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Clippers in the Lead for Sessions - So Now What?

David Aldridge is reporting that the Clippers are now in the lead in the pursuit of restricted free agent Ramon Sessions (hat tip to Citizen Clipster Hipster).  ESPN has essentially the same report at this point also (hat tip to Citizen madglove).  The other teams previously reported to have interest in Sessions, New York and Oklahoma City, are both reportedly backing off.  This seems to make sense on the surface - the Knicks have spent the past 12 months trying to free up cap space, and making a decent sized offer to Sessions would go against that, especially when they seem relatively set at point guard with Chris Duhon.  As for the Thunder, they have Russell Westbrook and are hoping that Shaun Livingston can make it all the way back, so I'm not sure why Sam Presti was sniffing around Sessions other than perhaps to stockpile assets.

Bear in mind however that a new suitor could well emerge.  In fact, I find it quite surprising that Portland hasn't gotten involved already.  Sessions would seem to be an upgrade over Steve Blake, who's in the final year of his contract, and it's far from clear the Jerryd Bayless will ever be a point guard. 

But if the Clippers are indeed the front runner (and Sessions agent mentioned only the Knicks and Clippers by name when he spoke on this subject earlier this week), what does it mean?  Let's look at it from a few angles after the jump.

Star-divide

The Roster -

The idea of signing Sessions to a long term MLE type contract, when Baron Davis is the highest paid player on the team and is signed for four more years, seemed a little dubious Monday morning.  Monday afternoon, after the team had acquired Sebastian Telfair from the Wolves, it seemed even more so.  Baron is, after all, the starter and will be as long as he's on the roster (or rather, if he's not, the Clippers have big problems).  Telfair, who has started 180 games in his five year career, would seem to be an adequate backup on paper, and capable of stepping into the lineup if Baron gets hurt. 

But I mentioned above the idea of Presti perhaps wanting to stockpile assets in OKC, and it's not a bad strategy.  Sessions is young, and might be ready to explode in the NBA.  He's certainly put up some impressive numbers in his 1.25 seasons in the NBA (he spent the majority of his rookie season in the D-league): he had a 44 point game last season, and a 24 assist game in 2008.  He averaged 15 points, 7.5 assists as a starter for the Bucks, and put up a PER of 17.6 last season, which would rank him as the 11th best point guard in the league by that measure, ahead of guys like Mo Williams and Jason Kidd and Mike Bibby, and yes, Baron Davis.  Because he's only been in the league two years, the CBA has set his ceiling at the MLE.  The Milwaukee franchise is in dire financial straits, and may not be willing to match a decent offer.  If Sessions continues on his career trajectory and develops into a top-notch NBA point guard, the GM who locks him up long term at a bargain price will look like a genius.

And while point guard is beginning to look full, the backcourt in general still has some issues.  Eric Gordon is obviously the starter at shooting guard, but there's really no back up for him at this point.  Ricky Davis, whether it was his knees or something else, was so completely useless last year it seems foolish to think he can help this season.  Mardy Collins might be able to take the back up minutes, but his offensive game is very limited.  As for trying to alleviate the logjam, ESPN's report mentions that the Bucks wanted no part of Telfair in a sign-and-trade.

A guard corps of Baron, Gordon, Sessions and Telfair would be able to pick up most of the backcourt minutes, although there's no question that it would have some issues.  Davis and Sessions are both relatively big point guards, and are big and strong enough to defend most NBA twos.  In fact, Sessions is as tall as Gordon (though not as strong and with a shorter reach) - but obviously if one of the perceived issues was that Gordon was a little small against some perimeter players, this does nothing to alleviate that problem.

But Baron Davis is fully capable of playing off the ball, and did so on numerous occasions last season.  If Telfair and Sessions were on the floor, it would likely have to be Ramon who slid over to the two, since Bassy is a prototypical pass first point guard.  There's a glaring problem with this approach.  Davis, Sessions, and Telfair are among the worst shooters in the league on the perimeter.  If you have a weak stomach, you may not want to look at the next link.  Davis, Telfair and Sessions were among the seven worst shooters in the NBA last season for guards who played over 2000 minutes, ranked by effective field goal percentage.  Three of the worst seven?  On the same team?  Seems like a bad idea, right?  When you add in the fact that the other likely starter on the perimeter, Al Thornton, is an equally inefficient shooter, it seems even worse.

But it's not insurmountable.  Both Davis and Sessions are very good scorers - just not good shooters.  And Sessions in particular gets to the free throw line frequently, which allows him to salvage a respectable 52.5% true shooting percentage.  The Clippers are clearly banking on Baron shooting (and playing) better this year than he did in his miserable first season in LA - signing Sessions would just make the team that much more dependent on Baron being able to hit a three pointer from time to time.

The Salary Cap -

When the Clippers were able to trade Zach Randolph to the Grizzlies for Quentin Richardson's expiring contract, suddenly the visions of 2010 free agents began dancing in Clips Nation's head.  Then the NBA announced some very bad news regarding the 2009 cap numbers with even more dire predictions for 2010, and the visions began to fade.  Then Richardson was flipped for Craig Smith, Mark Madsen and Telfair, with Telfair's $2.7M player option causing the visions to get dimmer still.  Signing Sessions to an offer sheet that Milwaukee is unwilling to match would be the end of any 2010 superstar free agent plan.

So let's go through this again, with the latest figures.  After the Randolph trade, but before the Telfair trade, here's what I said:

I've got the Clippers current 2010 salary commitment at $37M.  Now bear in mind, that's very optimistic.  It could conceivably be lower (if they can work a trade for a big salary), but more likely it will be higher, as they will no doubt sign someone.  But we'll use the optimistic $37M figure for now.  A cap of $53.6M leaves them with $16.6M, in a scenario where a max deal would be a tick over $16M (30% of $53.6M) - phew, just enough if nothing else changes.  (NOTE:  As I explain in a comment below, the 30% number applies in general, but LeBron and Wade and Bosh are already in the $17M range, and would not have to take a pay cut even if the cap is contracting.  So those guys are priced out of the Clippers range already.)  If the cap comes in at $50.4M, the Clippers would theoretically have $13.4M to spend and a max deal would be $15M - and the Clippers dreams of LeBron are over before they began.

I want to point out the very optimistic part up there.  There are cap holds for open roster spots and many other factors that will likely bring the total obligation up.  We've already added in Telfair for another $2.7M, so if the Clippers had $13.4M, they now have $10.7M.  The second season of Telfair's deal, assuming it starts near the MLE, would be at least $6M.  Voila!  The Clippers are down to less than $5M, which is less than the MLE, which puts them with the rest of the pack going after free agents, completely out of the running for the big names.

