Turkoglu Turnaround
by citizen zhiv on Jul 3, 2009 9:57 PM PDT
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I'll mention right up front that this is over in the FanPosts because it has nothing to do with the Clippers. It's about free agency and relates to the Clips tangentially, but still. It's SP's site, and if he wants to move things over, awesome.
So Hedo makes a tentative deal with the Blazers, first reported, in a rather professional fashion, by uberbballblogger and Blazer fan Henry Abbott--kind of a minor question about supposed journalistic impartiality there, but things are moving quickly these days, and it's rather unfortunate that Abbott's story ended up falling apart. So he just wrote a nice retraction, comparing the tentative deal--emphasis on tentative--to buying a house. You make an offer, it's accepted, but both parties can get out of it for a period of time. These are big, expensive deals, and that's a good thing.
Anybody out there in Clipperdom reminded of a little deal that unraveled around this time last year? The FElton Fiasco still haunts us, and we shouldn't let this Turkoglu Turnaround go by without a nod at our own tumult last July.
This is a great coup by Toronto. The part that interests me is that it means that they can't sign Shawn Marion. I find Marion a talented but overrated player. For some reason I'm pulling for Lamar Odom to make a great deal, but I like the idea of a team taking Turkoglu and rejecting Marion. Okay, the reason to value Odom and hope for him to make a great deal is pretty obvious--it's to pry him away from the Lakers.
Marion was a prime beneficiary of the D'Antoni system and playing with Steve Nash. He can make plays all day long, run the floor, and he rebounds really well. It's interesting to put him into the conversation of Artest, Ariza, Odom, Battier and Turkoglu--and why not add Thornton to the mix. Or Blake Griffin.
This is also AGGT: Advanced Glue Guy Theory. One of the simplest ways to look at it is whether a player makes other guys on his team better. It's moving the ball, ball-handling, the ability to penetrate, to finish or dish, court vision. Turkoglu was very impressive in the playoffs. Of course, it helps quite a bit for him to play with Dwight Howard and Rashard Lewis, but he played some great basketball.
Portland gets to regroup. Maybe they'll sign Odom. Not sure what happens to Marion now. Marion was identified as problematic in Phoenix, when he wanted more credit for their success. It seems as if it was more about the coach and Steve Nash, and the system was a great fit for Marion. Not sure why, but I'm not feeling the need to wish him well, and I don't mind Portland missing out on a great player either.
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Clips should pick up Marion
1 year/8-9 million
costs us nothing… and we get a hole filler. a stud permitier d player, starter caliber at the 3 and a filler at the 4.
we also get excitment back in the gym, this guy jumps all over the place.
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Marion can guard the big 2s that will give Gordon Problems
No 2 is going to post up Marion, ’cept the top tier dawgs like Kobe.
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by Clipochistic on Jul 3, 2009 10:23 PM PDT up reply actions
think...
gordon, thornton, marion and camby running the court together…
yikes!
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by Clipochistic on Jul 3, 2009 11:26 PM PDT up reply actions
oh yeah and that new guy
whats his name? hehehe…
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by Clipochistic on Jul 3, 2009 11:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Glake Briffin?. ekalb niffirg? Some Russian guy? Can't seem to google him anywhere.
Mike Smith on Eric Gordon: "The Clippers may have found their go to scorer."
On a second note, I want Novak back!
no i was talking about the newest clipper quentin richardson...
khehehe…yeah that griffen guy might actually make the team this year.
we’re pullin for ya kid!
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by Clipochistic on Jul 3, 2009 11:48 PM PDT up reply actions
that was funny stuff by the way
his name is.. his name is… his name is…
a-hard-ta-praunowncsz… i think it might be slovakian.
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by Clipochistic on Jul 3, 2009 11:53 PM PDT up reply actions
looks like clipsnation has themselves a pair of 12 year olds on board...
and why does clipochistic reply to himself 4 times rather than fitting it all in 1 post…….serously?!!
Your mom and dad?
Thanks for your unnessisary comment. Really don’t see a point in making assunptions about other people; reality is, it just makes you look dumber.
Mike Smith on Eric Gordon: "The Clippers may have found their go to scorer."
On a second note, I want Novak back!
