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This Simmons piece is about the NBA in general, but the the beginning focuses heavily on the Clippers.

To paraphrase, he suggests that if the Clippers were to change their name to the Hollywood Stars and get a new coach, they would be an ideal destination for LeBron James and perhaps an additional marquee free agent.

In his view, LeBron would view a nucleus of Baron Davis, Eric Gordon, Blake Griffin, and Chris Kaman more favorably than anything the Knicks could put together. Interesting read.

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That's all well and good Simmons

But unless the Clippers trade Baron or Kaman, they won’t be able to make a max offer.

by John R on Jul 28, 2009 12:30 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Has Simmons edited this piece?

When I read this story earlier this morning, I thought Simmons wrote that the Clips would be under $30 million next year and could sign LeBron and another good player to create a core of Baron, EJ, LeBron, Blake, Kaman and the other signee. Knew that couldn’t be true, and now all that language seems to be missing. Did Simmons get a little too eager and skip the fact checking?

by ClipCat on Jul 28, 2009 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's there...

Item 29. At least I still see it.

In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd

by Steve Perrin on Jul 28, 2009 1:28 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

#29 is still there

But I believe #27 has been shortened by a couple paragraphs or so. I believe it originally read that the Clips payroll would be under $30 million next year, which it would have to be in order to sign LeBron AND another good player. Even now it says the Clips will be under $35 Mil next year. I sure hope that doesn’t happen because it would require the Clips to renounce Gordon, Thornton and Collins are all renounced. But Simmons does run through a tremendous amount of material that would take some extreme fact checking to get completely right.

by ClipCat on Jul 28, 2009 2:46 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

What about Baron would Lebron like playing with?

Other than making Baron eggs last year, what’s with the Baron love? I really can’t imagine any star saying, “yes, the Clippers have Baron Davis!”

John R is right, Baron would have to be dealt (I’m guessing along with AT- no need for him then) in order to make a max offer to Lebron.

Dropping Los Angeles and changing it to Hollywood is sort of a cool idea I guess. Hollywood Knights (thinking about that song in my head) would be neat.

by Michael White on Jul 28, 2009 12:45 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Ya, but I mean, even he acknowledged that's a pipe dream

I remember a buddy of mine jokingly saying he would write a letter to Mark Cuban asking him if he could own two teams.

I think an absurd offer would need to be made in order for Sterling to consider selling. Offering double what the franchise is currently worth would probably qualify.

by Michael White on Jul 28, 2009 2:34 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Apologies...

I have my final paper for my journalism class due Friday, and I’m behind on it. I want to write a full post on Simmons’ points here, but haven’t taken the time yet. It’s not a bad read. Here’s the super high level…

His MDsr stat is great. Citizen Eastie rich (I think) and I were trading MDsr futility stats late last year, but this one is better than anything we came up with. Of course, it probably says more about the organizations he coached for than it does about the coach – there’s a reason most coaches don’t coach 300 consecutive while compiling a sub .400 record, and it ain’t because there’s a shortage of bad coaches.

As John R points out above, he’s playing fast and loose with the cap situation. He lists a potential 2010 lineup of “LeBron, Gordon, Baron, Griffin, Kaman and Secondary Marquee Free Agent X” in item 29, but as we’ve documented here, there’s not enough money to pay LeBron as of now, forget about “Secondary Marquee Free Agent X” – not without getting rid of either Baron or Kaman, which he didn’t since they’re both in his lineup. I’m not sure how he managed to get that one so wrong. I mean, he’s not always the most realistic with his cap scenarios, but this is simply impossible.

In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd

by Steve Perrin on Jul 28, 2009 1:27 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Hollywood Knights sounds like a strip club. Why do we have to lose Los Angeles? Simmons is way off, and doesn’t know what he’s talking about (which is most of the time). We can get LBJ AND a Marquee Free Agent X? Since when. If we jettison Kaman or Baron to HOU, both of which is possible, we can do something. I say Kaman. We won’t even need a center with Baron, Gordon, Blake, and LeBron.

by Gordon for President on Jul 28, 2009 1:28 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I’d have to believe with LeBron on the team, Baron would become at least as motivated as he was with GSW. Keeping The Beard isn’t a forgone conclusion, I keep mentioning it, but T-Mac four Baron might actually work considering HOU literally has no starpower on their team anymore. They’ve lost Ron-Ron, Yao, and Knee-Mac in the span of a few months.

by Gordon for President on Jul 28, 2009 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think Houston is sticking with Brooks at PG

They have nice pieces, when healthy. Yao and TMac will return to a cast of Scola, Ariza, Battier, Brooks, Landry and Hayes. Plus they have a pretty good coach.