Of course they could get back in the running by trading one of their big contracts - that's either Chris Kaman or Baron Davis - for expiring deals.  Clearing all of Baron's $13M puts them back into max contract territory - clearing all of Kaman's $11M gets them close to the promised land.  And oh, by the way, if Sessions explodes, then trading Baron suddenly makes perfect sense on the court as well as on the balance sheet.  (Trading Kaman, on the other hand, would leave the team with only DeAndre Jordan in 10-11 since Camby would also be gone by then, so while it is attractive from a financial standpoint, it leaves the team without a proven center after next season.)

This of course is the subtext of the Clippers' pursuit of Sessions.  Hey, wouldn't it be great if we had a young point guard to play alongside our other young players.  Mike Taylor auditioned for the part in Summer League, and he wasn't right for it.  But Ramon Sessions (23), Eric Gordon (20), Al Thornton (25), Blake Griffin (20) and DeAndre Jordan (21)?  Sweet Sassy Mollassey!  That's a lineup to get truly geeked about.  Signing Sessions to any contract of four years or more means that Baron will be shopped.

Having said all that, the 2010 free agency plan is most likely a fool's errand.  Fiscal responsiblity and salary cap flexibility are good things in and of themselves - but putting all of the eggs in a LeBron basket is a long shot at best.  A much better approach would be to utilize all of the flexibility and assets that the team has miraculously acquired to build the team with known deals - rather than clinging to the unknown of 'Maybe we'll get a mega-star to come to LA in 2010.'  Deals like signing a young player like Sessions to a relatively cheap, long term contract.  Using the trade exception to acquire another distressed asset.  Possibly using the numerous expiring contracts on the roster to do the same.  Or if they do decide to trade Davis or Kaman, trading them for players that can help balance the roster, rather than for cap space.

So signing Sessions throws a wrench into the gears of the 2010 cap space plan - but the Clippers would remain in a very advantageous and flexible salary cap position nonetheless, with many other options for improving the team still available to them.

Conclusion -

This isn't a no-brainer - far from it.  Sessions appears to be a nice young player, possibly headed towards stardom.  But he would be coming in as a backup in what is suddenly a crowded position on the team's depth chart.  He would be taking up a roster spot on a team almost completely devoid of three point shooters - with Novak not yet signed, EJ and Mardy Collins are the only players on the roster who made better than a third of their threes last season, and Collins is under 31% for his career.  The Clippers under Mike Dunleavy have invariably been one of the worst three point shooting teams in the NBA - so it's not a shock that he's considering building the roster this way, but it doesn't mean it wouldn't be a problem.  What's to keep teams from swarming Blake Griffin and Chris Kaman underneath if no one can spread the floor?

For the time being though, the Clippers find themselves bidding only against the Bucks, which is a good thing.  The way this signing makes sense is if Sessions can be had at a bargain price.  And for now, it appears that the Clippers are allowed to set that price.  If the Bucks decide to match it, then the Clippers can be satisfied that they didn't overspend for a player who isn't actually a great fit at this point.  If they don't, then they've acquired an asset that is likely going to be a major bargain in the years to come.

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I would be more excited

if we didn’t just land telfair, I think Sessions is definitely a talented player (he cost me a title 2 years ago in my fantasy league), but our real needs are a back up 2 and 3.

He doesn’t seem to fit the bill for those positions. Assuming he can really gurard some 2’s then this might make some sense.

by The Blake Griffin Era on Jul 23, 2009 1:23 PM PDT reply actions  

I might be excited for the future

But not currently. Clippers management is starting to baffle me a bit. We thought that we had an overfill at the big man position? Looks to me that soon enough we’re going to have an overfill at the point guard position. TWolves let go of Sebastian Telfair becasue they thought they had an overflow there. This deal would have made sense BEFORE the Telfair trade, but now that we have Telfair, we’re going to have 3 point guards. What happened to talk of Clippers considering EJ at the 1..? (Probably won’t happen anymore since he seems effective enough at the 2.) AI currently is the better fit. Not in the long run, but right now in our situation yes.

Mike Smith on Eric Gordon: "The Clippers may have found their go to scorer."
On a second note, I want Novak back!

by JackduhSun on Jul 23, 2009 2:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

Are any of the Clipper rumors true?

It always seems the clippers never do what the media suggests. I don’t think anyone saw the Q Rich trade for ZBO or the Q Rich for 3 twolves. Before these trades, there was a lot of talk about clippers moving kaman on draft day.

I guess all the supposed moves would have bothered me if they were completed, but they were not.

And of course, Clippers moving the #1 pick was hung over clipper nation for a month. And that trade did not happen.

It seems like the “Insiders” have a piss poor record on the Clippers future moves.

by Qlippers on Jul 23, 2009 2:40 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

it is just that it is easy to talk trash on the clippers

and if you are not right nobody cares, it’s a shame but it’s how it is

by XXDC2XX on Jul 23, 2009 8:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

FRED JONES!

backup and shot 37% last year from #’s

by baronycamby on Jul 23, 2009 1:29 PM PDT reply actions  

Clips could sign Fred Jones and Sessions

If Mike Taylor is cut or traded. We could carry Baron, EJ, Sessions, Bassy and Fred as guards with Mardy taking the minutes as Thornton’s backup and Ricky in mothballs. I’d take that, but I’m not sure Fred would actually play much until someone got hurt. And if we don’t end up with Sessions, then Fred really does make a lot of sense.

by ClipCat on Jul 23, 2009 1:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

Im glad that Jones is finally getting some recognition

as I remember myself making a post once and people were accusing me of being Fred Jones.. *AHEM mikey…

Mike Smith on Eric Gordon: "The Clippers may have found their go to scorer."
On a second note, I want Novak back!

by JackduhSun on Jul 23, 2009 2:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

Wait...

You’re NOT Fred Jones?

by banandy on Jul 23, 2009 3:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

No, no

I’m actually Steve Novak in disguise…*shifts eyes left to right nervously

Mike Smith on Eric Gordon: "The Clippers may have found their go to scorer."
On a second note, I want Novak back!

by JackduhSun on Jul 23, 2009 3:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sorry Novak

you’re QO will be rejected if they sign Sessions or Ai

War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength.-1984 George Orwell.

by tomkanti on Jul 23, 2009 4:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

The only problem I have w/ Sessions

is his shooting range. If he can’t spread the court, this could be disastrous.

by Qlippers on Jul 23, 2009 1:33 PM PDT reply actions  

I'm not convinced about this spreading the floor thing

Yep, he’s not a great shooter from 3 by any means but as mentioned, he’s only been in the NBA for around 1.25 seasons so he could improve his shot and range still. Maybe to be an average outside shooter.