*people's age
Mike Smith on Eric Gordon: "The Clippers may have found their go to scorer."
On a second note, I want Novak back!
And plus
even if I were twelve, you’d still be less of a man than I am. Kay, Thanks.
Mike Smith on Eric Gordon: "The Clippers may have found their go to scorer."
On a second note, I want Novak back!
I was about 12 when i started liking the Clippers in the early 80's (repazent)
Maybe i regressed to that point with this last season of ‘downs’. hehe.
If only I could figure out how to edit my orginal post, then i would be organized in addition to dangerous. khehehe.
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by Clipochistic on Jul 4, 2009 10:17 AM PDT up reply actions
sorry but the term "hehehe" should never be used by a dude...
(and i admit, i’m assuming you’re both dudes) it comes across as a little girl snicker, and gives the impression of creepiness….other than that, and the fact that you reply to your own messages like 10 times, i dont really have a problem.
Official Message Board Regulators Mount Up!
You should try not being so insecure with your masculinity. From what I have been able to gather, this board is about hoops.
hehehehahaha!
I will continue to convey joy in whatever way I please, so get used to it.
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Here's to you Mr Insecure Message Board Regulator...
Without you what would all of the intelligent people on this board do to fill their time?
When some people are creepily talking about basketball, you’re there enforcing message board more’ by eliminating all of the lol’s and enforcing the gender semantics..
This one is for you….
(hoisting large goblet)
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intelligent people? really?!
the intelligent people on this board are not wasting their time handing out imaginary awards or playing childish games of “who’s who?”, they are talking about the clippers….its not that hard really, leave the childish nonsense to other boards
ok troller11
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by Clipochistic on Jul 6, 2009 11:02 PM PDT up reply actions
you should probably move on to a slower moving target?
yeah? know?
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by Clipochistic on Jul 6, 2009 11:19 PM PDT up reply actions
You know Clipochistic
I think there might be a reason whe hes called Krap-er…
Mike Smith on Eric Gordon: "The Clippers may have found their go to scorer."
On a second note, I want Novak back!
the krapster abides... (<- too many periods?)
i keep hoping to gain some wisdom from what the krapster has to say.
unfortunately all he has done is criticize some casual messageboard banter. a very noble intervention indeed.
the irony of him trying to play who’s who with me has me hehehahahahakekeke’ ing to bed.
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by Clipochistic on Jul 6, 2009 11:32 PM PDT up reply actions
Your getting him mad Chipochistic!
call him Krapper11 or else he’ll unleash his fury! What exactly is his fury btw? Does it have to do with something in his name?
Mike Smith on Eric Gordon: "The Clippers may have found their go to scorer."
On a second note, I want Novak back!
you should add one of these:
you two just dont get it…
(while wagging finger)
It communicates that you are ‘the adult’ in this situation.
Appparently i dont get it, maybe i didnt read the rules when i signed up. Was there a clause about not making Dick jokes and having the occasional fart humor?
Missed that part. Memo to self: Must Re-Read agreement.
Anyways nice sniffing buttocks with you, hope i havent hurt your feelings, have a great day!
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by Clipochistic on Jul 7, 2009 10:14 AM PDT up reply actions
I guess he's the adult.
Clipochistic, let us proceed to our ekalb niffirg childlist rants before we were rudly interrupted. So… any good dick jokes lately? (;
Mike Smith on Eric Gordon: "The Clippers may have found their go to scorer."
On a second note, I want Novak back!
this window is getting narrow
<<<——- closing in -→>>>>
<<<——- ahhhhhgg! —→>>>
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Warning to Clippers fans
That’s Clipochistic’s actualy size. (= heh just yanking your chain a bit Clip (:
Mike Smith on Eric Gordon: "The Clippers may have found their go to scorer."
On a second note, I want Novak back!
Key to understanding the positive emotions of Clipochistic
hehe = mildy funny
haha = pretty funny
mooha = diabolically funny
tehe = this is the coy giggle laugh i think you are referring to and since I dont know you very well, I wouldn’t just hand this one out to you.
oh yeah, and multiples mean that the original hehe or haha is exponentially more than a regular base version of hehe or haha.
hence:
hehehahahahehe = i am giggling and laughing a lot!
aol translations:
hehe = lol
haha = lol
mua = lol
hehahahaha = rofl
moohuahaha = rofl
I hope this is simple enough for you.
