Clippers 94 vs. Miami 84 - Game Recap - The Momentum is Real
The Clippers never trailed today at Staples Center, dominating the Miami Heat on the way to their fourth straight double digit victory 94-84. It was an impressive performance (ignoring the meaningless fourth quarter, in which Dwyane Wade didn't even play). It started with the defense, which was superb. The Clippers have been rotating almost flawlessly during this solid streak of play, and today was arguably their best effort. It matters against the likes of Kobe Bryant and Dwyane Wade, because they will force your defense to scramble, whether it's because you decide to double team them, or because they beat single coverage. They will draw extra defenders at some level, and you have to rotate to the open players. The Clippers are playing significantly better team defense today than they were in November. I think the first three quarters of this game are overall the best the Clippers have played this season.
I'm at Staples, and need to head back to Long Beach, so I'm going to throw a quick post up now, and do some more big picture stuff later. For now, these are essentially the notes I was taking during the game, without a lot of editing.
- The Clippers dominated the first quarter. After the game was tied 12-12, the Clippers closed the quarter 18-8, and nothing came easily for the Heat. Miami got a little lucky to score even eight. They got a Beasley three after a scramble for the ball, and a couple other ugly buckets.
- I don't know how many deflections the Clippers got in the quarter, but it was a lot.
- I couldn't help thinking in the first half how far the Clippers would have been ahead if the Heat hadn't blocked a bunch of easy shots. Not all blocked shots are the same - sometimes you block a shot that may or may not have gone in. The Heat got blocks on multiple layups and bunnies - seemingly out of nowhere. You have to give them credit for not giving up on plays. They blocked 7 shots in the first quarter, and most of those shots should have been points.
- The second quarter started with Al Thornton doing what we hoped he would do as a sixth man - create points for the second unit. On the first three possessions of the quarter, with Baron Davis and Eric Gordon both resting, Thornton scored five points and set up Craig Smith (who made one of two free throws after getting fouled.
- Dwyane Wade was sitting on 2 points a couple minutes into the second quarter when he got a steal and a dunk. The play happened right in front of me and I had a great angle on it. The minute Mardy Collins threw a lazy, left-handed bounce pass, I know Wade was off. From there, he went on to score 9 more points in the quarter in an attempt to get Miami back into the game.
- Kaman's jump shot was off for the second game in a row, but he was awfully good around the basket. He also rebounded like a madman, finishing with 14. Along with Camby (17) and Craig Smith (7), the Clippers big man rotation outrebounded the entire Miami team, 38-36. Overall, the margine was 49-36.
- Because they were getting killed in the middle, Eric Spoelstra played Jamaal Magloire 21 minutes. I think we can call that an act of a desperate man.
- The Clippers (other than Baron) don't seem completely comfortable in an all-out, helter-skelter pace. Eric Gordon's lob to Rasual Butler was simple not good . MDsr mentioned this same thing in his post-game press conference. The team went for the spectacular play a couple of times on the break, when they didn't need it. "Keep it simple." (I don't think that applies to Baron - he can go for the spectacular.) Along those same lines, although it wasn't in transition, Eric's behind the back pass to Kaman in the third was TERRIBLE. There's no reason to make that pass. Keep it simple.
- Watching Marcus Camby every day for the last season and a half I realize something. One of the reasons he is a constant fixture at the top of the charts in rebounding is that he goes after everything. Sometimes, he knows he can't possibly control the rebound, so he'll just slap at it, and sometimes the Clippers get the ball on a tap out or whatever, but of course that doesn't count as a rebound. However, when he slaps the ball towards the rim, it counts as a board. He misses a lot of those taps, but he makes some too. Either way, if he actually gets the ball back up on the rim, it's a rebound, and he gets at least two or three a game on average I'd guess. Other players aren't even trying for those balls.
- I don't think I've ever seen less communication than on the double foul call in the first half. Of course if either Joe Forte or Dick Bavetta is up against 95% of the other refs in the NBA there's no question who wins the debate. But against each other, it's a tie. How can a play have both a charge and a block at the same time? Of course it can't. Instead of assessing two fouls, it would have made more sense to assess no fouls. Either way, it's a strange call. Of course, the Clippers controlled the subsequent jump ball and scored, so it didn't end up hurting them.
