The Latest on Sessions and the Clippers
Of course, nothing has really ever changed on this subject. It seems like it's been in constant motion, but nothing has actually changed since free agency started.
Ramon Sessions has been a restricted free agent since July 1. The Clippers have likely had an interest in him since before then. He was first linked to LA in published reports about the time that the Allen Iverson rumors surfaced, around July 14. Since then it's been one story after another:
- the Knicks, Clippers and Thunder are interested;
- the Bucks will likely match;
- the Clips traded for Telfair, so they're out of the Sessions talks;
- no wait, Telfair doesn't change anything for the Clippers;
- but he does change things for Sessions, who doesn't want to fight two guys for playing time;
- the Bucks signed Hakim Warrick, so now they won't match;
- no wait, they will match, up to $3M;
- or maybe more, and that's just they want New York to believe;
- the Knicks aren't going to make an offer, so the Clippers are in the lead;
- the Knicks are going to make an offer;
- the Knicks are negotiating with Jason Williams, so that changes everything;
- no wait, the Knicks aren't going to sign Williams.
At the end of last week, an offer sheet from the Knicks was supposedly imminent. On Monday, the final details were reportedly being worked out. And here we are, August 7, and the reality is nothing has changed at all. Ramon Sessions is still an restricted free agent, and that's all we know for sure.
Fortunately, to save us from more grammar discussions, Gery Woelfel of the Journal Times is reporting something - not much really, but at least it's something - new in the saga (Sharp-eyed and extremely bored Citizens PaperClip and Chris.S.Oakesboth have FanShots on this already).
The Los Angeles Clippers have intensified their interest in Sessions and appear on the brink of making a strong pitch for him.
The scuttlebutt around the NBA is the clippers and Bucks are discussing a sign-and-trade scenario with Sessions, a restricted free agent, being the central figure.
The Clippers would ideally like to include point guard Sebastian Telfair in the deal, and have also tossed out some other possibilities, including a draft pick.
If the Clippers can't come to an agreement with the Bucks on a sign-and-trade arrangement, there are growing indications they'll extend an offer sheet to Sessions.
Wow. That is news. I mean, it's been widely assumed that the Knicks were in the driver's seat, since they have a starting job to offer Sessions while the Clippers' backcourt is locked in. So this is really interesting, this whole 'strong pitch' thing.
Only except for it's not interesting. What exactly is this strong pitch going to be?
As we've discussed before, unless I'm missing something, the sign-and-trade scenario is a red herring. Sessions' status as a Gilbert Arenas, early Bird RFA sets his salary ceiling at the mid-level exception. And the Clippers have their entire MLE to work with. So this S&T talk would benefit exactly one entity in all of this - the Bucks. Why would the Clippers give up a draft pick as part of this deal when they could just give Sessions Telfair the offer sheet? Sure, Sessions doesn't have to sign their offer sheet if he doesn't want to play for the Clippers. Then again, he doesn't have to play along with the S&T either. Invariably when a FA signing is restuctured as an S&T, the player gets a little more money as an incentive to play along. But Sessions gets the same money either way on this one.
Of course, the Clippers might actually be willing to give a little in the S&T just to get rid of the uncertainty of the offer sheet process; if he signs an offer sheet, they have to sit around for a week to see if the Bucks are going to match. Not that anything has happened in the last week or is likely to happen in the next week, but still. A S&T would have the advantage to the Clippers of finality and certainty. But I don't see them giving up a lot for that. (They wouldn't mind too much giving up Telfair, since he would become redundant with Sessions, but I don't see them giving up a decent pick.)
But all-in-all it still seems like the ball is in the Knicks court. All of the playing time and stylistic advantages for Sessions in New York are still there: if the Knicks make a competitive offer, he'll take it. Which makes you wonder - where might this latest rumor have originated? Hmmmm. The latest news from New York had the Knicks being uncharacteristically patient. Here's what Alan Hahn said in Newsday this morning:
Sessions' agent, Jim Wells, has only one client. He also doesn't have many other viable options. The Clippers are in the periphery, but if they were hot for Sessions why haven't they made an offer yet? And with Baron Davis, Sebastian Telfair and Eric Gordon in the backcourt, there is far less minutes for Sessions -- a combo guard -- in LA.
