LA Clipper Optimists - Betting Baron Bounces Back
There are many times when it's not easy for a Clippers fan to maintain his or her optimism. Then again, given the history of the franchise, it would seem that most fans are by definition either optimists or masochists - undoubtedly more than a few are both, not that there's anything wrong with that.
This summer has been different. It's been downright easy to be optimistic about the Clippers. From the moment the team won the lottery, a lot of things have gone right. Obviously the biggest single factor in this newly rosy outlook is Blake Griffin - he was the consensus number one pick, he has the physical talent to be a superstar, and more importantly he has the work ethic to excel as well.
Still, 21 year old rookies rarely take 19 win teams into the playoffs in their first season - which is what many people, some of them paid to write about the NBA, are saying is going to happen with the Clippers. Four out of five writers at HoopsWorld have predicted that the Clippers will edge out the Suns for second place in the Pacific Division, and the eighth playoff spot. Eric Pincus of HoopsWorld has them 14th in the NBA, eighth in the West, in his pre-camp Power Rankings. If we peg the playoffs at around 45 wins, that's a 26 win improvement over last season. Blake Griffin can't do that alone.
There are other weapons in the Clipper optimist's arsenal of course. Team health and team depth are two concrete things that will arguably (hopefully?) be improved in 2009-2010. The Clippers were fourth in the NBA in player games lost to injury last season (after being first in the category the season before) - if you believe in curses, or that some players are simply injury-prone, then that may not improve much. If you believe in the law of averages, then eventually the Clippers will have a relatively injury-free season, and maybe this is that season. As for team depth, I for one certainly believe that this is the deepest Clipper roster in years.
Having said all that, there's really one overriding factor that will determine whether the Clippers can compete for a playoff spot this season, and his name is Baron Davis. Why is Davis the linchpin, more so than say Griffin, or Eric Gordon, or Chris Kaman? For a few reasons.
- Baron Davis has been an All Star in the NBA, and was playing at that level as recently as 07-08. His first season with the Clippers was his worst since he was a rookie, a decade ago. Based on PER (an imperfect measure to be sure, but it does convey a sense of overall performance), the difference between Baron's 06-07 season (21 PER) and his 08-09 season (14.5 PER) is the difference between an all star and a below average player. That's huge.
- Baron Davis has demonstrated a tendency to be up and down in his career. His first season in Golden State, he shot 39% - the next season he shot 44%. More than most players, Baron wears his heart on his sleeve, and plays with emotion, both positive and negative. So there's reason to hope that Baron will bounce back, because there's been a precedent.
- Baron Davis plays point guard in the Western Conference, arguably the most competitive position in the NBA.
For me, this last point is the most crucial. Look at it this way - many NBA game previews are constructed position by position - who will win the center matchup, who will win the power forward, etc. Despite his $13M salary and massive expectations upon his return to LA, Baron Davis almost NEVER won the point guard matchup last season. At least he ended the suspense relatively early - we knew we were in big trouble when Beno Udrih scored a career high against the Clippers on Nov. 12, in only the eighth game of the season. Whether Baron was injured or not, whether he was in shape or not, what we know about last season is that he got outplayed at his position almost every night. If that happens again this season, the team is in trouble.
Now, as I mentioned, point guard in the Western Conference is a tough gig. When Steve Nash and Chauncey Billups barely crack the top five, you know the talent goes DEEP. So Baron is not necessarily going to win the point guard matchup against guys like Chris Paul and Deron Williams and Tony Parker. But it wasn't that long ago that he was in the top five himself, and last season, frankly, he was in the bottom five. So which is it? Is he well-above average or well-below average?
Let's look at all 15 point guards projected as starters for their West teams next season. (Obviously the question of who will start is open to debate in some cases. Will Mike Conley start ahead of Allen Iverson in Memphis? When will Tyreke Evans supplant Udrih as the starter in Sacto? These are the 15 I'm using for the sake of argument.)