Do not worry. (Matthew 6:27)

by mikey p on Jul 28, 2009 2:07 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

He wouldn't bet against Iverson...

If you read to the end, it looks like that documentary won him over…

by banandy on Jul 28, 2009 2:51 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Simmons has been an Iverson fan for a while

I remember him writing an article about him years ago discussing how good of a player he viewed Iverson to be. The one part from that article that sticks out is when Simmons claims Iverson basically intimitaded the ref into not calling a technical foul on Iverson. I’ll try to find the article….

by Michael White on Jul 28, 2009 2:52 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Found It

“Don’t Question the Answer”

Once I was sitting midcourt at the Fleet Center when Iverson was whistled for a technical, yelped in disbelief, then followed the referee toward the scorer’s table and screamed, “[Bleep] you!” at the top of his lungs. The official whirled around and pulled his whistle toward his mouth for a second technical. And I swear on my daughter’s life, the following moment happened: As the official started to blow the whistle, Iverson’s eyes widened and he moved angrily toward the official, almost like someone getting written up for a parking ticket who decides it would just be easier to punch out the meter maid. For a split-second, there was real violence in the air. Of course, the rattled official lowered his whistle and never called the second T. By sheer force of personality, Iverson kept himself in the game.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/061213

by Michael White on Jul 28, 2009 2:58 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Interesting read

Seems like a lot of wishful thinking but it’s fun to see an espn writer combine optomism with the clippers

by AtotheZ on Jul 28, 2009 3:09 PM PDT via mobile reply actions   0 recs

Simmons just tweeted.
FYI: Blake Griffin has a slightly torn rotator cuff. Resting it for 3-4 weeks & they are hoping it heals naturally. Uh-oh.

LINK

by STUCK IN LA on Jul 28, 2009 3:15 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Thanks for the heads up John R.

HERE’S THE LINK to a Dan Patrick show interview with BG today.

by STUCK IN LA on Jul 28, 2009 4:36 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Simmons is right that if they are able to get a new coach

that they’d have a better shot at the LBJs of the world. I’ve been saying that for a while now (the Anoter Son post is coming, I can feel it). Of course, there are still cap issues that would have to be sorted out.

Not gonna happen, I suspect.

by Jax on Jul 28, 2009 3:22 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I personally don't think that LBJ or anyone else

would pass on the Clippers based solely on Dunleavy. If they put together a winning season, a free agent may take a gander. Rarely does a player make a decision like that solely on the coach.

Despite what we say as fans, Dunleavy does have respect in basketball circles. He is considered a serious coach. Certainly not top tier, but there are so few of those to begin with. Jackson, Sloan, Popovich. But he does coach a brand of basketball that is successful in the playoffs. If I’m LeBron, I don’t think Mike D’Antoni gets me any closer to a ring than Mike Dunleavy.

Do not worry. (Matthew 6:27)

by mikey p on Jul 28, 2009 4:27 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

How about this one from July 3?

I’m not sure how to link so I copied the post.

There is a way, friends
Free agents historically won’t come to the Clippers because of the management / coaching staff. However, if they clean house now, find good, young up and coming management talent first, and then a good young coach (Hughes), which translates into more winning this year, there could be a palpable buzz generated about the team that someone like Lebron could look at.

Just sayin’

by Jax on Jul 3, 2009 7:41 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

by Jax on Jul 28, 2009 3:55 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

off topic

i was reading the latest EP live chat and apparently eric places the clippers in the 8th spot in the west. I’m really lovin’ this clipper optimism now days (barring Griffins setback which luckily happened during the off-season)

by AtotheZ on Jul 28, 2009 4:06 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

My take on John R's comment

is that Simmons claim is easy to make because it can’t be proven.