The Knicks are making Wells and Sessions sweat, acting as if they're the only game in town. And suddenly, as if by magic, another motivated buyer appears on the scene. How convenient! You don't suppose Sessions' camp may have planted this story, do you?
If I really put on my salary cap thinking cap (my cap cap), I suppose that Sessions could get larger raises in the S&T scenario than signing an offer sheet. His starting salary is limited to the MLE, but the Bucks could give him 10.5% raises, while the Knicks and Clippers can only give him 8% raises. So maybe he can make a little more in the S&T than otherwise. But it's not as if the Knicks appear ready to offer him the full MLE - so if the Clippers are willing to go there, they're already the more lucrative offer.
It really feels like we're exactly where we've been the whole time. It's the Knicks' move.
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Im not really sure why
Why is Telfair’s name keep coming up ? If Sessions comes here then Telfair might as well sit himself out. I think Sessions is the obvious 3rd guard and Telfair is just injury insurance.
Telfair to me doesn't seem to be
the best person to have in the locker room if he’s not getting any playing time though.
Bingo! Oh me oh my!
Since the sign and trade the Clipps
want with Telfair is no good for the Bucks, due to them having Jennings and Ridnour, unless they see something else they want, it’s going to have to be an offer sheet for the Clipps.
Not only do the Bucks have 2 PG’s already, but on top of that Telfair has that player option that’ll make him like Kryptonite to the Bucks.
So do we have anything else? They might be after the T’Wolves pick or one of our expirings – Ricky (doubt it), Madsen, Smith.
I’m thinking would he be worth the T’Wolves pick. Tough call. He’s a starting caliber guard Sessions who has potential to be very good. He’s already shown that potential. The pick though could be high if the Wolves keep making the moves they have. It’s never guaranteed with a pick so it’s a chance.
Bingo! Oh me oh my!
i dont think theres any way he’s worth the twolves pick.
the twolves pick is definitely a lottery pick for the most part. i’m not even convinced sessions is a huge upgrade over telfair. we are talking about a backup point guard here!!! who cant shoot 3s. he’s not going to put us over the top, so we might as well offer von wafer a million dollar 1 year deal with a team option, and just play the season out and see how the team does and what we can get at the trade deadline for our expirings.
the only reason to get sessions would be if someone was dumb enough to take baron for a small forward.
Sessions is not a backup PG
He would be the backup PG/SG here because of EJ and Baron but in a lot of other teams, he’s be a starter.
If Baron’s contract was only a couple more years then I’d be tempted to use the pick and bring Sessions in as our long term PG
starter but I with baron’s contract, like you said, unless we can move him, Sessions will be a backup in Clipperland.
I think he is definately an upgrade over Telfair but unless we could move Telfair and have a 3 guard rotation of Baron/EJ/Sessions, I tend to agree with you and say let’s keep the pick.
I think that I might keep Fred Jones over Von Wafer though. Is there really much between them? Jones can handle the ball a little bit, can hit the 3 and isn’t a liability on D. If nothing happens with Sessions, I’d be tempted to keep Jones and Novak and see where this season takes us.
Bingo! Oh me oh my!
Not a question of whether Sessions is "worth" the pick
I support signing Sessions as much as just about anyone, but the Clippers would be foolish to give up the Minny pick or any other first rounder. Milwaukee doesn’t control where Sessions signs unless they are willing to match a Clipper offer sheet, which they are unlikely to do while they are just below the luxury tax level. Using their remaining cap space below the luxury tax to sign Hakim Warrirck pretty much tipped their hand. The S&T idea is only to eliminate the last possibility of Milwaukee matching.
So as SP noted in the original story, the S&T is a red herring. The Clippers don’t need to give up anything of value. If Sessions decides he will sign with the Clippers, I’d be fine with the Clips pitching in a 2nd rounder to seal the transaction. Or maybe the Clips could trade expiring contracts to get the Bucks a little more breathing room below the luxury tax, something like Madsen or Ricky Davis for Kurt Thomas. Possibly even a Novak for Francisco Elson double S&T. But a 1st rounder definitely shouldn’t be in the deal.
You're missing the point...
Why would the Clippers give up ANYTHING for Sessions? The Bucks aren’t in control on this one (other than whether or not they will match an offer sheet, which by most indications they won’t). So making an attractive offer to the Bucks gets us nothing – the point is to make an attractive offer to Sessions.