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Team |
PG |
Age |
PER09 |
PER08 |
PER07 |
|
NOH |
Paul |
24 |
30.0 |
28.3 |
22.0 |
|
SAS |
Parker |
27 |
23.4 |
20.0 |
21.4 |
|
UTA |
Williams |
25 |
21.1 |
20.8 |
17.1 |
|
PHX |
Nash |
35 |
19.5 |
21.1 |
23.8 |
|
DEN |
Billups |
33 |
18.8 |
23.6 |
21.3 |
|
POR |
Miller |
33 |
18.6 |
18.4 |
16.1 |
|
MIN |
Sessions |
23 |
17.6 |
16.4 |
N/A |
|
DAL |
Kidd |
36 |
16.9 |
16.7 |
19.4 |
|
OKC |
Westbrook |
21 |
15.2 |
N/A |
N/A |
|
GSW |
Ellis |
24 |
14.5 |
19.0 |
15.0 |
|
LAC |
Baron |
30 |
14.5 |
19.8 |
21.0 |
|
HOU |
Brooks |
25 |
12.9 |
13.1 |
N/A |
|
MEM |
Conley |
22 |
14.3 |
12.6 |
N/A |
|
SAC |
Udrih |
27 |
12.3 |
13.3 |
10.3 |
|
LAL |
Fisher |
35 |
12.1 |
13.8 |
11.4 |
Based on 08-09 PER , Baron tied for 10th among West points And is it a conincidence that the top six players on the list (ignoring Andre Miller and Ramon Session who weren't in the Western Conference last season) all led their teams to at least 46 wins? Now, I'm not suggesting that you must have a great point guard to compete in the West or in the NBA - after all, the Lakers have the weakest starting point guard in the West based on PER, but they finished with the conference's best record and won the NBA title. Then again, the Lakers tend to win every other positional battle on the floor in a landslide. So they're the exception that proves the rule.
The Clippers on the other hand are going to be competitive, but not dominant, in most of their positional matchups. A healthy Kaman should win more than he loses in a suddenly ultra-weak center spot, and Marcus Camby wins most as well, making this position a theoretical strength for the team. Blake Griffin will win some of his matchups this season - but West power forward is almost as loaded as West point guard, so he will lose his matchup a lot as well. In his case, we have a level of confidence that in future seasons, he'll win his spot more and more freqently, so there's less urgency that he deliver NOW. Likewise with Eric Gordon - he's going to struggle against Kobe Bryant and Brandon Roy, but he's still only 20, so that's OK. Small forward may be a problem for the team, but hopefully Al Thornton and Rasual Butler can hold their own. The advantage for the Clippers as a team may be that they don't have a glaring weakness - they're pretty solid at every starting position and off the bench as well.
With the team looking like a toss up at so many spots on the floor, Baron's nightly battle at the one is magnified. Does he storm back into that top five group, where he was in 06-07 and 07-08? Or does he remain mired near the bottom, with a bunch of other lottery team points (and Derek Fisher)? In contrast to Griffin and Gordon, Baron's age does lend a sense of urgency to this situation - Russell Westbrook, Mike Conley, Ramon Sessions (and Jonny Flynn and Ricky Rubio), Tyreke Evans, Monta Ellis, Aaron Brooks - the teams that the Clippers are supposed to beat this season all have young point guards, 25 and under, they're hoping to develop. Baron is 30. So let's face it - if Baron is simply in decline, his ranking among his peers is likely to get worse before it gets better.
Realistically, where might Baron slot in amongst this collection of current all stars (3), former all stars (6), all pros (7) and Olympic team members (8)? ([Note by Steve Perrin, 09/24/09 2:29 PM PDT ]: And 8 of the top 10 NBA point guards of the last decade according to Kelly Dwyer on Ball Don't Lie today.) Paul, Parker and Williams are all younger than Baron and have been consistently better for a few years now - so let's start by saying that the top three is out of the question.
The next group is interesting - Baron can look behind him and see some youngsters chasing him. But if he looks ahead of him, he sees a group of his elders. Baron's only 30. Jason Kidd (36), Steve Nash (35), Chauncey Billups (33) and Andre Miller (33) are all quite a bit older than Baron, and getting to an age where point guards tend to slow. Based on the age and recent performances of this group, if Baron can indeed bounce back, we would expect him to be better than Kidd or Miller, if perhaps not quite as good as Billups or Nash.
Is he going to be better than Ramon Sessions? Well, the Clippers certainly hope so, since they could have signed Sessions for a lot less money than Baron makes and handed the team over to him.