I don’t think he doubts that you think so.

Do not worry. (Matthew 6:27)

by mikey p on Jul 28, 2009 4:29 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

True

He knows you agree with Billy Bob Simmons but also knows the statement is easy to put out the cos it can’t be proven either way. I

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by ClippersUK on Jul 28, 2009 4:39 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

I guess

I take my opinion and Simmons’ opinion on this issue as a given. The Clippers are in LA and play at Staples, a great market and venue. We have a coach who has historically been unable to sign free agents and who has a winning percentage over his six years here of under .400. Given these factors, and the iso offense he loves so much, to me common sense suggests that if we could get a new coach in here, and have a winning record this year, we could create buzz that could result in big signings over the summer (of course, cap issues might prevent that).

Some think that the coach has nothing to do with the issue, but realistically, given the track record, it would seem likely that we would have a better shot with a new coach.

by Jax on Jul 28, 2009 5:02 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Im just hoping we get a new coach period.

A fresh start sounds right with the acquisition of Blake.

Mike Smith on Eric Gordon: "The Clippers may have found their go to scorer."
On a second note, I want Novak back!

by JackduhSun on Jul 29, 2009 4:15 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Jax

Did you see his take on Collangelo’s desperate moves ? That’s how a good GM works. He he he

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by ClippersUK on Jul 28, 2009 4:41 PM PDT via mobile reply actions   0 recs

Only teasing mate.

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by ClippersUK on Jul 28, 2009 4:42 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

Ouch

I had the same thought when I read that. So I guess Jax and the Sports Guy don’t agree on everything. That’s ok.

In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd

by Steve Perrin on Jul 29, 2009 11:38 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

While we're on the subject . . .

The Toronto paper seems to think Colangelo’s done a great job:

http://www.torontosun.com/sports/basketball/2009/07/29/10297591-sun.html

And unlike many around here, apparently, I don’t take Simmons seriously. I do think, however, that he (to put it charitably) expanded on my ideas of how to lure the Lebrons of the world to the Clippers, just like Steve seems to think Simmons stole one of his ideas. I suspect that Simmons is an avid reader of this site, for better or for worse.

by Jax on Jul 29, 2009 7:09 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

If he does

then Simmons, you are a twit

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by ClippersUK on Jul 30, 2009 5:05 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't know

Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery

by Jax on Jul 30, 2009 9:18 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bill Simmons

I’ve only followed his stuff for a couple of years but does anyone else get the impression that he watches the Clippers as
it gives him an easy target to keep hitting with his humerous stick?

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by ClippersUK on Jul 28, 2009 4:45 PM PDT via mobile reply actions   0 recs

That was my Reading of it too. He wants to watch basketball and because of the rivalry, he’d watch anyone but the Lakers.
Thing is he moans about the Clips being perennial losers but then loves to make jokes at their expense. It doesn’t help the club when writes shit like the article on what Blake was getting himself into when we got the number one pick.

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by ClippersUK on Jul 28, 2009 5:02 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

Simmons...

I pay less attention to Simmons lately, but… he can be funny… really funny. Off topic, I guess, and a little dated, so not worthy of a Fanshot, but this is my favorite Bill Simmons column (from 2006):
“First Annual Atrocious GM Summit”:
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/060224

by swamigusto on Jul 28, 2009 7:25 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Understanding Simmons

SP promises a more exhaustive post, but he has “schoolwork.” I thought he was already a well-known blogger with a press credential.

Kind of like Bill Simmons. Simmons is about Simmons—he’s not especially concerned with the realistic opportunities and chances of success of the Clippers (as opposed to the Celtics), and he has a pretty good understanding of LA, entertainment, entertainment as sports, media, etc. He’s a smart guy—if you read the thing about his dad, you can see how Simmons is pretty aggressive about taking in information and developing opinions—his dad has something like three different degrees, and just retired from running a school district.