No WAY you give up a first rounder unless it has massive protection. The Minny pick is top 10 for two years and then unprotected – so you’re talking about a lottery pick in 2012 for Ramon Sessions?
In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd
Minny Pick
Hi Steve,
Can you educate me a bit on this? From my understanding if Minny gets a top 10 pick the next two years then it’s protected and we can’t use it, however if it somehow does not get the top 10…say 12th…we could use it if we wanted.
In 2012 it is the Clippers for the taking.
I think you summed it up perfectly
Bingo! Oh me oh my!
by ClippersUK on Aug 7, 2009 10:05 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I think you summed it up perfectly
Bingo! Oh me oh my!
by ClippersUK on Aug 7, 2009 10:06 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
One minor correction...
It’s not ‘use it if we wanted’ – if it’s 11th or lower, it belongs to the Clippers, period. But if the Wolves are in the bottom 10 two more drafts, the pick belongs to the Clippers in 2012 no matter where it is. It could be the first overall pick conceivably.
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by Steve Perrin on Aug 7, 2009 10:16 AM PDT up reply actions
Yep
When I looked at the suggestion again and the situation as a whole, that is far too much to give up.
Was looking at it in a way to sweeten a S&t deal but you and others are right, minny pick terrible idea.
Not that in different circumstances Ramon isn’t worth a low lottery pick but here, if we put a decent offer sheet in on it’s own, we don’t actually need any sweeteners.
As before, I’d be tempted to leave this now, keep Jones and either keep Novak or try and pickup a decent SF for the rotation.
We have already had a number of changes with 3 new players in our rotation this year. We saw what happened with too many changes last year.
I have got to ask whether that money could be better spent when we could easily have backup guards in Telfair and Jones.
Bingo! Oh me oh my!
by ClippersUK on Aug 7, 2009 10:03 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Bucks aren't the concern
That’s why. In fact, they aren’t even the primary concern. The Clips might consider giving up something in a sign and trade to give Sessions their best possible deal (as you stated, the 10.5% raises). Something the Knicks can’t.
So yea if we’re talking one or two second round picks or a first round pick top 20 protected forever, I’d do it. Sessions is definitely worth that. For the Bucks, makes sense to get something instead of just letting him walk. For Sessions, it allows him the most money.
However, I agree, as much as I like Sessions, no way is he worth the Minny pick. Don’t trade the Minny pick EVER. Wait til 2012. That pick could end up being the pick that really changes this franchise (assuming Blake wasn’t already that).
I like session is good
But I wouldn’t give the Bucks a first round pick, it’ll be similar to the Jaric trade.
Anybody else?
Is there anybody else on the roster that makes sense for a S&T deal for Sessions, besides Telfair? Expiring contracts (Madsen, RDavis) is one way to go, but maybe there’s an option that we’re missing.
The right S&T deal would be kind of nice, in not having to wait a week to see if the Bucks match, no matter how unlikely that might be.
we still have the TE from the z-bo trade, use that in a S&T
If it’s used right, why wouldn’t a team like the bucks who have no plan for the playoffs immediately offer to take salary off the 2010 teams and pick up draft picks and cash in the process. That’s the only S&T that would make sense for both sides.
by cantthinkofagoodname on Aug 7, 2009 9:55 AM PDT up reply actions
Bad idea
Not much to be excited about looking at that Bucks roster. I’m surprised by the Jennings pick, since Ridnour is a fairly large expiring deal. Based on our perspective as Clipper fans and Sessions suitors, wouldn’t you have wanted to match any offer on Sessions and sign him for the MLE or less, let Ridnour’s deal expire, and call it a day?
The Bucks have the big contract for two more years with Michael Redd, they have the 5/50 deal with Bogut, a couple more years of Dan Gadzuric, and they sent off RJefferson.
They have Joe Alexander, who seemed to be making a little progress in summer league this year, and Mbah a Moute, LRMM. Whatever Milwaukee’s plan is, it’s not obvious to me. I still have to look and see what their choices were when they picked Jennings, and it would also be interesting to see who they could have picked instead of Alexander. LRMM is a nice 2nd round gem and glue guy, but did the combination of the weak JAlexander pick and LRMM, with Redd and Bogut, force their hand on Jennings? Just curious.
