he left. It doesn’t matter if Dun wasn’t the coach. He absolutely stabbed this org in the back after it stuck by him during his own stupid mistakes.

And beyond all that, on the court, as versatile and talented as LO is, he’s not much of a small forward anymore. He’s not as quick as he used to be and he was never that good of a defender to begin with. Going forward he’ll be a PF to end his career and we don’t need to spend money on another PF.

by madglove on Jul 15, 2009 12:44 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

As a fan, I felt slighted when he left and knocked the club on his way out.

Felt like he owed me something for time spent waiting for him to mature or heal.

by oneight on Jul 15, 2009 8:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

yeah im not sure why LO isnt treated more like FElton on these boards

by andrewexd on Jul 15, 2009 9:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

Lamar has been critical to the Lakers success ever since the arrival of Pau Gasol, good or bad. He disappeared in the 2008 Finals, and the Lakers rolled over. Not saying they could’ve won, Celtics cleary were, and are again, a better and tougher team than LAL. This year, the Lakers won because LO stepped up his game. I’m a firm believer that Kobe-Pau-Odom is miles ahead of Kobe-Pau-Bynum. Much of Lamar’s success comes from being a third fiddle. That being said, I think he would be an excellent fit for the Clippers. My two concerns are attitude and expecations. Would LO be happy being back with Sterling? Don’t think so. And with his role being different here, it’s hard to gauge how well he will do. He’s also getting older, and a contract like the one he wants could be an albatross.

All things considered, I’d love to be able to stick it to the Lakers. If Lamar somehow comes over, I’d be happy with it. At this point, I’d rather we go after Ramon Sessions than Lamar or The (Not) Answer.

by Gordon for President on Jul 15, 2009 12:44 PM PDT reply actions  

I'd be down with LO

Definitely LO over AI. Haha, getting Q and LO back together would be fun I guess…

What about these former Clipper options: Shaun Livingston? Tim Thomas? Darius Miles?

by banandy on Jul 15, 2009 1:17 PM PDT reply actions  

do the clips fan want a guy who grabs his groin while dunking agains the team?

Roger Sterling: I bet there were people in the Bible walking around, complaining about "kids today."
Don Draper: Kids today, they have no one to look up to. Cuz they're looking up to us.

by Lawler's Law on Jul 15, 2009 1:19 PM PDT reply actions  

classless is classless regardless if you're on a winning team or not...

Roger Sterling: I bet there were people in the Bible walking around, complaining about "kids today."
Don Draper: Kids today, they have no one to look up to. Cuz they're looking up to us.

by Lawler's Law on Jul 15, 2009 1:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

hahah thats pimp.

by robi s on Jul 15, 2009 2:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

being a laker fan, id gladly trade you guys LO for Blake : )

on a more serious not, the lakers would probably consider taking Baron and Camby for LO

by robi s on Jul 15, 2009 2:03 PM PDT reply actions  

on a more serious not, the lakers would probably consider taking Baron and Camby for LO

Um, where do I sign?

by Michael White on Jul 15, 2009 2:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

i’d do that deal in a heartbeat

by shoothoop on Jul 15, 2009 3:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'll add

You throw Sasha and Sun Yue, We’ll throw in EJ, DJ and Minny’s #1 pick. Sounds like an even trade.

by Qlippers on Jul 15, 2009 5:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

No.

EG > LO. I’ll stay with EG thank you very much.

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by JackduhSun on Jul 15, 2009 5:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

You throw Sasha and Sun Yue, We’ll throw in EJ, DJ and Minny’s #1 pick. Sounds like an even trade.

As a Lakers fan, I’d actually seriously consider that. Davis, for one, would be motivated to play for a championship (as much as he can be motivated to do anything), we get a terrific backup to Kobe, and Camby replaces Lamar as sixth man.

Not that it would seriously happen at any juncture.

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by Ben R on Jul 16, 2009 12:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

mwwhite, do you want to give the Lakers another championship. No way that trade is worth doin

by Sam50 on Jul 17, 2009 7:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

Another excellent post, Zhiv...

