Some Questions About Sessions' Fit
by Jax on Aug 14, 2009 10:57 AM PDT
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The more I think about it, the more I wonder whether Sessions is a good long term fit for the Clippers if the eventual goal is for him to be a starter, particularly at a relatively high salary.
You really need your pg to be a good shooter with range, unless you have two other legit three point shooters on the floor at that time. Sessions is not a good shooter, particularly at range. He doesn't shoot the three ball. At best, he'd be an Andre Miller type, I suppose.
I personally don't think a lineup of Sessions, Gordon, Thornton, Griffin and Kaman / Camby will be as good as a lineup that would feature a pg that shoots threes. However, if Butler were the starter, or Thornton found three point range, that would be better.
Perhaps it's better to wait and spend the money on a pg who can hit the three. Even a Rafer Alston type. Maybe even Telfair, who can shoot the three, is better for us at this point even though he's not as good a pass-first pg as Sessions. I'm not saying that this is what they should do, just that these are some concerns that I have that I'm raising here.
I suppose that these are concerns that a number of teams have, which is why they aren't throwing out huge offers to Sessions.
Discuss.
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I've never been bullish on Sessions
For the main reason you stated, I just don’t think he fits well. I’m actually fairly happy with Telfair and somehow think he’s going to have a breakout year.
It's fair
to be concerned about Sessions’ outside shooting. I think it’s a legit concern.
But it’s disingenuous to claim that Telfair “can shoot the three.” What does that statement even mean? He’s a career 31% three point shooter. This is like when you thought Sam Cassell was a three point threat. It’s simply not true. Neither Telfair, nor Sessions, are legitimate threats from 3. So if you don’t like Sessions for that reason, you can’t possibly turn around and want Telfair. If anything, Telfair’s numbers show that despite his poor shooting percentage, he’ll still try to jack up the three on occasion, which isn’t a good thing.
hold on there MG
Cassell not a 3 point threat. He certainly was, I fondly remember him making more then a few clutch 3’s here. I agree Telfair isn’t a 3 point threat but don’t go throwing Cassell into that group.
In Gordon we trust
by bestclipfan on Aug 14, 2009 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions
This discussion was already had....
You may remember a clutch 3 or two, but that doesn’t mean he was consistently a legit threat. Sorry, it’s fact. Go look up his numbers. The guy hardly shot the three as a Clipper.
Ramon Sessions nailed a buzzer beater three pointer in Milwaukee last season. That doesn’t make him a three point threat.
For some reason I thought that Telfair shoots the three
31% is far better than 19% or whatever it is that Sessions shoots. Sessions is NO threat. Other pgs are at least some threat.
I am not sure why MG’s using words like disingenuous here that imply some sort of intent to mislead. Relax my man.
Yea he shoots the three...
he just doesn’t make many of them.
And yea 31% is better than what Sessions shoots. What does that matter? If you’re not shooting close to 40%, you’re not a legit threat, and shooting more just makes you a liability. That’s the whole basis of your post. You want a guy who’s a three point threat. You can’t say that and then reference Telfair.
And it does come off as disingenuous when you write stuff like that. Just like when you tried to say that Cassell was a three point threat. Why do you make such claims without actually knowing if the facts? If it’s not disingenuous, it’s simply uninformed, and being the hoops junkie that you are, I find it hard to believe you’re uninformed.
Stop
Telfair was 73-211 shooting threes coming off the bench for the Bucks last year. In 27 minutes. Those aren’t horrible totals IMO. And he certainly has a good chance to improve.
Perhaps I shouldn’t have mentioned Telfair anyway because he’s nothing more than a bench player whereas we are looking at Sessions and deciding whether to commit big bucks to him as a starter.
Jax, 5 million dollars a year is not “big bucks” for a point guard of Sessions’ caliber. Baron is making nearly triple that. Dude has already posted career highs of 44 points and 24 assists. Sure, they may be “flukes”, doubt it myself, but it shows potential. Frankly, I don’t see why the Knicks don’t lock him up already at the MLE. That’s a bargain, IMO.
by Gordon for President on Aug 14, 2009 12:18 PM PDT up reply actions
I agree - he's a potentially good player
And you’re probably right – get him at that price point for two to three years. All I’m pointing out is that there are reasons why tons of teams are not banging down his door.
I took your advice and went and looked up his numbers....
and he shot 37% from three in 05-06 with the Clippers.