Is LRMM the glue guy that the Clippers should be trying to pry loose somehow? As Clipper fans, we have to get past our quibbles about suggesting deals that clearly benefit our own team—no one else seems to worry about suggesting deals to pick off key Clipper talent, for nothing in return. Can’t imagine it would be very easy to get Milwaukee to give up LRMM, but he is in fact a 5th starter or bench player.
Mardy Collins obviously wouldn’t do it, and we Clipfans probably overvalue MC. I wouldn’t do it, but does anybody trade Al Thornton for LRMM and Sessions? Horrible idea, like I said. I can’t figure out how to make this work.
The reason that the Bucks don't do that
is that they are not overly enamored with Sessions themselves. In fact, for much of last year they started Ridnour, who sucks, over him.
by Jax on Aug 7, 2009 9:27 AM PDT up reply actions
I agree...
They’re so not enamored with Sessions that they drafted another point guard, which tells me they have no intention of resigning Sessions at all… except for very very low money. It is hard to figure what their plan might be.
Bad idea
Not much to be excited about looking at that Bucks roster. I’m surprised by the Jennings pick, since Ridnour is a fairly large expiring deal. Based on our perspective as Clipper fans and Sessions suitors, wouldn’t you have wanted to match any offer on Sessions and sign him for the MLE or less, let Ridnour’s deal expire, and call it a day?
The Bucks have the big contract for two more years with Michael Redd, they have the 5/50 deal with Bogut, a couple more years of Dan Gadzuric, and they sent off RJefferson.
They have Joe Alexander, who seemed to be making a little progress in summer league this year, and Mbah a Moute, LRMM. Whatever Milwaukee’s plan is, it’s not obvious to me. I still have to look and see what their choices were when they picked Jennings, and it would also be interesting to see who they could have picked instead of Alexander. LRMM is a nice 2nd round gem and glue guy, but did the combination of the weak JAlexander pick and LRMM, with Redd and Bogut, force their hand on Jennings? Just curious.
Is LRMM the glue guy that the Clippers should be trying to pry loose somehow? As Clipper fans, we have to get past our quibbles about suggesting deals that clearly benefit our own team—no one else seems to worry about suggesting deals to pick off key Clipper talent, for nothing in return. Can’t imagine it would be very easy to get Milwaukee to give up LRMM, but he is in fact a 5th starter or bench player.
Mardy Collins obviously wouldn’t do it, and we Clipfans probably overvalue MC. I wouldn’t do it, but does anybody trade Al Thornton for LRMM and Sessions? Horrible idea, like I said. I can’t figure out how to make this work.
Confused...
Why would the Clips need to give Telfair the offer sheet? How does that get them Sessions?
This cap/MLE stuff is way too confusing…
That would be confusing...
That was a type. No offer sheets for Telfair – it should have read Sessions and has been corrected. Thanks.
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That makes more sense
All this sign & trade stuff was starting to make me wonder what’s possible. Good digging on finding the extra 2.5% raises thing. I’m sure a good agent would try to get the most for his client even if it’s only a little more.
Who is Ramon Sessions?
Is he really worth all of the attention he is getting? I personally don’t think so.
Do not worry. (Matthew 6:27)
Who is Ramon Sessions?
Is he really worth all of the attention he is getting? I personally don’t think so.
Do not worry. (Matthew 6:27)
Haha ok
Fair enough.
Keep in mind, he’s getting so much attention b/c we’re on the dog days of summer where there’s only baseball on. Not much news to get into right now.
Still, Sessions is a really quality PG and he’s only 23. I fully expect him to be one of the best PGs in the league (not like CP3 or DWill level but a quality starter) for the next 5-7 years.
I'm just unfamiliar with him
which is telling, because I follow bball pretty closely. He doesn’t seem like the guy that is going to put the Clippers over the top. So I am just wondering why all the fuss.
Dog days is right.
Do not worry. (Matthew 6:27)
But... but... but...
Then, as Jax pointed out above, if he’s so good, why don’t the Bucks want to keep him… and why did they draft a point guard at number one if the guy they already had is so talented? Does madglove have a crystal ball?
Why
Did the Bucks not even extend a QO to Charlie V?
Why did the Bucks give Hakim Warrick $3 mil when he had few options?