Simmons can be very funny, interesting, and knowledgable, but everything he says has to be taken with a grain of salt. He’s pretty reliable about the Celtics, and his loyalty to them seems solid enough, although we’d like to see his adopted home team test that this year and in the future. I’ve mentioned before how his attitude towards Doc Rivers was similar in way to what he’s putting MDSr through now, but now with KG, etc., guess what: he’s pretty good with Doc Rivers. But he knows the importance of a strong opinion, for good or ill—kind of like some other folks on this blog. It gets attention. Don’t go with the flow, cry for change, change the flow. Don’t be patient, do something right now. It’s so easy when you’re a critic and a commentator.

Dunleavy pegged Simmons pretty nicely when he called him a joke writer recently. His status as a journalist is worthy of an SP “thought paper.” It’s actually kind of amazing that our Humble Nation has a folksy, salt of the earth, one of us blogger like the Artist Formerly Known as Clipper Steve, the inimitable, rising KA, and Simmons is a season ticket holder. For a ridiculously lousy team, this is a phenomenal group. Maybe the Clips are about to do something big. Remember it’s not just those guys—we also have Club Optimism!

I think that Simmons needs to study Dunleavy just as carefully as he studied Elgin Baylor. As his English Professor, that’s what I would assign, rather than writing a paper on the accomplishments of Henry Louis Gates Jr., just because he’s a Masshole. Look at Dunleavy as a player, where he came from, what his game was like, what made him successful. I bet that he would find that Dunleavy is a lot like Simmons, only tougher, more committed to basketball, a better athlete, more focused and disciplined. In his excellent study of the Original (and only, now) EB, I believe that Simmons beat Dunleavy in Horse or some other shooting game, and Dunleavy never paid him. I’d like to hear Dunleavy’s version of this story—and with SP and KA on the case now, there’s an important question, finally! Simmons just needs to admit the fact that Dunleavy was a much better basketball player than he ever dreamed of being, that he had the solid NBA career that Simmons spent his entire adolescence dreaming he might have, that he has held a number of jobs that Simmons has spent a fair amount of time in his adulthood dreaming about having. Who is the only GM and coach in the NBA? This isn’t a good thing, necessarily, but it represents a lot of power in the league that Simmons obsesses on. We shouldn’t worry about Simmons. He gets paid to zhiv, to dream, to make it up as he goes along, he’s not accountable for anything, his only responsibility is to entertain us and to take care of his family. His primary concern is for himself.

His wild-arsed theories about what to do about the Clippers don’t have anything to do with reality. He needs to quiet down and focus on the shifting tides. We (our Jax contingent) want management to apologize for certain mistakes, but has Simmons said stated clearly that he was wrong about the Randolph trade, when he was certain that MDSr’s most grievous sin was trading for a horrible reprobate who is completely untradeable—and he had KA backing him up? No, he just blames Chris Wallace, another one of his incompetent GMs. But the truth is that Randolph spent an unfortunate but well-meaning year on the Clips, where he was far from being the primary problem, and his arrival allowed the franchise to stay credible and progress, and he is now a nice two-year player on the Grizzlies, giving them something that they badly needed. Chris Wallace isn’t a sucker for taking ZBo. Zbo is an asset with an outsized contract who was traded twice. So Simmons can start, before he writes the in-depth Dunleavy study, and goes to eat doughnuts with him in a receptive frame of mind like he did with Baron Davis, by apologizing for some of the things he said about the Randolph trade.

And the same thing is true with Donald Sterling. I’m not sure that Simmons was an STH when the articles ran about DTS’ real estate empire and his business philosophy. It’s very simple: never sell. Instead of coming up with hare-brained ideas of how to pry the Clippers away from DTS—about as easy to resolve as getting the Ayatollahs out of Iran—, again, Simmons should study DTS in depth, get beyond the deeply problematic racist and morality issues, which are tawdry and tired, and study his business acumen and rise: just how is it that a mediocre LA doctor becomes a multi-billionaire? It’s pretty simple, Simmons: mortgage the new book, the ESPN site, the two kids, and buy real estate, apartment buildings, downtown, over there in your hipster Silver Lake Eastside location NOW. Not tomorrow, TODAY. Clean it up, rent it out, make it decent and liveable and nice (increase its value with repairs and good management), and just hold onto it. Then buy some more.

