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Randolph to the Grizzlies a Reality

Zach Randolph is being recycled to the Memphis Grizzlies.

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Zach Randolph is being recycled to the Memphis Grizzlies.

First things first: thanks to Citizen Zhiv for getting the news up on the front page of Clips Nation.  I had just finished posting earlier in the afternoon when Mark Heisler of the LA Times broke the story.  I'm not sure what this one says about my legendary reverse-mojo - yes, I had just written that the Clippers were likely to have a quiet July.  But in the same post, I surmised that Randolph for Richardson was still a possibility if the Grizz were interested.  So was I exactly wrong or exactly right?  Hard to say.

But what's important at this point is the trade, and frankly it's about as good as the Clippers could have hoped for.  It's being reported as Zach Randolph for Quentin Richardson, straight up.  Of course Richardson doesn't make nearly as much as Randolph, but the Grizzlies are under the salary cap, so they are allowed to take on the extra salary.  Because Zach had two seasons at $16M and $17.3M left on his deal compared to Richardson's $8.7M this season, the Clippers will save about $24.6M overall because of this trade.  More importantly, they'll clear cap space for the 2010 off season when some huge names are going to become free agents.

Star-divide

There are several positive aspects of this trade that are worth examining. 

  • 2010 cap space - By my math, the Clippers now have about $37M committed to seven players during the crucial off-season of 2010.  The salary cap is a little under $59M right now, and is not expected to go up this year - it may even go down a little.  If the economy bounces back, the cap could go up some more for the 2010-2011 season.  So figure maybe $60M, but it could be more or less.  So the immediate reaction is 'Sweet! $23M to spend on free agents!'  But not so fast.  The mega-names like LeBron and DWade will of course expect maximum contracts - for eight year vets, that's 30% of the cap - $18M per.  So yes, in theory the Clippers will have enough money to make a maximum offer.  But with a few roster spots to fill yet this year, the team will have to resist any contracts longer than one year to preserve all of that space.  That means they have to think long and hard before agreeing to a three year deal for Steve Novak or Fred Jones.  Not that it's a huge issue, but it's something to consider.
  • Trade chips now - Examples of the "Law of unintended consequences" are rampant in the NBA Collective Bargaining Agreement.  The 'Trade Exception' is one of the best.  The Clippers are of course thrilled to take back less salary in this deal than they sent out.  That's a gift in and of itself.  But as if that weren't enough, they also get a $7.3M trade exception to use within the next year.  This allows them to trade for a player without sending anyone out.  In addition, the Clippers now have Richardson's expiring contract to add to their already impressive collection that includes those of Marcus Camby, Ricky Davis and Mardy Collins.  Basically, the Clippers have almost unlimited freedom to match salaries for any team looking to dump salary this season.  It goes without saying that "Preserving 2010 cap space" and "Trading exceptions and expiring contracts" are mutually exclusive - you can't do both.  But if the opportunity to get that special player presents itself via trade sooner rather than later (think Pau Gasol to the Lakers) then the Clippers are in a position to act.
  • Addition by subtraction - This is always a theoretical discussion - there's no way to prove addition by subtraction - but Zach Randolph has never been considered the best locker room influence.  With a solid young core suddenly in place in LA, and with Randolph unlikely to figure into the team's plans beyond two seasons even in the best case scenario, it was far more likely that he would do long term damage than long term good.  In that sense, moving forward without him now is the smart move.
  • Playing time for Griffin - The Clippers won the lottery in May, and drafted the consensus number one pick a week ago - and that number one pick's natural position happens to be power forward, the same position Zach Randolph plays.  For all of the talk of Griffin being able to play small forward, he's pretty much a prototypical power forward - where that extra quickness he has will create matchup nightmares for opponents.  If ever there was a guy who was ready to contribute right away, it's Blake Griffin - yes, he has to work on his shooting, but I expect him to be a terror on the boards immediately.  So it's clearly a good thing to free up playing time for him.
  • Style of play - The Clippers have been talking about becoming more of a running team since the lottery.  Several players penciled into the starting lineup would theoretically thrive in an uptempo attack, most notably Baron Davis and Griffin.  But Zach Randolph was clearly not going to be filling a lane on the fast break.  It remains to be seen if MDsr can actually implement a faster system, or if he'll revert to more familiar ways.  But removing Zach from the equation takes away a major temptation for the iso loving Dunleavy.
  • Depth on the wing - It's far from clear whether Quentin Richardson can contribute a lot.  His back has been gimpy for several years now and it has diminished his effectiveness.  But before the trade the Clippers were overloaded at the 4 and 5, and very thin at the 2 and 3 - and Richardson plays the 2 and 3, so he provides some depth even if it's not of the highest quality.  He has become something of a three point specialist in recent years - about half of his field goal attempts last season were from beyond the arc, and he made 36.5% of them, which was a tick better than his career percentage.  As a counter point to Al Thornton (who doesn't shoot well from distance) it's a nice weapon to have on offense.  But he's certainly not the 'glue guy' we were hoping for. 

I've said all along that the Mobley and Thomas for Randolph trade was incomplete until we knew more.  Many pundits declared it a bad deal last season, and that was clearly pre-mature.  The Clippers gave up nothing long term other than cap space when Mobley and Thomas left - and now they have that cap space back.  Could the team have done better in a trade with Mobley and Thomas?  Well, given that most of us probably want the Clippers to just let Q and Camby and Ricky expire rather than trying to trade them now, it doesn't seem so.  So in the end it cost the team nothing to conduct a temporaty Zach Randolph experiment - he played well for the Clippers, but he became completely expendable when the ping pong balls aligned.

As for Zach, I hope he does well in Memphis.  He has gotten a bad reputation in the NBA, and I'm not convinced it's entirely deserved.  He's wildly overpaid - but that's not actually his fault.  He can certainly provide the Grizz with some low post scoring, which they desperately need.

Other than the obvious need in the post, I must say I find this a dubious trade for Memphis.  Not that it's terrible - they're getting a very productive low post player for Darko Milicic, after all.  But they seemed content to build through the draft, and they had some nice pieces in O.J. Mayo, Rudy Gay and Marc Gasol.  I also wonder why they didn't look more closely at the free agent market.  It seems possible that once Charlie Villanueva landed in Detroit, they decided to go the trade route.  David Lee and Paul Millsap (the only other logical choices) are both restricted free agents, and maybe they felt that their teams would match.  At any rate, it's a strange move for Chris Wallace - why do you dump Pau Gasol's big contract in Feb. 2007 only to add an even bigger contract in July 2009?