- Wade was pissed at half time that they didn't get a stop. He slammed the ball down hard.
- Watch the play early in the second half. EJ scores with a floater, which is great... but it's what happened next that was special. He beat Wade and made the tough floater (a shot I didn't know he had in his arsenal) and then SPRINTED back to pick up Wade on the other end. He got to him quickly, cut him off on the baseline, and then fought over the top of a screen as Wade retreated, forcing an illegal screen call, and getting the ball back for the Clippers. That was a special sequence - to best Wade on both ends of the floor in succession - and it's why he's not just another young shooting guard.
- In the third, the Clippers took a little shot from the Heat, and then beat them back down again.
- Following up on the West/East post from the other day, and realizing that Miami could have had an off game today, this is NOT a good team. Wade is astounding. And Beasley has talent. And the rest of the roster is pathetic. I'm talking 3 through 14 may not be in the league much longer. They play OK defense... but how can they possibly score enough points to win playing essentially two on five?
- Interesting lineup to start the fourth quarter for the Clippers. Chris Kaman and four guys between 6'6" and 6'8" - Mardy Collins at the point and Craig Smith at the four. It got even more interesting a few minutes later when MDsr went to Smith, Thornton, Butler, and the Davises. Of course, with a 21 point lead to start the quarter and Dwyane Wade taking the fourth off, MDsr can be forgiven for experimenting a little. It's too bad he had to come back with Baron, but Mardy was not getting and done, and with Telfair out he had little choice.
- The one thing Mardy has to do if he plays the point is take care of the ball. But today he had three turnovers in 12 minutes. And they were all BAD turnovers, leading directly to points for Miami.
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Thanks for the write up, SP
Damn, I had to miss it. I see AT had a good game on paper. 4 defensive rebounds in 23 minutes, an improvement over the recent past. 3 TOs, though. Overall, how’d he look out there?
Al was good
attacking the basket, and making his shots. He even posterized Magloire
Al
I thought Al played well. In fact, I tought he should have gotten more minutes than he did. I think he played the entire fourth, so only 11 of those minutes came when the game mattered. But he was solid – very active on offense. He would have scored more if he’d gotten some calls – one of the TOs was a dubious charge call, and I thought he got hit hard on another drive as well.
In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd
by Steve Perrin on Jan 10, 2010 10:38 PM PST up reply actions
Let's go Clippers, let's go! [From Cancun on my honeymoon...]
And I’m ecstatic that the Clips are undefeated since I got married on Jan 2. I should get married more often! =)
Awesome game for the Clippers
I have one question for Clipper fans. Am I the only one that thinks the Clippers starting five is one of the best in the entire NBA? I know that the Celtics and Lakers can throw a killer line-up out there, but other than those two teams, the Clippers starting five is better than any teams I can think of. I think this isn’t an over the top statement either as the bench hasn’t been that great all season and yet the Clippers are still playing very good basketball.
"Basketball is life"
How about Memphis
Mayo
Gay
Gasol
Randolph
Conley
Memphis is a good young team
But I would take the Clippers starting five over the Grizzlies.
Gordon has proven that he can shut Mayo down, so I would no doubt take Gordon over Mayo. Gay is a great one on one player, so he might have the edge over Butler, but the way that Butler has been playing the last few weeks, he is starting to grow on me, but Gay wins that matchup. Gasol vs Camby. Gasol lost all that weight and it has shown in his game, but Camby at age 35 is just unbelievable. He plays great defense, blocks shots, rebounds, and is always there to follow up a miss. I will go with Camby becuase of his experience and defensive presence. Kaman vs Randolph isnt even a matchup, lol. WE had Randoplh and he was simply put, a ball chucker. Kaman has more skills than any center currently playing in the NBA. I know Zach can score with the best of them, but the year Kaman is having is something evry special, advantage Kaman. Finally, Conley vs. Baron. Does Conley even play point guard for this team? I sware he gets lost on this team, infact I believe that Jamal Tinsley is getting more PT than Conley. Advantage Baron Davis.
Of course, with the Clippers winning 4 out of the 5 matchups they should beat the Grizzlies on tuesday, but the Memphis bench is a tad bit better than the Clippers bench.