The one thing you left out is that Lamar is not much of a shooter, never has been… and, as madglove pointed out, he seems to be slowing down, playing mostly pf these days. Still an awesome player despite all the misgivings, generous with the ball, a good team guy. I agree that it’s a shame to see him treated somewhat shabbily by the Lakers… he’s far more important to the team than the overpaid, unproven Bynum. I can’t find any fault in offering him a year at ten million.

by swamigusto on Jul 15, 2009 2:35 PM PDT reply actions  

I dunno he’s a decent shooter for his size. He shot some nice 3s last season

by AtotheZ on Jul 15, 2009 3:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

i highly doubt he’d come to the clippers. if he is getting the MLE he’s taking it in miami.

Miami has no state income tax (so he’d only pay income tax on the 41 road games a year),, he’d start for the heat probably with beasley at small forward or off the bench.

Or even the dallas offer.

I think lamar could probably play the 3 , but we probably want a quicker 3 than that. Too bad al thornton cant learn how to play defense or turn into something other than a black hole.

Al thornton is stacy patton from “eddie” sadly. The sad irony is that stacy patton was played by the late malik sealy who was a former clipper and probably the type of “glue guy” we want starting at the 3.

by hans007 on Jul 15, 2009 3:41 PM PDT reply actions  

Wow, an Eddie referrence. Love it.

And RIP Stacy Patton…AKA Malik Sealy.

by Gordon for President on Jul 15, 2009 5:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

i think i’d give whoopi a 10 game trial run for the entire preseason.

by hans007 on Jul 15, 2009 9:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

That's what I'm talkin' about!

Bring on Eddie!

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by CLiPPz WeRD 12 on Jul 15, 2009 10:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

I regretted losing Odom in 2003

I would certainly rather have him than the 2009 version of Iverson.

I think Lamar’s best bet is to take a one year deal for as much as he can, and then enter the 2010 sweepstakes, when other teams have $$$.

I can’t wrap my head around Portland not giving LO 4 years/$40M. He is the perfect fit for what they are trying to do. Much better than Millsap.

Do not worry. (Matthew 6:27)

by mikey p on Jul 15, 2009 4:09 PM PDT reply actions  

we didnt lose him, he left

by andrewexd on Jul 15, 2009 9:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

Clippers chose not to match Miami's offer

Probably a good idea, economically speaking. But I really liked that core group of Brand, Odom, Maggette, Richardson (and Miles, though he was gone by then)..

Do not worry. (Matthew 6:27)

by mikey p on Jul 16, 2009 8:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

And

And the offer certainly did seem to be on the high side. And the Clips were simultaneously matching offers on FElton and Maggs, spending real money for the first time, taking two little boy steps towards franchise legitimacy (drafting LO and trading for FElton and Maggs were the baby steps, I suppose). And LO’s Clipper tenure was fairly rocky, to say the least, with his stumbles and injuries. And the standard was high because he got off to such a great start.

Interesting to think what might have happened if they had matched the offer. Forget the Q part, although he would have been around and playing that year, in MDSrs first season. He would have been coming off the bench, rather than a starter.

So the group would have been FElton, Odom, Maggs, Q going into an RFA year, and Jaric and Dooling. Who else? Who am I forgetting?

The Clips were just trying out (little boy steps) the idea of letting the market determine the price, and trying not to overpay guys. They weren’t at the stage—and still aren’t, probably—of possibly overpaying guys by a certain amount, looking at the near future, with the idea that a contract might be traded down the road.

by citizen zhiv on Jul 16, 2009 10:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

exactly, a la mark cuban

Clippers Basketball.... It's Masochistic!

by Clipochistic on Jul 16, 2009 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

Olowakandi...

You want to forget him, but you can’t.

by swamigusto on Jul 16, 2009 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

portland doesnt have enough cap space to make that offer.

by robi s on Jul 15, 2009 10:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

Portland can only offer $9 million

After renouncing a few Euro players on their cap hold.

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by Ben R on Jul 16, 2009 12:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

Odom has overrated his own market value

he’s silly not to take the lakers offer of 3/$27, especially given this years buyer’s market.

he’s getting bad advice.

typical athlete/star hubris..