It’s nice that Simmons gets paid for his MDSr diatribes and his fantasies about the team going nuts and blowing up under new ownership. But I like the real world better, you know, since that’s where things happen and that’s where we live. I like Jax and think he knows the game, but he’s a broken record waiting for things to change that just aren’t going to. Simmons isn’t so different. In the real world, we can hope that MDSr, who is not exactly the root of all evil, he’s more of a mixed bag, is successful and finds a way to kick himself upstairs under a new deal. The reptilian DTS can’t live forever, and does anyone have any idea about the succession plan for his empire? There’s a good journalistic question. We know all about Jeannie Buss and the kid who embarassed himself accepting the trophy, and of course Jerry Buss should pay 80 million, 40 to Lamar and 40 to the league, just because it’s the Lakers—but that’s money that Buss, the gambler, isn’t leaving behind for anybody, and his estate will be miniscule in comparison to Sterling’s.

Where are the Clippers headed in the longterm? One question is where the NBA is headed, but probably more important is the question of who will inherit Donald Sterling’s billions. If Simmons makes nice and plays his cards right and becomes a devotee, DTS just might leave him the team. Now that’s a plan.

by citizen zhiv on Jul 28, 2009 8:28 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

I don't know

I would think that DTS could potentially make a boatload of money by firing MDSr now (paying him the $5M he owes), hiring a competent gm, letting Kim Hughes run the team, and taking the chance that they get a winning record this year. If that happens, some top free 2010 free agent might be interested in signing for next year (again, subject to cap issues). The value of the team would then skyrocket IMO.

That scenario could happen if they change horses, but in our hearts of hearts we know it will not happen under the current regime. The team’s record over the past six years didn’t happen by accident.

I disagree with you also about some of what you say about Simmons. Sometimes it takes an outsider to point out the obvious.

by Jax on Jul 28, 2009 8:40 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Season ticket sales would increase.

I read somewhere that they’ve only sold a few hundred more season tix with the arrival of Griffin. If Dumbleavy were to be fired, they could potentially sell even more, and that would go to show how much Clipper Nation wants the guy outta here. I think there was an article that stated if Clips eat Dumb’s contract (10M over 2 years), they would make up for it at the box office, merchandise, etc.

by illastrate on Jul 29, 2009 9:04 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

How would they make up for it in merchandise

People buying the jerseys with the new coaches name on?

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by ClippersUK on Jul 29, 2009 9:19 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The key is saying potentially sell even more

There is no proof to this. The attendances have fallen by just over 2,000 a game on average in the last 2 years but who is to say that if we take on another GM, the attendances are going to rocket up again.
A lot of fans are fickle and will come back if the team is winning, period.

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by ClippersUK on Jul 29, 2009 9:33 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think Dunleavy gets a mulligan for the year EB went down, 2007/08

I don’t think he should get one for last year, though. That team was clearly not well coached.

Otherwise, he posted some decent records given the talent he had at the time. Remember, when he came on board the PGs were Marco Jaric and Rick Brunson. .

Do not worry. (Matthew 6:27)

by mikey p on Jul 29, 2009 9:23 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

As far as competent GM

I have some questions:

1. Do you have any suggestions?

2. What makes you think that DTS knows what a competent GM looks like if he has whiffed with his last two?

Do not worry. (Matthew 6:27)

by mikey p on Jul 29, 2009 9:26 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Whether or not he a decent coach is one argument

But I’m firmly in the camp of keeping Dunleavy as our GM. There has been a marked improvement in the running of this team from that level in the last 18 months.
We’ve had some luck (lottery) but that isn’t Dunleavy’s doing. He’s building a roster than is much more balanced and forward looking that we’ve had in quite some time in Clipperland.
He’s a strong character and I believe that the decisions he’s made, he seriously thinks they were for our benefit. The Zbo trade, he felt would give the team some low post scoring whilst Kaman was sitting and home playing Xbox. He was right, it did.
We have to draw a line from GM to coach and what decisions he makes fall under which job. This is why it’s hard to hold both jobs and why I’d like to see him concentrate on being the GM

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by ClippersUK on Jul 29, 2009 9:31 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

IS it possible to keep Dunleavy as GM but not coach?

would he accept the lesser job? I don’t exactly know if its less important, but if I remember correctly, someone here at ClippersNation said that coaches get paid quite a bit more than GM’s. If push come to shove and Dunleavy HAD to remain as coach, I’d want him out in both positions…

Mike Smith on Eric Gordon: "The Clippers may have found their go to scorer."
On a second note, I want Novak back!

by JackduhSun on Jul 29, 2009 12:44 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Obviously I disagree

To retierate:

On the positive side he did get DTS to spend more and he picked Gordon.