What about Westbrook or Ellis? This brings up a different issue. Neither Westbrook nor Ellis is really a point guard. They are incredibly talented basketball players, but they are scorers who happen to be the size of point guards. Baron is an exceedingly gifted passer and an exceedingly mediocre shooter who happens to like to shoot - a lot. Despite what was clearly a difficult season for him both physically and emotionally, he still managed to be seventh in the league in assists per game, and in the top 10 in assists per 48 and assist percentage as well. With more and better scoring options around him, he could be among the league leaders in assists - and maybe not feel compelled to shoot that off balance jumper off the dribble quite so often.
If Baron can bounce back as he has at other points in his career, if he is in shape and healthy as he apparently was not last season, and if he can channel his positive emotions into his on court performance, he should be no worse than the sixth best point guard in the Western Conference this season. And quite simply, if Baron Davis plays like a playoff caliber point guard, the Clippers will be a playoff caliber team.
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Good write up
I notice your last line is that the Clips will be a playoff “caliber” team. I think that’s important. I agree with you that the success of the coming season depends on Baron more than anybody else. But we need quite a few things to go right for us, PLUS a few things going wrong for the teams ahead of us, in order for the Clips to make it. Historically, it’s been the other way around.
We need Baron to have a huge year, the team to stay fairly healthy, the coach to actually let them run, and our G-Force to meet or exceed expectations.
We also need significant injuries and/or chemistry issues to teams like the Suns, Hornets, Golden State and Denver. I’d say 2 out of those would work. Fortunately, the chemistry issues have already started in GSW and the injury bug obviously hit Houston hard.
by madglove on Sep 24, 2009 2:41 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
it's a zero sum game...
A .500 record, maybe a little better, is certainly in reach if Baron plays really well. But does Phoenix with Nash and Amare playing 7 seconds or less win 50 games? Like you said, other teams (mainly, HOU and PHX) have to drop for the Clippers to rise.
In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd
by Steve Perrin on Sep 24, 2009 7:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The team needs better offensive schemes
If you want your players to play to their potential, you’ve got to help get them there.
by Jax on Sep 24, 2009 8:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wish the injury bug
hurts Kobe, Carmelo, Nash, and Paul. Boy imagine what the West would look like if those players were down for the count.
by JackduhSun on Sep 24, 2009 3:14 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Hey Steve:
Who do you se as the Clippers starting center by the way? To an extent, Chris Kaman seems like a clear choice because he has better post moves than Marcus Camby, but when Camby is moltivated and uninjured, the guy can average double digit rebounds. Heck remember when he had 27, 24’s, and 18+’s? The more I think about it, the more I rather have Marcus Camby as the starting center.
by JackduhSun on Sep 24, 2009 3:19 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
agree
camby actually wants to play for the clippers.
kaman, not so much.
by baron davis' beard on Sep 24, 2009 4:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right, because Chris Kaman was the guy who threw the temper tantrum when he was traded from the Nuggets to the Clippers.
I mean seriously, where does a statement like that come from?
by Michael White on Sep 24, 2009 4:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Camby played hard for the Clippers
Who knows what Kaman wants
by Jax on Sep 24, 2009 8:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Say what? Sorry to bust your bubble but Kaman is DIE HARD CLIPPER.
by HVYDRT007 on Sep 24, 2009 4:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i remember reading an interview with camby after the clippers drafted blake, and nobody knew which one of the bigs was going to be traded. camby was saying how he hoped he stayed, cause even though they did bad last season, he sees a lot of hope in the roster and wants to mentor blake.
then i remember reading something about how kaman was really frustrated with the team. i’ll try in find it and post it, but it was a while ago.
if i’m wrong, my bad, but that’s just what i remember.
by baron davis' beard on Sep 24, 2009 4:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who isn't frustrated?
This team was horrible last year. Every single member of the Clippers organization was frustrated last year. That doesn’t equate to not wanting to be here.
by madglove on Sep 24, 2009 4:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, but something was said in that article that made me think he wanted traded, that’s why i wrote that.
by baron davis' beard on Sep 24, 2009 4:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Camby was upset at being traded for absolutely nothing by a franchise he was with for years; going so far as to lay down roots in Denver through his charity, etc. Since becoming a Clipper, he’s been nothing but class, and aside from EJ last year, was the most committed and professional player on the court.
