Ramon Sessions - Scene 3, Take 57
by Steve Perrin on Aug 25, 2009 10:07 PM PDT
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PrintA hat tip to citizen Paper Clip, who linked Alan Hahn's latest blog post in the Fanshots a couple of hours ago.
As has frequently been the case for weeks now, the most significant part of this latest missive is the admission that no one really knows much, and those things that we said we knew before, well, turns out those things were wrong.
However, as it happens, the current info from Hahn at least makes some amount of logical sense, which is a decided improvement.
Contrary to what he said yesterday when he stated that there was a standing offer from the Knicks to Sessions for $4M next season, with a second season at a lower rate, Hahn has now been told by his sources that in fact there is no offer on the table. So as opposed to a waiting game where Sessions is trying to see if he gets a better offer, instead we have a waiting game where he is looking for an offer of any kind. Moreover, the reality in New York is that given their overriding desire to clear significant cap space for 2010 (and bearing in mind that as an RFA Sessions can't sign an offer sheet for less than two seasons), there will be no offer to Sessions unless they can move another 2010 contract first. Given that the 2010 contracts they want to move belong to Jared Jeffries (owed $13.3M this season and next) and Eddy Curry (owed a whopping $21.8M), it all seems basically impossible.
And like I said, it actually finally makes some sense. The Knicks worked very hard to make their 2010 cap space a reality, against long odds. They moved Zach Randolph, they moved Jamal Crawford, hell, they even moved Jerome James which must have required a fork lift at least. Were they really going to put that plan in jeopardy for the likes of Ramon Sessions? I mean, he's a nice enough player, but you don't move mountains (almost literally in the cases of Randolph and James) to clear all that 2010 cap space only to chew up $4M of it on a guy who, let's face it, is still a pretty big question mark.
So what's next? What is Sessions waiting for, if a Knicks offer is such a remote possibility?
Here's what I think (and again, it finally makes a little sense). As I've mentioned, I don't think the Bucks really want Sessions, but at the qualifying offer of about $1M next season he would seem to be a great bargain. So while Sessions and his people would love for the Bucks to rescind the QO (making him an unrestricted free agent and allowing him to sign a one year deal in New York, which the Knicks would gladly do), it's looking like that's not going to happen. We feel like this has been going on forever, but let's face it, there's still over a month before training camps open. Sessions is merely waiting to see if one of two things happens - if the Knicks can move a contract, or if the Bucks rescind the QO. Niether is likely, but he clearly wants to play in NY (which makes sense), so he's going to wait it out.
If nothing else has happened by the end of September, I'm guessing he'll sign an offer sheet with the Clippers. But he won't be the starter in LA, and he won't necessarily get all of the backup minutes with Telfair in town, so you can see why it's not his first choice.
At any rate, I think we have a while to wait yet. Sessions is waiting for a minor miracle. And the Clippers are just waiting.
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Ramon Sessions
is becoming like Brett Favre around here. No more talks about Session unless he’s signed PLEASE!
"This kid is the best new talent in the league right now, and I don't care who else you mention." -Suns Coach, Alvin Gentry, on Clippers rookie sensation, Eric Gordon.
Yeah
but aren’t you a bit tired of 3 months of “Sessions on the verge of signing in _________” At some point you just wish for the guy to sign. I agree with cliptakular, Sessions news sure is a bit excessive.
Mike Smith on Eric Gordon: "The Clippers may have found their go to scorer."
On a second note, I want Novak back!
Definitely want him to sign somewhere
But requesting that there be “no more talk” about Sessions? That’s kinda silly. This board would have nothing at all to talk about.
better then nothing
well to say the least, we could always have no sessions talk on here and then what would we have? A lot of empty space, i would surmise. it’s to to have something to talk about, something to pass the ‘clipper time’. thanks for the input steve, it will always rekindle those red, blue and white embers. btw, i had no idea jeffries contract was so monstrous. that contract has to be one of the hardest to move in last 20 years. its one thing when people say your contract is immovable and it gets moved 3 times, it completely another when they say its immovable and that player has yet to put in a change of address with the united states post office.
by Takebb909 on Aug 25, 2009 11:15 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
yeah
I was half bored half intrigued that I looked at Jeffries´ stats. Ludicrous. How in the world did he got a contract in the first place? who knows, maybe there was some shady arrangement between parts. No possible explanation from a basketball standpoint.