And...
How many did he shoot a game and how many did he make? The guy made less than 1 three a game. That does not make you a 3 pt threat. The percentages don’t tell the whole story.
And speaking of percentages, what percentage did he shoot the next year with the Clippers? 29.4%.
Look at his career averages – he made 0.7 threes a game.
Is that supposed to qualify as a 3 pt threat nowadays? By comparison, Jason Kidd, who nobody would call a sharp shooter, has averaged 1.3 threes a game for his career.
Sam’s career numbers behind the arc aren’t reflective of his latter years. He didn’t really start consistently attempting three’s till he hit MIN. I watched him for years in MIL take nothing but his perfected mid-range jumper. Probably because Ray Allen and Glenn Robinson were there. Not saying he’s a dead-eye, but he really did become a threat the last few years of his career.
by Gordon for President on Aug 14, 2009 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions
How is this?
If you put his 2 years in Minny in with his 2 years with the Clippers, he shot 203 of 598 attempts, leaving him at 34.5%.
How is this a big threat?
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I don’t recall typing the word big.
by Gordon for President on Aug 14, 2009 2:35 PM PDT up reply actions
Ok if that is how you want to be, fine
You made a point to say Sam was a threat in his later years when clearly he wasn’t. That ok for you?
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by ClippersUK on Aug 14, 2009 2:58 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Come on
As I said below, he can shoot the three, and he’s also an all-star deadeye midrange shooter, which Sessions clearly is not.
If you want to get me Sam Cassell’s clone, I’ll pay him top dollar. Let me know.
No worries
I’m not debating if Sam was a great player. He was and could take great mid range jumpers in pressure situations.
He could also hit a 3 but saying he was a threat when over 4 seasons he shot 34% doesn’t really match up in my opinion. Thats all I’m saying.
Yep, if you see that clone (poor looking bloke) then sign him up!
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Midrange?
So? How is that relevant at all to your point? Your whole point was that the team needs a three point shooter at the PG position. It doesn’t matter at all that Sam was dead eye mid range shooter.
And who cares if you’ll pay top dollar for Sam’s clone? We’re not talking about paying Sessions “top dollar” either. We’re talking about the MLE or less. You understand what that means right? The MLE is the average salary in the league. Clearly not “top dollar.”
Your arguments are like a moving target. First you don’t think Sessions is a good fit b/c you want a 3 pt shooter at the point. That’s fine. Then you’re saying Sam’s a 3 pt shooter. Uh, no he’s not. Then you say that Telfair is a 3 pt shooter. Uh no he’s not. Then having been proven wrong on both points, you’re force to back into Sam “can” shoot the 3 (what does that even mean? Anyone in the NBA “can” shoot the 3) and he’s a deadeye mid-range shooter?
Try to at least pick a position and stick with it.
MG
I don’t have an argument. I am merely pointing out as Steve did that there are some questions about the guy’s shooting and whether he’d be a good fit here. Frankly, I think he’s a good player. I don’t think it’s a bad thing to try to figure out where he would fit in.
Yes, Telfair is a three point threat. I don’t think you’ve proven me wrong.
Sam can shoot the three and is an all star, is Sessons? No. Maybe in the future. Should we invest in him? That’s all I’m asking.
Isn’t there some way to calmly discuss this?
I'm calm
I didn’t say you had an argument either. I’m merely asking you to stick to a position.
And just proclaiming that Telfair is a 3 pt threat doesn’t make him so. If you’re trying to tell me that a guy who shoots 31% from 3 is a threat, then there’s no point discussing anything. You might as well sit there and tell me that the sky is red and grass is purple.
Good points - don't need the three from the PG with Glenn and Ray
What’s up with Glenn these days.
Im certainly glad
that Cassell wan’t worried about chucking up 3’s, as he was one of the best mid range shooters in the game. But he did shoot close to 40 % that year, meaning he was a threat.
You are right, statistics don’t always tell the whole story. But anyone who watched Sam I Am play knows that he was a more than capable three point shooter, and never someone you wanted to leave open from anywhere on the floor. Jason Kidd shot almost 5 threes a game for a good stretch in New Jersey, primarily because his mid range game was non- existent.
Sam, in his Clipper career
took 299 3pt attempts, draining 102 resulting in a 34% figure. Would you class that as a 3pt threat?
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Uh...no.
Would you? The guy made 102 threes in TWO seasons and that qualifies as a 3 pt threat?
