Arnovitz apologizes to Randolph
It needed to be said. I though Arnovitz was completely out of line on several occasions last year with the way he bashed Randolph (before Randolph even showed up in LA no less.) Even after Randolph showed up and many of the citizens of CN realized that Randolph (while overpaid) is actually rather good, Arnovitz continued on his crusade. I'm glad Arnovitz acknowledged that some of it had to do with Zach's appearance. Too many people looked at Randolph, saw that he was overweight and assumed he was lazy. I'll admit, as someone who is an unabashed Randolph fan, Arnovitz position on him and scapegoating made me tune him out as a writer.
Arnovitz needed to apologize and I'm glad he did.
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ZBO is a STUD, Hands Down,
and only if GMMDsr. had a Crystal Ball so he could of seen into the Future that 2009-10 ZBO would be the Hottest Player in the NBA and the Grizz Would be in 7Th. Place in the west at half Season because of ZBO. Just think he was a bonafide 20/10 guy when we traded him too give Minutes to an unproven Rook that ended up not even playing.
Where Is Doc Brown when you need him.
Everything starts out New, Gets Old and Dies or is Destroyed.
It was the right trade now and its the right trade even now
At the end of the day we still added Craig Smith, Telfair and Butler as a result of making the trade. And we’ve already won more games than we have last year so I think its a trade that benefited both teams. We had a logjam at the 4 and 5 in the offseason and it made sense to move one of those redundant bigs and we got a very cap friendly deal from the Grizz. Both Kaman and Camby have played well this year so the drop off from them to Zbo is negligible, so while obviously we’d be a deeper team in the front court but we’d be even thinner in the backcourt.
FA in 2010.
by ClipperChuck on Jan 27, 2010 3:40 PM PST up reply actions
How is Sool involved with the ZBO trade?
No matter what anyone says, Trading ZBO for what we did was a Complete Blunder.
Everything starts out New, Gets Old and Dies or is Destroyed.
Simple
ZBo made a lot more than Q Rich (who we traded for Telfair and Craig Smith). The difference in salary created a trade exception, much of which the Clippers used to acquire Butler from the Hornets for nothing. So in a way it was a 3 for 1 move. It was not a complete blunder, we won 19 games total last year, we already won 20 a little over halfway through the season. Obviously in hindsight (which is always 20/20) we could really use ZBo since Griffin was unfortunately unable to play all year. Just a string of horrendous luck which is of course normal Clippers luck.
FA in 2010.
by ClipperChuck on Jan 27, 2010 7:24 PM PST up reply actions
Sool was traded for a Draft pick, we still retain the Trade exception from the ZBO trade.
If anything we lost money after waiving Maddog. Also Sool is a Brick sent to us from NOH just to sabotage our team. Bassy well enough said there and sure Rhino has his moments as of late but to compare him to ZBO is like compairing a KIA to a Lambo.
Now I do know we are one win over last season but we just lost to the Nets and you are right Hindsight is 20/20 but how many more blunders will DTS put up with before he Fires MDsr. and Kim Hughes so we can finally win.
Everything starts out New, Gets Old and Dies or is Destroyed.
Wrong again
We have part of the TE left from the Randolph trade (it was originally like 8 million) but much of it is gone with the Butler deal. Sool is not a brick, he’s actually a real rotation player. Now we’d be much better off if he was a bench player instead of playing heavy minutes but he’s still an upgrade over Ricky Davis.
ZBo is definitely no Lambo, I know were upset about the loss but cmon wake up a little.
FA in 2010.
by ClipperChuck on Jan 29, 2010 1:14 AM PST up reply actions
Sorry but you are Wrong on all counts,
From HoopHype.com
Wednesday, August 12
New Orleans traded forward Rasual Butler to the Los Angeles Clippers for a conditional future second-round pick.
Also ZBO is a Lambo and I would take him over any PF in the league right now.
Everything starts out New, Gets Old and Dies or is Destroyed.
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Everything starts out New, Gets Old and Dies or is Destroyed.
Well ZBO was a chucker
He has most def turned things around this year, but I think that has everything to do with winning. Winning changes players, just like losing changes palyers. If only the Clippers can get over that .500 mark this year, maybe Kaman and Baron will change their ways. I only include Kaman b/c he needs to work on passing out of double teams, and he needs to trely on his teammates when his shot isn’t falling. Baron, well he just needs to stop shooting anything outside of 15 feet.
"Basketball is life"
He has most def turned things around this year, but I think that has everything to do with winning. Winning changes players, just like losing changes palyers.
That is circular logic. He has changed because they are now winning? Surely the fact that he is playing at an elite level is much of the reason for their success.