Am I the only Clipper Fan in South America?
by edu_argentina on Aug 26, 2009 7:14 AM PDT up reply actions
The best explanation could be,
like in the case of most overpaid players, because of his unmet “potential”.
"This kid is the best new talent in the league right now, and I don't care who else you mention." -Suns Coach, Alvin Gentry, on Clippers rookie sensation, Eric Gordon.
ny in the mix
jeffries is a indiana boy. so was isiah thomas. it made sense to me then. but it never made sense. he was helpful to a washington wizards team that was boiling over with aggressive scorers. so he got to be the complete mope he is on a successful team. but when you put his incompetence on a team that is in the worst doldrums of it’s long history and you can easily see the tunnel at the end of the light.
the stats don’t even begin to display how awful this character is though. not even slightly. i could lambaste jared girafferies forever. all you have to do is ask.
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Good contrast
Jeffries appears very much to be what we like to call “untradeable.” It’s funny to look at all of the Zbo despair and hand-wringing in retrospect. Zbo might not be a guy who takes teams to the playoffs, and he presents all sorts of issues, but it has always been clear that you can’t say he’s not productive. Zbo puts up numbers. He gets paid too much money, but it wasn’t impossible to find a place for him to fit—it turned out to be Memphis. Jeffries, on the other hand, gets paid way too much money AND doesn’t produce. Pretty amazing. So perhaps that’s what “untradeable” really looks like.
by citizen zhiv on Aug 26, 2009 10:41 AM PDT up reply actions
I thought untradeable looked like Eddy Curry at this point...
Mike Smith on Eric Gordon: "The Clippers may have found their go to scorer."
On a second note, I want Novak back!
nah
Eddie Curry is definately tradable. Jeffries is near impossible with no exaggeration, at least until its last year. Curry is still young, big and trying. i heard hea lost a lot of weight. Doesnt mean is 20+ million contract is accurate, but its still tradable. he is a massive mound, that alone as a freak show will sell tickets. Jeffries!?!?!? are you serious. Joe Smith and Juwan Howard produced something.
curry missed a year
and had so many disturbing troubles that he deserves a free pass. he can still put up 20 a game in this league. and that’s nothing to sneeze at. he should be on more of a corey maggette-esque deal.
nevertheless curry is more moveable than jeffries.
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Here's the thing
Why is it that Eddy Curries (22 some Mil contract) seems tradeable, but a more productive player in Randolph who made around 15 Mil or so seemed untradeable?
Mike Smith on Eric Gordon: "The Clippers may have found their go to scorer."
On a second note, I want Novak back!
Don't give me the defense
because Eddy Curry defintiley isn’t too good at it either.
Mike Smith on Eric Gordon: "The Clippers may have found their go to scorer."
On a second note, I want Novak back!
Eddy Curry can't rebound
Whereas Randolph is one of the better rebounders in the league.
That's fine if you read my comment again
I took away the Y and put IES on Curry’s last name. LOL.
Mike Smith on Eric Gordon: "The Clippers may have found their go to scorer."
On a second note, I want Novak back!
That's well done
Now I feel like eating curry. hmm…
Nice
you ever try thai curry? It has a bit of coconut flavoring in it and it tastes really good.
Mike Smith on Eric Gordon: "The Clippers may have found their go to scorer."
On a second note, I want Novak back!
He's a defensive specialist
That’s why his stats suck. Sure he’s overpaid, but if you’re going to compare his stats to someone, compare them to other defensive specialists in the league.
defensive specialist
who loses his man everytime there is a back door play. being defensive specialist is the biggest pile of crap i’ve ever heard.