102 threes…in 164 games.
And are you trying to say that 34% is a good percentage or something?
Go look up the 3 PT % last season:
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/statistics?stat=nba3ptpct&season=2009&seasontype=2
34% wouldn’t qualify in the top 100 players. 100! There are 450 roster spots in the league and a chunk of them are bigs. 34% is not a good 3 pt shooting percentage.
Ha Ha Ha
MG, I wasn’t saying it was a legit threat, I was asking the other fella if he thought that was a legit threat!
Of course 34% is not a 3pt shooting threat. I thought you knew me better!!!!
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Haha I thought I did!
But the formatting of the posts confused me b/c it was right below mine.
I was about to say “wow, does UK disagree with me on this?”
Yep, I replied to his but
it appeared below yours. Was balancing up the argument as johnnyoc21 had picked the much better season as his example so I think you should at minimum see his short Clipper career.
Great player Sam though. Would love to see how he’d run this team if he was Baron’s age.
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And as for Cassell
It’s not a knock at all on Sammy. I freaking loved Sammy and have his signed jersey at my place. He’s possibly my favorite Clipper ever for what he brought to this team.
But the facts are the facts, he wasn’t a three point threat during his time here. He was a midrange shooter.
I agree - if we can get Cassell back in his prime we should sign him
Is Sessions the deadly mid-range shooter that Cassell was? Is he anywhere near as good? Will he ever be?
Probably not.
Make up your mind
Do we need a 3 pt shooter or not? Your whole point was that we need a 3 pt shooter at the point for this team. Now you’re saying you’d be ok with Sam instead?
Which one is it? Do we need a 3 pt shooter at the point or not?
MG, the point is to discuss the issue, not necessarily to come to a decision
Sam is a former All Star caliber player.
I don't know enough
I readily admit that I simply don’t know enough about Sessions. I mean, how many times do I watch Milwaukee? Twice a season at most, and for some reason I don’t think I saw them that much last season. The game in Milwaukee was an embarrassing blow out with the Bucks doubling up the Clippers throughout the first half. I’m pretty sure I turned it off. And looking at the archives, I didn’t even write the recap for the Clippers-Bucks at Staples, so seems like I missed that one too, though I don’t remember why (where was I on Jan 17?) At any rate, I’m not actually certain I’ve ever seen Sessions play.
The answer to your question all depends on Sessions potential. Will he develop into a solid NBA point guard? Hes got good size, good athleticism, the ability to penetrate – and many players enter the NBA without three point range and develop it. But as one NBA beat writer said about Sessions as regards a 5 year MLE contract “That’s how you wind up with Jared Jeffries.” It’s far from certain that he’s worth the long term commitment, which is as you point out why he hasn’t signed an offer sheet yet.
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Agreed
But even if he develops into a good pg, that would be Andre Miller. Might. Is that the type of pg we want? If so, it’s limiting in some ways in my opinion. And Andre Miller is worth less than other good point guards who shoot the three ball for obvious reasons.
Sessions is not a good outside shooter. He might develop into a relatively good shooter but probably not someone who will ever shoot the three. You’ve got to get your three point shooters – two in the game at the same time – from somewhere else then. Generally you get them from the guard positions.
Nothing wrong with signing him. I just think that they need to go into this if they are going to commit alot of cash with their eyes wide open.
I'm a big Sessions fan
Saw him at least 5/6 times last year and he was impressive. It’s true but if you are after a PG with his handles, distribution, athleticism and then add a 3pt threat you’ve got yourself a top 5 PG in the NBA. And you don’t get that for the MLE!
As to whether he is a good long term fit here, I’m just not sure now. I’ve been thinking about it a lot in these boring off season days and at first when we looked like we were going after him I was excited, knowing what he can do and fancied him in a 3 guard rotation with EJ and Baron but I’m just not sure about having 3 starting quality guards in a rotation.
Maybe I’m in the minority but I like to have my starters and my rotation players. Whilst having everyone at a very high level is ideal, I feel that Telfair can do a good backup PG job and he knows that is probably where he fits in, in the NBA, as a backup PG. Baron is a starter and a top 5 NBA PG BEFORE he hit the Clippers. Now, if he can get back to that form (and I must say, the reports are very encouraging), then we’ve got our leader, star player and 3 point threat already tied up for the next 4 years.