On the negative side, he signed BD to a five year, $65M deal, knowing that BD needs to be in an unstructured, uptempo environment. He failed to retain EB. He signed Zbo taking on the huge albatross contract (I know, he’s now gotten rid of him, but that was lucky IMO, not that there’s anything wrong with luck). He failed to sign any other free agents over the years. He drafted Korolev. Most important, during his reign, his teams have under a .400 winning percentage.

He also participated in the Elgin Baylor as figurehead GM charade, which irks me.

by Jax on Jul 29, 2009 1:14 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Here are the notable moves while he was de facto GM (off the top of my head):

Matched offer for EB
Matched offer for Corey Maggette
Let Odom walk
Let Andre Miller walk
Let Olowakandi walk
Traded for unknown Bobby Simmons (eventual NBA MIP)
Drafted Chris Kaman #6
Drafted Shaun Livingston #4
Let Quentin Richardson walk
Made offer to Kobe Bryant
Acquired Kerry Kittles for a 2nd Rd. pick
Let Bobby Simmons walk
Drafted Korolev #12 (BAD)
Made offer to Ray Allen
Signed Cuttino Mobley
Traded Marco Jaric for Sam Cassell
Traded Chris Wilcox for Vlad Rad
Let Vlad Rad walk
Signed Tim Thomas (BAD)
Drafted Al Thornton
Drafted Eric Gordon
Signed Baron Davis
Lost Elton Brand (Bad at the time, blessing in disguise)
Acquired Marcus Camby for 2nd Rd. pick
Made offer to Kelenna Azubiuke
Traded Mobley and Thomas for Zach Randolph
Drafted Blake Griffin
Traded Zach Randolph for Quentin Richardson
Traded Quentin Richardson for Craig Smith, Telfair and Mark Madsen

All in all, not too bad. It’s been a definite step up for Clippers fans these past 6 years. Things were much worse prior to Dunleavy joining the team. I think he is flawed as a coach, but I think his basketball moves have been respectable.

Thanks for turning me into the Dunleavy defender.

Do not worry. (Matthew 6:27)

by mikey p on Jul 29, 2009 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Seriously

it is all from memory. Shows my loserness.

Do not worry. (Matthew 6:27)

by mikey p on Jul 29, 2009 3:27 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Impressive

Impressive loserishness, but still.

It’s a funny thing to review, and I wonder what’s missing. No Drobnak or Big Z items, no Tremaine Fowlkes or Matt Barnes.

Also funny that I don’t usually think of the Tim Thomas signing as a bad move, although he was so horrible as a player on the Clippers. So it must have been, right? I might have been the bang-bang sequence with the seemingly bad deal that the Lakers gave Radman, followed by the Clips giving Thomas the shorter deal for slightly less money, and Thomas “could do more things” (we always hear that, and I’ve spent too much time debunking it) and was coming off a great playoff run. But with Wilcox gone and not missed after the trade, and Radman signed by the Lakers, I wonder now what the other options might have been at the time.

Probably takes a little research and effort that I’m not going to do.

by citizen zhiv on Jul 29, 2009 3:49 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Totally forgot about the Drobniaks of the world

There were many minor moves in there as well.

I initally regretted calling the Tim Thomas move “bad”. More of a mixed move, especially in hindsight.

Do not worry. (Matthew 6:27)

by mikey p on Jul 29, 2009 5:03 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Very impressive

that you did that all from memory!
As you have it, 2 BAD moves v. a plethora of decent to good to great moves.
Hard to argue against the facts.

Do or do not. There is no try.

by Clip Show on Jul 29, 2009 4:02 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's not "our heart of hearts"

It won’t happen… because there’s no way that it’s going to happen. And it’s just playing the broken record to think otherwise and speculate accordingly.