In a recent draft preview, I wrote that winning the lottery changed the Clippers from a team with a roster full of problems into a team with a roster full of opportunities.  It's amazing what those four ping pong balls did.  If you don't win the lottery, you don't get Blake Griffin.  If you don't get Blake Griffin, you don't trade Zach Randolph.  If you don't trade Zach Randolph, you don't have 2010 cap space.  Suddenly the Clippers look like an up and coming team.

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Memphis jumped too early

Why didn’t the Grizzlies go after Paul Milsap ? He would be alot cheaper per season than Zbo and what they need. He’s not as talented a post scorer but is a long term player, rather than zbo who is probably leaving Memphis after his contract is up.

by andrewexd on Jul 2, 2009 12:38 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Short contract is the point

My theory on Memphis is that ZBo for two years is exactly what they want, rather than Millsap, Odom, David Lee, or another PF that they would have to give a 5 or 6 year deal.

As far as trading Pau goes, you have to factor in the way that it improved their lottery position, right? They got Mayo and Thabeet, along with brother Marc (Mark?), who looks like a keeper. I’m sure they would have rather had Derrick Rose and Griffin, but that’s the way it goes. Conley is a question mark, and now Lowry and Crittendon are gone.

But Randolph adds a short-term proven scorer at the spot that they need one. Next year he’s an expiring deal. The question is whether they’d be able to go after Bosh or Boozer now, or if they think that Thabeet-MGasol will be the answer for them in two years.

by citizen zhiv on Jul 2, 2009 5:36 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You are right

Zach is in MEMs time frame, more than a FA wanting four or five years would have been. And they are probably more focused on seeing what their home grown talent can do for them rather than 2010. Four straight lotteries, and they have addressed every position on the floor.

Do not worry. (Matthew 6:27)

by mikey p on Jul 2, 2009 7:41 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

NO more ZBo

We’ll all no doubt miss his low post scoring, but hopefully Kaman can have a somewhat healthier year to fill the void. It’s amazing that Kaman is still here, despite the controversies surrounding his foot last year. Nonetheless, if anything has been learned from Yao’s foot issues, its that recoveries must not be rushed. Let’s hope his attitude shapes up.

As far as QRich goes, he’s very one dimensional these days, as can be seen by his sub-40% FG%. Maybe Mardy Collins really is the “glue guy” as Moki said. His defense is OK, and he’s not a bad passer. He’s a “fox” actually like Camby. Plus, Marcus Camby is kinda gluey as well….so maybe this roster will gel. The health of Camby and Collins would be important.

This is going to be my team, and we're going to rise together.
-Clipper Darrell

by oasisman on Jul 2, 2009 12:46 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

From a blazer fan: hearty congratulations for dumping that buffoon

this offseason is literally the stars aligning for the clips, first winning the #1 pick and getting griffin, now this absurd deal where you are not only able to dump zach but are getting cap space in return? Amazing.

Only negative thing about this is that either MDS or Donald Sterling (maybe both) will be credited as geniuses, when in reality they are the luckiest basterds on the planet.

"B-Roy is the best shooting guard I have played against"

-Ron Artest

by premthegrem on Jul 2, 2009 1:27 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

It's better to be lucky than good

Actually, kudos to Dunleavy for making this happen. I still want him gone, but he is proving adequate as a gm.

by Jonee on Jul 2, 2009 10:16 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I only want Dunleavy gone as a coach

he really is a great GM, or at least better than my Mavs’ Gm, Donnie Nelson

by tomkanti on Jul 2, 2009 10:52 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why did you guys have to get rid of Zach....

The West does not need anymore good teams :)

by Sabonis4Ever on Jul 2, 2009 1:36 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I actually think we got worse with the ZBo trade

Mike Smith on Eric Gordon: "The Clippers may have found their go to scorer."
On a second note, I want Novak back!

by JackduhSun on Jul 2, 2009 1:43 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

We felt the same way....

At first.

LaMarcus blossomed as a starter and so will Griffin.

by Sabonis4Ever on Jul 2, 2009 1:49 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Tough

say Blake is just a rookie. Don’t you think letting go of Kaman would have been a better fit? I mean Randolph was a scoring machine( granted he couldnt play a lick of defense.) Don’t you think Randolph would have been better had he played in the 2nd unit?

Mike Smith on Eric Gordon: "The Clippers may have found their go to scorer."
On a second note, I want Novak back!

by JackduhSun on Jul 2, 2009 1:54 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nah.

Who plays center? Zach cannot, would not, will not play center. Zach also won’t come off the bench. Just trust me. Be glad he’s gone.

by Sabonis4Ever on Jul 2, 2009 2:30 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The internet really made me hate the Blazers thanks to their arrogant fans.

You people talk like you’ve won a championship. I’ll trust you once the Blazers actually accomplish something.

by Michael White on Jul 2, 2009 7:31 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Whoa....

I actually like Blazers fans, there’s a comraderie there….they understand what it’s like to be in the pits and have been supportive of the Clips fans.

Unlike some other team fans on crappy teams who bash the Clips.

Sacramento fans ahem etc.

by Newtybar on Jul 2, 2009 8:45 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Whatev. To each his own I guess. I found these guys (an one in particular) to be preachy and arrogant, particularly since we couldn’t disagree more regarding Zach Randolph.

I guess it probably just gets under my skin. It never really annoyed me to have other Clipper fans rail against Zach Randolph, but I always found Portland fans to be completely disingenous on the topic. They act as though Randolph was run off and the team and the team went on to compete at a championship level. While the team has improved, there are still significant quesiton marks. I watched their 6’10 “power” forward settle for jump shot after jump shot when he was playing opposite Luis Scola (shocking they weren’t getting any foul calls.) When the subject of Randolph comes up, they show up here like a scorned former lover. It’s lame.

And moreover, while I am definately unimpressed with Lamarcus Aldridge, I don’t find the need to go to Blazers Edge and lecture them on why power forwards who play like shooting guards will always be a liability in the postseason. I’m not telling them not to come over here and post, but I find them annoying and have no problem taking swings at them. And I can’t tell them not to come here even if I wanted to, it’s not my blog. In fact SP can assert his control over me (a ban or the like.) HIs call I guess.

What’s funny is the comparison with running off Zach in Portland compared to Los Angeles. While I wasn’t all that thrilled about unloading Zach, it makes much more basketball sense for the Clippers to do it compared to when Portland did it. At least here, we have an actual PF who is going to fill that spot and a center who (when healthy) can pick up the slack in terms of offensive production (production we will lose initially by getting rid of Randolph but could be replaced by Griffin in coming years.) Whatever. As I said yesterday, I was a Clipper fan before Zach and will be one after. Besides, I’m a big enough homer that Blake Griffin will end up turning into my favorite player anyway—- love those big power forwards.

by Michael White on Jul 2, 2009 9:14 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Blazers Edgers

I actually love those guys. They’re just pushing your buttons since you’re a Z-Bo fan. EVERY sports fan tends to oversimplify – and there’s way more to Portland’s rise than trading Zach…. but there’s plenty of evidence as well that he was not helping when he was there, and that they got better when he left.