I think he should absolutely start, let Kaman play with the second unit, Craig Smith is more of a shooter than a banger, anway. The less minutes for Kaman the less excuses he has to ride the bench in a suit you know he didn’t pick himself.
by Gordon for President on Sep 24, 2009 5:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
C. Smith has no range outside of ten feet.
by HVYDRT007 on Sep 24, 2009 5:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He’s got a little more range than that. Because he’s only what 6’7"? he can’t really operate in the post against taller bigs, he can leave that to Kaman.
by Gordon for President on Sep 24, 2009 5:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Professional?
You mean like being “hurt” for the last month of the season and then miraculously getting better in time to play the last e last three games which (coincidentally I’m sure) allowed him to get a roster bonus.
by Michael White on Sep 24, 2009 6:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Interesting Perspective
I’m sure he would’ve been out there had the games counted. Who knows how severe the injury was, though it did give DeAndre some much needed floor time…and really out of all our players last year no one deserved to be paid more than Gordon & Camby.
by ghost_ride on Sep 25, 2009 8:48 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Never wish injury on anyone, whats wrong with you guys?
by HVYDRT007 on Sep 24, 2009 3:52 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
LOL
its just an intresting.. idea to wonder how weak it would be without the top contributors. The only player I truely wish for failure, (whether its join failures, or just because he suck) is Elton. Plus, I don’t play fantasy basketball.
by JackduhSun on Sep 24, 2009 3:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No worse than 6? Huh?
Great read, but a little confused: it seemed to suggest that Baron would have to be top 8 in order to lead the Clippers to the playoffs. But then, the article concludes that he should be no worse than top 6?
by banandy on Sep 24, 2009 3:52 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I'd say you got it...
‘Playoff caliber’ is a little fuzzy – it’s not meant to be literally top 8 point guard… just to suggest that he belongs with that top group. (The Lakers will of course be in the playoffs without a top 8 point guard, so at best there are only 7 spots anyway.)
My perhaps hopeful conclusion is that Baron will be top 6 – behind Paul, Parker, Williams, Billups and Nash – ahead of Miller and Kidd. Easy for me to say here at my computer – he’s the one that has to do it.
In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd
by Steve Perrin on Sep 24, 2009 7:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Billups over KIdd?
I guess everybodies got their personal opinions?
by JackduhSun on Sep 24, 2009 10:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Personal opinion?
The stats support it, the team wins support and the teams playoff performances support it. What more do you need? Kidd is 3 years older than Billups to boot.
FA in 2010.
by ClipperChuck on Sep 24, 2009 11:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
BD, EJ, AT, BG, Kaman 2009-10 starting line up for the Los Angeles Clippers.
by HVYDRT007 on Sep 24, 2009 4:44 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Start the starters.
Your start the starters and you have your “specialist” come off the bench. I’ve thought about that very question for weeks upon weeks now: Who will start? You go with a player that can start(a well rounded player),in most cases, over a player who is more like a specialist, someone who excels in at least one area. Let those players come of the bench in the right moment and the right scenario to double there effectiveness. Camby, Smith, Novak and even Collins are specialist. Collins is a specialist about 3 different ways, not excelling in them but efficient enough to supplant a starter and not be a liability; and those areas are for defense, point guard and big guard. Al Thornton, if he does not continue his improvement to add to and strengthen his tools, will be a Ricky Davis(specialist) like Ricky was in his prime. So as much as I love Al Thornton’s game he could see himself subbing in for Rasual Butler. If Al can play defense, rebound, pass the ball and CONTINUE his momentum towards the basket when attacking he will continue to be the gem he promised to be his rookie year also not failing to keep hope in during his sophmore year. Mardy Collins and Al Thornton are the players to keep a watch on this season, they could dramatically go either way. DeAndre can be the guy that completely puts us in competition with ANY team. Kaman can solidify us to a solid season. Gordon and Blake are going to be fun to watch. Smith and Telfair are going to bring some GM’s to shaking there hid on missing out on. Rasual will have a few teams and fans mad at NO for letting him go, because his is such a annoyance of a dagger to teams. Camby will bring pride to a franchise and Novak, joy. But all of our hopes rest utterly on Baron Davis.