"Basketball is life"
We'll see soon enough
The big thing is BD is destroying other PGs who play with great wings right now. And btw, BD spent a lot of time matched up on DWade and vice versa, and BD did fine. BD is playing with the kind of confidence and authority where he wants Conley, or Tinsley, whoever it is. And then Gordon provides a solid defense/offense against the Roys, Kobes, and Wades, so Mayo isn’t especially scary.
Other teams are letting Randolph beat them and get going, but the Clips and MDSr know what Zbo can do and Camby/Kaman should be prepared. Gasol is tough, but he seems deferential, taking less than 10 shots a game. Gay is the guy who has given the Clips problems. The Clips are playing much better defense and Butler is going good.
But the Funk are tough and funky. Good matchup for the Clips, going on the road.
After that we get to see how the reenergized, authoritative BD (still no nickname for his new incarnation) against Chris Paul.
by citizen zhiv on Jan 10, 2010 6:56 PM PST up reply actions
+1
KA had posted at least two articles saying the Baron-EJ-Kaman-Camby-Butler lineup was statistically one of the five best line-ups in the league. A lot of people were laughing it off because of the small sample size, but does anyone still not agree? With Rasual being on absolute fire, it makes a HUGE difference to the team. I’m loving what I’m seeing out there.
"Buckle your seat belts, folks. This one's doing down to the wire." -The inimitable Ralph Lawler.
by Gordon for President on Jan 11, 2010 9:16 AM PST up reply actions
About Rasual
After trying to force things a bit and be a bit more of a scoring SG in the Thornton-Butler lineup with Gordon out, Butler is flourishing as the 4th option (ahead of Camby) in BDEGRBCKMC. It’s the role that was originally designed for him, and he seems like a great fit right now. He’s loose and unpressured and doing some surprising things, making plays. If he had hit that dunk yesterday it would have been epic.
by citizen zhiv on Jan 11, 2010 12:08 PM PST up reply actions
zhiv
You’re right. Since we acquired him, I was hoping he’d fill the 08-09 Trevor Ariza role for us. Play solid D, and hit the open 3-pointer as the fourth option on offense. He’s doing that now, and wow. You’re right, I hadn’t considered the role he was thrust into as the starting 2.
I was at the game yesterday, even after the dunk was blown, DJ was jumping up and down and there was a palpable energy in the arena. Dare I say, flashbacks to 05-06??
"Buckle your seat belts, folks. This one's doing down to the wire." -The inimitable Ralph Lawler.
by Gordon for President on Jan 11, 2010 12:43 PM PST up reply actions
GM MDSr........
The Clippers should definitely look into signing another PG who can handle the ball. Mardy Collins is probably the worse player on the team. His defense isn’t that great because he’s always gettin’ burned by the opponent. He has no handles, turnover-prone, and the offense does not flow well when he’s at PG. I know Telfair was out today, and Mardy is all we have, but signing or trading for another “true” PG will make the Clippers stronger. No one spectacular, just someone who can handle the ball and control the flow of our offense. Great win today though, props to the whole team!
Mardy Collins Fan Club Response
MC had a rough outing yesterday, although he did hit that 3 and we were hopeful. But let’s cut the guy a break: he hasn’t gotten any minutes or any kind of tryout doing any of this stuff, and his primary focus is being the 4th option playing the wing. So let him play a little bit more and shake some of the rust off.
That being said, there’s all sorts of room for improvement. Now there with be some film for him and the coaches to break down and look at. As the 3rd string PG he needs to be more dynamic and better prepared. He is very slow walking the ball down, and should look at the pace created by the other PGs. The Clips are flourishing now with tough defense, rebounding, and getting out on the break, and MC has to see that he can be more aggressive on defense against the opposing backup PG (should be an area of strength for him), and he’s got to move the ball up more quickly.
Also has to dump the one-hand left-handed pass. Get rid of it: that was two turnovers right there. And use his strength, the way that BD has been doing, to take guys inside and penetrate and see how the opportunities open up.
MC will get better at PG with some study and more minutes. Not sure it’ll be necessary. He was very rusty yesterday.
by citizen zhiv on Jan 11, 2010 12:15 PM PST up reply actions
“I’m talking 3 through 14 may not be in the league much longer.” – SP
That’s a bit harsh, Udonis Haslem, Jermaine O’Neal, Q Rich are definite NBA players as well. They have some young guys like Cook, Wright, Chalmers that should stick in the league. That said they are a flawed team that needs to add a star like Bosh or Boozer to become a top team again.