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fair enough
that’s about as far as I was willing to go to defend Jared Jeffries anyway
though, hey, he did help me get 2nd in a fantasy league (it was a pretty deep league and my team was decimated by injuries, but still)
i watched damn near every knick game this past year
and jeffries missed his assignment more than anyone. looked lost on defense all the time. sure he gave chris paul fits. but that doesn’t really mean much in the scheme of things.
it’s like when you play with the herky jerky guy who might fall into you elbows first. everyone knows he sucks, and even teammates are concerned that he is going to trip on his shoelaces and knock someone’s teeth out. the guy is supremely garbage.
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hahhaa..."NOT BLOODY LIKELY!
Roger Sterling: I bet there were people in the Bible walking around, complaining about "kids today."
Don Draper: Kids today, they have no one to look up to. Cuz they're looking up to us.
This actually helps a lot
We don’t have to worry about any more Sessions tidbits until late September or until the Knicks sign him.
Sure, Why not...
He is on par with Sessions, and he brings excitement to the court. You can market Nate, you really can’t market Sessions. Nate could come off the bench also.
If you are going to S&T for Sessions which will cost you the exception, a player and higher salary year over year, Nate seems a comparable option which is available for a cheaper price without giving up somebody.
Huh?
In what world is he “on par” with Sessions? A pure PG with great efficiency vs. a super undersized shot jacker whose best ability is dunking?
And neither the Clips nor the Knicks are offering the full MLE. And if they were, a S&T wouldn’t be necessary at all. So I think you might be a bit fuzzy on the details of what’s going on here.
Plus, I don’t see how Nate is “available for a cheaper price” when you’re suggesting offering him the full MLE. Sessions isn’t signing for more than that (and again, isn’t even being offered the full MLE.). So really you’re suggesting that they offer more money to an inferior player.
Huh..
Then why sign and trade at all. That makes no sense unless he is making the MLE.
by sqrebck on Aug 26, 2009 12:20 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Don't get madglove started on Sessions
I think he undervalues Nate. Check out his stats. Not suggesting the MLE.
Sessions vs Robinson
Intangibles – One is 5’9 and has no chance in hell of guarding anyone, though hey, he is a character and can dunk. Sessions is two years younger and has two years less experience meaning he is the only one of the two with possible upside left.
John R's opinion is funny
Nate’s stats last year were great. In 27 mpg, he outscores Sessions, hit far more threes (not even close), got assists, etc. He’s a top 10 pg PER or close to it. And even though he’s small, he’s strong.
I didn’t say we should sign the guy long term. But he needn’t have more upside than Sessions to have some value off the bench.
John R’s opinion just seems to be a personal opinion having no basis whatsoever in fact. It certainly isn’t reflected in the statistics.
Is your argument
that he has value as a bench player or that he’s better than Sessions?
I don’t think anyone is saying he has no value. So why even interject yourself into this convo?
Sorry - I thought it was a blog
My mistake apparently.
I just pointed out that Nate wouldn’t be a horrible one year bench signing if we can’t get Sessions. In some ways he is indeed better than Sessions. Not as a pure pg though.
You can't sign Robinson for 1 year
He’s a restricted free agent.
If we sign Sessions then we'll likely trade Davis at some point in the next couple years
So he’d only temporarily come off the bench.
As for the stats, you need to look at the context. Sessions’ role and minutes were yanked around by Skiles based on other people’s injuries. Also, Skiles is a defensive minded coach, while D’antoni is famous for inflating players’ stats in his 7-seconds-or-less system.
I wouldn't say that
If Baron plays like Baron of last season then yeah he will be moved in a couple years most likely. But if he does get better and plays more like Boomdizzle then I don’t see him being traded.
In Gordon we trust
Even if he plays well
he’ll be 32 going on 33 two years from now. how many PGs with a history of injury problems have done well at that age? The list is basically Jason Kidd. That would be the perfect time to trade him, while his value was still high
I might have to say that
Baron’s value is probably at an all time low right now…
Mike Smith on Eric Gordon: "The Clippers may have found their go to scorer."
On a second note, I want Novak back!
To also throw in some random intresting facts,
a Baron Davis signed basketball with cert. of authen. from GSW went for about 10 bucks on Ebay last time I was snooping around.
Mike Smith on Eric Gordon: "The Clippers may have found their go to scorer."