Why did the Bucks pick Andrew Bogut #1 overall?
Why did the Bucks go through the trouble of drafting Yi Jianlian in the lottery, then trade him for Richard Jefferson’s huge contract, then trade Jefferson’s huge contract for nothing?
Are you really trying to use what the Bucks do as a barometer of good basketball evaluation?
Here's the deal
Ridnour, who sucks, started over half the year over Sessions. Do you think Scott Skiles is a bad coach? I watched some of those games and the announcers sometimes mentioned that there were some issues with Sessions, particularly about his ability to run the offense – he’d try to score or freelance too much supposedly. I don’t know enough to know whether that’s true, but I do know that they like Ridnour more than Sessions. Which may be telling.
by Jax on Aug 7, 2009 1:55 PM PDT up reply actions
Well...
If he signs here, all that he has to do is pass the ball into Blake.. Done and Dun!
:)
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by CLiPPz WeRD 12 on Aug 7, 2009 2:09 PM PDT up reply actions
Not necessarily a bad coach in any case
You just have to know what he values in rating his players. Regardless of who started more, they had virtually the same minutes per game. Ridnour is superior in defense and 3’s; Sessions in overall scoring, distributing and rebounding.
Two choices he used about equally.
It depends on how they are used and who he trusted
He shifted around during the year alot. Sometimes Ridnour finished games, sometimes Sessions finished. Sessions was the better scorer and distributor.
I don’t believe Ridnour is superior on defense – why do you think that?
by Jax on Aug 7, 2009 4:05 PM PDT up reply actions
He had the superior n/off
They are on the same team, but when Ridnour was on the floor they rated at 98.2 ppg versus 101.8 for Sessions. Lower being better because this is defense. So within Skiles’ defense, he would have seen Ridnour helping more.
But again Ridnour had 50 starts and 28.2 mpg and Sessions 39 and 27.5. So without having watched too many Bucks games, I can at least see that the trust Skiles had between them wasn’t exactly a wide gulf.
Just a theory.
I don't see how
you can say Sessions’ defense was worse because the team allowed an average of 3 ppg less when he was in there than Ridnour. I would imagine that there were other switchouts that factored in as well. And there were times when they played together on the floor. Ridnour, if you watch him, is not a good defender. Sessions to me seems kind of small (I know he’s 6’3").
Proof in the pudding – the Bucks could resign Sessions if they want to.
by Jax on Aug 7, 2009 4:45 PM PDT up reply actions
Your first sentence doesn't make sense
They allowed fewer points with Ridnour on the floor.
The why isn’t so important is it? They were a better defensive team with Ridnour on the floor. It simply it what it is. Skiles surely knew these numbers. I’m not making a call on who is the better individual defender. In Skiles’ scheme, the defense worked better with Ridnour. This goes to the question: why would Ridnour play marginally more minutes than Sessions under Skiles.
Now what Skiles may have missed is that the offense more than made up for it with Sessions.
For fun: Googling “skiles” and “defense” returns almost exactly twice as many hits as “skiles” and “offense”.
Further fun: Googling “d’anonti” and “defense” returns “Did you mean: d’antoni offense”. Hilarious.
You're right - I misspoke
For some of those minutes they played together and for some of those minutes different players might have played with them. I don’t see how the stat alone tells you whether one is a better defender. Perhaps that Sessions is such a better defender that he’d play with other players who were far worse than those who played with Ridnour and Sessions made it closer.
Skiles is a defensive-minded coach.
by Jax on Aug 7, 2009 5:54 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't like to get involved in your arguments
but I have to agree with Jax on this one. I don’t think that a small 3ppg difference is that much of difference Ridnour may be a better defender but the small difference doesn’t show well, much a difference between them. And the other players surely had an effect on the points scored during the time he was in.
In Gordon we trust
I'm sure he understands
However, some people would rather see things in black and white because it’s more comfortable.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqxpuCl6JN8
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by CLiPPz WeRD 12 on Aug 7, 2009 10:13 PM PDT up reply actions
if they wait it out
they get sessions for free.
then trading telfair either as part of an offseason to mid season deal (either as the primary or a throw in to a bigger deal), would seem to make the most sense.
telfair’s contract player option for next year is cap friendly. so essentially he’s somewhat easy on the 2010 cap, and really attractive to those teams jockying for 2011 capspace.