So the way I see it, if Baron comes back good, we’ve got our starter and backup PG roles sorted. They know their roles and hopefully Telfair can raise his game up to put some pressure on Baron for minutes. That will be healthy competition but deep down, we know Baron will be the starter and I’m fine with that, it’s how it should be. He’s earned his dues.
EJ is obviously a massive part of our future and our lockdown SG, it goes without saying. He’s got the athleticism and stamina to play mid to late mins in the 30’s every game, sometimes more. We’ve now got Butler who can play both SG/SF also.
I’m just not sure how Sessions fits in. For me, it could cause more disruption amongst the locker room. Not in a bad character way but in a way where there are only so many minutes to go around.
I still think that we could do with playing Butler as starting SF though, Thornton coming off the bench as 6th man and then keeping Fred Jones as our backup SG but not sure if that happens.
For once though, I’m happy where we are and that’s the first time in years I’ve said that looking at a Clippers roster.
Someone else will get a bargain in Sessions but it’s not all about talent, it’s about the fit of players and this summer, the Clippers have actually addressed that, with good character guys in the right positions.
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by ClippersUK on Aug 14, 2009 1:10 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
I like this quote by steve (even if he's quoting someone else)
" But as one NBA beat writer said about Sessions as regards a 5 year MLE contract "That’s how you wind up with Jared Jeffries."
Not saying Sessionsis going to be the next Jared Jeffries, but it could happen. I’d still be willing to take my chances with the amount of money we have w/o going over the limit…
oh.. and please resign novak.
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I had Sessions on my fantasy squad...
…which gave me an excuse to watch the Bucks on League Pass, probably more than I should have since they were pretty terrible. That being said, Sessions really impressed me. His skills as a passer are incredible, and his court vision is insanely good. He can handle the ball well, plays under control, rarely turns the ball over, and can penetrate and score with the best of them. True, his one weakness is his three-point shot, put he actually has a decent mid-range game from about 18 feet in. Do we really want another point who jacks up ill-advised threes? Seems to me that if anything the Clippers need someone who’s looking to set other people up, rather than look for his own shot. With his skills at getting into the lane, and the shooters the Clips can throw out on the floor (Gordon, Novak, Butler, maybe Baron if he’s been sticking to his Jenny Craig diet), I see him as being a perfect fit. Best of all, he has experience playing for an offensively-challenged, over-demanding coach in Scott Skiles- a situation he clearly made the best of. (Scott Skiles’ offensive mind makes Dunleavy look like Mike D’Antoni. Yuck.)
By the way, I’ve been reading this blog for a long time, but haven’t felt inclined to post until now. It’s fantastic; keep up the good work Steve!
Hey Z-Bo's
Welcome to posting mate. That’s exactly why I watched Sessions last year. Fantasy and watched on International League Pass. Couldn’t watch too many times as those Bucks were a piss poor team weren’t they!
I know why you like Sessions but how does he fit is my area of worry. Baron is the starter so unless you trade him, Sessions isn’t going to start so you aren’t likely to have him on the floor with Baron and EJ at the same time.
Telfair can be the distributor and creator that we need off the bench, I feel. He’s a decent player at a young age still who can learn a lot if Baron comes back in his previous form (pre Clippers).
You are right, he had a tough year under Skiles last year, often playing behind the stinking Ridnour. It may be that when he gets to start and run a team, he’ll show the league his capabilities. However, I think Baron deserves another chance here so I just don’t see the fit unless you move Telfair but then I’m just not sure about the balance of our guards. Just my way of seeing it I suppose.
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Yeah, minutes
Are definitely a concern. Any scenario where Sessions would be added to the roster would have to involve Telfair being traded. Bassy may or may not be a starting caliber pg, but he’s definitely too skilled to be a third-string guy. I’m actually totally fine with him being Baron’s backup.
But if they do manage to trade Telfair, Sessions is definitely an upgrade, and he could also backup Gordon at the two (he played a lot alongside Ridnour last year too). I think he’d still be in line for at least 30 minutes a game. Plus, and I apologize if I jinx anything, Baron’s hardly proved to be durable throughout his career, so if /when he misses his usual 10+ games next year, we would have a guard to take his place who could run the team very well. And, if he excels, we would have a tantalizing piece of trade bait in Baron.