by Takebb909 on Sep 26, 2009 1:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
In decline
My sense after watching a season full of BD last year is that he’s a player in decline. Not really buying into the enthusiasm and “heart on sleeve” argument. He shot poorly, seemed a lot slower than his days in GS, and made a lot of bad choices. Hope I’m wrong, but sometimes reality can be harsh.
by ClipperLifer on Sep 24, 2009 5:13 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
It's certainly possible
In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd
by Steve Perrin on Sep 24, 2009 7:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I tend to agree
but for reason I have some faith that Sebastian Telfair is about to come into his own. Wish we had been able to land Sessions, in the end he was so affordable.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Sep 24, 2009 8:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
THATS SOME HOME GROWN TALENT BOYS
Our entire starting 5 could have looked something like this
Shaun Livingston
Eric Gordon
Al Thorton
Blake Griffin
Chris Kaman
Think about it.
by DoubleTechnical on Sep 24, 2009 7:08 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
With Korolov off the bench
I kid.
In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd
by Steve Perrin on Sep 24, 2009 7:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
not really if shaun was still here
we may have got gordon (not sure, maybe we would have donde a little better and go down in draft)
brand wouldn’t have leave, and no way we got blake.
by XXDC2XX on Sep 25, 2009 8:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Word is
Biddy is FAT and out of shape. This came to me personally from inside his camp. No bueno.
by supac on Sep 24, 2009 8:10 PM PDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
Not true
BD, along with a bunch of other Clips, are working hard and are in great shape. Completely different from last year, with the new practice facility, and the knowledge of how bad they were last season.
by citizen zhiv on Sep 24, 2009 9:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Zhiv is right
I would call BS on your source. He has been working out all summer, and I think he will be much better then last season.
In Gordon we trust
by bestclipfan on Sep 24, 2009 10:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not to argue, but have you actually seen the guy, Zhiv?
If not, what are you basing that on?
by Jax on Sep 24, 2009 11:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think that BD
would lie to the press when he said he had been working out all summer. He is an athlete not a politician lol.
In Gordon we trust
by bestclipfan on Sep 25, 2009 7:01 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So Zhiv is basing his argument that BD is working hard on statements made by BD?
by Jax on Sep 25, 2009 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
When?
Todd told me 2 weeks ago – in a very disappointed and frustrated tone – that Biddy has been goofing off and is definitely FAT.
by supac on Sep 25, 2009 3:58 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Zhiv - my bad if you actually saw him play
by Jax on Sep 25, 2009 9:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can't go that far
I saw him, and he seemed to be in top shape and very committed, determined to make up for his own role in last year’s fiasco.
But I didn’t see him play. So you’re right, I really don’t know.
by citizen zhiv on Sep 26, 2009 8:58 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I say BS of BD being out of shape,
I recently saw him in August at his ROSA camp at Crossroads HS and this guy was cut and ready to go. During the kids lunch time BD and the camp coaches were working out in the gym and BD was tearing it up. Also the camp had strength and conditioning drills out side on the Soccer Field and BD was running all the drills and sprinting with the kids, this dude was in top shape. Also he has been working out with the guys and the Practice Facility and getting it done.
So I call BS here, this is just another hater.
by HVYDRT007 on Sep 25, 2009 9:57 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol
“tearing it up” against HS kids. He deserves a cookie. Too bad he ate the whole plate.
by supac on Sep 25, 2009 4:02 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Wow a comedian, dude those same HS kids would eat you up like a cookie and then spit you out cus your rotten.
by HVYDRT007 on Sep 25, 2009 4:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
u are correct, sir
In fact many grade school kids would crush me on the hardwood. I truly stink at playing hoops. You have logically convinced me that Biddy is indeed not fat and in the best shape of his life. Congrats.
by supac on Sep 25, 2009 5:10 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
many high school kids
would also eat up and spit up a lot of players in the NBA.
In Gordon we trust
by bestclipfan on Sep 25, 2009 7:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Heh
Bestclipfan and LJ must have really big faith in themselves… LOL
by JackduhSun on Sep 27, 2009 1:32 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
not me I suck at playing Basketball :)
but I was thinking of like say a John Wall or some other future draft picks.