Clippers Basketball.... It's Masochistic!

by Clipochistic on Jul 15, 2009 4:45 PM PDT reply actions  

Disagree

He should not take the crap the Lakers are throwing his way, and he should be insulted that they gave Bynum $50M, Luke Walton $30M, and Vlad Rad $30M.

Also, why can’t the Lakers let the guy check out the market first instead of pulling their deal?

Do not worry. (Matthew 6:27)

by mikey p on Jul 15, 2009 5:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

well, that might be the case

but marion’s deal set a market precident at 5/39 for a combo forward.

im not going to compare skill by skill between the two (its futile), but i dont see how odom gets more than marion. especially 2 mill per year more.

either 3/27 or 5/36 should be fair deals for LO. he wants 5/50.

they overpaid all those other guys in seller’s market years. if you think about it, its kind of genius to overpay guys as long as you have deep pockets. it only increases your future flexibility (given unlimited funds).

Clippers Basketball.... It's Masochistic!

by Clipochistic on Jul 15, 2009 6:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

uh... the difference is that odom is wearing a ring...

Marion didn’t really do much for the Heat or the Raptors.

by swamigusto on Jul 15, 2009 7:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

odom was a bench player

played less than 30 minutes per night, was a stiff on defense and limped around all year.

marion dint have kobe/gasol.

i’m not saying marion’s better, i’m just saying they should command similar dollars.

i would take marion over lo if given a choice all things equal, the reason is marion is a def stopper and that is something the clips really need.

also, i wouldnt be against the clips picking up odom (i have an odom jersey), i like him. he can fill the 3 and the 4.

he doesnt have a great fondness for the clips, not to mention he wants too much money, so i imagine its a moot point.

Clippers Basketball.... It's Masochistic!

by Clipochistic on Jul 15, 2009 8:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

i’d have to say that odom does a pretty good job on D, until he hurt his back against 4s.

He also blocked a good number of shots. Maybe some post clipper odom hate….(i have a blue odom swingman jersey… and also would like to be able to wear it again haha)

That said, the reason you sign odom for MORE than marion is that marion is an “athlete” who is losing it. he is not a great shooter, can’t pass, create his own shot, or dribble. And he’s going to lose his bread and butter athleticism.

Lamar probably will be someone who ages better, sort of like rasheed wallace. Not to mention marion was a prima donna pouter in phoenix, and lamar probably would be a better chemistry guy as well.

by hans007 on Jul 15, 2009 8:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

i think 3/27 compared to say miami at 5/36 is pretty foolish anyway.

first off he’s just about to turn 30. he’s not even 30 yet. if you were lamar, who would average a double double and start on most teams, you aren’t signing 3 year deals in the prime of your career.

lets say he signs for 27 million over 3 years , to come off the bench for the lakers. i’m assuming he doesnt care about winning aring as much since he has one now and wants to get rewarded (i think i’d thinklike this if i just won a ring).

CA income tax is 10.3%. so its more like 24.5 / 3 vs 36 / 5 with the heat (no income tax). so basically, given he’d start on the heat… to make equivalent moneyto the heat, he has to find another MLE deal when he’s about to turn 33 in 3 years to make equivalent to even an MLE deal with the mavs or heat right now.

I mean given the risk factors of injury or lamar just turning crappy, turning into a weed addict who knows,… maybe 36/5 isnt so bad. in 3 years with the salary cap shrinking the MLE will actually be less than it is now and he’ll be nearly 33. So I can see why he’s trying to get more than 3/27. I think utah will match milsap, since it sounds like theya re trading boozer. So he might as well wait and see what portland does, and at worst he goes to miami which is really not much worse an offer than the laker one.

by hans007 on Jul 15, 2009 5:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

Club Optimism

again at its best….good stuff Zhiv.
I am going to have to say pass on Lamar Scr-Odom though. He is and always will be a second fiddle guy and I don’t see the Clippers having that super-star yet to complement him…or should I say for him to complement.
The Lakers ARE low-balling him, and he should get paid, but just not by the Clips.