MDSr received some bad breaks with injuries and has some horrible aspects to his coaching. But with the bad luck came the good, and he’s not sitting around feeling sorry for himself. He’s trying to do everything he can to build a solid roster and make good basketball decisions, first as a GM and second as a coach. Getting Blake Griffin, getting players healthy, getting players like Camby and Baron Davis playing with Gordon and Thornton for a second season together, gives him a chance at success.

It’s just an unexpected window of opportunity. If things continue to go wrong, Dunleavy’s deal will come to an end—every day that goes by it gets “cheaper” to fire him. Griffin and Gordon will still be around, along with some of the other players on the roster, one would think, but there would be changes. DTS is never going to make things easy and act like a typical or “good” owner. That’s just the way it is. And I am genuinely curious about the DTS succession plan, but you see guys like Rupert Murdoch and Sumner Redstone hanging on forever, and DTS seems pretty tan and healthy in his own reptilian way, so it could still be awhile.

If MDSr iss successful, he will receive consideration to get a new deal to continue as GM and bring in a coach. This is actually an outcome that we should be hoping for. It is the best, most satisfying current option for the fans. Maybe MDSr isn’t capable of taking a team over the final deep playoff hurdles and getting to the NBA finals, but he should be able to get a talented team as far as he took the 05-06 Clips and get to the WCF. Is this team talented enough this year? Probably not. But they should be able to win a whole lot more games than they did the last two seasons. We really have no idea what they can do at this point. There are just so many questions. But that’s why we’re interested, I guess.

by citizen zhiv on Jul 29, 2009 11:00 AM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

Nice post Zhiv

I agree that he likes to target things and then sensationalise them to a point when a general sports reader will find his suggestions amusing but also take them half seriously.

I suppose with his reader base, as with most of ESPN’s coverage, they like to treat the under performing franchises as a joke, especially ours.

Whilst (34 – SP), I find Simmons writing and podcasts (sometimes) quite entertaining, what annoys me is that disrespect that he shows to people within the basketball world. As a sports fan, you always have an opinion, probably more so when your team is under performing because it’s easy to sit at home and point out the faults. We don’t see all the stuff that goes on behind closed doors however.

His attempt at putting his name forward for the T’Wolves GM job was a joke in my opinion. In a way, I’d have loved it if they had given him a sixth month contract and watched whilst he fell on his butt and made a hash of a job. Of course, it’s the real world and it’s a business so no-one is going to put a novice into a senior managers job in a large franchise/organisation.

Like I said before, it annoys me the way he covers the Clippers. When I first found out he was a “fan” of the Clippers and a season ticket holder, I thought I’d enjoy the extra exposure the club gets as it’s rarely in the news for winning.

However, listening to the crappy NBA today ESPN podcasts with that idiot presenter Jason Smith who finds it funny to mock the Clippers every day (I’ve sent him so many abusive emails, the Spam filter problem auto sends them to the deleted items now!), I’ve sort have got fed up with ESPN’s coverage.

Simmons, then just uses his position as a journalist and a season ticket holder to act as an outsider pointing out all the things that are wrong, without covering the good points. Occassionaly, I’ve agreed (calling out Baron last year) but most of the time, it’s going over the same ground again.

Bingo! Oh me oh my!

by ClippersUK on Jul 29, 2009 5:26 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Since when did Silver Lake become the Eastside?

Just kidding.

Otherwise, excellent post. The psychoanalysis of Simmons vis-à-vis Dunleavy as a basketball player is particularly scathing.

I just kind of enjoy Simmons now for what he is. He is an excellent writer, but he is by no means an excellent analyst. He doesn’t get paid to honestly analyze the sport he gets paid to make jokes. As I’ve said before, Simmons irks me more as Clipper fan than anything else because of his fake, “I’m a Clipper fan too” nonsense which is completely disingenuous. But otherwise I find it easy to enjoy his work and just move on.

by Michael White on Jul 29, 2009 7:59 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Simmons dad

I find this element of his storyline to be disingenuous. In his pieces, he represents his dad as being a salt of the earth, crusty Masshole without an ounce of culture in him. The elder Simmons may indeed be those things, but the fact that his dad has a masters, a JP and a PhD does change the image a little bit.

