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Tim Thomas Trivia Time

I'm supposed to be writing something about the Mavericks, and looking over their roster I came across our old friend former Clipper Tim Thomas.  I was wondering if Thomas might be able to help the Mavs this season, but then I started thinking about his well-traveled career.  It turns out, you could amuse yourself for quite some time with Tim Thomas trivia (or at least, I could).

For instance, try these question:

  • Name an NBA player who was twice traded for Keith Van Horn?  Answer: Tim Thomas.  When Thomas and Van Horn were draft picks in 1997, the Nets traded Thomas to the Sixers as part of a seven player deal.  Turns out, former Clipper rebounding champ Michael Cage, and Fox Sports studio analyst Don MacLean were also in that trade.  Small world.  (See I told you this was fun.)
  • Name an NBA player who was twice traded from the Knicks to the Bulls?  Answer: Tim Thomas.  There are probably other players, in the history of the NBA, for whom this is true.  Of course players get traded a lot, but doesn't that strike you as somewhat odd?  The same player, traded from team A to team B twice within four years?  I wonder how often that happens?

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But here's the one that really must be unique.

Name an NBA player who received multi-million dollar contract buy outs from the same team twice?  Answer:  Tim Thomas.

The Bulls bought out Thomas in March of 2006 and again this summer.  And I'm not talking about some guy trying to make a roster on a non-guaranteed contract and getting waived in training camp.  Some fringe NBA guy has probably been waived dozens of times.  I'm talking about a guy on a multi-million dollar guaranteed contract. 

Think about it.  Guys get overpaid all the time, and then their contract becomes a burden, and if they can't be traded, eventually they get bought out.  Steve Francis, Stephon Marbury, Mo Taylor.  It happens all the time.  But usually those guys get a huge stigma and can't sign another large contract.  How many 'overpaid bought-out' guys actually turn around and sign another contract that is of sufficient size and duration that they actually have to be bought out AGAIN?  Fool me once....  I can't think of any other player to whom this has happened.  Can you?  It tells you something about the tantalizing talent that is Tim Thomas.  Milwaukee gave him a 6/$67M contract based almost entirely on that potential.  Then, six years later, after the guy had proved over and over that he wasn't worth anywhere close to that money, the Clipper gave him 4/$24M.  A lot less to sure, but still as it turned out too much.

Chicago bought Thomas out of the final year of his Bucks deal back in 2006 (he was due to make $14M in that season), and although there were only about 6 weeks left in the season at the time, he hadn't been a part of the team for most of the year to that point.  Then, this summer they bought him out of the last year of his Clipper deal, about $6.5M.  That's a lot of money the Bulls have paid Thomas over the years to simply go away.

As for the Clippers, it certainly has turned out to be an ill-advised signing.  But at least they were able to deal him before they had to buy him out.

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Poor TT

maybe if he played with a some effort then he would be known for more then killing the Lakers once in the playoffs.

In Gordon we trust

by bestclipfan on Sep 6, 2009 6:19 PM PDT reply actions  

Ugh!

The thought of “brick Thomas” being paid such outrageous amounts of money when he was such a lazy clipper makes me sick. The dude spent more time doing his dumb hand gestures than trying to get good shots for our team. Thank goodness he’s no longer in a clips uniform!!

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by Clipperoo on Sep 6, 2009 6:35 PM PDT via mobile reply actions  

Possibly

I didn’t like him as a player but I heard he was a pretty nice guy when you met him in person.

In Gordon we trust

by bestclipfan on Sep 6, 2009 8:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

I heard TT shoots a lot of 3's? is it true? and whats his 3PT% made?

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by tomkanti on Sep 6, 2009 8:42 PM PDT reply actions  

I meant he shot a lot of 3's but whats his percentage made?

War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength.-1984 George Orwell.

by tomkanti on Sep 6, 2009 8:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

Not to go into statistics (too lazy to look it up)

but while with the Clippers, I actually don’t recall Tim Thomas shooting of 3’s and even if he did, he didn’t make alot of them.