Plenty of trolls from other sites get my goat, and yeah, it’s a dictatorship in this nation, so I can ban them if I like. The good news is that now we have little to nothing to disagree about with BE guys. One big happy family, right?

In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd

by Steve Perrin on Jul 2, 2009 9:26 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just to be clear, I was not asking you above (nor would I ask you) to ban any of those guys. I was more responding to the point above, and saying that if you (as the proprietor of this blog) did not appreciate how I have responded today or in the past to the Blazers Edgers, that you could ban me. That wasn’t an ultimatum, just saying really.

by Michael White on Jul 2, 2009 9:33 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Aldridge

Actually played well in the playoffs (stats were actually better than the regular season), especially if you take out the horrid first game. Also, he shot as many FTs as Randolph. He’s also a superior defender to ZBo but not as good of an offensive rebounder. I think he’s more of a Rasheed Wallace clone where his stats will never overwhelm you but he has no real weaknesses and a few pluses.

FA in 2010.

by ClipperChuck on Jul 2, 2009 10:07 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'll take a Blazer's Edger

over Firedunleavy.com anyday =]

by Newtybar on Jul 2, 2009 10:16 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Or a 50 win team (with Zach)

To a 21 win team (with Zach)

Hate to jump in here, but that was a pretty silly example. You don’t think a few other things might have been a factor in those 4 years than having Zach on the roster?

I don’t have an issue with Blazersfan, but he does have an irrational hatred for ZBo.

by John R on Jul 2, 2009 10:15 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Zach was just a tad bit more than a role player on that 50 win team.

When he got his big payday, and the team was his. It went to the dumps.

by Sabonis4Ever on Jul 2, 2009 10:18 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Strange things to hang on Zach

That management traded away your best player and your second best player retired.

Management dismantles team over Jailblazers label, fans blame last player from the good times.

Its almost like they were rebuilding on purpose. To each their own I guess. We get it. ZBo is your symbol of the bad times.

by John R on Jul 2, 2009 10:27 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The last player from the JailBlazers era is Darius Miles (in reality its Travis Outlaw)

We can’t hold a grudge against Zach for getting a huge mega contract and not showing any leadership or ability to carry a team? His name was Stat-Bo for a reason. He was a black hole who had no desire to pass to his teammates or defend anybody.

by Sabonis4Ever on Jul 2, 2009 10:41 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Black Hole

Last season, Lamarcus Aldridge averaged 1.9 assists per 36 minutes.

Last season with the Clippers, Zach Randolph averaged 2.3 assists per 36 minutes.

The last season Randolph was in Portland he averaged 2.2 assists per 36 minutes.

Good call though.

by Michael White on Jul 2, 2009 10:50 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Assists are passes that lead to baskets

LMA does not have the ball in his possession as much as Randolph did (and Zach got 4 more shots per game). LaMarcus always passes out of double teams when he feels he can’t get a good shot up. He passes out of a post up because he knows it will come back to him. Zack never did that. Last season LaMarcus also had a better FG%, pretty good for a ‘jump shooter’. He also was 20th in the NBA in dunks per game. Zach had six dunks….all season.

by Sabonis4Ever on Jul 2, 2009 1:03 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’m surprised he had that many dunks, he can’t jump anymore. Didn’t bother me, he could still make that layup.

I’m pretty over this conversation. They don’t ever end up going anywhere. Besides, I find the whole tenor sort of tacky. I liked Randolph, but he’s gone now. There’s no reason to keep selling, the product has been sold. There weren’t a whole lot of us around here who liked Randolph, I happened to be one of them. Once they trade happened I went to this blog to just express that I was bummed out about it. Yet others (not you in this case) decided to launch right back into argument mode of, “well everyone else is glad he’s gone…. because he sucked!” I don’t really get it…..

Like with what SP said, I hope Zach plays well in Memphis. But if the Clippers struggle and Zach performs well in Memphis, I won’t be one of those guys who brings it up everyday. Its not fun for anybody.

by Michael White on Jul 2, 2009 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

His contract isn't his fault

Ugh, no Mr. Microsoft Moneybags, I’m not the player you will want me to be in the future.

I pass on the money.

by John R on Jul 2, 2009 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

There is something to be said about making teammates better and whatnot

But I think it would be lost in this discussion. Just be glad Randolph is gone…or don’t.

by Sabonis4Ever on Jul 2, 2009 1:03 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

What is it? To be said?

I mean you keep changing your talking point here.

by John R on Jul 2, 2009 1:05 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Is that all?

Fair enough, he is probably overpaid. Still not Zach’s fault though, or reason to have negative feelings towards him.

by John R on Jul 2, 2009 2:13 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Let it be put in the record that

I agree with John R. If Portland offered more money to Zach, why should Zach decline?

“Sorry Portland, I’m not worth your money, I’ll glady accept less.”

Not many people do that in the NBA..

Mike Smith on Eric Gordon: "The Clippers may have found their go to scorer."
On a second note, I want Novak back!

by JackduhSun on Jul 2, 2009 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe...

Portland gave him big $$$ for his strong pimp hand… (Louis Amundson)

by sqrebck on Jul 2, 2009 2:43 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL. And Portand's owner was his hoe?

Makes sense.

Mike Smith on Eric Gordon: "The Clippers may have found their go to scorer."
On a second note, I want Novak back!

by JackduhSun on Jul 2, 2009 11:02 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Exactly

Again, stats can be deceiving.

by Jax on Jul 2, 2009 12:14 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Exhibit A of the misleading nature of stats

He didn’t play much on the 50 win teams.

I suspect you knew that.

by Jax on Jul 2, 2009 12:15 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

What do you mean he didn't play much?

He was a primary reserve.

And he was a starter on the 41 win team which was doing just fine until they shipped off Sheed.

Management decided to make the Blazers bad. Not Zach Randolph.

by John R on Jul 2, 2009 1:04 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

"Primary reserve"

What is your point? That Zbo is a great player? That the Blazers management sucks?

I guess I’m not surprised.

by Jax on Jul 2, 2009 1:05 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You are not surprised about what?

That I don’t blame Zach Randolph as the primary reason the Blazers temporarily descended? Why would you be surprised or not surprised about that? Its a peculiar thing to say.

by John R on Jul 2, 2009 1:07 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not surprised that you're

jumping in to argue with fans of other teams for no reason other than just to argue with them.