In Gordon we trust
by bestclipfan on Sep 27, 2009 9:18 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
BD
I have a lot of faith in Baron Davis.
Nice write up by SP, and it’s interesting to see that BD is the guy in the middle. Three outstanding young guys on top, but adding Andre Miller to the older guy category adds another team where BD can push and be effective. The same is true for the young guys like Conley and Westbrook.
My impression is that BD was really rocked by the FElton decision. It left him confused, and took away his idea that he could add leadership to a team with a marquee player and some nice weapons. Instead, he had to wonder why FElton was going out, while he was moving in to a new situation, and all of a sudden, looking around, there were just a bunch of beat-up, marginal guys, and a crazed system.
BD needs to feel comfortable, play with some other talent on the floor, keep things moving and pick his spots. It’s obvious to anyone who watched last year that if he reduces his shooting and the Clippers get into some flow, all of his numbers will go up. So with a healthy lineup and some known talent out on the floor, it shouldn’t be impossible at all. He just has to do his part, and drive on the squad at decisive moments. My guess is that he’s well aware of all of this and knows his role, especially with so many younger guys on the team.
by citizen zhiv on Sep 24, 2009 9:21 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Nice hopeful . . . fiction / pop psychology
Reality – BD likely knew what EB was going to do. They were friends. I personally saw the two of them together a couple of weeks after EB bolted and they were thick as thieves.
BD was rocked by the reality of playing for MDSr and the 1950s style slow it down offense, particularly after MDSr promised us all he’d run up tempo.
Perhaps he’ll buy into it this year because MDSr has a young stud athletic who will do better up tempo too and he’ll have to turn them loose.
Zhiv, you know I love your posts, but sometimes we disagree.
by Jax on Sep 24, 2009 11:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No Way He Knew
I don’t think that FElton even knew what he was going to do. And just as FElton went into communications shut down with GMMDSr, I don’t think that he ever called BD and said that he was thinking of bailing out on the Clippers.
I know how you give us insider information on occasion Jax, and it somehow usually seems to serve your purposes, but that doesn’t matter. I will tell you that my own, rare bit of insider info tells me that BD is a professional and a businessman (with Magic Johnson as a strong role model), and he has moved past FElton’s surprising move, but he was and is still disappointed, and he was probably shocked. I would say that he probably accepts it, but it’s the type of thing where he shakes his head when FElton’s name comes up. Bill Simmons asked him about it in the post-trade deadline “doughnut interview,” and I believe that he said there that it was a surprise.
My detached perception of BD is that he’s a good, social, fun, generally polite guy, who can probably separate business from hanging out with FElton. I don’t think that he harbors any deep resentment and ill-will towards FElton, but FElton’s falked-up move was the first domino in what turned out to be a disastrous season for BD and the Clips.
BD needs to own the responsibility for his role in the 0809 catastrophe, and my guess is that he will, and he will show up determined and focused.
by citizen zhiv on Sep 25, 2009 2:25 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Hmmmm
Apparently I have “purposes.” I wonder what they are. Do I think MDSr’s a good coach? No. Do I wish he were a good coach? Of course. But he’s not. Sorry, there is no agenda. Just calling it like I see it. The fact that you seem to think that the team is going to play well every year, and I don’t given who the coach is, doesn’t mean that I have some sort of “purpose.”
I like BD. Ever since he was a Bruin. I believe that he knew what EB was up to. Not only do you not believe that, but apparently you think that if he did have such forknowledge, he’d be a bad person in your eyes. Maybe that’s the difference between us. I like good basketball. I don’t pay much attention to the personalities of the players, unless they detract from the game. You on the other hand apparently want them to be good people – heroes if it were.
Welcome to reality. These guys are not like us. They are multi millionaires. And the NBA is a business. The Clippers were the only team offering BD anywhere near that kind of cash. And he wouldn’t have gotten that offer if they didn’t think EB was staying.
The fact that you continue to actually blame the agent for EB’s departure is laughable. EB leaving was a foregone conclusion. I told you that this would happen four months before it did. EB used to roll his eyes when talking about MDSr. Is he a bad person for thinking that way? I guess in your mind.