On a second note, I want Novak back!
Talk about reading something that isn't there
I didn’t give an opinion. I just linked you the stats.
Obsess much?
I think you are confused.
Let me help you . These are your opinions:
“One . . . has no chance in hell of guarding anyone”
“Sessions . . . is the only one of the two with possible upside left.”
can't wait for some GM
to get SO fed up with all this Sessions talks and says “hey NY ill take Jefferies and u can have this Patrick Ewing Poster. now sign Sessions and shush!”
Ralph Lawler
says on facebook
Racine, WI. newspaper reports Clippers and Bucks have been in serious negotiations about sign and trade for Ramon Sessions.
now that
ricky rubio has signed with barcelona for at least the next 2yrs. you think minnesota might want telfair back?
Sign and trade
So coming from the perspective of someone who doesn’t value draft picks (yes, yes first overalls are exempt from this…mostly)
If you want Sessions, and you think your team is going to be good which means your pick is going to be in the middle of the pack, why don’t you give up your own pick to make a sign and trade happen? Are you likely to get a better player than Sessions with the 16th overall? Even if you just miss the playoffs and have a 1% chance of this Wall kid or whatever, do you really hold out the 1% for a near-sure-fire prospect? Or get the PG you want and you see as freedom if Baron decides to become shackles instead of wings?
Why trade?
It makes no sense to trade for Sessions, especially giving up a pick, when the Bucks clearly aren’t matching any offers. So why give up an asset for no reason?
At this point, the battle is just getting Sessions to want to sign an offer sheet with the Clips. And that being the case, a trade for our pick wouldn’t even work because we only have like $3.5 mil of the TPE left. Sessions isn’t signing for that. And if he is, just sign him outright for that amount using the MLE.
Why trade the pick?
A short rebuttal
"when the Bucks clearly aren’t matching any offers. "
Speculation.
“the battle is just getting Sessions to want to sign an offer sheet with the Clips.”
How is that battle going? He hasn’t signed yet for some reason.
“a trade for our pick wouldn’t even work because we only have like $3.5 mil of the TPE left.”
Bird rights. He could take 2 guaranteed years at 8-10M total from NYK or 4 guaranteed years for 16M (catastrophic failure insurance) with player options after the second and third years. More guaranteed money and a player option to grab his Bird rights as soon as they are available. If he leaves the Bucks on an offer sheet (especially a two year one) its a Bird reset NOW and potentially ANOTHER ONE in two years.
This combination may entice a player to participate in a S&T when they wouldn’t just sign an offer sheet. If I’m Sessions and I’m not getting the money I want, I’m not just haggling over 1M here or there. I’m threatening to accept the QO, keep my Bird clock going, sit down and screw everyone.
Sessions has the leverage here. He is the party to please. Not the Bucks. The pick is merely to entice the Bucks to give Sessions what he wants.
Short? haha
First of all, your “speculation” response is really irrelevant. This is ALL speculation. So I’m going to refrain from the appropriate response of “duh.”
As for the “battle” comment, you asked me how there’s a battle going, and agreed that Sessions is the party to please. That was my point, that the real battle is getting Sessions to sign with us.
As for the rest, can you clarify a few things? Are you saying that Sessions would agree to a trade that gives him a salary starting at $3.2 or whatever’s left of the TPE? Because my whole point is that I don’t think he will. Maybe he will if he wants to grab his Bird rights asap like you’re suggesting, but my guess is that a 2nd round pick that made relatively little money wants to get as much as he can guaranteed.
And just to clarify, you can’t have player options in the 2nd and 3rd years of a contract. Player options are only available once in a contract.
Plus, Sessions’ leverage here is tenuous. He doesn’t “screw everyone” by taking the QO. Neither the Clips or the Knicks are desperate for him. If they were, he’d have a full MLE offer on the table by now. The Bucks don’t want him but probably wouldn’t mind him for one more year at such a cheap salary. And again, a guy like Sessions isn’t likely to pass up guaranteed money for a QO. He could suffer a career ending injury in training camp. A guy like him, who hasn’t been set for life yet, takes as much guaranteed money as possible.