I like Simmons. I find him to be smart and entertaining. I agree with him often (though I don’t think Almost Famous is the defining movie of the decade – not even close).

Do not worry. (Matthew 6:27)

by mikey p on Jul 29, 2009 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I have never taken Bill Simmons words seriously, and still do not.

by andrewexd on Jul 28, 2009 9:44 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

I had been thinking about this a lot lately actually.

and I think Simmons really stole the idea right out of my head. I have discussed this hypothetical recently with some people and said that if I ever were to come into a large sum of money the first thing I would do with it would be to buy the Clippers, change the name/colors/mascot, hire different management, and move the team. There is just so much negativity associated with the word “Clippers” that a change in name is a must. Also, a move out of LA would be a move away from the shadow of the Lakers but moving to somewhere like Orange County could serve to keep their current market share, while also gaining new fans and a new identity. It seems like the franchise is on the cusp of exploding into something potentially great and with the right mindsight of a new owner the Clippers could very well become a lot like what the Angels have become. Arte Moreno bought the Angels for $180 million and now the franchise is worth over $500 million and I feel like similar possibilities exist with the Clippers. Just something that had always been on my mind.

by turs12 on Jul 28, 2009 11:20 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Huh?

Why would you move the team? Yankees/Mets do fine, not far apart. Jet/Giants play in the same stadium. Los Angeles is plenty big enough to support two teams. Clips have no debt and make money every year, the venue’s big enough, new enough, the split works fine.
The Clipper’s problems have absolutely NOTHING to do with “playing in the Laker’s shadow”. This is nonsense. The Clippers won nineteen games last year, that’s the problem. Management needs to change THAT. Silly name changes, costume changes are MEANINGLESS.
We’ve seen it happen! When the team is better the arena fills up. If you’ve got a head cold or the flu, you don’t fix it by buying an Italian suit and a new car, you fix it by bed rest, listening to your doctor, and perhaps… a number one draft pick. Yeah, well, that can’t hurt can it? All the ghosts go away when you start winning.

by swamigusto on Jul 29, 2009 7:12 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

It wasn’t too long ago that the name “Cavaliers” was a laughing stock too. Ditto for the Tampa Bay Rays and the Detroit Tigers. These things change quickly and the way they are changed is by winning, not by making superficial changes to the name/color/location of the team.

Also, I think Arte Moreno would disagree with turs12’s thesis as his mission since aquiring the team has been to distance himself from the name Anaheim and try to associate the team with the city of Los Angeles.

by Michael White on Jul 29, 2009 8:03 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes, things change with winning

There’s the rub. The team has one year with a winning record in the last 20 or so. The issue is how this team can be transformed into a team that expects to win, that is used to winning, and that is put together in a way where winning is likely to occur.

Having said that, there’s nothing wrong with rebranding the team as part of an effort to increase the team’s overall value. This is a team that has a losing culture. Neither the Cavs, the Rays nor the Tigers were ever considered perennial losers, the worst teams in sports, year after year after year after year.

Any effort at rebranding, to work, couldn’t happen in a vacumn. As noted by swami, mwhite and others, they need to start winning first.

by Jax on Jul 29, 2009 8:59 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Im surprised

no one is commenting on BG’s torn rotator cuff.

How often does an injury like that “heal in 3 to 4 weeks” esp with our trainers at the helm.

by Newtybar on Jul 29, 2009 11:12 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

How often?

I’m no doctor (but I did stay at a Holliday Inn Express last night) but Randy Johnson who is 40 years old and a major league baseball pitcher also tore his rotator cuff and was projected to be out 4 weeks also. So, I figure a 20 year old who doesn’t have nearly as much strain on the shoulder should be good to go in at least 4 weeks.

by Michael White on Jul 29, 2009 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's not confirmed is it?

All I’ve seen is a tweet from Bill Simmons. Since when does Simmons break news?

Nothing from Ramona, Pedro, LA Times, KA, Steve, etc. Not even Ralph on FB.

Not saying it isn’t true, but it’s kinda strange isn’t it?

by madglove on Jul 29, 2009 11:27 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

He seems okay in the video with DJ

no brace or cast or anything he should be fine.

In Gordon we trust

by bestclipfan on Jul 29, 2009 6:59 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

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