Please dont’ take offense, but your assertions are speculation. What do you think BD did wrong last year? Oh I know that’s the conventional wisdom, but let’s get beyond that, shall we? He realized early on that MDSR cannot coach and that he can’t play in MDSR’s offense. BD is a pretty good player, but he cannot play in a structured offense. MDSr knew or should have known that when he signed him for five years at 65M.
What’s going to change now, Zhiv? Answer: Not much unless MDSr guts the playbook or they ignore it like they did when Sam was here. They certainly have the talent. .
by Jax on Sep 25, 2009 10:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Okay
Yeah, the “serve your own purposes” was an unnecessary, unfortunate line. My bad. I should have added the acknowledgment that I was doing the same thing, that my own info was only letting me see what I wanted to see.
We don’t need to go too far back down the well-traveled FElton road, although I do think that it’s an important factor in last season, and thus all of it serves as the prelude for this season.
I’ll leave aside my attitudes about what the players should be. I agree with most of what you are saying, and you’re right about ignoring personalities for the most part. I don’t think about one player or another being a bad person, and it only matters as it relates to the team I happen to root for. I don’t “like” Andre Miller because of his Clipper tenure, and I want him to fail in Portland. But I’ll say that we do see a lot of personality out on the basketball court—the game is fairly transparent that way, and that’s part of what makes it so interesting and fun to watch and analyze. Brandon Roy is a player I happen to like quite a bit. I’m very curious to see not only what the mix is like in Portland with him and Miller, but what my own response to it will be. I do know that I will want the Clippers to beat them and be the better team. And I also know that I’d rather have Nate McMillan coaching the Clippers than MDSr, but that’s not going to happen.
If FElton rolled his eyes about CMDSr, then all I’m saying is that BD will roll his eyes about FElton. BD obviously would have rolled his eyes about CMDSr for all or most of last year, it should be added. I’d say that BD wouldn’t be rolling his eyes about CMDSr now, not yet at least, because he knows he has to raise the level of his own play and do his part first. He can’t blame it all on Dunleavy right now.
My own hopes and optimism for Clipper success just happen to be the way that I choose to be a fan. There are a lot of factors. I happen to choose to emphasize and be frustrated by injuries. If FElton hadn’t blown out his achilles, 0708 would have been a very different season, especially with Kaman’s level of preparation, Maggette and the arrival of Thornton. With Camby’s preseason injuries and then Kaman’s, amongst others, 0809 was a nightmare. The departure of FElton was a factor, and it was compounded by the injuries.
But CMDSr’s coaching was also a huge problem, no doubt. To say that he “can’t coach” seems like an overstatement that isn’t especially helpful, but it gets the point across. I’ve said before that my theory is that CMDSr is a horrible, stubborn, unimaginative coach in circumstances where he is undermanned and faced with conflicts. He’s not innovative or creative. When he’s playing Mardy Collins or Josh Powell he takes the same approach as when he has Sam Cassell or FElton, and the fact is that you’re not going to win and it’s not going to work. That’s the time that you play different guys and try new things. We need to remember that it took him a long time to play Al Thornton and Eric Gordon. He didn’t play DeAndre Jordan unless he absolutely had to, in a season where the Clips won 19 games and his starting center was out for most of the season.
All that being said, CMDSr’s approach is to build a strong, balanced roster, play defense, rebound, exploit matchups, cut down on mistakes. He pushes offseason preparation in a way that never happened with the Clippers before he came , seen clearly in 0506 FElton and 06-07 Kaman, and I think we’ll see it even more clearly this year with the new training facility in place for the entire summer. With the right personnel (provided by GMMDSr), it’s a winning strategy, as evidenced by 05-06 and his successful year at Portland. But he needs to have a strong, even dominant team. He doesn’t know how to make compromises and good play out of talented players who may have limitations. We saw this early on, when Chris Wilcox was a much better basketball player than a raw, mistake-prone Kaman, but Dunleavy couldn’t mold Wilcox into the player that he wanted him to be. He sacrificed wins and a chance to compete for a playoff spot. He did the same thing with Ross/Maggette and in lots of other examples. It’s actually kind of a nightmare, because he has a knack for making a bad situation worse, and that’s why he’s lost so many games through the course of his career.