Well
First of all, your "speculation" response is really irrelevant.
Disagree. Yes EVERYTHING is speculation, but that one point is central to the idea of not needing a sign and trade. By looking at the S&T option, the team would be empowering itself. Making an offer sheet is rolling the dice. I mean if the Bucks WERE likely to match, wouldn’t they play it the other way? If the Clippers were scared they would match, the offer has to go up to dissuade them, meaning they have to match a bigger offer.
Are you saying that Sessions would agree to a trade that gives him a salary starting at $3.2 or whatever’s left of the TPE? Because my whole point is that I don’t think he will. …. And again, a guy like Sessions isn’t likely to pass up guaranteed money for a QO.
Its when these are tied together that my point lives. Even though he may start at less with the Clippers, he can get bigger raises and potentially more years through S&T. The difference between starting at 3.5 vs 4 quickly shrinks. (Why did you drop down from 3.5 to 3.2? Cheater)
And just to clarify, you can’t have player options in the 2nd and 3rd years of a contract. Player options are only available once in a contract.
I actually assume this is true, but I see many contracts reported this way. At any rate, the same is achieved with a three year contract with an option year. He can get his Bird rights faster and get more guaranteed money.
There are at least two NBA teams interested in giving Sessions a nice NBA contract. He shouldn’t play this conservative or afraid.
Not trying to cheat
I just wanted to clarify the number we have under the TPE. Why so unnecessarily sensitive? You’re acting like I can create the number we have under the TPE. It’s not arbitrary. There’s an actual number we have left, I’m just not sure what it is. Hence the “whatever’s left” comment.
As for the “speculation” statement, my point is that it doesn’t matter that it’s speculation. Exactly like you said, you roll the dice. But most indicators point to them not matching. So it’s an unnecessary risk (risking the pick) to do a trade. Now of course if Sessions won’t sign here unless there’s a sign and trade, I do it. But if you’re suggesting a sign and trade for fear the Bucks will match, there’s no point in losing an asset for something that seems quite unlikely. It’s a worthwhile risk. So again, just saying “speculation” doesn’t mean anything. You’re not debating with Jax here.
To your point that Sessions may be willing to give up a larger salary to maintain his Bird rights, I can see that. And like I said, if we’re talking about top 15 protected, I do the trade. We need something to make our offer more desirable than NYK’s potential offer.
Who's even debating?
Or sensitive? It was a joke…
At any rate. If you want something, go get it. My analysis is they can go get it now, for a cost you find agreeable. You are concerned it isn’t necessary to pay that cost. I disagree given that Sessions isn’t a Clipper or Knick yet and there are reports that continue to confound our fearless leader about sign and trade negotiations.
Aren’t the exact protections of a first round pick the most likely thing for the teams to be haggling over? What else would the Bucks want to talk about?
I’d go top 7 protected this year slipping to an unprotected option to swap once in either of the subsequent two years.
Then, when the Clippers are in the playoff chase, they retain their MLE to outbid on one or more of the playoff helpers that always seem to appear late in the season.
That's where I disagree
I wouldn’t ever trade an unprotected pick if I’m the Clips. History is WAY too much in favor of that pick being in the lottery.
I know you started this by saying you don’t put much value in first round picks, and that’s fine if that’s your position. Me personally, I like Sessions a lot, but trading lottery picks kill teams and that’s why only idiotic franchises like Minnesota and NY do it.
Agreed - particularly teams like the Clippers
Who cannot get free agents to sign.
I remember John R tried to refute that one last year by referencing the J Williams signing.
Huh
Or Baron Davis.
You try to get snark in here with this?
Epic fail.
In fact, my actual position has been stated many times: that the Clippers DON’T excel at getting players to sign and should TRADE for them. Such as aggressively pursuing a sign and TRADE here.
A classic Jax fail comment trying to misrepresent my position.
But let’s continue to explore the fail. Jax hates Dunleavy. That’s a given. And I’m sure I can find 20 comments he has made dissing Dunleavy’s performance as a drafter. So now he is saying he wants Dunleavy making draft picks? It doesn’t make sense for him to contradict himself so, except to troll and get at me.