FA in 2010.
Agreed
& they’ve put up some really good performances this year…even in defeat they took Boston to OT, and really should’ve won that game against the Lakers at Staples, which was back when the Lakers were rolling.
Yea
Kobe hit that miracle 3 to steal that one against the Heat.
FA in 2010.
by ClipperChuck on Jan 10, 2010 10:12 PM PST up reply actions
Hyperbole
Of course I’m exaggerating… but there’s a grain of truth. Other than Haslem (who can be a solid backup 4 for years to come), aren’t all these guys marginal? The young guys like Wright and Chalmers have not convinced me that they’re players. Cook’s so impressive that they don’t even suit him any more – he’s a shooting specialist who can’t make a shot, and not many teams are looking for those. Jermaine appears to be on his last legs. Richardson was traded four times this summer, which says something, right?
I’m sure they’re better than they looked today – they must be to have won 18 games this season. But today the supporting cast was terrible.
In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd
by Steve Perrin on Jan 10, 2010 10:46 PM PST up reply actions
They didn't look good today...
but they looked great against Phoenix on Friday. And that was at Phoenix, where the Suns have blown out elite teams. Miami is a good team in the east, in the west, they would be where we are, maybe a bit better, fighting for the eight seed. When things are falling for them, they can be a very dangerous team. They play sound defense and Beasely is getting better. They will go only as far as Wade can carry them though. Great win by us against a quality team. The confidence is growing internally and externally, now to see if we can steal some games on the road. We do have some very tough games coming up.
by MichaelCage on Jan 10, 2010 11:02 PM PST up reply actions
You are right - Miami is not a good team
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
Yeah
They didn’t look very potent, but the Clips are playing well and have had a good game plan these last 3, related outings. A month ago the Clips could have started slowly and lost focus and gotten torched by some one on that team. It seems that the Clips have stepped up and gotten better because of the challenge of these consecutive opponents and their similariites. Wade can do real damage.
Heat are at 13 and seem to be solid on Stein’s Power Rankings, coming off of their win against Phoenix. And Stein only credits the Clips at 18 with the Laker victory, not mentioning the Roy-Kobe-Wade troika. Seems like this was Sunday morning news, typed in and not feeling like revising for the Monday post.
Road games against Memphis and NO are pretty huge.
by citizen zhiv on Jan 11, 2010 12:20 PM PST up reply actions
The Heat did look horrible as mentioned already. I was at the game and the whole stadium was cheering for DJordan to play especially since it was pretty much garbage time in the middle of the 3rd quarter. Anybody know why Wade played so little in the 2nd half?
by Fan of the Game on Jan 10, 2010 5:47 PM PST reply actions
HE PLAYED SO LITTEL CUZ HE SUCKS!!! LOL
by mujicas_clippers on Jan 10, 2010 5:58 PM PST up reply actions
The Heat never had the lead or a chance in this game
With that said, NBA superstars don’t play in those types of games, lol. In all seriousness, it didn’t matter who the Heat through out there, they weren’t going to beat the Clippers.
"Basketball is life"
Wade
Watching him play is always a treat. He pretty much gets wherever he wants. He’s reminding me a bit of Kobe 2-3 years ago where he’s kind of deflated because he knows his team just can’t compete with the elite teams on a nightly basis without him having a otherworldly game every single night.
FA in 2010.
by ClipperChuck on Jan 10, 2010 6:28 PM PST up reply actions
My thought exactly
I’m pleased with our play though. We should be beating these types of teams handily at home and perhaps we are beginning to do so consistently.
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
Umm did you see him play in the past couple of weeks
DJ definitely doesn’t suck (well he does suck at free throws).
" Baron for the win, BINGO!!!! The Clipers Win, The Clippers win!!! "
Ralph Lawler
Was he talking about DJ or Wade?
I thought he was trying to diss Wade, of course that would be ridiculous as Wade is easily a top 10 player in the NBA right now.
FA in 2010.
by ClipperChuck on Jan 10, 2010 8:23 PM PST up reply actions
one game under .500!!