You have been saying in a number of threads that you like Zbo and that the team will find it difficult to replace his production. Do you think MDSr made a mistake in getting rid of him, or not?

by Jax on Jul 2, 2009 1:28 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

FFS

Do you not read? Are you unwilling to read? Which, precisely, is your problem?

The very first thing I wrote on the matter is:

“First, this was obviously the deal to do.” Is that clear enough for you? There is no qualifier or modifier or condition on that whatsoever.

Second, NOWHERE did I say that they would find it difficult to replace his production. I wrote that Griffin will unlikely to be able to replace the production during his rookie campaign.

Basically, your whole comment is easily provable to be full of false claims that some might call lies.

I think what’s clear here is that YOU are here just to argue with ME, since you didn’t write a single thing in this thread until you saw an opening to reply to what I was saying in the most tangential way possible.

It would help you be a positive and productive part of the discussion if you could at least refrain from misrepresenting what other people say. I understand if you find it hard to absorb concepts like “First, this was obviously the deal to do.” since there is so much nuance there. You can’t help your reading level. Its not your fault.

What 2010 plan, indeed. You even fail at snark.

by John R on Jul 2, 2009 1:36 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It is quite telling but not surprising

that you think that the Clippers getting ridiculously lucky first in drafting Griffin and second in finding an even bigger sucker in MDSr to take Zbo off their hands means that you think they actually had a 2010 plan for free agents all along. That is one of the most ridiculous things I’ve ever heard.

But Hey, anything to ding me.

by Jax on Jul 2, 2009 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well its not hard

You missed the point as usual. My original comment that you so erroneously replied to was assuming the 2010 plan is gone, so even then I was working with that in mind. I never predicted there WAS a 2010 plan, so for you to now claim that I am claiming I did is yet another lie. Since I was working from the premise that there was no 2010 plan, there was NO NEED for you to snarkly respond “what 2010 plan”. But you did.

Its not my fault you look silly for trying to make a point that didnt need to be made and ultimately turned out to be incorrect completely.

by John R on Jul 2, 2009 2:12 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

No, you deflected, as usual

I pointed out that you are needlessly attacking posters who are supporters of other teams, as you usually do, and you ignored the point.

Your other point is preposterous. You posted about the 2010 plan being gone, as in tossed out the window. I pointed out, snarkily, that your post implied there was a 2010 plan, which it most certainly did. Now, since you apparently feel wounded by that perceived “slight” on a message board several weeks ago, you’re hoping to get back at me here.

Which you didn’t do, but at least we’re viewing the workings of the inner John R. And they ain’t pretty.

by Jax on Jul 2, 2009 2:17 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not to throw gasoline on fire but

what college did you go to John R.? You seem to write well and usually do your research on statistics. (Granted I hope you accept the opinions on others also.)

I believe Jax is a UCLA Alum? Or was that somebody else? Anyways, don’t mind me, your writing makes me a bit curious thats all.

Mike Smith on Eric Gordon: "The Clippers may have found their go to scorer."
On a second note, I want Novak back!

by JackduhSun on Jul 2, 2009 2:24 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hey USC

At least we can identify where you might have learned to be so dishonest.

by John R on Jul 2, 2009 2:32 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think we can infer from that dodge

(and from his pathetically self-aggrandizing posts – “I’m smart, check me out”) that John R may not have gone to college. Not that there’s anything wrong with it.

by Jax on Jul 2, 2009 2:36 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I did

But it wasn’t a dodge. It just doesn’t have anything to the Clippers.

I also haven’t given out my occupation on this board. That doesn’t meant I’m unemployed.

UCLA and USC must be slippin if that’s the sort of logic they teach there.

by John R on Jul 2, 2009 2:38 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I doubt it

Keep denigrating others. Just makes you look worse. If that’s possible.

by Jax on Jul 2, 2009 2:41 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Doubt what?

Whatsoever you doubt about my previous comment, you are wrong. I mean, you are wrong frequently, so it wouldn’t be the first time.

What 2010 plan indeed.

Better to be thought a fool and all that, and yet it rarely slows you down from commenting, even when no comment is required.

What 2010 plan.

by John R on Jul 2, 2009 2:45 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

"What 2010 plan"

Makes for a good tagline.

Do not worry. (Matthew 6:27)

by mikey p on Jul 2, 2009 3:05 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't believe college is necessary

for one to be well written.

On the contrary, I have three family members who graduated from college this year, and I am not very impressed with what passes for college education.

Do not worry. (Matthew 6:27)

by mikey p on Jul 2, 2009 3:07 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

We need a Clipsnation Fight Night

Main event can be Jax and John R. Maybe get Kevin A and Steve P to co-headline the card.

Someone call the Clippers, this can be our halftime show.

FA in 2010.

by ClipperChuck on Jul 2, 2009 8:12 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Or as I've said b/4 - a little ball

Unfortunately, John R doesn’t play the game.

by Jax on Jul 2, 2009 8:46 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

He only

Records the Stats

http://lucasnbablog.blogspot.com/

by LJ Hann on Jul 2, 2009 9:25 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

We totally need a Clipsnation game!

But, I would hope it would be a fun occasion. That’s what this blog needs…..outings.

Let’s do it.

by Michael White on Jul 2, 2009 9:50 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I would win MVP

Because I’m Shane Battier’s son.

http://lucasnbablog.blogspot.com/

by LJ Hann on Jul 2, 2009 9:53 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

This is sad..

you guys turn an innocent question to an insult…

I really didn’t mean to throw any gasoline into this mix. ;(

Mike Smith on Eric Gordon: "The Clippers may have found their go to scorer."
On a second note, I want Novak back!

by JackduhSun on Jul 2, 2009 11:06 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

But you did

and the results: mostly anyone on this blog hates John R

by tomkanti on Jul 3, 2009 6:33 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Let's just get the game ON

John R – where do you want this to happen?

by Jax on Jul 3, 2009 7:34 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

This is silly

Jax and a few kids dog John R. The rest of us just yawn.

by ClipCat on Jul 4, 2009 9:21 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

He brings it on himself

And we should play – let’s do it for charity. He is silent because he doesn’t want to admit that he can’t play the game underlying his posts touting his brilliance.

by Jax on Jul 4, 2009 10:46 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nah...

I, for one, don’t hate John R. Not at all. Don’t hate Jax either.

by swamigusto on Jul 5, 2009 9:29 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

And you guys weren’t lucky in landing the first pick to obtain Oden. Last time I checked you guys had an even smaller chance to grab Oden, what was it? Something like 5%?

by shoothoop on Jul 3, 2009 1:22 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yup

I liked Randolph because of his consistancy. You know what you’ll get from him almost every night.