Which is clearly unprovoked here.
How doth Jax fail, let me count the ways…
Wow
We certainly can confirm that John R doesn’t heart me.
One major reason why the Clippers can’t sign anyone is the GM/Coach. At least you’ve admitted that there’s an issue there.
Admitting the truth is the first step . . .
But yes, we should aggressive pursue S&Ts when available. The problem is that we’re always dealing with issues other teams just don’t have. That’s why we can’t just simply offer more money and get the free agents. That gets very old after a while. At least to those of us who want change.
Dunleavy
I don’t like him as a coach but he’s been able to make some pretty good moves. We’ve gotten cheap players, drafted pretty well (sans Korolev) and we’ve actually signed some FAs the past few years (Mobley and Baron were big signings by our standards).
I think its stupid to throw away assets like 1st round picks. Even if you don’t value them that doesn’t mean other teams don’t value. The free market is all about buying low and selling high and 1st round picks are valuable assets.
Sessions would be a luxury on our team right now, if we can get him for a reasonable deal then great, if not it doesn’t effect us too much as he’s not better than our starting PG and only slightly better than our current backup PG.
FA in 2010.
by ClipperChuck on Aug 26, 2009 3:47 PM PDT up reply actions
Point being
He would be our backup, in the 10-15 mpg he would play is he really that much better than Telfair? I agree he’s an upgrade but he’s more of a luxury than a necessity for us. I really don’t see why we moved Q for Telfair though, they must like Craig Smith.
FA in 2010.
by ClipperChuck on Aug 26, 2009 11:17 PM PDT up reply actions
Well, if they didn't trade for Telfair and Sessions signed with NY
Then who would be the backup PG? After last season, I can see why the Clips would err on the side of having too many PG’s. And I’m happy we picked up the Rhino, too. We got great value from the Q trade.
nice explanation
john r. so the s&t is for sessions benefit. much like artest is upset at houston for not working a s&t with the lakers.
The S&T is for Sessions' benefit
I think its correct that the Clippers don’t have any player assets the Bucks would want. Of course you have to think the Bucks would take the TPE and a pick basically for free. The cost evaluation is: is Sessions worth a middle first round pick?
That is the question for the Sessions fans.
Sessions is going to hold this up so long as he thinks he has a chance with the Knicks
True odds on the Knicks moving Jeffries?
Career PER under 10
13M left on the contract over the next two seasons.
But anything is possible. The Knicks will just have to give up something else of actual value. There’s no value in Jared Jeffries at this time.
Pretend you are a GM and find something here you want bad enough to take on Jeffries’ contract and return expiring and small contracts. The Knicks already being in the business of expirings would hurt them here. Normally you might take Jeffries’ bad contract if you could get some good ones, but the Knicks can’t give those up or it defeats the purpose.
Do they want Sessions bad enough to facilitate a Lee deal? Nate? If the other team wants Nate why wouldn’t they just join the Sessions sweepstakes themselves?
Pre-requisites for a Jefferies/Curry trade
1. Team will not be participating in 2010 free agent bonanza because they’re already over the cap.
2. Team has expiring contracts
3. Team is just above the luxury tax threshold.
The only reason I can see a team trading for either player is to sneak under the luxury tax, by way of off-loading a more expensive player. Now, the Knicks can accept an $8.5M contract for Jefferies, a $13M for Curry, and $21.5M for both players.
Excluding teams certain to pay the luxury tax(Lakers, Dallas, etc.), there are only 2 teams in the league that can sneak under the luxury tax: Denver and New Orleans.
However, Denver does not have any expiring contracts close to the salaries of Jefferies or Curry.
New Orleans could offer a packagke of Antonio Daniels, Julian Wright, and Devin Brown for Jefferies, and save themselves around $2M in salary, plus whatever the luxury tax penalty would be.
Then again, all New Orleans has to do sneak under the tax is renounce one of their free agents.
IMHO, it really is unlikely the Knicks will make Sessions an offer.
"I've hacked into your brain. You're throwing a party and no one's showing up."
Sick of the OBSESSION with SESSIONS!