But anyway, as stated before, he’s very good at driving to the basket and either finishing or dishing the ball. We all know Gordon can hit the 3 and Baron could before last years disastrous attempts and lack of confidence.

It gives us possibilities to go small and quick, with players who can drive or go large with our combination of bigs.

I’d admit that we could do with more long range options but signing Novak would be adequate there. What I worry about more is defensively on the wings with this little lineup and playing Novak at SF.

Bingo! Oh me oh my!

by ClippersUK on Jul 23, 2009 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't want to see another a talented Clipper team

Having a tough time creating open opportunities b/c our range was limited.

Andre Miller was a good idea, I know he had a death in the family, but we look like we couldn’t shoot further than 18 feet.

I guess we’ll wait and see if Sessions is a clipper

by Qlippers on Jul 23, 2009 2:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

oh me oh my...

Has anyone else gone thru tht phase when that phrase “Oh me oh my” pops up in your head when someone goes horribly wrong?

Mike Smith on Eric Gordon: "The Clippers may have found their go to scorer."
On a second note, I want Novak back!

by JackduhSun on Jul 23, 2009 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sorry...

Watched that clip last night for unrelated reasons and can’t get it out of my head.

In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd

by Steve Perrin on Jul 23, 2009 2:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

Seems to me

that they should have kept Q if they were going to go after Sessions

by Jax on Jul 23, 2009 2:22 PM PDT reply actions  

Exactly what I was thinking.

why go after a pg when we already have 3? Regardless Taylor isn’t fully developed, I don’t think having 4 point guards justifies us winning in anyway…

Mike Smith on Eric Gordon: "The Clippers may have found their go to scorer."
On a second note, I want Novak back!

by JackduhSun on Jul 23, 2009 2:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well Taylors contract is non-guaranteed so we could drop him if we picked up sessions.

Also, as Steve mentioned, their logic on this must be that Session could eventually be the starting pg and make Baron expandable.

by dulciusEXasperis on Jul 23, 2009 2:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

Why are we thinking of dropping Taylor??

I like the guy. He just needs to tame his beast like speed.

Mike Smith on Eric Gordon: "The Clippers may have found their go to scorer."
On a second note, I want Novak back!

by JackduhSun on Jul 23, 2009 3:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

Uh...they didn't go after a PG

All reports indicate that they trade was for Craig Smith more than anyone else.

by madglove on Jul 23, 2009 2:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

Its too hard to say...

I forgot who, but I remember someone posting a comment about Dunleavy’s love obsession with Telfair on draft day. Now, even if Craig Smith was the man to get in this trade, Telfair is still on the team regardless and cant be left out. It still means that we have an overfill at the 1 position when I would rather

1) have a legit backup small forward
2) Backup a 1 position (let’s face it, Mardy Collins and Ricky Davis doesn’t do the job

If we want to win now, I’d take Allen Iverson over Ramon Sessions because of Iversons ability to play and backup (if willingly) the 1 and 2. Of course none of us knows realy how deep this team really is, but having a Ramon Sessions off the bench alongside Mike Taylor and Stebastian Telfair only makes us deep at the 1.

Mike Smith on Eric Gordon: "The Clippers may have found their go to scorer."
On a second note, I want Novak back!

by JackduhSun on Jul 23, 2009 3:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

We really need a 3 that can also fill in at 2

And preferably someone that can start in front of Thornton, who would be better off the bench.

Is Bruce Bowen a possible fit?

by banandy on Jul 24, 2009 2:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

Not true

The talks started with Bassy.

In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd

by Steve Perrin on Jul 23, 2009 6:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

I stand corrected then

I was making my comment based on various reports and such made by Ramona and one or two others who said that Craig Smith seemed to be the primary target in the deal.

But I trust ya Steve.

by madglove on Jul 23, 2009 6:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

MDsr's interview yesterday

It came from that, and I think it’s on the YouTube they posted. He called about Bassy shortly after the draft. It evolved into this deal, and I get the distinct impression he likes Smith (easy to see how he would, since he often killed the Clippers), but it started with Bassy.

In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd

by Steve Perrin on Jul 24, 2009 1:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

Real question is...

Is Craig Smith good enough for us to pull the trigger on Kaman or Camby?

by banandy on Jul 24, 2009 2:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

Indeed

It may but, I think that we may have to wait tell a little into the season for that to happen. I think 1st we have to see how well the Rhino plays then if he does well move forward with a trade, if not keep the roster as is and wait for the contract to expire.

In Gordon we trust

by bestclipfan on Jul 24, 2009 5:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

*in anyway..

Mike Smith on Eric Gordon: "The Clippers may have found their go to scorer."
On a second note, I want Novak back!

by JackduhSun on Jul 23, 2009 2:25 PM PDT reply actions  

way...

Mike Smith on Eric Gordon: "The Clippers may have found their go to scorer."
On a second note, I want Novak back!

by JackduhSun on Jul 23, 2009 2:25 PM PDT reply actions  

The 3 pt shooting is way overstated

I can’t believe how much people are overstating this idea that things could go badly because Sessions isn’t a 3 pt shooter. Clippers fans have suffered from watching crappy scrubs play so much due to injury that it’s like you guys don’t realize that guys like Taylor and to some extent Telfair don’t have to, and in some cases, shouldn’t be playing much.

First of all, with Sessions, we would have a 3 guard rotation at the 1 and 2 with Baron, EJ and Sessions. When Sessions comes in, Baron sits. Then when Baron comes back, he comes in to spell EJ. Starters typically play 35+ minutes a game. At the 1 and 2 there is a total of 96 minutes. You take 70 of those minutes away to Baron and EJ and you have 26 minutes for Sessions. That’s all you need. There’s absolutely no reason whatsoever to have both Telfair and Sessions on the court together for any length of time. It’s hardly even worth mentioning. Taylor shouldn’t even get on the court unless it’s a 30 pt blowout.