Do or do not. There is no try.

by Clip Show on Jul 15, 2009 4:48 PM PDT reply actions  

Knowing LO

he’ll be caught with a bong at the airport after his signing to the clips.

by Qlippers on Jul 15, 2009 5:15 PM PDT reply actions  

It's a tobacco waterpipe!

;-)

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by CLiPPz WeRD 12 on Jul 15, 2009 7:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

Lamar would not do it

LO has made it clear what he thinks of the clips. I don’t think he would change his mind.

by itcouldbeworse on Jul 15, 2009 7:14 PM PDT reply actions  

Why?

Provide us some reasoning, please. He sat out half a season for smoking weed, but the Clips supported him fully, then he told the Clips that he needed to go to Miami because, “It’s my destiny.”
Crap. But he was what, 23 at the time? Chalk it up to youth. No big deal. Then Miami trades him a year later to the Lakers for Shaq. So much for destiny. If anyone was maligned here it was the Clippers.
But now, if he leaves the Lakers, does he go back to Miami (or wherever) for less money than the Clips can pay? Hogwash. Clips money is as good as anyone else’s, only better, BECAUSE THERE’S MORE OF IT.
And perhaps his “destiny” is back where he started.

by swamigusto on Jul 15, 2009 7:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

didn’t he practically beg sterling not to match the miami offer?

by shoothoop on Jul 15, 2009 8:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

Let's be fair...

It’s easy as a fan to criticize these athletes who invariably can come across as greedy, ungrateful or whatever. But the truth is that this is their career…not yours. Put in the same situation, I know I would be thinking about myself and “what’s best for me and my family”.

Think about your own job and the company you work for and how quickly you’d jump ship if there was a better opportunity for you elsewhere.

Yes, I’m annoyed that EB left us, but I wouldn’t be so quick to bash him lest you be a hypocrite…same goes for Lamar.

by banandy on Jul 15, 2009 9:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

not sure if that is completely fair

i have left several companies for seemingly better positions elsewhere.

never have i felt the need to rub anyone’s face in it, or publicly state how far away from a place i am wanting to get, or how much more money i am going to make.

being a clipper fan for so long, he really offended me with his outgoing remarks and i will never forget it. i wanted them to re-sign him so bad.

if its my team, eb and lo are out forever.

but like i have said before, i will not be too bummed out if they sign him. at least it shows the willingness to spend money. straight up, he could help this team.

that outweighs any of the old karma in my book.

Clippers Basketball.... It's Masochistic!

by Clipochistic on Jul 15, 2009 9:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

I agree with all this...

Lamar said unkind things, and he acted like a boor, but so what? It’s sport. Memories are necessarily short. Look at all the players who change teams, often winding up on their former arch-rivals.

The thing that really bothers me, and perhaps it’s exacerbated by my dislike of the Lakers in general, is Jerry Buss’s apparent annoyance that Lamar was talking to other teams. Does he think the Lakers had earned the right of an exclusive negotiation? Why? Because the Lakers provided Lamar Odom with a championship? Uh… no… Lamar Odom and his teammates won a championship on a team assembled by the Laker organization. Kudos to both, but negotiations are negotiations.

by swamigusto on Jul 16, 2009 8:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yup.

I don’t like the double standard that professional sports teams and even us fans seem to have with its players. This is not family. It’s a business.

by banandy on Jul 16, 2009 10:02 AM PDT up reply actions  

Hear hear--and more

I don’t like the way that the wondrous Laker organization is spinning things to make it seem like it’s so obvious that anybody should want to play for them, that they’re winners.

The fact is that it’s a bad situation for LO—there aren’t a lot of teams with any capspace, and the economy is bad so there’s belt-tightening going on—, and the Lakers are in a bad position, because they’re paying the tax and they have contracts with one superstar, Kobes, an elite player, the Spaniard, and a promising young center, Bynum, along with the deals for Walton and Vujacic that they probably wish they didn’t have, and they’re probably thinking twice about the Bynum money.

If LO was the priority they could have started with him and not signed Artest, of course. There’s that.