Clippers Basketball.... It's Masochistic!
Just had a thought...
What if Clips are privately telling Sessions that it’s going to be his show soon and that signing him and keeping Telfair is really a precursor to dumping Baron this year or next like Aldridge is suggesting?
That would be the most enticing reason for Sessions to even consider the Clips.
Granted, it’s hard to imagine anyone wanting Baron’s contract…but if ZBO can get moved multiple times…
How can they possibly privately tell him something like that?
There’s no guarantee that they can “dump” BD. He’s expensive, as you point out.
by Jax on Aug 7, 2009 1:28 PM PDT up reply actions
LRMM
Nobody can figure out how to get Sessions and LRMM? Not enough interest in LRMM?
definately more enticing to give up a 'good' pick
maybe they will take OUR first rounder next year and telfair? tell them ricky davis has really been working hard this off season and since the bucks are our buddies and all, maybe they will take him too? hehe
i would think they might want more than what could be perceived as a mid range first rounder, but doesnt seem like they will want to take on any big contracts (dont see them wanting camby or kaman).
so you have that chunk of gold minnie pick, which might yield a good return if the clips end up with two key players out of the deal, while moving telfair for the more dynamic sessions.
i’d prolly do it only because that minnie pick is at its highest value right now, at least perceptually and LRMM is at his lowest price right now. buy low/sell high.
im not totally sold they would let go of him.
Clippers Basketball.... It's Masochistic!
Using a pick
That might be worth it. Yes, the Bucks have good reason to like LRMM, but they would be turning a shrewd 2nd round pick into a first round pick. They don’t need a workmanlike “glue guy,” they need a scorer and impact player—the guy who Yi Jianlian and Joe Alexander was supposed to be.
Plus, they seem to be in the midst of a string of questionable moves, as the mention of Yi for Jefferson suggests. Just go fleece ’em, and get the guys who fit the rising young roster.
Wait, I don't get it...
Are you guys suggesting that LRMM is a potential glue guy? Or is this just Zhivian/Jaxian UCLA-love?
LRMM is a nice defensive player
the clips could really use someone with his d skills.
he is prolly on par with where Azubuike was during last year’s offseason (could be ready for a breakout type year).
i dont think the bucks will let hm go so its all speculation, but if i wake up tomorrow and they have traded telfair/rdavis/next years first round pick for sessions/lrmm i will consider that a really nice move. this would upgrade the combo guard situaion and add a role player with potential for a pick we wont have money to sign.
doing it for minnies pick in 2012 makes it a little harder to pull the trigger, but would undeniably help the team out.
Clippers Basketball.... It's Masochistic!
Yeah
A little bit of zhivian/jaxian bruinism, which does need to be noted.
But he might also be a rising glue guy. He plays defense and rebounds well for an SF. He’s not a QRoss nonentity on offense.
Azubuike was a much better scorer and shooter and more of an SG, a well-rounded player, but I think LRMM is a better defender and rebounder. He has legitimate SF size and athleticism. He does the things that AThornton has trouble with, which would allow Thornton to come off the bench as a pure scorer/6th man.
The key is that I wouldn’t want to suggest trading Thornton for him, because Thornton’s firepower is still critical to the overall Clipper attack. And Thornton is more of a legitimate starter at SF—he only makes sense coming off the bench on a team that has players like Gordon, Griffin, and BDavis.
Ahaha, no attack intended Jax
but Jax is a brui-jan. I have no idea how to mix Bruin and Trojan together…
Mike Smith on Eric Gordon: "The Clippers may have found their go to scorer."
On a second note, I want Novak back!
if scott brooks makes a comeback...
i will totally homer the uci alumnus, hahahhaha
Clippers Basketball.... It's Masochistic!
for the record on buke and lrmm
i wasnt suggesting that they have the same things to offer hoops wise, what i mean is they are both at the same level of maturation (in bloom), at this point in their careers (buke last year, lrmm this year).
both could be locked down at a good rate at this point in their careers, which of course makes them very appetizing, yumm!
Clippers Basketball.... It's Masochistic!
If we could somehow finagle having Telfair and Sessions on the team by giving each decent minutes so they don’t feel punished, I think it would be an absolutely savvy move, and not terrible insurance since Baron gets banged up every so often.
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