I know there is not much LAC news right now, but who is not feed up with the Sessions talk? I know I am and come to think about it he is not much more then a Glorified D-League Player. Way overrated or else he would be signed by now. Look I feel that just because you have the money why do you have to spend it? We are looking pretty good right now with this squad, maybe we should just get Mike Taylor back for Third String and leave it at that.
madglove, that was a cheapshot
I’m with H…..007, Sessions is dragging this way too long. Now I’m not going to say that he’s a glorified D-Leager, but I still believe that Session is still somewhat unproven. Sure he had some good games, but even then, Thornton has had good games. Most people are complaining wth Thornton’s production. Probably not a good example, but I just think that H…007 has a point; Sessions isnt completley provened, and if he isn’t we have ourselves a Jared Jeffries type player.
Mike Smith on Eric Gordon: "The Clippers may have found their go to scorer."
On a second note, I want Novak back!
But,
for the record, I’m currently on the neutral side of Sessions in LA or NY. At this point, we’re damned if we do, and we’re damned if we don’t. If we have to fill up that last pg side, might as well make sure Iverson is REALLY willing to come off the bench. Yes sadly, I’m still liking the idea of Iverson in a Clippers jersey.
Mike Smith on Eric Gordon: "The Clippers may have found their go to scorer."
On a second note, I want Novak back!
hey, thats an unfair generalization
i’m on drugs and i think sessions would make a great pg of the future for us.
best case senario
MIL rescinds QO
NYK signs Sessions 1 Yr
LAC uses remaining roster spots on Navak + other
LAC plays the season with Bassy as backup
Season ends
LAC playoffs end
Offseason starts
NYK lures LBJ
LBJ stalls for a long time
LAC scoops up good players that are off the radar of other teams with their $ because other teams are focused on the big 3 (replace Camby, Bop, Ricky…if they are not already traded)
LAC scoops up Sessions (FA) while NYK is busy with the LBJ possibility
LAC can now trade either Baron or Bassy (hopefully Bassy because that would mean The Baron is back)
The Knicks can't sign Sessions for 1 year b/c he's an RFA
On top of that, I’m of the belief that Sessions will command a much bigger contract in a few years after his upcoming deal expires
Even IF hypothetically Sessions can get a 1 year deal from NY
why wouldnt Bucks match the deal? It’s a once year deal. Plus, they can easily trade that expiring contract away to a team that wants him.
Mike Smith on Eric Gordon: "The Clippers may have found their go to scorer."
On a second note, I want Novak back!
The Bucks aren't the Knicks
The Knicks don’t care about spending money, they just need cap space in 2010. The Bucks DO care about spending money, and are only a couple million away from the luxury tax (which is why people don’t think they’d match, after letting Villanueva walk).
An argument could be made of that's why Knicks do care about spending money?
Mike Smith on Eric Gordon: "The Clippers may have found their go to scorer."
On a second note, I want Novak back!
scenario
KJ’s best case scenario begins with MIL rescinding the QO. In that case, NYK can sign Sessions to a one year deal, as he would be an Unrestricted free agent.
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by Steve Perrin on Aug 27, 2009 9:40 AM PDT up reply actions
Thank you, and exactly
…by MIL rescinding the QO they also have no authority to match. meaning NYK (or anyone for that matter) can sign him for whatever without worrying if MIL will just match it
I'm pretty over Sessions...
It’s clear that he does not want to be here. We are his fallback, even worse, likely his last choice.
Do we really want him if he doesn’t want to be here? Sounds like the #1 ingredient for under performance.
I don't think Sessions has a problem with LA or the Clippers
I simply believe Sessions would prefer going to NY where he’s more likely to be a starter and get more minutes. Hard to fault a player for preferring more PT. I don’t think this means the Clips are his last choice. If the Clips could somehow find a way to convince MIL to take Telfair in a S&T, I think the Clips become more attractive to Sessions. I saw some quote from Baron Davis a week or two ago where he said he liked Sessions’ game and would want him on the team. My guess is that Baron might be helping to recruit Sessions. Who do the Knicks have to recruit anyone? So, sure, Sessions (like any player) would prefer the team that could offer more PT….but, if the offer doesn’t come or if the money isn’t close enough, I don’t think Sessions will have a problem with the Clips.