Second, it’s like you guys don’t remember that our BEST TEAM of the last 25 years had a PG (Cassell) and a SF (QRoss/Maggette) that were not legitimate 3 pt threats. Cassell is a career 33% 3 pt shooter and that year shot all of 190 threes (by comparison, legit 3 pt threats take 300+ 3 pointers in a season). Maggette is a career 32% 3 pt shooter (and shot 20% from 3 the year after). Even Mobley, a more legit 3 pt threat, only shot 33.8% from 3 that year. Sure their percentages were better than Sessions, but the bottom line is that our 1 and 3 spots were not credible 3 pt threats. No coach in their right minds tried to keep those two from jacking up 3s. In fact, the game plan that year was exactly that, crowd Brand and Kaman and force Maggette, Ross and Cassell to shoot 3s. The reality is that that Clippers team was a bad 3 pt shooting team with two bigs and it didn’t hurt their effectiveness at all.

And for those clamoring for the alleged greater need for an SF, I ask again who is out there that is worth the MLE? Nobody. That need will have to be addressed via trade.

Quality PGs like Sessions are rarely available for the MLE. It just so happens that this is an unusual year of teams terrified of spending money, and other teams saving for the 2010 pipedream. He’s young, he’s a great fit for our youth movement, and he fills a need right now as well as later. It is a no brainer. Arguing that Mike Taylor and Sebastian Telfair are on the team is an argument in favor of bringing him in.

by madglove on Jul 23, 2009 2:50 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Come on

Cassell’s 190 threes made him a legit three point threat. And Maggs also stretched the defense.

by Jax on Jul 23, 2009 3:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

2 three's a game?

And if you were forcing Maggette to shoot jumpers you were winning that battle…

by John R on Jul 23, 2009 3:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

Keep trying to fight - not taking the bait

But thanks for confirming that Sam’s a legit three point threat.

by Jax on Jul 23, 2009 3:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

Madglove, no way would I compare the

2005 roster to the 2009-2010 rooster…

BIG difference.

Sam Cassel- Baron Davis
Cuttino Mobley- Eric Gordon
Corey Maggette- Al Thornton
PF- All star Brand- Rookie Blake Griffin
C- Kaman 2.0 – Kaman-wtf?

Just saying man. We had Sammy and his leadership. I don’t think it was a fair comparison to compare the two teams. Eventually Clippers traded away Wilcox for a three point threat.. (kind of) in Vlad. Rad. Vlad kepted us in a game against phoenix and helped us win it. That was one of the best games I’ve ever seen from Vladman.

Mike Smith on Eric Gordon: "The Clippers may have found their go to scorer."
On a second note, I want Novak back!

by JackduhSun on Jul 23, 2009 3:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

Gotta say for me the rosters aren't far

off. Kaman only became Kaman 2.0 the season after when Brand went down crippled.
If Baron did the job he was brought in for, he’d equal Sammy. Eric is greater for me than Mobley and AT ain’t much, if any, off Corey. OK, Blake will take a couple of years to reach EB (maybe) but when you look at our bench this year, if we get Sessions, then our roster doesn’t stack up much differently.

The difference now is that the top 8/9 teams in the West are very good so it’s harder to get into those pesky playoffs.

Bingo! Oh me oh my!

by ClippersUK on Jul 23, 2009 4:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

I feel as if there is a significant downgrade in almost every position.

But of course, most might agree.

I’d take the 05 Sammy over a 20 point Baron Davis anyday. Seems to me that Baron can’t lead the Clippers team. If you think about it a bit, Sam Cassel, Cuttino Mobley, and Brand were all leaders. Veteran leaders that could’ve and shoudl’ve taken us further than 2nd round of playoffs (Daniel Ewing..grr.)

The only leader on this team? Baron Davis… 2009-2010. I dont object Baron, but Baron needs to prove to me that is can win. I’m slowly starting to lose my optimism on Baron…

Anyways, the dept in 2005 was pretty decent also. With Vlad man(towards the end) off the bench and Livingston, the bench wasn’t too shabby also.

Mike Smith on Eric Gordon: "The Clippers may have found their go to scorer."
On a second note, I want Novak back!

by JackduhSun on Jul 23, 2009 4:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well, Kaman cancels himself out basically, so if you see

a SIGNIFICANT downgrade at almost every position then you see what exactly?
Sam over Baron – I can see that. Mobley over Gordon – Not for me, I think Gordon will give the team more this year than Mobley did in his stay (not that I don’t think Cuttino was a good player). Maggette over Thornton – maybe but stats aren’t everything and Corey screwed up a lot of things too. Brand over Griffin – well, I’m expecting around 16ppg/8rebs out of BG this year so he ain’t far behind I don’t think.
For me, with the bench of Camby, Smith, Sessions (IF he signs), we’d have 3 would -be starters off the bench. That’s surely as deep as the 05/06 team?

Bingo! Oh me oh my!

by ClippersUK on Jul 23, 2009 4:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ok...

So your opinion is that the 05 roster was better top to bottom. How is that relevant at all to my main point that a team can win without 3 pt threats at the 1 and 3 spots?

Everyone is clamoring like it’s an absolute necessity to have a 3 pt shooting PG. We have one – his name is Baron Davis.

In 2 years or so, when Baron is no longer a starter, you start Sessions. By then, who the heck knows who the starting SF will be?

That’s why main point is that this whole 3 pt shooting this is way overstated.

by madglove on Jul 23, 2009 4:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

Agreed.

As long as you’ve got at least one player on the floor who can consistently hit the 3 and then another 1/2 on the bench then you’ll be fine. We aren’t trying to be Orlando and have 4 3pt shooters here.

Baron can hit the 3, Eric can so that is two out of your 3 guard rotation who could hit it, if we have Sessions.

Novak can hit it and Jones can too so other options are there. We can’t be super strong in every dept.

Bingo! Oh me oh my!

by ClippersUK on Jul 23, 2009 5:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

Just saying that

you can’t say the 05-06 team was a different squad then this years squad. Now its true that we don’t need a 1 who can shoot 3’s, but the difference was maturity. Your telling me that Clippers dont need a 3 point shooting pg, but I’m just saying tat the 05-06 roster was incomparable to this year roster. Anyways, aside from that, eventually Clippers realized that they needed a 3 point shooter, which they got for Chris Wilcox (Vlad man.)

Anyways, its tough I dont believe that this years squad will get too far with session added onto the rooster.

Mike Smith on Eric Gordon: "The Clippers may have found their go to scorer."
On a second note, I want Novak back!

by JackduhSun on Jul 23, 2009 7:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

Uh...