And saying that the offer is being withdrawn because he’s negotiating with other teams just isn’t very truthful. It’s spiteful, to a certain degree.

The offer has been withdrawn because it was a stretch, and a bit impulsive. It was definitely as far as they wanted to go—even though they knew it was less than LO’s true value, in a decent market, or even next year—and as the clock ticked it was the type of thing that you think twice about. They were ready to give millions and millions of dollars of their own profits not to LO, but to the NBA. It didn’t make a lot of sense—a lot of us were surprised that they were willing to spend so much money.

The Star of Stars is a guy who could make this deal happen. Kobe is ready to close an extension, and he’s expecting nothing less than the absolute maximum that he can get. If he wants LO—and to compete for championships next year and in the future—he could significantly but reasonably reduce his own money, and save the Lakers tax money in the process, so that they could make a deal. He doesn’t seem to be doing this because he’s an arrogant lamer that Clipper fans generally despise, and he’s not a Tim Duncan, but mostly because he has a real need to be top dog now and forever and he won’t be able to live with himself next year during the LeBron/Wade sweepstakes. But Kobe could make the Lamar deal happen. I don’t know the details of how that would work, but I’m pretty sure it would be easy for him. And Kobe would make the money back by sacrificing to attempt to create a dynasty, while he is regaining his good guy status and endorsement money. In fact, a step like this would actually be a really good way for him to make a lot of money by giving up some money, as he could be the saviour, the great guy who is all about winning and loyalty and the organization. But I really don’t think he does that kind of thing, and that’s one of the reasons we don’t like him.

by citizen zhiv on Jul 16, 2009 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yes, absolutely!

The only problem with that idea is that it would make the Kobe-worshipers even more insufferable.
Gee… wouldn’t it be great if holier-than-thou Jerry Buss pulled the same stunt on Kobe that he did on Lamar! What if he made a less-than-max offer for Kobe and Kobe refused to sign… how would the press perceive that one? Would they sit around and talk about how Kobe should take one for the good of the team? Hell no! They’d ride the old coot and his weirdo family right out of town!

by swamigusto on Jul 16, 2009 1:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well... uh... that's pretty damning...

…but I still think it’s a load. The Clips had already brought in Dunleavy, matched Brand and signed Maggette. Miami was front-loading a contract to make it very poisonous for Lamar to sign with the Clips. The line about getting as far away from the Clippers as possible is interesting, but I think it was spoken by a guy who was unable or unwilling to say how he really felt… he didn’t want the Clips to match, and it was much easier to damn the Clippers than admit that he wanted to go to Miami and play for the charismatic and legendary Pat Riley. Lamar was head over heels for Riley! He’d grown up in NY watching Riley strut his stuff courtside on the Garden floor.
Of course, so much for destiny… Riley, not long thereafter, jilted Lamar, when he fell in love with another, bigger ballplayer.
My point is marginal here… I don’t know if the Clips have any interest in Lamar Odom, nor he, them, but if anyone might harbor bitter memories, I think it would be the Clips, not Lamar.

by swamigusto on Jul 15, 2009 9:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

lo has a thing for being 'courted'

no doubt.

he always has had one eye on the horizon…

to lo, the grass on the other side has never been greener, khehe.

Clippers Basketball.... It's Masochistic!

by Clipochistic on Jul 15, 2009 9:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

totally

he prolly has a little chip about both. i can see him considering them both hot ex-girlfriends.

who will he fall in LOve with next? i dont think anyone has the 10$ million per he is asking for.

which probably makes the hot ex-girlfriends really attractive.

Clippers Basketball.... It's Masochistic!

by Clipochistic on Jul 16, 2009 9:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

LAMAR HECK NO

No way I want him back after letting us down twice when he was here for smoking pot , he is not that great anyways it should be the other way around Artest is the one who deserves the mulla not L.O !!! He is just like the other guys who left town talking smack and were nothing but bust after they went to other teams for example Maurice Taylor . Lorenzen Wright , Derek Anderson adios

by Westball3r98 on Jul 16, 2009 11:15 AM PDT reply actions  

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