Also
I admit to being fed up with the Sessions situation as well. Hopefully it will be brought to a head in early September. Afterall, if he wants to earn minutes somewhere, he’ll have to sign by mid September to both allow for the 7 day matching period to run (assuming MIL takes all 7 days) and end up in his new town before training camp starts. As it stands, some teams’ players are starting to get together now to work on their game…so the calendar is starting to work against Sessions.
All of the people who are "sick of the Ramon Sessions talk"
Including: anyone who’s said they want Nate Robinson instead, anyone who thinks Sessions is a glorified DLeague player, anyone who doesn’t think he’s worth $5 million per, the “if he’s so good why doesn’t anyone want him” people, etc. I want to hear what you have to say about him when his upcoming deal is up and he’s commanding at least $8 million per year from various teams.
Whenever his contract is up,
my bet is… he won’t be worth 8 Mil….
Mike Smith on Eric Gordon: "The Clippers may have found their go to scorer."
On a second note, I want Novak back!
well we're both on record now
don’t be mad when I link to these comments 3 years from now
Lol, maybe factors my man, if he's staying in LA,
easy to say he won’t be an 8 Mil. man. If he goes to NY, he probably has a better chance, until they find a bette pg to start under D’Antoni.
Mike Smith on Eric Gordon: "The Clippers may have found their go to scorer."
On a second note, I want Novak back!
Well if he's in LA
I won’t have anything to complain about. No reason to be like, “see I told you so!” if/when the clips are rolling.
Of course we can always not have Dunleavy at coach anymore..
Mike Smith on Eric Gordon: "The Clippers may have found their go to scorer."
On a second note, I want Novak back!
All the Laker Haters here:
More reason to like Sessions
Damn, that was a really boring triple double video.
Sorry d2s4ui1, some of the plays I was watching was sad, especially the Gadzuric one. I thought that the Lakers could have easily stood their ground and made it a charge. Not to have anything against you or anything, but I was hoping for Steve Nash like plays…
Mike Smith on Eric Gordon: "The Clippers may have found their go to scorer."
On a second note, I want Novak back!
i'd have to go with Jack on this one
…sorry, but that wasn’t very interesting. If it weren’t for the title I wouldn’t have even known it was a triple double game…i only saw (simple) assist, wide open jump shots, and 1? steal? in that short clip..what was the his full stat line for that game anyways?
in fact…i think of myself as heavily into ALL happenings of the NBA…and i don’t even remember that game or any news about it. at least it wasnt something that stuck
can we have a video of Bassy? so we can compare who would be a better back up pg for us this coming year.
You can compare if you like
One game by Telfair vs the Knicks (younger years in Portland)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rI9GATF5yLg&feature=related
A Ramon Sessions highlight.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EcAq7p6tdQQ
the more I watch Telfair, the more I’m liking him over Sessions.
Mike Smith on Eric Gordon: "The Clippers may have found their go to scorer."
On a second note, I want Novak back!
It was hard to find video
For some reason, there’s nothing on his 44 point game (part of which I watched btw, and it was amazing).
Btw, I’m not advocating signing Sessions b/c he’s a better backup than Telfair. I’m for signing him because Baron Davis is getting old and we need a STARTING pg and Sessions is around the same age as Gordon and Griffin. Tell me, who are we going to sign for 5 million who’s that good at that age?
Our team is set now.............
Rather have Bassy as back up to BD and M. Collins as swing PG/SG and save the extra funds for 2010 Cap then sign an unproven Sessions that if you think about it MIL is passing on him for a rook in Jennings.
I'm liking Bassy too
We don’t need Sessions…
IMO Sessions is threatened by Bassy…and for good reason.
The unproven argument wears thin if you're comparing him to Bassy
Bassy’s never had a 39 game stretch as good as Sessions’ 39-games-started last year.
Bassy’s a proven backup PG. Great. Sessions proved he was an above-average STARTING point guard as a ROOKIE
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