He didn’t MAKE 190. He SHOT 190. He hit 70. 70 threes (less than 1 a game) makes him a legit threat? Are you serious?

And I don’t know how anyone can claim Maggs stretched the defense. You must be kidding me. Maggette has never, EVER, been a threat from 3.

by madglove on Jul 23, 2009 3:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

Correction

Maggs is a threat from 3…to his own team.

by madglove on Jul 23, 2009 3:05 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Jax...what's up?

For a basketball junkie like you, how can you actually think Cassell was a 3 pt shooter? I have no idea how you can take this stance. Were you not around that year or something? I’m completely befuddled.

I agree with you often, but you’re nowhere close to the right side on this one. Cassell and Maggs as 3 pt threats? That’s just crazy.

70 threes in 82 games…SEVENTY!

by madglove on Jul 23, 2009 3:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

I thought he shot the three more than he did - my bad

But at least he and Maggs both shot the three on occasion. I don’t think that Sessions shoots the three at all. That’s the point.

by Jax on Jul 23, 2009 3:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

But I don't think you

always need 2 guards that are capable of banging down 3’s. Rondo can’t shoot a 3 if his life depended on it but he creates and gets to the basket and causes havoc on D. Sessions can do similar stuff. You don’t get a 44point game in the NBA if you’ve got no scoring talent.

Bingo! Oh me oh my!

by ClippersUK on Jul 23, 2009 3:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

Very true mate,

so I reckon we go after the bargain in Sessions and sign Novak. That way we have EJ and Novak as threats. Would you go for that?

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by ClippersUK on Jul 23, 2009 3:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well get on the phone to Dunleavy then

my good man and tell him what we’ve decided!!!!

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by ClippersUK on Jul 23, 2009 3:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

You say it as if

Dunleavy actually listens to us…

Mike Smith on Eric Gordon: "The Clippers may have found their go to scorer."
On a second note, I want Novak back!

by JackduhSun on Jul 23, 2009 3:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

Good point JDS

Get Donald on the dog and bone instead.

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by ClippersUK on Jul 23, 2009 4:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ha!

If we want Donald make the deals, we’ll have Allen Iverson in a Clipper jersey by now.

Mike Smith on Eric Gordon: "The Clippers may have found their go to scorer."
On a second note, I want Novak back!

by JackduhSun on Jul 23, 2009 4:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ok

Well, I want Sessions and Novak signed up. Who makes the bloody decisions around here – Steve Perrin? ;)

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by ClippersUK on Jul 23, 2009 4:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

LOL I beg to differ a bit on this one

I rather have Allen Iverson, Novak, and Fred Jones back on the team.

:X

Mike Smith on Eric Gordon: "The Clippers may have found their go to scorer."
On a second note, I want Novak back!

by JackduhSun on Jul 23, 2009 4:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hey, being a fan is all about opinions.

I like the Sessions option as I think we could have a stable core of Kaman, DJ, Blake, Smith, Thornton, Gordon, Sessions and Davis over the next 2/3/4 years. Keep that core and watch that young talent develop whilst filling in the roster with needs around them (i.e. 3pt, lock down defenders), I think we’d be playoff regulars year on year.

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by ClippersUK on Jul 23, 2009 4:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

You know ClippersUK;

a couples year back or so, I would have agreed to rebuilding and waiting the 3 or 4 years. Now, I’m tired of rebuilding. I feel as if we would already have a willing roster with 1 or 2 right ingredients, and I really don’t believe that Sessions is the right man. If we can somehow get a scorer off the bench and a SF defensive specialist with some offensive capabilities (Battier or Prince) we should be a sure lock in 2009-2010 playoffs. Hell, we might even go past 2nd round.

Mike Smith on Eric Gordon: "The Clippers may have found their go to scorer."
On a second note, I want Novak back!

by JackduhSun on Jul 23, 2009 4:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ok, well if you look at your statement then you are basically

saying you want to win now. After years of waiting for potential that never developed though, we’ve got two bona fida superstars to build around. Why get Iverson (other than to sell tickets this year). There is no point getting him for winning games. Why? Cos he’ll probably win you a couple of games and then lose you a couple with his shooting and for what? We ain’t going past the 2nd round this year. I think aiming for the playoffs is a realistic target (sorry, not into setting unrealistic ones) when you have a look at the other teams in our conference. So if you’ve got this great core and the other teams are stronger and more experienced at this point, why try and win now when it ain’t going to happen. Our window of opportunity should be opening in a couple of years to go into the 2nd round or the WCF. We should be building for that. The Thunder are building nicely. Not for this year or next, but for when their talent will develop and realise their potential.

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by ClippersUK on Jul 23, 2009 4:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

"Win now"

The team’s best player is 20 yrs old. The team is not in “win now” mode. I understand you’re impatient, but the hope is to be competitive now and wait til EJ and Griffin are in their primes.

And adding Iverson is not win now. It’s lose now.

by madglove on Jul 23, 2009 4:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I mean EJ and BG will hopefully be

improving over the next 5/6 years, year on year so we could be ready to win before they get to their prime if we have the right combination of veterans (looking at Kaman, Baron) and young, athletic talent.
But trying to win now not an option for me. We don’t have 3 Celtics superstars on the team.

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by ClippersUK on Jul 23, 2009 4:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ahem, history review...

San Antonio Spurs in 1996-1997 wins only 20 wins, but gets the top pick (Tim Duncan).

In 1997-1998, they win 56 games with the rookie, but end up losing to the Utah Jazz in the second round of the playoffs.

In 1998-1999, they win their first championship albeit during a shortened season due to the lockout.

by banandy on Jul 23, 2009 4:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ha Ha Ha

So for my “history review”, you’ve picked one of, if not THE, most unusual turnaround in NBA history!!!
Let me refresh your memory.
93/94 55-27, 94/95 62-20, 95/96 59-23

Then, with a season decimated by injury, they fell to 20-62 and got lucky, winning a lottery with Duncan.

Straight away back up to 56-26 and then the title the next year.

Where are the similarities other than getting the first pick in the lottery. They had 5 big winning season in 6 years. Last time I checked, we’ve had 3 losing seasons on the trot.

Try not to pick out an anomoly in NBA history as your example – doesn’t really work.

Like me comparing every Number 3 pick against Michael Jordan!

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by ClippersUK on Jul 23, 2009 5:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

Point is everything is an anomoly!

There is no magic formula or blueprint for success on how to win an NBA championship. There are lots of factors and good amounts of luck.