Kaman on the other hand is such an unknown when he plays that I think even his teammates don’t trust him.

"This kid is the best new talent in the league right now, and I don't care who else you mention." -Suns Coach, Alvin Gentry, on Clippers rookie sensation, Eric Gordon.

by cliptakular on Jul 2, 2009 8:08 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

i also really liked zach’s consistancy. i really dont think he didnt “Try” at defense. he just wasnt very good at it.

I mean for all the talk of him being a cancer, etc i really dont think he was a bad player. I mean does anyone really think it was that bad that he punched louis amundson. THat guy is of any player in the league one you’d punch.

I think nene of the nuggets went into some sort of tirade about how dirty he was.

At least it showed zach cared. I honestly will miss zach. The only reason I’m for the trade is that we have blake. If we had drafted someone else I think zach was someone you’d keep especially since his contract is fairly short giving you flexibility .

by hans007 on Jul 2, 2009 8:16 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

amundson

is the same guy whose teammates pinned down to let shaq clip some of his hair off…

by banandy on Jul 2, 2009 9:10 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe in terms of 09/10

But this was a move for the future. Get him out, let Blake, EJ and AT get some playing time together. Plus now they have tons of leverage.

Do not worry. (Matthew 6:27)

by mikey p on Jul 2, 2009 7:42 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Perfect Reverse Mojo

You had the full details in the post, but as soon as you typed in that headline and published the deal went through.

Well-played, SP.

by citizen zhiv on Jul 2, 2009 6:01 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

It's uncanny

Do not worry. (Matthew 6:27)

by mikey p on Jul 2, 2009 7:43 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

So where does it stand?

First, this was obviously the deal to do.

So now we get to see who is myopic and who isn’t.

Its unlikely that as a rookie Griffin will be as productive as Randolph. Possible, but unlikely. So short term the Clippers get worse at that position. I mean, it would seem faulty to both praise this trade AND soon criticize the Clippers for the temporary downgrade.

Assuming the 2010 plan is back on (“What 2010 plan?”), the Clippers are forced to basically stand pat with the roster this year. Its actually somewhat unfortunate that Skinner decided to opt-out. He was a servicable reserve on just the kind of contract needed. There is more of a point to summer league now as they chase some kids for the end of the bench and vets for one-year contracts. The MLE would appear to be off the table.

For the Clippers to improve this year, then, they will be counting on the youth to improve (Gordon likely, Thornton increasingly less-so, Taylor/Jordan who knows) and for “injury-prone” guys (Davis, Davis, Kaman, Richardson) to be injured less frequently and/or return to a past form.

Between improvement and injuries its probable they win more than 19 games, but still fall short of the playoffs. Will Clipperfan be patient and excuse the Clippers’ temporary rebuilding as readily as they excuse it for otherfan’s teams like the Thunder?

All is well this morning, but the games actually have to be played this year.

/wetblanket

by John R on Jul 2, 2009 6:29 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm not sure that Blake will

be a temporary downgrade at PF. Whilst he may struggle to get 20ppg, I’m sure he’ll be much more active on the boards that ZBo and will play much better D also – I’m sure he will actually move his feet laterally!!!!

It’s true, this 2010 stuff seems to have come out of nowhere as we had given up our flexibility in aquiring ZBo in the first place so it’s a blessing in disguise (and credit where it’s due – some excellent GM work from MDSr) to get back into this position where we have cover (albeit thin in some areas) at all spots, with nice young core and still have major cap flexibility.

This position from where we were 3 months ago is fantastic and I’m sure this year we can be challenging for playoff positions. Until all the teams have settled down, we don’t know how strong the West will be but we know unless MDSr reverts back to his old coaching methods, this group of players should be able to grow together and I’d like to see a jump to around 40 wins (45 would be stretching it I think).

Bingo! Oh me oh my!

by ClippersUK on Jul 2, 2009 7:01 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

while he might be a temporary downgrade on offence, is it possible that he might be a possible upgrade on defence

by AtotheZ on Jul 2, 2009 12:30 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good work JohnR, good questions

Yes, lots of issues to consider.

Griffin seems like he’s working very hard to be ready to play right out of the gate, but he’s definitely going to have some limitations. Summer league should be revealing, just to see the impact of his energy and athleticism for starters, and secondly to see how he mixes with the other guys on the team.

Until yesterday I would have said that Zbo is a great starter at PF for the first 15 games, and we’d see if the team is winning games, but you want to make more and more time for Griffin as the season goes on. But now Griffin is the obvious starter, and we have to hope that his rebounding, defense, and opportunism on offense make him productive. It would be interesting to form some (optimistic) projections off the rookie seasons of guys like Duncan, Malone, FElton, Barkley and others, just to get a ballpark sense of expectations. It’s not that those guys turned out to be great, but they were opening day starting PFs throughout their rookie seasons, with a fair amount of college experience.

I think the early career of FElton is probably a fair standard and comparison for Griffin. Until developing the knockdown jumpshot and raising his fitness level for the 05-06 season (under MDSrs tutelage, but without the state of the art practice facility), FElton was an energetic, opportunity PF, rebounding and hustling for his points.

Kaman becomes pretty important. Cross those fingers and toes for good fitness and good health and some Kaman 2.0. Kaman’s low post game and overall play will probably determine if the Clips are truly competitive this year, or if they’re just trying to make good progress and it’s a waiting game. We’ve learned over time that it’s a good idea to keep expectations low for Kaman, but it sure would be nice for him to step up, start earning his money, and play at least 70 games. I think that Kaman’s low post game makes him the starter, not Camby. Kaman and Camby could start for the first five games or so, if Griffin needs to get acclimated a bit, and it could become clear in those early games who is sharper and a better fit, which one of them should start and which one come off the bench.

I get a little kidding because of my interest in DJordan, but he’s an important part of the puzzle now too, and with the departure of Randolph he becomes a rotation player, unless I’m mistaken. DJordan’s summer league performance is going to be the second most important thing to watch, assuming that Gordon is a given. If DJordan is improved and effective, it takes some pressure off of our expectations for Kaman, and that will be a very good thing. I don’t agree with your point on Skinner, only because he would get in the way of playing DJordan and (possibly) Novak, or Thornton at PF.

I have no expectations of any sort from Davis2 or QRich. My limited enthusiasm for QRich was dampened by evening reports on his recent play.