To me, adding Sessions would just be icing on the cake. The Clippers have had an astonishingly solid summer filled with smart, practical moves that address many intangible needs. As I said, I’m fine with their roster right now, so if this is what the squad looks like on opening day I’m juiced. I just think if they get Ramon it could be the move to put them over the proverbial hump in a tough Western Conference.
by Z-Bo's Revenge on Aug 14, 2009 3:04 PM PDT up reply actions
It's real nice to see
Clippers fans in such a positive mood and happy with how Dunleavy and the rest of the front office has made their moves this summer. It’s amazing how a lucky dip in that lottery can start to change around the whole feeling of a franchise.
Can you imagine how we’d be if we’d got the 5th or 6th pick (I think that was as low as we could go).
I totally see where you are coming from with your points though. Getting Sessions wouldn’t be the worst thing in the world, is great value at the price and a very good player. I’d just like to see how things go from here though.
I hope Dunleavy doesn’t screw up coaching this team (another topic I’m sure will be raised nearer the season start!)
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5th or 6th?
It’s really hard to imagine that. We’d be all about the Ricky Rubio situation as it turns out. If we drafted him, he would have probably had more incentive to play this year, but for me, too many memories of Livingston.
LOL
stop recommending yoursef Jax.
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telfair and rasual means no need for sessions
i was on board the sessions war wagon when it was him or iverson to plug the combo guard need.
but, since the clips now have nice pieces to cover the 1 thru 5, i think they should stand pat and not spend any more money on long term deals unless a top tier player falls in their laps at the deadline. plus telfair is a tiny, quick pg, which is a change of pace on offense and gives us flexibility to cover small scoring pgs on defense. this should not be overlooked, in this matter telfair > sessions.
they have ‘forrest gumped’ their way to an ideal salary structure this off season, each piece fitting nicely into being able to lure a top tier player next year, while making them ultra competetive this year.
of course, they will probably need to keep a third pg close, given there are only two natural pgs on the squad.
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I don't mind sessions if
management understands that they will need more shooters in the future at the SG/SF spot. Thornton ain’t gonna cut it IMO with Sessions at the helm.
Don't you think that's the plan?
I feel like it’s pretty clear that Thornton isn’t their long term solution as a starter at the 3.
I say it's too early to tell.
I always say this, so why not again? Give Thornton another chance. I dont remember anybody else complaining during his rookie season. I’m sure Thornton can man up.
Aside from that, Clipchistic makes a good point. Telfair and Sessions could possibly b playing the same type of game. Did I mention (from what I heard) that Telfair does very well on the fast break? So possibly, if we run the running game as Dunleavy proclaims, we have a very decent running squad. Baron/ Telfair are both easily fast pace guards. Gordon seem to be able to tranition into both. I would say Thorton (Butler is alright also) seems better in the open floor. Not saying we shouldnt try on Sessions, but if Sessions isn’t a Clipper, I wouldn’t sweat it.
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I'm with Jax
I’m very lukewarm on Sessions. Too much of a gamble.
Do not worry. (Matthew 6:27)
Perhaps not a gamble
per se, but I think a lot of people are skeptical of just how good this guy is. He was behind Ridnour on the depth chart in Milwaukee, and has underwhelming numbers. He’s going to be playing limited minutes as long as Baron is in town, meaning that he really might not be worth what is being discussed on this board. Not a huge gamble necessarily, but perhaps unnecessary.
I think the only value in signing sessions is that if he can produce in limited minutes, he could be a valuable trade asset, but otherwise I could really care less if we sign him. In fact, I agree with hans007 point, I dont want to give anyone a 5 year deal to play backup pg for what will probably 13-15 mins a night, tops.
There wasn't really a reason why he was behind Ridnour
Other than Skiles perhaps liking veterans a little too much.
His numbers are definitely NOT underwhelming. His starter splits: 15 pts, 7.6 asts, 4.2 rebs in 39 games. According to PER he was the 13th best PG last year as essentially a rookie (if this were the MLB he would have been considered a rookie…getting called up for 17 games in 07-08 barely counts as experience). In fact, his 08-09 PER is better than Deron Williams’ rookie or sophomore year PERs. If not for his circumstances (Milwaukee sucks, Skiles stupidly didn’t play him, he was in the D-League at one point, money’s tight in the NBA right now), people would be going nuts over this guy right now. Consider Gilbert Arenas, who put up similar per-game numbers his 2nd year. Washington then paid him $65 million over 6 years, at a time when the cap was under $44 million! Today the equivalent (in relation to the cap) would be over $14 million a year. Looked at in that light, I’d say the midlevel (under 6 million per) is great value for Sessions.