LETS GO CLIPPERS LETS GOO!!! great win today guys! i hope we can keep this up for the remainder of the season, it seems that our luck has changed everybodys been playing great basketball i think our chemistry is right on the money!!! and like somebdoy said up here that we defenitly (sp?) need a better back up point guard. The B man is killin everybody out so is the K machine!!! now lets get Kaman on that all star roster ASAP!!! GO CLIPPERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by mujicas_clippers on Jan 10, 2010 5:57 PM PST reply actions
i forgot...
THAT WE STILL HAVE GRIFFIN!! HES BACK IN A COUPLE OF GAMES.. JUST IMAGINE THE POSIBILITIES WHEN THIS BEAST RETURNS!!! WERE GONNA MURDER EVERYBDOY !!!! THIS TEAM IS DEFINETLY A PLAYOFF CONTENDER!!
by mujicas_clippers on Jan 10, 2010 6:00 PM PST reply actions
I think the Clippers play very solid D and that is what is helping...
…looking around at other blogs, I see the same thing over and over again. Oh…why did our team play so bad? “it’s not so much as the Clips played well…our team just played bad and shot poorly..”
It’s a trend, and although they may be right….I think a large factor is the Clipper D.
We saw it in Portland with BRoy, we saw it in LA with Kobe and now we saw it again with the Heat.
What had changed since 2009
We basically have the same roster, same coaches from the first day of the season, why all of sudden we had played so well together.
I noticed we are on up tempo offensively, lock down defensively(not exactly lock down, but nearly).
can we maintain current pace night in night out til the end, it would be great new year resolution if we can claim we can win every game.
What has changed
Baron is into the game and is playing well, Kaman is playing like an all star and Sool is on fire so I would say there are a lot of changes from last season even if it is mostly the same players. The players we have are just playing a lot better then last year which is why we are winning.
" Baron for the win, BINGO!!!! The Clipers Win, The Clippers win!!! "
Ralph Lawler
by bestclipfan on Jan 10, 2010 10:55 PM PST up reply actions
Well we technically had the same players but...
most of them missed a lot of games. Kaman virtually most of the season, when he did play he was out of shape from all the time off. Baron was fat and out of shape. Camby missed a bunch of games. The one guy we traded for (ZBo) missed a bunch of games too. We were playing guys like Novak, Freddie Jones, Mardy Collins, two 2nd round picks (Mike Taylor and DJ) a ton of minutes. The roster was obviously devastated by injuries last year.
FA in 2010.
by ClipperChuck on Jan 10, 2010 11:20 PM PST up reply actions
I meant what has changed since November 2009
I knew what has changed since last season, but what has changed since the beginning of this season?
I would say they played with HEART and ENERGY, tons of them.
by Pats fan in CA on Jan 12, 2010 1:49 PM PST up reply actions
Some observations from the fourth row.
I don’t know where to look to verify, but my gut tells me the stats support this… Baron has cut way back on his chucks from deep. There were multiple times in today’s game where he was in a familiar position on the court with a similar amount of time on the 24 second clock. Twenty games ago, he would have absolutely thrown up the three point attempt no matter what. But today and in the prior few games, he has restrained himself and instead distributed the ball and trusted his teammates to execute. It’s just terrific to see.
To respond to Pats fan, we are up tempo offensively BECAUSE we are lock down defensively. It’s not a coincidence. Up tempo is so much easier off of a rebound or steal than after a made basket. If you lock down defensively, up tempo becomes a viable option (unless you’re the Suns or Warriors, then you can do it whenever you want).
Without question, today was the best attended 12:30 start game I’ve been to (a lot of D Wade fans).
Clips didn’t take a quarter to get warmed up like they did earlier in the season. Just started solidly and progressed from there.
I’m going to have to move back a few rows to avoid being blinded by Griffin’s yellow vest.
Clipper Darrell started in his normal seats but came over to the other side of the arena and sat two rows behind me for the second half. That dude can YELL. My six year old son couldn’t stop laughing every time CD started a chant. Some humor is timeless.
"Not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted" – Albert Einstein
by Another son of Mike Smith on Jan 10, 2010 8:30 PM PST reply actions
Clipper Darrell
I brought my nephew (8 year old) to the game. Clipper Darrell sits in front of us and the kids love him. The kids were also amazed when they could hear him when he moved across the stadium (to where you were).