There’s a trick to the 2010 plan, such as it is. Do the Clips sign Novak? A lot of other teams are talking about signing players to one year deals, so that’s probably what the Clips will have to do to fill the gaps. But if they can get one more piece for the MLE (or what about that trade exception?) do they make a move to try to be a playoff team next year, knowing that they would still have 15 million or so in capspace? Tough call.

by citizen zhiv on Jul 2, 2009 8:35 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It would be interesting to form some (optimistic) projections off the rookie seasons of guys like Duncan, Malone, FElton, Barkley and others

I was thinking of just that.

Rookies Duncan, Malone and Amare vs Randolph last year.

Mr. Griffin will need to be at the very top of his projected range immediately to replace what Randolph provided last year. Only Rookie Duncan was clearly better.

None of this is a knock on Blake Griffin or really a reflection on him in any way.

by John R on Jul 2, 2009 8:50 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'd be happy with an improvement.

and entertaining basketball. Hopefully they will be in playoff contention, but as long as they can remain competitive that would be great.

by Newtybar on Jul 2, 2009 8:59 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

This move is for the long term

They might sacrifice a few wins this year, but there are so many reasons wny it is best to make the move now.

by Jax on Jul 2, 2009 12:18 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

One small step back

and a giant leap forward in years to come.

I don’t expect any rookie, even one as talented as Blake, to come into the league and put up a 20/10. I do expect him to bring intangibles though that don’t necessarily show up in the box score. Chasing down loose balls, fundamental defense, just pure enjoyment of the game. I think he’ll also be willing to defer offensively to others, which should result in more shots for EJ. At the very least we should have a more enjoyable brand of basketball this year than last year and I find it almost impossible that we can win only 19 games again this year with a roster this talented.

Long term we weren’t going to play Zbo and Blake together at the same time, so we made the inevitable decision and moved him while we could.

I guess if we want to look at it this way we essentially traded Tim Thomas for Quentin Richardson while somehow getting Cat Mobley off the books for this year. I’ll miss Cat’s contributions but at least he’s now healthy and I guess management (especially ours) is thrilled at saving a few bucks.

FA in 2010.

by ClipperChuck on Jul 2, 2009 8:21 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Incredible flexibility

The Clippers have the MLE for decent FA’s, the trade exception for promising players just above that price range, and expiring contracts galore to facilitate trades for suddenly available superstars. BUT, they probably don’t want to do any of that. They’d have to blown away. Now, I don’t think Novak is going to command more than $2M per, and you could handle that and still make a max offer (if it was the only deal over one year you signed) – but clearly they’d much rather limit it to one year contracts for now to stay in a position of power for next summer. I think John R is right – the MLE is off the table; and Skinner’s opt out is now a bad thing (though obviously not a disaster). They’re in the market for three one year contracts.

In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd

by Steve Perrin on Jul 2, 2009 9:09 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

the Novak situation

all depends on whether another team makes a move for him, then the choice of the length of contract is out of our hands isn’t it – match or let him go.

I wouldn’t be against bringing back Paul Davis on a years minimum contract – I liked his (albeit limited) hustle and thought he was unlucky to be cut, especially after seeing that Cheek Samb!!!

Bingo! Oh me oh my!

by ClippersUK on Jul 2, 2009 9:19 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

They probably will do that, but I wouldn't

Target Childress with the exemption in S&T and give Atlanta the flexibility and let them close that book. Alternately target GWallace with a Camby trade. See what you can get for the MLE, still Barnes?

Then at the deadline the Clippers can still package Q and/or Camby or the exemption or whatever other extra assets they have gathered and look for a team dumping salary for more pieces.

Even Baron? Get on that Rondo/Allen trade. Baron/Thornton/Collins for Allen and seperate simultaneous trade Exemption for Rondo?

Its still the Clippers and they still have to attract the free agent. The 2010 plan is back in full effect, but I think the plan should still be to sell it to some other sucker.

And in the 2010 market you are going to get Lebron or Wade, or you are probably getting a consolation prize and a costly mistake. See: Joe Johnson

Passive is lame.

by John R on Jul 2, 2009 9:37 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

One year contracts

The current situation is kind of interesting. Guys like Boozer and Okur are basically signing one-year deals. And the general impression is that there’s going to be a lot more money out there next year, lots of moving parts, guys signing big deals, potentially leaving teams that would have money to replace them. A bit hard to imagine how crazy things will be exactly one year from now—it’s going to be nuts.

But if you’re an FA right now, even a pretty good one, does it make sense to sign a one-year deal? Why not? Obviously, there’s a big risk, but guys like Boozer and Okur are taking the same risk. There are a lot of factors, but perhaps the most important one is the team that you’re going to and what your role on that team would be.

So maybe what the Clips want to look for is to sign a player out there to a one-year deal at the MLE. Have no idea who that might be, but they’d get a decent guy and not give up the capspace for next year. Maybe they pay Novak, since they can go over the cap to sign him, an extra million dollars to do an all front-end deal, something like one year at 3 instead of 3 years at 7.

by citizen zhiv on Jul 2, 2009 10:35 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

i imagine there will be a lot of one year deals this summer as a lot of teams are gearing up for this supposed free agent bonanza next summer. but if every player is waiting for next summer, doesnt that make it a buyers market? you can only get top dollar from the team you’re currently on as there are limits to how much an outside team can give these guys. i dont think there’s as much money out there as they think. guess we’ll see.

by dc5dugg on Jul 2, 2009 10:41 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why not?

Loss of Bird rights if you change teams via free agency. Your sign and trade possibilities go through the floor.

Play at a discount to stay on your current team this year, if they will have you. If they won’t, then yes, go for a 1 year MLE with as much up front money as you can get.

by John R on Jul 2, 2009 11:02 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

So the question becomes

If we’re only offering one year contracts, what can we do with those last three roster spots? Hopefully we can find a player or two frozen out of the MLE. We might consider trying out some D-League type players to provide some energy. Maybe there’s someone in one of the Euro leagues looking to break into the NBA (or return). Maybe Randolph leaving could even leave an opening for MBFGC.

Hopefully this recent good luck will inspire Dunleavy to search under every stone, but it’s likely the roster won’t be filled out for the rest of the summer leaving us to debate all sorts of options. And the decisions could well extend into training camp competition. I like it!

by ClipCat on Jul 2, 2009 10:12 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

What can WE do?

Not worry about it mostly, since it doesn’t really matter now.

by John R on Jul 2, 2009 10:15 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

And what fun is that!

There isn’t anything we can do about any of the decisions the Clippers make, but that doesn’t stop us from acting like we can.

by ClipCat on Jul 2, 2009 10:23 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Marcus Slaughter

I really like the kid, especially since I was an SDSU alumni.

We should give him a shot.

by Newtybar on Jul 2, 2009 10:17 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

what,1st great trade for Clips since Jaric/Cassell ???

Great move, I am happy for the Clips

You, ehm, we finally screwed someone else !!!