By the way was krapper, krapper1, krapper2, krapper3, krapper4, krapper5, krapper6, krapper7, krapper8, krapper9, krapper10 not available?
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LOL
Pretty good comeback there Chipochistic. Made me laugh a bit.
hehehe.. (;
Mike Smith on Eric Gordon: "The Clippers may have found their go to scorer."
On a second note, I want Novak back!
good point andrewexd
hoho = jollyier form of haha
keke = slightly sillier version of hehe
aol translation
hoho = lol
keke = lol
it goes on and on. i think the best approach is to take a dynamic view of it rather than a static one.
the cool thing is, you can even make up your own.
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by Clipochistic on Jul 5, 2009 10:35 PM PDT up reply actions
I would think
Cavs would be more interested in Marion, a wing defender.
At PF?
Shaq, Lebron, Marion?
I guess that replaces Varejao. But I like the idea of us having the Clippers a bit better.
Mike Smith on Eric Gordon: "The Clippers may have found their go to scorer."
On a second note, I want Novak back!
*having Marion
Mike Smith on Eric Gordon: "The Clippers may have found their go to scorer."
On a second note, I want Novak back!
i agree
but if i was playing for the clips, it would have to be an amazing one year deal Or I’d play for a contender.
Hmm.
8 Mils? Sounds about right?
Savor ir Qlipper!
PG:Baron
SG:Gordon
SF:Marion/ Thornton
PF: Blake/ Marion
C: Kaman/ Camby
If that’s not a running lineup, I’m not sure what is. I say this cause Baron, Thornton, and Marion seem to be the type of player that thrive best when in a fast pace offense. Gordon seems to thrive in any kind of offense, and Blake seems very versitle also. (Centers probably won’t be running much anyways.) So that’s 4/5 players on th fast break. That lineup just might be as exciting as the Odom- Richardson years.
Mike Smith on Eric Gordon: "The Clippers may have found their go to scorer."
On a second note, I want Novak back!
The way I see it..
This type of lineup could run up 120 points per game while also being able to matchup defensively. Thats a dangerous proposition.
in the non abstract, you have two really good lineups and no holes.
in the abstract you have a chain of varying skillsets to arrange in any order to come up with the solution to any team’s particluar riddle.
We would of course need a clause in Marion’s contract that he can never under any circumstance shoot another three ball.
Also its predicated on him taking a 1 year deal, which he may do, to keep himself in the top tier pay grade, knowing how much money is coming free next year. he is looking at 3/$21 right now from the league, maybe 1/$10 is desireable to him.
Plus if it works out, we will be able to resign everyone. If it doesn’t, we can go whale hunting….
It’s all specualtion, but it is a very exciting possibility.
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by Clipochistic on Jul 4, 2009 10:24 AM PDT up reply actions
hehe yeah
maybe dunleavy resigns as coach and hires paul westphaul to run and gun.
clippers score 186 points per game and still lose 60 games.
i think sac might have beat us to the punch… nevermind.
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by Clipochistic on Jul 4, 2009 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions
I'm glad Turk is not a blazer
Not basketball reasons, Has anyone been to a Clipper game when the national Turkish Alliance are present b/c Hedo or Memo is in the building. It’s like a soccer game, songs are sang and there is a cloud of Cologne floating throughout the staples center. Instead of seeing the alliance twice this upcoming year, we only have to see them once.
Hmm
Not sure how much we can offer Marion but after adding Griffin’s contract I’m pretty sure we’ll only have 4-5 million left to offer any FAs.
We have less than $57 million committed before removing Zbo. Zbo makes 6.7 more than Q-Rich. That means we are at about $50million. Blake’s rookie contract should take up 5 million so that only leaves a few million left. Am I missing something?
FA in 2010.
we prolly gotta get rid of someone in some kind of way
i think toronto has until june 7th to sign and trade him. we have a couple of modestly priced throw ins that could make the numbers work (it would be awesome to keep qrich). maybe even a sweetener pick (since we are going to win the champ next year and will be picking last anyways, khehehe) to make it worth it for toronto.
it would definately take the right series of breaks and maneuvers to make it happen, but interesting nonetheless.
i am not real acute when it comes to the business end, so i digress.