It can be won or lost on one possession, a bad matchup, or one ankle twist.

My real point is that I don’t want this team (or its fans) to think that they can’t win now. Sure, the glass is very full on that statement…but I just know that as a baller, confidence breeds success. I want this roster to have a winner’s mentality…not some bull about ‘in the future’….

by banandy on Jul 23, 2009 5:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

Why is my point

“some bull about in the future”? If you read my posts properly, I’ve stated that I think reaching the playoffs are a realistic target. Why put something unrealistic out there so you get disappointed? I’ve got news, we ain’t going to the WCF this year! We’ve got a fantastic core of young players to build around. Our focus should be improving now year on year so that 3/4 years in the future, we are serious challengers to the NBA crown. Rome wasn’t built in a day. The Celtics blueprint was the exception to the norm. Why risk the future for a quick attempt at winning? There are a lot of very strong teams in the NBA this season, much better than we will be so we should be building for when we can peak, not trying to reach unrealistic targets. And that ain’t no bull!

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by ClippersUK on Jul 23, 2009 5:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

You overuse statements like ‘anomaly’ and, ‘that was the exception’ when they don’t jibe with your perfect world view way of thinking.

You’re fine to hold your expectations (which I more or less share), but from an organizational and locker room standpoint – I would never, ever preach that bull about us not being good enough now to win it all, or as you so neatly predict, that we can’t get to the conference finals.

Just because there are “better” teams out there, doesn’t mean we can’t beat them…it’s why teams actually show up and play the season out. In your perfect world, an 8th seed will never beat an 1 seed, but it happened. Welcome to the real world…where anomalies happen all the time!

Look, I’m not trying to pick on you, I’m just trying to point out the systemic change in mindsets that our beloved organization need to make…it needs to believe. Can you imagine the morale of our team if Dunleavy shows up to training camp spouting your ‘realistic’ vision? It becomes a mental excuse during the season when things get tough…

Look at Orlando this year and how they believed in themselves – nobody thought they could beat Cleveland.

by banandy on Jul 23, 2009 6:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

Good point banandy

" I think aiming for the playoffs is a realistic target "

It is realistic, but if you think about it, its practically the same starting squad minus Randolph + Griffin. None of us exactly knows or sure that Griffin is an upgrade over Randolph, but my assumption is that Griffin is a downgrade on offense, but an upgrade on every thing else.

I’m not neglecting that this isn’t a playoff team, but seems to me that with only a MLE and Clippers being in need of a backup 2 and 3, a more sensible idea would be to trade away one of our pg’s for a sf (presumably Bowen for Telfair as i’ve heard it somewhere around here in Clips Nation) and then we have a backup at both the 1 and 2. This in return doesnt affect our 2010 plan, and in reality, it is a form of rebuilding for the future.

I’m not saying that Sessions isn’t a plan in rebuiling for the future, no way am I stating that. But if we offer Sessions the MLE for 3-5 years, we probably won’t have a chance at 2010 at all. Did we have a chance in the first place? Probaly not. But there was alot of talent in 2010, and we could nab somebody else. I mean we would practically have around 13M- 16M to lean on.

Btw, you said it yourself, if we have the pieces to win now, why not attempt to win now. Aside from the media-played locker room presense issue, who is a better fit for Dunleavy? Ramon Sessions or Allen Iverson? Dunleavy loves the isolation player. Allen Iverson IS that isolation type player. And even then, Allen Iverson can spark up the bench and score pretty effectivly. Anyways, I was once one of those people to object Iverson in LA, but I’ve really warmed up to the idea.

Mike Smith on Eric Gordon: "The Clippers may have found their go to scorer."
On a second note, I want Novak back!

by JackduhSun on Jul 23, 2009 7:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't think I overuse statements

in this area. They may not be the correct wording but my point is that your example was probably the greatest swing from excellent team to crap season, picking up one of the best 1st picks of a generation, to great team again. Hardly a blueprint for success and not comparable to our situation at all.
Why are you arguing points against me that I’ve never stated either? I’ve clearly put that a realistic target this year is to get to the playoffs and finish building a roster that will start to seriously challenge to get to WCF and further in 3/4 years time.
That doesn’t mean I’d preach in the locker room that we can’t win.

Winning breads confidence and that in turn normally results in more winning. You are correct in the fact that the organisation needs to learn how to have a winning mindset and keep that in their players.

Sometimes though, that mindset and determination is brought on through tough losses, where players have had some success but are determined to come back and progress further.

We don’t want a quick fix. We aren’t the Celtics who have gambled everything on a 2/3 year window of success. They won a title, great, but in a couple of years they will be back in the masses again.

We’ve got a superb young core. We need to build a solid foundation here. That is where success comes from. Putting the right characters and pieces in place and watching that chemistry and trust build.

It may be a perfect view of the world as you put it but I think it’s the right way to go. The team will have great days this year and there is no-one we cannot beat on Any Given Day but there will be times when we don’t look good also.

I don’t think I’m painting the perfect world when I say I’m aiming for the playoffs am I!!! The perfect world would be winning the whole thing. The REALISTIC world is where I’m situated and whilst this org has let the fans down before many times when the roster looks good, I feel very optimistic about where we are going.

Just don’t want to gamble it away on a quick run at glory. I don’t want to be an anomoly!!!!

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by ClippersUK on Jul 24, 2009 12:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

Why are you telling me about rebuilding for the future

when we already seem to have a team for the future?

Eric Gordon, Al Thornton, Deandre Jordan, Mike Tayor, Sebastian Telfair (24 years young.. or younger i forget.), and Craig Smith all seem like pretty young guys to me. Are we going to keep rebuilding and add another rookie SF?

Comparing Celtics and Clippers are horrible. Sorry man, those two comparisons are flat out nasty. Celtics have 3 all stars, Allen, Garnet, and Pierce. All aging. The aging “stars” on the Clippers are Camby and Baron. Even so, our stars really don’t contribute as much as the big 3. Our younger stars is already whats going to take us far. Why are we rebuilding ontop of that if we seem to already have a potential playoff- now team? Granted your right, we don’t want to end up like Celtics, but we wont. Gordon and Griffin is only 20 years old. I believe Thornton is somewhere around the 25 range. This isn’t going to fail in 2-3 years. If everybody remains a Clipper (and it won’t happen, but of course FA’s come and rookies signs), we already have a “future” lineup built for a possible playoff run. When Baron’s hurt, whos to say that Telfair (24 years old) wont step up?