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by Ricky - Sixers4guidos on Jul 2, 2009 6:54 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I love you...

…Chris Wallace. You’re my new favorite Christopher Wallace, after the rapper and the Fox News journalist. However, unlike those two, you seem to love Los Angeles! You traded an All-Star PF for a scrub, then trade a lower-paid scrub SG for a higher paid super-scrub PF, 16 months later. Superb!

by Jordinho on Jul 2, 2009 7:08 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Funny thing is

on some of the ESPN podcasts with their “analysts”, they’ve been talking about Chris Wallace saying that he’s really difficult to trade with as he’s so worried about screwing up after the Gasol trade, he wants it lopsided in his favour before he commits.

If he thinks this is lopsided then he needs committing!!!!

Bingo! Oh me oh my!

by ClippersUK on Jul 2, 2009 7:10 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah...

I heard that exact thing (might have been on BS Report). It sounded believable enough since he got burned once already, but I should have realized one thing: you should never trust someone’s experience over their stupidity.

by Jordinho on Jul 2, 2009 11:17 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well

Memphis is even worse off than we are and have no chance of FAs in 2010. They could have gotten David Lee for less but that was about their only option on the FA list (and NY could match). So I can kind of see the rationale, especially since he probably needs to show some improvement or he’ll lose his job. The Grizzlies do have some talent, maybe enough to be a 30 win team I guess. They would be our team last year anyways :(

FA in 2010.

by ClipperChuck on Jul 2, 2009 8:25 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Teams with young talent

It’s interesting to consider the situation of teams with young talent, like Memphis and OKC. They need guys to step up and turn into elite players, otherwise they’re treading water. OJ Mayo is a critical player for Memphis, along with Rudy Gay, and their chemisty is also an important factor. Gay reminds me a little bit of Vince Carter, but can he become as amazing as VC can be at times, and leave behind the baggage? Seems like a stretch. And we watched Mayo very carefully alongside Eric Gordon, and as Clipper fans we thought that Gordon seems to have greater promise and performed much more solidly in the second half of the year. But sophomore campaigns are very different and challenging, and Mayo got off to such a fast start as a rookie that he might have hit the wall and could do better now that he’s run the distance already one time.

Durant is a big time scorer and a great player—but what happened to the Milsap deal that was supposed to be the early headline of free agency? Westbrook was a great rookie and Harden is joining the gang. But the difference between Memphis and OKC is probably going to be the edge between Durant and Gay, Westbrook and Conley, and Mayo vs. Harden should be a great sophomore-rookie matchup.

At any rate, to answer CChuck’s point, the improvement of these teams is based on the growth and maturity of their young talent. If one of these guys pops like a Brandon Roy, all of a sudden they’re winning more games and look good for the future. Of course the Clips hope is that Gordon showed signs of being one of those guys, and Griffin is bigger, stronger, and more of a special, impact player, able to start chasing after Durant in short order.

by citizen zhiv on Jul 2, 2009 10:23 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Thought-provoking post on several levels

even somewhat, arguably, dare I say it . . . sophisticated.

IMO Portland is doing well not only because of Roy “popping,” i.e., becoming the go to guy, but also because of the good mix of vets and young players the GM assembled, as well as the coach. Good teams don’t just happen. The ingredients were all put in place. Luck isn’t usually blind (except for example if you luck into the no. 1 pick, who happens to be far and away the best player in the draft).

What does that mean for the Clippers? I like Gordon, but I think he’s more of a complimentary player ultimately than a go – to guy.

I don’t think the Griffin / Durant comparisons are really apt. KD is a 25 to 30 ppg player who will average over a block and a steal a game, with several assists, and over a three a game with 6 -7 boards a game. He’s an SF. Griffin on the other hand is a PF with as I recall a relatively short wingspan who is very athletic and aggressive but who has not yet found a basic 17 footer. I don’t think he’ll ever be able to do all the things KD can do. However, he could become very special in the areas where he excels, once he finds his shot and gets a postup game. Assuming he’s got the right mix around him, and a solid coach who knows how to utilize his talents, then there’s a chance that we can achieve some of Portland’s success.

Are we set up for that success with MDSr as coach? Probably not in my opinion (although ditching Zbo was the necessary first step to any of this). Hopefully, however, I’m wrong. In any event, this will be a very interesting year.

by Jax on Jul 3, 2009 7:32 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

In agreement

Yeah, it’s not just Roy “popping,” but that’s what takes a good “mix” and turns a lower tier team into an upper tier team. Maybe it’s a tipping point thing. Memphis needs Gay or Mayo to be one of those elite guys, and I think they’re good, but I’m skeptical. Still, it’s worth a try, and they’re certainly talented. But yeah, you have to line things up and set the stage. One big, bad, desperate contract can really mess you up.

You’re probably right about Gordon. He’s not a Brandon Roy, who looks to be mentioned in the Wade-Kobe-Lebron conversation. But he’s solid as a rock, and the thing that we as Clipper afficionados know better than general NBA fans (who spend minimal time on the Clips) is how well-rounded his game is. He’s an incredible shooter, but he has the defensive focus and athleticism to get by on that alone, even if he wasn’t a great offensive player. He’s going to hit big shots and make some great plays. No, he’s not quite a classic go-to guy, but he’s certainly close enough for my liking.

Yeah, you can’t really compare Griffin and KD at all. I was thinking about that as I was saying it, but I guess my point was that Durant is ready to “pop,” if he hasn’t already, and it may be a matter of gathering his supporting cast, and our hope around here is that Griffin jumps out of the gate and is a major handful for other teams.

It’s interesting to consider the sudden Clipper good fortune and the coaching situation. The good fortune includes winning the lottery, having a clear #1 pick to draft, and then having a team like Memphis out there where Zbo is a good fit for the reasons described earlier. Coaches can do a better job when fortune is smiling on them, and teams are healthy and able to develop their own chemistry—Doc Rivers is a good example.

My own view and hope is that MDSr has benefitted from the good luck to buy enough time to ease himself out gracefully as coach. He works hard and tries to be prepared, but he can be myopic, lacks imagination, and has other glaring weaknesses. He has done a good job as GM, vindicating himself by redeeming the Randolph trade, and the Clips seem to be getting the best of the deals he’s made. The goal should be that he can push the team firmly towards the playoffs as a coach, but then use his GM skills to find a truly outstanding coach. Selecting his replacement is going to be one of MDSrs most important tasks over the next two years. For the Clips to be a great team, he needs to find the Gordon and Griffin of coaches. It’s not just a question of plugging in some scrub. It would be great if somehow he and the Clips could come up with an inspired choice.