I think, given the 7+ games Davis will miss due to injury, Sessions will likely outperform him this year. But if we sign Sessions, there’s obviously no way he starts.
I know a lot of people on here like Baron, but if we can get Sessions for just the midlevel, I’d say do it, and trade BD in a salary dump.
Come on, it is a gamble given BD
And when you consider that while he might have a great PER, his upside is perhaps a bit more limited because of his shooting ability. He is a good player, but if you are intending that he be your starting pg, you must build the rest of your team around him. It’s easier to build a team around a pg who can shoot the three, unless you have a very dominant wing like Lebron, Melo, etc., which we do not have.
Why is it necessary to build teams around the starting PG?
When’s the last time a championship team built around its PG? 2004? Before that, 1990?
I think I incorrectly stated my point - sorry
When your pg doesn’t shoot threes, you have to get other players who do to create spacing. Ideally, your guards can shoot the three ball. When one can’t you have to get an SF who does. So building the team in that sense.
I don't think shooting 3s is as essential as you make it out to be
Sure it helps, but so do other skills like defense and play-making.
Sessions makes plays: he penetrates, gets to the line, sets up teammates (and not like Brevin “I vow to never commit a turnover” Knight). Sure, someone like Steve Blake can shoot, but he can’t defend and he hardly ever makes plays. Sure, he prevents people from doubling Brandon Roy a little bit, but other than that he doesn’t offer a whole lot. I guarantee Andre Miller helps the Blazers out a lot more this year than Blake did last year.
I think we get bogged down too much on what players can’t do, and don’t really think about what they can do. Like someone else said earlier, if he could shoot, he’d be a top-5 PG and wouldn’t be so cheap.
As for having shooters, I would rather have my SF be a capable shooter than my PG anyway, since it’s the PG who should be setting up the SF.
Good points
But remember the ball is going to go inside out – or it should – particularly if Griffin progresses as we hope. Griffin can pass and be a good playmaker. With someone like him, hopefully commanding double and possibly triple teams, the court just opens up.
“Griffin passes it back out to Sessions and – nothing.” That’s the potential issue I see.
With Sessions IMO you’d have to lessen Thornton’s time in favor of someone like Butler. Do you want to do that?
Having said that, BD seems to be excited by playing with Sessions – See Another Son’s fanshot.
Tim Duncan is one of the greatest low-post players of all time...
…and Tony Parker is a career 31% 3pt shooter. They won 3 titles together (and counting, maybe).
Haha don’t ask me about Thornton. I’ve been bashing him all summer (if not on here, then in my head).
Sessions I think could be the 3rd best player on a championship team. Yeah, he can’t shoot (yet), but remember he’s basically entering his 2nd year in the league. I mean, look at the PGs in the NBA. How many are 1) better than Sessions and 2) available? I haven’t looked, but I’m guessing few, if not none.
Let me put this a different way
Let’s say we put together a starting lineup of Tony Parker (career 31% 3s), Dwyane Wade (29%), Carmelo Anthony (31%….he’s been better lately but if you want we can use the ‘05-’06 version), Tim Duncan, and Dwight Howard. There’s no way that team doesn’t win the championship, right? And none of them can shoot 3s well.
It’s like the draft. If you can get Ramon Sessions, who will likely be a top-10 PG, for the mid-level, you do it. Worry about fit later (actually it’d be much easier to find a player who “fits” given the extra money you’d have by not overspending)
I'm not sure how we are comparing Spurs and Clippers..
in other words Greg Popovich and Mike Dunleavy….
Comparing the lineups, Bruce Bowen’s 3’s could actually be making a bigger difference (and his defense) than most people think. Oh yeah, MIchael Finley and Manu also can shoot three.
Mike Smith on Eric Gordon: "The Clippers may have found their go to scorer."
On a second note, I want Novak back!
You know who else can make the corner 3?
Rasual Butler. Start him over Thornton.
Your right.
Butler can hit the 3. But Bowen can probably play better D.. even if it is dirty. Not saying Butler can’t play D, as I havent payed attention to him on D, but Bowen is known as one of the top defenders in te league. Anyways, I would also like to add that San Antonio had Manu as their sixth man, Brent Barry can shoot, Michael Finley isn’t bad either, and a veteran (and lucky if you ask me) Robert Horry. It’s tough comparing San Antonio with Clippers because another difference could possibly even bethe chemistry and veterans. Tim Duncan, Manu, Bowen, Tony Parker, were all together for quite some time, not just 2 season as our roster seems to be. You can also add in Nazar Muhammed and Glen Robinson.