FA in 2010.
by ClipperChuck on Jan 10, 2010 8:51 PM PST up reply actions
Baron
speaking of Baron he actually shot it really poorly today (2-10) BUT he made a big three near the end of the game that iced it for us while the Heat were making a small comeback. Baron definitely has a flair for the dramatic and is clearly the most comfortable amongst our guys with that responsibility.
He is taking less 3s and he’s taking it to the hole a lot more than before. While his FG is still sort of low I almost want to count some of his shots as half assists as though he may miss the tough layup, because he is forcing the defense to collapse it is creating a lot of second chance opportunities for the bigs, Camby in particular.
FA in 2010.
by ClipperChuck on Jan 10, 2010 8:54 PM PST up reply actions
Agreed.
I’m totally fine with a low shooting percentage if they’re high percentage attempts (if that makes sense). It’s the endless chucking that constituted a real problem IMHO. I think he’s just viewing the offensive options differently, which is a huge step forward. It comes down to trust, which is something he has referenced lately.
"Not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted" – Albert Einstein
by Another son of Mike Smith on Jan 10, 2010 10:51 PM PST up reply actions
Good point on Baron
In today’s game, he took 4 threes – BUT three of those were in the fourth quarter, late in shot clocks, when the Clippers were really just running clock – so he was just getting the ball on the rim. The fourth was at the end the first half, in a two for one situation. And other than that, the rest of his shot attempts were in the paint, really at the rim. So there weren’t really any ill-advised jumpers at all in this game. Watching Baron, you get the impression he’d rather pass than shoot anyway – and that’s what he’s doing really well. So he ends up 2 for 10 in this game – but it wasn’t really a problem.
In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd
by Steve Perrin on Jan 10, 2010 11:00 PM PST up reply actions
As long as he keeps getting double digit assists
I will be okay with him not shooting or scoring much.
" Baron for the win, BINGO!!!! The Clipers Win, The Clippers win!!! "
Ralph Lawler
by bestclipfan on Jan 10, 2010 11:03 PM PST up reply actions
I didn’t really count today’s fourth quarter for much of anything (except to see what we would do when the Heat made a bit of a run against our second and third stringers), but for the shots that mattered you got the overall point. Bottom line is it appears he’s adjusting his shot mix due to having more options to distribute to legit scoring threats. My gut tells me he has done that in the last five games or so… at least it feels that way to me.
"Not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted" – Albert Einstein
by Another son of Mike Smith on Jan 10, 2010 11:41 PM PST up reply actions
Clippers are 7-1 with Rasual in the starting lineup
That was the stat I got off of Miami’s SB Nation site. His spacing and defensive rotations are impressive. Definitely feeling good.
That's a wonderful stat
He started off the season extremely cold (save the Nuggets game). In the past month however he’s been terrific.
This is not counting today’s game (which was a typical game for him recently).
13.5 ppg, 2.2 3PTM, 3 Reb with excellent percentages (.475 fg and .933 ft). I definitely hope to see more rebounding from our wings (both Butler and EJ are terrible rebounders) to help out our bigs as Camby and Kaman are good rebounders (and Blake should be as well).
FA in 2010.
by ClipperChuck on Jan 10, 2010 9:43 PM PST up reply actions
What a difference. Is it the milk?
I want to see Sool’s PER through to December, compared with his PER since then. I suspect his recent play is double was it was.
Milk?
That was Kaman wasn’t it?
Not sure where to find a PER based on a specific range. ESPN and some other stat sites only have the YTD averages.
FA in 2010.
by ClipperChuck on Jan 10, 2010 10:08 PM PST up reply actions
Milk: Good for cats, good for Kaman, good for Clippers
And thanks for thinking about the PER question. I’ll speak up if I find something
Great stat... not true, but a great stat
Did the site say with Butler starting at small forward? Butler started a bunch of games WITH Al Thornton while Eric was hurt, and the Clippers lost most of those. But I’d believe that this stating lineup is 7-1.
In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd
by Steve Perrin on Jan 10, 2010 10:53 PM PST up reply actions
Ah, true, didn't think about that.