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Pincus says Clippers have no interest in Marion
Eric Pincus put a tweet out this morning indicating Marion to the Clippers in a sign and trade was possible, but that the Clippers have indicated they have no interest in it.
by Clipster Hipster on Jul 4, 2009 3:34 PM PDT reply actions
bummer. thanks for the update!
can officially end fantasy, khehehe…
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I love this blog
I get all kinds of info the clippers instantly from other clipper fans. Would have loved Marion, but I think they are saving money for 2010.
Turkoglu
This is a fascinating situation. And how about this ’graph from the Chris Sheridan story:
Turkoglu’s about-face sent shockwaves throughout the NBA, and parallels were being drawn between his decision and the 2004 episode when Carlos Boozer reneged on a deal to re-sign with Cleveland after they released him from his contract, then stunned the Cavs by signing with Utah. The difference in this case, according to one person with detailed knowledge of the discussions, was that Turkoglu did not intentionally or unintentionally deceive the Blazers, but instead had a change of heart after giving the Blazers his word.
Huh? You’re going back 5 years to the Boozer thing – which is totally different by the way, since Boozer made a LOT more money by lying outright – rather than just going back to last year and Brand? Weird.
But thin-skinned Clippernoia aside, this is terrible news for the Blazers. They thought they had the guy they wanted, only to lose him to a ‘more cosmopolitan’ city – ouch. Worse still, they apparently pissed off Rudy Fernandez along the way (haven’t seen any update on this, but can you imagine if they lost Hedo AND Rudy (who can always go back to Spain)?
I like the Blazers and hope they do well. But between the 2007 lottery and a billion draft picks that all seemed to pan out, they were on a roll of good luck that had to end some time. We’ll see how they recover from losing Hedo – they have cap space and they’re not afraid to use it.
In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd
looks like
blazers have something like the following order of precedence:
1. TurkeyLou
2. Lee – his situation might be limiting, specially after recently being spurned bt TL
3. Odom – i think they end up with LO
4. Marion – last resort
They do seem intent on spending some cashish on a combo forward.
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by Clipochistic on Jul 4, 2009 10:41 PM PDT up reply actions
Odom as a blazer?
I hope he knows you can’t Blaze in portland.
I don’t know if they spend the money on Lee b/c of his restricted status.
Odom makes the most sense for them
hehe. didnt even think about that..
i wonder if the league cares if he is ‘medical’?
would be funny/pittiful if your contractual obligations revolved around living in a state that has liberal medical laws?, hehe..
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by Clipochistic on Jul 5, 2009 11:50 AM PDT up reply actions
Sticky Ricky, heha
Clips should trade Sticky Ricky to Houston, might improve his production.
I hear the humidity is good for those ailing joints.
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Boo.
he needs the weed to head those joint paint. oh wait, that’s for blind people.
Mike Smith on Eric Gordon: "The Clippers may have found their go to scorer."
On a second note, I want Novak back!
Clippernoia
Nice!
Exactly right—if you’re FElton, it’s okay, even if it hasn’t really worked out in Philly yet, since, you know, it was the Clippers.
I don’t know that Rudy F. thing is so dire, especially since the Gluey Turk didn’t sign with them. Should be interesting to see the Blazers counter-move.
Rudy cannot play overseas for 3 years
FIBA won’t allow it. He signed a NBA contract. The update is Rudy’s agent never told ESPN any of that crap.
Celtics just made a move
Rasheed has agreed to sign a deal with the Celtics.
http://www.nba.com/2009/news/features/david_aldridge/07/05/wallace.celtics/index.html
Now the Celtics, Cavs and Orlando have all made moves in attempt to be more competitive next season. And this may possibly start a rebuilding by Detroit.
In Gordon we trust
Is Orlando really more competitive with Carter
and without Hedo?
Mike Smith on Eric Gordon: "The Clippers may have found their go to scorer."
On a second note, I want Novak back!
possibly
if Carter can hit an open jump shot and provide another scoring threat outside of Howard he could help. But we won’t know until the season starts how it will work out. But another question is will be Toronto be competitive with Hedo.
In Gordon we trust
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