Mike Smith on Eric Gordon: "The Clippers may have found their go to scorer."
On a second note, I want Novak back!

by JackduhSun on Sep 6, 2009 9:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

So, then, Jackduh, what's your point?

That you’re too lazy to look it up, or that you don’t recall… or you just post for no discernible reason?

by John Raffo on Sep 6, 2009 9:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

I guess your eyes are half blind

as it goes on even further. But clearly my “theory” or whatever you want to call it was correct, as PaperClip pointed out, 37% average and 1.2 per game.

Mike Smith on Eric Gordon: "The Clippers may have found their go to scorer."
On a second note, I want Novak back!

by JackduhSun on Sep 7, 2009 10:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

Thomas' 3-point numbers in his 2 full seasons with the Clippers:

’06-07: 1.8 makes on 4.7 attempts in 27 minutes per game (3rd among PFs, 22nd overall in both makes and attempts, more than Kyle Korver, Jason Kapono, Al Harrington, Chauncey Billups, Manu Ginobili, Dirk Nowitzki, etc. 38.2% ranked 6th among PFs and 42nd overall)

’07-08: 1.3 makes on 4.3 attempts in 30.8 minutes per game (4th in attempts, T-6th in makes among PFs)

by d2s4ui1 on Sep 8, 2009 1:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

TT isn't bad....

as a 6th man or even a 4th or 5th option on the offense. The problem occurs when he becomes your #1-3 options, which is sorta what happened during the 07-08 season, due to the Clips injury situation. Expectations rise, he has to shoot a lot more since the other options on the floor include Paul Davis and Brevin Knight and QRoss, disaster ensues. Truthfully, his Clippers contract wasn’t too bad, 7-8 mil for his services aren’t too outrageous…he is relatively healthy. Then again, he plays at 80% effort most of the time….

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by oasisman on Sep 7, 2009 12:30 AM PDT reply actions  

At this point in his career, if he is starting for you, you're screwed

But he is a good off-the-bench guy. I’ve never seen him play his @$$ off either, so

"I shoot so many 3's because I can't shoot 4's" -Antoine Walker

by LACK on Sep 7, 2009 6:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

A Poor Man's Randolph

Tim reminds me of Zach a lot because at points where we couldn’t generate any offense at all, he was a guy who could carry us.

They both have had countless character assaults and the stigma of being a bad teammate. Obviously Zach is was a much better and consistent option, but let’s just see how we end up without either of them on our team this year.

by ghost_ride on Sep 7, 2009 3:44 AM PDT reply actions  

TIm Thomas... Zach?

I really don’t see the correlation there. Zach was a beast on offense and was generally reliable most of the time. With Tim Thomas, you really didn’t know what you were going to get. Somedays he’ll make some 3’s, the next he’ll look like Yoraslav Koralev.

Mike Smith on Eric Gordon: "The Clippers may have found their go to scorer."
On a second note, I want Novak back!

by JackduhSun on Sep 7, 2009 10:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

Tim Thomas has also been traded for a washed-up Larry Hughes

I’m going to research whether Thomas also got traded for Brian Scalabrine and Michael Olowokandi. My first guess is yes…..

"I shoot so many 3's because I can't shoot 4's" -Antoine Walker

by LACK on Sep 7, 2009 6:44 AM PDT reply actions  

Yeah, but that's about most NBA's...

It’s usually around September when the news slowly die down and we get more excited over next season.

Mike Smith on Eric Gordon: "The Clippers may have found their go to scorer."
On a second note, I want Novak back!

by JackduhSun on Sep 7, 2009 10:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

too many former Sixers (and bums) mentioned in this post

TT, Hughes, Van Horn, Mac Lean… great list of stiffs

I remember I was upset when we traded Thomas (for Ty Hill) and the move was decisive in building a Sixers team that went to the Finals. That’s when I realized that Larry Brown knows more bball than me

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by Ricky - Sixers4guidos on Sep 8, 2009 2:41 PM PDT reply actions  

Brick Thomas should retire already.

What did he shoot like one shot in the playoffs for the Bulls last season.

by HVYDRT007 on Sep 8, 2009 3:20 PM PDT reply actions  

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