EJ did miss a lot of games and the Clippers most certainly lost more than 1 game. I’m assuming it’s with him in the starting lineup with the current lineup in place. Thanks, Steve!
by yaggiefresh on Jan 11, 2010 12:07 AM PST up reply actions
Correction--and a few thoughts
The Kaman-Camby-Sool-Gordon-Davis starting lineup is 7-1, as SP points out.
The thing is, it’s a sequence. The effect of Gordon’s absence with the groin pull needs to be recognized. It was a major swing, and set the Clips off kilter. Butler tried to play a different role in Gordon’s absence, and he became subpar in a hurry. Kaman wasn’t drinking the milk yet, when Gordon came back. Thornton emerged, and he made a big adjustment to his game, but it took from games 15-25 to get things sorted out and back to the direction they were headed in at the start of the season, with everybody going strong.
BD seems like he really knows how he wants to play with these guys, with Kaman and everybody else, and the team is doing a great job playing defense and rebounding. Remember how their rebounding was so poor a month ago? It didn’t make sense. Kaman’s effort on the boards tonight was impressive, and he seemed more active, stronger and longer than he has all year. His rebounds are piling up, and that’s with Camby taking a ton of them too.
The amazing thing with Kaman in this game was that he didn’t hit a single jumper, and he was still a huge factor, killing the Heat. How many games can a guy have between 22-27 points? Today he goes something like 0-10 on jumpers and finds yet another way not to get 30. I need to look at the box score.
by citizen zhiv on Jan 10, 2010 11:52 PM PST up reply actions
Kaman 10-24; Camby and Kaman-Camby
Which is kind of impressive, in its own way. Part of Kaman 3.0: volume shooter.
Kaman-Camby. One thing that happens with Kaman as a jump shooter is the offensive rebound opportunities it creates for Camby. Perhaps we’re not talking about Camby enough in this current resurgence. The fact is that the Clips and their solid starting lineup have three pretty quiet players: Gordon, Butler, and Camby. Not talking about Camby is also not talking about Kaman-Camby, and how we’re really seeing it for the first time and the way that it’s gelling. Camby is extremely professional, he plays hard and hustles and moves really well, especially for an old guy. He’s a big asset.
Great rebounders seem to have certain things in common. Hustle and the desire to make plays and just go after the ball to grab rebounds is only one part of it. They have their tricks, and the things that they do to get position. A big part of it is focus. When you don’t have a large offensive arsenal, like a Rodman and to a lesser extent Camby, the focus on playing the carom is naturally increased. But as SP notes, Camby has some nice tricks. His swipe technique for blocking shots is coming into clearer view, seeing it this year. Other guys on the Clips are copying it and doing it too. But the slicing offensive rebound from the high post is Camby’s main play, and when Kaman is going up for a shot he’ll go to the basket every time. He uses his length really well on the defensive glass. It was really great to see him and Kaman dominate the boards today—one of the reasons why there was never any nervous time in the game (as DJF points out in his notes) was the way that the Clips got so many uncontested defensive rebounds in the first 3 quarters. They were dominant.
As good as Kaman-BD is going, Kaman-Camby is gelling nicely too. I don’t know why people (including Milph at times—I think Ralph corrected Mike on this today) don’t understand that Kaman didn’t really play last year. He played a little bit with BD at the beginning of the season and even less with Camby, and BD and Camby were both hurt during the preseason. And that preseason injury and its lingering tweak was a big part of the reason why BD was in such horrible shape last year—he must have been expecting to play himself into shape in preseason and during the season, but the injury prevented that. And it’s a flawed, old school approach anyway. The level of fitness and commitment from BD and Kaman is really paying dividends here approaching midseason. BD, Kaman, and Camby have had the games and court time to figure out how to play together, and it shows. Losing Eric Gordon for 6 games made for an extra rocky start, as he’s a crucial element as well. But the Clips are rolling along nicely now because these guys are together and know what they have to do.
Wish I could say it was never in doubt, and it’s still extremely fragile. But it’s fun stuff.
by citizen zhiv on Jan 11, 2010 12:36 AM PST up reply actions
the way
ej is playing defense he should get some consideration for 2nd team all defense. at the very least honorable mention.