Is adding a 3rd pg Sessions (probably going to backup Baron unless Baron does horrible/ gets hurt) going to make that big of an impact this season. Seems to me that having a 2 guard in Ai backing up both EG and BD would help contribute a bit more. Don’t forget Sessions can only play 1. Thinking of playing him at 2 feels like suicide as he can’t seem to shoot.

You heard it from (I forgot his name, but the guy in the draft with the stitching with the #1 pick), we would rather be in the playoffs than in this situation. Exact words? No. But reality is, I would take a shot at the playoffs than a shot at a lottery pick anyday, because really, whos to know if we can really get that #1 consistently.

Anyways, your right. We need to rebuild. But half our team seems to be young already. Are we going to keep adding younger talents constantly? When will that ever work out? History, under the Clippers, have shown that if we keep rebuilding, we’re going to keep losing our players. For all we know, we were rebuilding around Brand. Didn’t really work except for oneyear did it. We need to win now, especially if we have the talent to.

Anyways most could have been mumbojumbo, but I dont believe in “rebuilding for the future” if the future is set. We still have Baron for a good 2-3 years, and whose to say we can’t land a good pg by then? I’m sure we can get takers if we start to become more of a playoff team.

Mike Smith on Eric Gordon: "The Clippers may have found their go to scorer."
On a second note, I want Novak back!

by JackduhSun on Jul 24, 2009 2:16 AM PDT up reply actions  

Where in my post

does it say “rebuilding for the future”???? Please tell me.

It states clearly that we’ve got an excellent young core to the team and now we need to have the rest of the necessary pieces to push this team forward, hopefully gain a playoff place (with it experience) and winning mentality this year and then push on.

You must read my posts properly. I wasn’t comparing the Clipps and Celtics. I said that we AREN’T the Celtics and so we aren’t in a situation where we want to try and find a quick fix. We have the youth that we both agree on so why waste money on Iverson and get a quick fix win. Get Sessions and have a player that can grow with the rest of the core.

I’m not talking about constant rebuilding. We have our core NOW. Adding Sessions adds to that core and gives us 5 players who can grow together with loads of other good peices around them NOW.

Iverson may be slightly more productive than Sessions for a year but is in decline and will then be gone. What benefit does that give us in 12 months time????

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by ClippersUK on Jul 24, 2009 5:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

This

You go out and get the available pieces. Sessions appears to be available. There does not appear to be a worth SF available at the MLE.

Seperately you continue to persue the other piece’s with your other assets. Surely there is a SF available in Utah. Hell use all the contracts and grab both Korver and AK. Would save Utah as much as 13M in salary this year alone.

by John R on Jul 23, 2009 3:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

Good points... and good shooters are welcome

I wrote out the exact same point about the rotation below. Telfair doesn’t matter at all. He’s a nice, low cost, relatively shorterm piece. He adds to SPs point of not saving for next year’s rainy day when it’s unlikely to rain.

It would be nice if Sessions was a better shooter, but that’s not the point. He’s a rising, talented PG, at a nice price.

The Clips need a variety of weapons. Talking about Cassell, Ross, Mobley and Maggette, the good thing is that Gordon is a great shooter. So that’s a big step up. Craig Smith may be in a different role than QRoss, but he’s a 53% shooter. It doesn’t matter that he doesn’t shoot the 3—he makes shots.

Guys like Sessions and Griffin will hopefully improve Al Thornton’s percentage, and he will take better shots, and the Clippers will be a better and more successful team. We’re hoping that Baron will use much better shot selection, and guys like Kaman and Camby will be relatively healthy and prosper.

I don’t need to say, I suppose, that I would like to see Novak added and get him his 800-1000 minutes and 120+ 3s. I don’t see him in the rotation, but that would take care of the 3 point worries in one roster spot.

by citizen zhiv on Jul 23, 2009 3:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yep,

I wrote that up earlier in my post. If you get Novak back, you’ve got the 3’s threat if you need if off the bench also.

If Sessions is added, we are lucky that we’ve got threats from all over. Kaman, Blake in the paint, Camby can hit his little trademark shot, Eric can drive and shoot long, Baron used to shoot (!), Sessions and drive and get to the line, AT can do anything some days and nothing the next.

Point is, we have threats from all over and that will make us a tough matchup for the oppositions defense. Our weakness will be perimeter D (again).

Bingo! Oh me oh my!

by ClippersUK on Jul 23, 2009 3:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

The forgotten man in that group is Radmanovich of course

He actually was a threat to where you should adjust your defense to his 3 ball. 20 minutes a game, 41% from deep.

He was somewhere between a starter and Novak. Its a new puzzle to work out.

by John R on Jul 23, 2009 3:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

Thought about VladRad

Wilcox for VladRad worked out pretty well, and began the process. Still tweaking it.

by citizen zhiv on Jul 23, 2009 5:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

Davis-Sessions schedule

Great post. Perfection right up until the statement: “Signing Sessions to any contract of four years or more means that Baron will be shopped.”

That one needs to be pondered. I would add the word “eventually.” Sessions is still young and rising. The starting lineup would be BDavis and Gordon. Sessions comes in for Davis, then Davis comes in for Gordon, and Telfair comes in for Sessions, and Gordon comes in for Telfair. Telfair gets limited minutes.

It’s up to Davis: if he plays great, he’s not going anywhere, not right away. He has the chance to lead the team, and he should have a lot of weapons at his disposal, and a new outlook.

But this deal is being made with the idea that Davis in the 12-13 season is not going to be the player he is now. It’s a rise and fall, like Livingston and Cassell was supposed to be, although Liv was younger, fragile, and never firmly established, and Cassell was older and closer to the end—he started out as an expiring deal. Sessions is established and virtually ready for prime time, but not quite there yet. Davis has every reason to prove he’s still got it.

Telfair doesn’t really matter at all—unless Davis goes off the rails.

We need to remember that Davis was brought in to win right away, to complement FElton and Kaman and Thornton, etc., before it all went haywire. Our expectations for him were always front-loaded.

There’s all sorts of ways that this could go, and it’s not black and white. Club Optimism looks for the stunning short-term success, followed by the graceful transition. Sessions waits his turn, he plays a crucial role, while Davis does what he was signed to do, and he does it sooner rather than later.

Once again, you can’t have too much of a good thing. A stockpile of high level, possibly elite point guards is a high class problem.