I’m not sure if Greg Pop. would make a huge difference as compared to Mike Dunleavy as they both seem to run the same boring offense. But so far it seems that Greg is the clearer winner since he’s won more games.. and championships. Even without Magic on his side.
Mike Smith on Eric Gordon: "The Clippers may have found their go to scorer."
On a second note, I want Novak back!
My point is that
Good players who can’t shoot are better than bad players who can. And at the midlevel, I think you’re (the proverbial ‘you’, that is) getting a great deal on a good player in Sessions.
+ Finley, Barry, and Horry.
Mike Smith on Eric Gordon: "The Clippers may have found their go to scorer."
On a second note, I want Novak back!
I don't get Andre Miller to the Blazers
In my opinion, they would be better off with Blake. Brandon has the ball in his hands alot of the time and is a playmaker. What are they going to do with Andre ? Have dinner?
Roy has to handle the ball in every late game situation
Over an 82 game schedule, it wears you out. And he already has knee problems.
Andre Miller puts pressure on the defense w/ his ability to penetrate and either finish at the rim or pass it to the open man. Blake isn’t as good at any of those 3 things. Yes, his shooting helps, but there are better ways to run an offense than by giving it to Roy and standing in the corner.
I think he's pretty good
And could be really good some day. Difficult to walk away from a good player who could be had fairly cheap. But his game raises some issues that makes me at least think about the long term prospects for the team and his affect on them.
I've actually been thinking a bit about the subject
Steve, you do a very good job here, but you obviously devote a substantial amount of time to it.
What are the goals of a blog? To discuss interesting subjects, to create an environment where lots of people want to post? To make money? All three?
I was talking to someone the other day, and he was telling me that he knows someone who runs a blog for a living and makes $500,000 / year sitting at home all day. Amazing.
I don't know. He said
that the blog was very popular, though. I will find out.
What are the highest-traffic blogs? Daily Kos I’ve heard is popular. That blog is very detailed and extensive, and I would imagine that they have several employees involved.
Huffingtonpost.com is huge
I think you should start hiring employees now, in anticipation of your blog’s great success
I predict that in 2 years
Twitter will die down just like Myspace.
I am surprised that Myspace hasn’t completely died down yet.
Oh btw, sorry for the off related issue. LOL. Too busy reading about “blog.”
Mike Smith on Eric Gordon: "The Clippers may have found their go to scorer."
On a second note, I want Novak back!
I know someone who contributes to the HP...
I don’t think he makes anything from it. He’s just a dedicated opinionist who loves to rant against the Fox News types. Actually, I wonder if someone like Michelle Malkin makes money… I believe her blog is her primary vehicle and she’s the only contributor. She might be a good Jaxian model… a provocateur and a bit of a bomb-thrower… she also seems to have made a deal with the devil… but so what, it’s all about eyeballs, right?
There are alot of political blogs that people read
And that take alot of time to work on. You don’t have to be a flamethrower. TPM Muckraker for example.
Would you sign?
This player?
http://www.nba.com/playerfile/john_stockton/index.html
Numbers aren’t that off
http://www.nba.com/playerfile/ramon_sessions/career_stats.html
therefore...
sessions is the next john stockton.
hehehe
whats Milwaukee thinking?
if you’re right, Milwaukee will have decided to keep luke ridnour instead of john stockton.
its definitely has a historical setup… three point guards walk into a bar…
Clippers Basketball.... It's Masochistic!
by Clipochistic on Aug 15, 2009 9:52 AM PDT up reply actions
Not sayin that
But 5 million doesn’t seem as bad
I dunno what type of guy he is though so if he doesn’t like improving I say no
He’s got potential though
no doubt about it
Clippers Basketball.... It's Masochistic!
by Clipochistic on Aug 15, 2009 10:53 AM PDT up reply actions
That's what I've been trying to say this entire time
…albeit in way more words. This guy already put up amazing numbers for a rookie (I don’t count 17 games in 07-08 as his rookie year). If we didn’t already have Baron, we’d have thrown the midlevel in his face at the beginning of the offseason.
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