Never ever happen my friend
The All defense team is the biggest joke award in the NBA. It’s like the grammy of the NBA. I forget who votes for it (either coaches or journalists) but defense is so subjective, and a lot of people just don’t get it. So it’s all about reputation. Gordon is years away from getting on to an all defense team. In fact, I’d guess that no second year player has ever made an all defense team.
In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd
by Steve Perrin on Jan 10, 2010 10:56 PM PST up reply actions
+1
it is always just a list of super stars. There is no way Kobe should be on the all defensive team, while guys like Shane Battier who are the real defensive stoppers get left off.
" Baron for the win, BINGO!!!! The Clipers Win, The Clippers win!!! "
Ralph Lawler
by bestclipfan on Jan 10, 2010 10:58 PM PST up reply actions
Getting Better
This is definitely the best stretch of ball of the BD era. The point about him curtailing his 3 jacks is important…it seems like he’s actually believing in the team’s potential and is finally involved in something valuable. Respect is being gained, slowly but surely.
The biggest single factor that’s lead to this type of play (other than health) is probably the emergence of Rasual Butler’s fit into the starting lineup. There seems like there’s real chemistry on the team, on both sides of the court. On offense, there is more of a real pecking order with Kaman being the bread & butter, and with EJ & Butler both capable of hitting big shots when we need them. Camby can focus on offensive rebounding, facilitating, and using the element of surprise with an occasional timely cuts to the hoop. Defensively, there’s no coincidence that there’s better communication and execution, you can literally see the Clippers play team defense for the first time in years.
There is no selfishness. The only guy with an ego is the guy with the ball in his hands, and that’s the way you want it. Seeing him getting along with Dunleavy almost feels like unreality.
The mantra of keeping the record near .500 before BG plays is now pretty much happening. In looking at the schedule just a couple of weeks ago, to pull off the trifecta of Portland, Lakers, Miami didn’t seem possible, but here we are. We’re now faced with perhaps even a bigger challenge with Memphis, New Orleans on the road and the Lakers with revenge on their minds on Friday. Winning 1 is a must, 2 would be raising the bar even higher.
Yea, tough stretch
Memphis is playing well, the Hornets have won 6 straight and the Lakers figured to be pissed off and will likely have Pau back by then. Still I can live with the odds if our team plays like it has the past 3 games.
FA in 2010.
by ClipperChuck on Jan 10, 2010 10:11 PM PST up reply actions
Same here...we've been focused and playing great...
I didn’t like the way we finished though…this team can’t afford to pick up any bad habits. Take care of the ball and play smart and focused for 48 minutes and we will have a chance against Memphis, Hornets, Lakers and Cavs. They are all tough teams, playing very well, and on their home court. Cleveland is a good road team, we need to limit our turnovers against them and our help defense against Lebron has to be smart.
by MichaelCage on Jan 10, 2010 11:06 PM PST up reply actions
Coaching
I haven’t read through all the comments, so someone may have already touched on this subject. I know SP mentioned some of this in his recap.
I’m really liking the game plans I’ve seen out of MDsr & Company over the course of our resurgence. Tonight’s strategy of forcing the scrubs to beat us was the perfect approach. Wade was his usual amazing self, but we did a great job of shutting down the supporting cast. The had no other viable options that we’re working, and I think our defense was the culprit.
We also been pushing the tempo quite a bit more, and it’s paying dividends. Baron looks incredibly comfortable, even giddy with the way we’ve been attacking of late. (Not to mention, it’s a hell of a lot of fun to watch)
All in all I think we’re gelling as a unit and finding out what works. I’m rather shocked at the quality of basketball we’re playing. Maybe I shouldn’t be.
Viva Los Clippers.
At least I'm also a Redskins fan... oh wait. My sports life sucks.
I think the team did a good job on Wade as well...
I don’t think it is the tempo being pushed, but the defense getting better.
The more legitimate stops the team gets, the more chances there are to run in transition.
Defense
Have to partially agree with you. Our vastly improved defense has created a lot of easy buckets for us. But I’ve also noticed us pushing the ball up the court, even on plays subsequent to a scored basket by our opponent. I’ve even seen some hail marys from some of our bigs upcourt for layups.
We just look like a completely different team.
Either way you slice it, we’re playing SO MUCH better over this recent stretch.
At least I'm also a Redskins fan... oh wait. My sports life sucks.
If you listen to BD, it's both
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.

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