It seems doubtful that he will make his next deal as a coach—it’s miraculous, actually, that he managed to survive and has a shot at getting another deal at all, even as GM.

And another factor is how the coaching choice might factor into the 2010 sweepstakes. Is there a way that MDSr recruits a coach as part of recruiting a player?

Too much optimism, I know.

by citizen zhiv on Jul 3, 2009 3:24 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

With this lineup

If they would just get this team to run, they would be fun, entertaining and would win some games.

by Jax on Jul 3, 2009 10:35 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nice exchange Zhiv and Jax....

but KD and Durant seem different than Kobe-Lebron, they seem to have better vision, might be better leaders… although that’s still upside at this point. Don’t see any of that from Gordon-Griffin. Dare we hope.

by swamigusto on Jul 5, 2009 9:43 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Chris Wallace for LA mayor!

He is the best thing to happen to LA Hoops the last few years. Is he from here?

Do not worry. (Matthew 6:27)

by mikey p on Jul 2, 2009 7:46 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Memphis just got a whole lot better

Chris Wallace just got a 20 10 power forward (not to mention one of the elite post scorers in the game) with two years left on his deal. His two best current players are on rookie contracts, as is his new starting center. So he doesnt care about the money, and this doesnt really impact their long term goals.

Conley, Mayo, Gay, ZBO, Thabeet…Remember that ZBo will only be 28 this year….thats a real nice young team. Memphis will win some games this year.

by johnnyoc21 on Jul 2, 2009 8:47 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

they have marc gasol also on a rookie deal.

I think this deal worked for both teams honestly.

The grizzlies got a scorer and they dont care about the salary since they needed it just to make minimum salary anyway and dumped the completely worthless to them Q rich.

I was personally a zach fan, but we dont need him since we have bg and we get to make a 2010 FA run. If lebron somehow signs, does that get mike dunleavy exec of the decade?

by hans007 on Jul 2, 2009 10:33 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Pick included?

Does anyone else find this trade just a tad awkward? Ther must be something I’m missing here. Either Chris Wallace discovered that half of Ben Wallace’s brain (the defensive half) is being transplanted into Zach’s head, or there is a Clippers draft pick involved (their own or Minny’s). There has to be. Deals like this don’t happen twice in decade…

by eelcova on Jul 2, 2009 11:06 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Don't overestimate his stupidity...

I’m a tad surprised that MEM didn’t try to get in on an FA…. BUT think of it this way. With so many rookie deals on that team, their path to respectability stills lies in developing the guys on rookie deals – Gay, Mayo, Conley, Gasol, Thabeet. They have no one to play PF in that group, but Wallace may be thinking that the worst thing he could do is sign Millsap to a 5 or 6 year deal and create a payroll issue when all the young’uns have to be re-signed. There’s a method to the madness of spending the money they have NOW to rent some production at the 4, but preserving their future flexibility.

In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd

by Steve Perrin on Jul 2, 2009 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

FA?

Can Memphis sign a FA that isn’t damaged or over priced? Let’s be honest how many 20/10 guys will choose to go to Memphis.

by sqrebck on Jul 2, 2009 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Another upside of this deal is that Blake Griffin will now be upfront and center from Day 1. This will bode very well and should speed up the development to the next level for his buddy DeAndre Jordan

by wilriv21 on Jul 2, 2009 3:03 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

wow..

do you guys remember how horrible we were before the clippers got randolph? i usually never say anything negative about the clips but i think this move made us worse

by ClipperMyth on Jul 2, 2009 3:04 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Maybe intially

But maybe not. Gordon is a year older. Hopefully Baron is in shape. Perhaps Kaman has had a productive offseason. Maybe Al worked on his defense. And it’s possible that Griffin’s effort will make a big difference on defense.

This move was about the future. Griffin needs court time. And now the Clips have cap space going forward.

Do not worry. (Matthew 6:27)

by mikey p on Jul 2, 2009 3:43 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

LEBRON IN LA 2010

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by LJ Hann on Jul 2, 2009 3:45 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Guys were hurt

The Clippers were horrible before Randolph arrived because Camby missed training camp, preseason, and the first two weeks, because BDavis was hurt in preseason, because Tim Thomas was hurt in preseason and he recovered in time to be the opening day starter, because Ricky Davis was terrible from the season’s opening tip, because Gordon wasn’t playing yet, and all sorts of other reasons, but especially because they were banged up and had never played together.

They’ll definitely be much better next season.

by citizen zhiv on Jul 2, 2009 4:34 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The reason they were bad

is because they started training camp in Russia. In 2006. It lingered.

Do not worry. (Matthew 6:27)

by mikey p on Jul 2, 2009 4:36 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

lol

And some Rasputin-like relative of Korolev’s put a curse on them when he didn’t get any minutes on the trip there. That’s when it started. You’re exactly right.

by citizen zhiv on Jul 2, 2009 4:42 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Whenever I need an excuse . . .

I know just where to go ;-)

by Jax on Jul 2, 2009 7:57 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

r u mike dunleaby

by andrewexd on Jul 3, 2009 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hallelujah!

I'm nobody's fool, least of all yours

by BoulderDodger on Jul 3, 2009 4:04 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Iverson likes Mephis, http://www.commercialappeal.com/news/2009/jul/03/grizzlies-interest-iverson/?partner=RSS Would be very interesting to see how they would go.

by Sam50 on Jul 3, 2009 8:37 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Don't the Clippers always look promising in July?

I’m not getting my hopes up, but I do really like this move and it has nothing to do with trade pieces or 2010 cap space. This opens up the Clipper roster. They have a ton of young talent, and if Baron Davis plays just a little bit like the B Diddy of old then they might have something. I’m not saying that this roster is going to have a ton of success anytime soon, but the potential is there.

Of course, the potential seems always to be there for the Clippers, but never realized. However, I do get a different vibe from this group. They’ve got a good core of young players who look quite promising and fit together well. They’ve also got a workhorse in Marcus Camby and a player in Baron Davis who has the talent to turn this team around if he plays like he did in Golden State. Hopefully, things work out this year. Then again, its easy to be hopeful in July.

Such is life as a Clipper fan, I suppose.

"If a Clippers fan is reading a newspaper in his living room and the ceiling falls on him, he'll just shrug and move to another room." -Bill Simmons

by WestsideBrandon on Jul 4, 2009 11:00 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

hopefully Kaman doesn't ruin that core

if he “tries” the way he “tried” last season then that core could be broken but hopefully Baron can reel Kaman in from whatever planet he is on lol.

In Gordon we trust

by bestclipfan on Jul 5, 2009 9:23 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

go clips

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by LetsGoClippers on Jul 6, 2009 12:40 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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