But the question today is what happens and how he fares in a good situation. He inspired FElton to raise his play to MVP-level in 0506 and got great results, even with Maggette’s injury. He was on the same page with Cassell, because Cassell produced results. He pushed to get the training facility built and has professionalized a once-pathetic and laughable organization. Now, after reaching the depths in 0809, the Griffin pick and restored health and commitment seem to have created another good situation. It’s the type of team, with talent, experience, and depth, that he knows how to run, that should fit his system. Those are the current “changes,” from my point of view.
All sorts of things could happen and they will. It’s going to be fun and interesting.
by citizen zhiv on Sep 26, 2009 9:49 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't read all
but did you mention the Jon Lucas hiring?
Toward the end of last season, I didn’t think Dunleavy could possibly be in the situation to where he could get the fan base to give him another chance, but he’s had a very good off-season (dumping randolph, adding depth, netting Lucas) along with the luck of Blake Griffin, and miraculously he’s in a pretty good position to succeed.
It remains to be seen whether he can reach the players and lead them to the playoffs, and if we don’t get any clutch shooting the 4th quarters could be very painful yet again.
by ghost_ride on Sep 26, 2009 12:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well written
Consider me in this camp as well- I have faith that Baron will step it up this year.
by D.J. Foster on Sep 25, 2009 12:03 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great Article
We’ve been due for a breakdown like this…
If the Clippers are running for a playoff nomination, then BD is definitely the swing vote. Last year, he showed us how poorly he’s capable of playing. If you put video of the preseason and opening night up against games from the middle of the season the difference in effort and enthusiasm jumps off the page. Pretty much all of the excitement last year was due to what BD would do to our offense.
What happened was that BD quickly realized he didn’t have much of a team around him. He didn’t buy into what Dunleavy was preaching because that would require effort and change, and let’s face it MDSr already has a hard time getting guys to buy in. But if there were potential there, running or not running would have been a relevant issue. Taking a look at Mike Taylor’s play v.s. BD’s play last year, it seems clear the PG could run if he wanted to, but remember running requires effort and getting in shape…things I doubt BD was interested in after just getting paid and with a below average cast of characters around.
Fast forward to this year. Talent/Potential is obviously here like it’s never been. There are 2 top draft picks both two years removed from high school, and third that had lottery potential. That’s 3/5 of a national all star team from the class of 2007. Luckily, that was a good year for talent translating to the NBA. More than likely, these guys need some time to blossom, but from what we’ve seen from EJ’s rookie season and from what Griffin did in college the last two years, you have to feel pretty good about taking your chances with these guys. It’s not like they’re just out of high school, or true rookies like EJ was last year. They can be good Right Now.
Center is another story. We’re stacked in depth, but there’s not really a blue blood among the group. However, if health can be on their side and if DeAndre can make a jump then this can be a very well above average position for us.
Adding Rasual Butler and Telfair were also big additions to bolster big weaknesses we had from last year. Back up PG, and SF in general.
The ingredients/groceries are there, but really anything can happen with this team. Part of all the excitement comes with a bit of anxiety.
by ghost_ride on Sep 25, 2009 9:19 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Ghost you hit the nail right on the head...
“Part of all the excitement comes with a bit of anxiety.”
by ClipperLifer on Sep 25, 2009 9:24 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nice post
The Clips indeed have the goods, aka groceries. Nice note on the anxiety that goes along with excitement, anticipation, the unknown, and the Clippers.
by citizen zhiv on Sep 25, 2009 2:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
slightly OT
but has anyone heard anything about ricky davis? is he healthy? is he expected to play regular minutes this season? Motivation is obviously an issue, as is health, but i feel like he could also contribute to this team. i guess you could consider him to be another “if” for this season.
by AtotheZ on Sep 25, 2009 10:46 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
More thoughts on Boom Dizzle
I wrote an article about Baron Davis on my blog a couple of weeks ago, & I also talk about his PER and how last year seemed like a statistical anomaly. If anyone’s interested in checking it out, go to: http://fullyclips.com/2009/09/15/clipper-player-profile-baron-davis/
by FullyClips.com on Sep 29, 2009 4:36 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

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