Bye bye Iverson, bye bye Mike Taylor. Do we have to wait around for a week to find out what Milwaukee is going to do with this? What’s the likelihood we run into an Azubuike situation?

by citizen zhiv on Jul 23, 2009 3:01 PM PDT reply actions  

Stockpiling talent is a good thing

based on the Clipper injury history. Maybe they don’t think Baron can bounce back, how many point guards at his age have bounced after a miserable year like that? It would be nice to actually have some depth at PG for once. Based on Baron’s game, maybe he’s last on the depth chart.

by meercatjohn on Jul 23, 2009 3:05 PM PDT reply actions  

Memphis needs a point guard...

If we do get Sessions, maybe we could trade Taylor to Memphis for a 2nd round pick since they need a guard with only Conley, Mayo and Jaric in their back-court.

by chrisd on Jul 23, 2009 3:13 PM PDT reply actions  

Sign Sessions...

If he is playing great, the perhaps we could trade Baron + Camby (or Kaman) for T-Mac’s corpse, at the trade deadline?

'Cause how you play, is how you'll be remembered. PLAY LOUD!

by CLiPPz WeRD 12 on Jul 23, 2009 3:23 PM PDT reply actions  

clips can sign sessions

then trade baron cause hes hurt all the time

GO BULLS

by FAN of the BULLS on Jul 23, 2009 3:30 PM PDT reply actions  

Can someone confirm (or deny)...

That MDSr really liked Bassy going into the 04 draft? I am trying to understand the BD/Bassy/MT and now possibly Sessions PG rotation. As bad as MT looked during SL, I can’t imagine MDSr just giving up and cutting him loose after the (at least moderate) potential MT showed last season.

None of these guys are really off-guards so this seems like way too many players for one position. Especially so considering the lengths of the BD and RS deals, and having Bassy for 2 years. The team needs to have a plan and direction rather than just stockpiling “assets at a bargain” and “MDSr’s types of guys”.

If MDSr never liked Bassy then I can see this working, just bury him on the bench. But if he does like Bassy then what’s the point of Sessions unless BD is on his way out? It all just doesn’t make much sense to me.

by supac on Jul 23, 2009 4:41 PM PDT reply actions  

the only thing i can find is this:

http://www.insidehoops.com/the-jump-sebastian-telfair.shtml

which covers the mike dunleavy facination with the two players the clips didnt pick.

dunleavy loved jameer and telfair.

Clippers Basketball.... It's Masochistic!

by Clipochistic on Jul 23, 2009 4:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

doesnt mean he wouldnt trade him..

i think dunleavy is just making bets that have contingencies and thats not always a bad thing.

at worst he ends up with a guy he likes in telfair, at best he gets the guy he wants in sessions.

not a bad series of maneuvers in my opinion. we’ll see what happens.

it would be sweet to get bowen too (rumored), for leadership, depth and defense.

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by Clipochistic on Jul 23, 2009 4:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

I thought about the Bowen thing too as they are looking to get rid

before 1st Aug and therefore not guarantee full salary. However, he doesn’t really fit into what we are trying to do here in terms of when this team is ready to develop.

I suppose he could be brought in to help teach some of the younger guys.

He’d definately make us a better team and we’d probably reach the playoffs with him on board so I suppose that would be good experience also. I’m liking the idea more with each word I type about it!!!!

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by ClippersUK on Jul 23, 2009 5:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

Get OKC involved

How’s this? Bowen + Sessions(MLE-ish contract) to Clips, Camby to OKC (they traded for Chandler, remember?), and OKC sends picks/expiring contracts to Bucks. OKC is under the cap so salaries dont need to match, Bucks save cash while getting something back for Sessions…Clips lose flexibility but next year’s salary would be a wash… (Camby $9M, Bowen $4M, MLE $5 M).. Then, dreaming on… Telfair & Madsen to 76ers or Blazers for 2nd rd.picks, both in the Andre Miller hunt and under the cap.. Further on, Smith & expiring contract to the Jazz for Korver (they’ll need someone behind Milsap after dealing Boozer)… The icing on the cake would be using the trade exception for a sign & trade for David Lee…. Salaries mostly match, we lose flexibility, but lineup would be something like this….

PG B.Davis, Sessions, Taylor
SG EJ, Korver, Collins
SF Bowen, Thornton
PF Griffin, Lee, Novak
C Kaman, Jordan

Good mix of youth and veteran leadership… Bowen would add the D and glue as the starting SF, yet his contract would roll off by the time EJ and Griffin need raises..

by koichiz4 on Jul 23, 2009 5:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

Wow

This sounds like the sort of thing I’d pull off in 10 mins of roster fixing on NBA 2K9!!!

Bingo! Oh me oh my!

by ClippersUK on Jul 23, 2009 5:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

i would view bowen as a situational starter

not necessarily concrete, he hasnt played a lof of minutes the past two years.

but he would be a good neutralizer in the way dunleavy used to try to play qross. except bowen can knock down the baseline j at will if left unguarded, whereas qross could not.

its one thing to have a def stopper, but if he cant score on the other end, he’s pretty useless.

if he could teach AT/Gordon the nuances of the defensive end it could also yield some good side-effects.

heez old as dirt, but it wouldnt hurt to have a little veteran leadership with these youngStars.

i havent been able to confirm that bowen is in the mix for a trade, but he may roll off the table for free as well if mil decides to buy him out.

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by Clipochistic on Jul 23, 2009 5:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

the Bucks are looking to unload Bowen

The Bucks would cut him and eat $2M rather than the full $4M, but then he’d be a FA with cash in his pocket, so probably would look to join a Celtics or a Lakers situation, where it’s a lock to go deep in the playoffs and possibly a championship… he’s 37-8, so probably won’t come to the Clips for a 5-6 yr project on his own will…

by koichiz4 on Jul 23, 2009 5:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

good point

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by Clipochistic on Jul 23, 2009 5:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

Unless Telfair was truly nothing but filler and will be dumped soon and if we bring in Sessions, I’m pretty sure BD is out. Cutting him loose restores max cap space next season. I say it again, HOU could be desperate enough to take on The Beard and Kaman for The Artist Formerly Known as T-Mac and Shane Battier. I’d do that deal, but only after seeing another terrible year from Baron.

by Gordon for President on Jul 23, 2009 5:10 PM PDT reply actions  

telfair is not just filler, if anyone its Madsen. and plus, why cut telfair when we can just cut sticky icky ricky ?

by andrewexd on Jul 23, 2009 10:28 PM PDT reply actions  

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