And calling Zbo a chucker on last years team seems misplaced, since Randolph and Gordon were the only two scorers on the team. Who would you rather have shoot the ball? Mardy Collins, Fred Jones, Mike Taylor, Alex Acker?
by Michael White on Jan 27, 2010 2:05 PM PST up reply actions
Michael White
Are you just waiting around your computer just to respond to everything I say? Everyone will tell you that ZBO is a chucker, my goodness how is that even a question or a de-bate. ZBO is playing great basketball now, but do you really think that he would continue this level of play if they did not continue to win?
Listen, last year with the Clipper he shot 18 shots a game, he also shot atleast 2 3 pointers a game. This year he is taking 16 shots a game and hitting just over 50%. Also ZBO has almost totally stopped shooting threes, this year .5 3 pt attempts a game.
It is as if you don’t remember ZBO throwing up airballs from beyond the 3 point line last year. What about his game winning attempt towards the end of teh season that landed in the free throw paint? ZBO was most def a CHUCKER with the Clippers.
"Basketball is life"
Also...
If you look at his stats, he is doing the things he has to do for his team and to win ball games. He is averaging 4.6 OFFENSIVE REBOUNDS per game! His rebounds are also up from 9.4 to 11.6. The guy is playing winning basketball on a winning team.
"Basketball is life"
I assure you
I am not terribly interested in responding to what you say. In fact, I find it rather pointless to keep engaging you.
The reason I did so here, was because you were posting a comment on my fanshot.
by Michael White on Jan 27, 2010 2:34 PM PST up reply actions
Eh...
I still think Z-Bo’s weaknesses were glaring on the Clippers and are muffled on the Grizzlies. They play some of the best offense and some of the worst defense in the league. Sounds EXACTLY like Z-Bo’s fit. We, on the other hand, rely on our defense and play some of the worst offense in the league.
Doesn’t take a rocket scientist to guess which system Z-Bo would flourish under.
If ZBO continues to shine and the Grizz get to the Playoffs he may be an MVP Sleeper.
Everything starts out New, Gets Old and Dies or is Destroyed.
Look at Memphis
Without question Memphis has more offensive weapons than the Clips. Gay is better offensively than anyone the Clips play at the #3. I would give Randolph a very small edge over Kaman at the #4. Gasol over Camby. Davis, a slight advantage offensively over Conley. Mayo and Gordon are just about even, even though Gordon typically outplays Mayo when they go head to head. My guess is that Gordon’s numbers would go up in a faster paced offense.
They’ve got a nice, up and coming club and lots of very good, relatively inexperienced players. Without knowing what BG will do for the Clips next year, you have to say that Memphis is a superior team at this point. Whether they can keep their nucleus together and the chemistry is the big question.
How is this when Kaman ia a 5 ZBO a 4?
Everything starts out New, Gets Old and Dies or is Destroyed.
Lets face it
Zbo is very good at a couple things,,,,,, playing in the post and rebounds,,,, but i much rather have the potential of Blake than Zbo starting for us now.
I'd rather have Kaman and Camby than Zbo
Far too big of a contract, thrives in the ISO offense that I detest, and a horrible (read “horrible”) defender.
Sorry Michael.
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
Not really
We would then be missing either Camby or Kaman. It was a simple number game, we had BG, ZBo, Kaman and Camby (not to mention DJ) making a combined 39 million (40 including DJ). We can argue over which one needed to go (I thought Camby would be the easiest one to move) all day but keeping all 3 of the veteran bigs wasn’t a financially viable option.
FA in 2010.
by ClipperChuck on Jan 27, 2010 10:50 PM PST up reply actions
Ya, Blake really played a lot this season.
Everything starts out New, Gets Old and Dies or is Destroyed.
By the way
KA isn’t apologizing for what he wrote last year. He still believes it. He’s basically saying that Zbo got into shape this summer. Would he have done that while on the Clips?
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
Of course
Is there some reason to believe he wouldn’t?
Besides, the reports were already came in (before he was traded) that he was working to drop the weight.
by Michael White on Jan 27, 2010 6:14 PM PST up reply actions
I think the trade helped ZBo
it definitely couldn’t have hurt him. He got out of a minutes logjam, got a fresh start and he obviously wants to prove the doubters wrong. Good for ZBo for working his butt off this off-season.
FA in 2010.
by ClipperChuck on Jan 27, 2010 11:25 PM PST up reply actions
There are other issues with ZBo
People around the team, for example, told me personally that he’s an (*& who didn’t talk to anyone there. Can he score and rebound? Yes. Are there countervailing factors? Yes.
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
Why are you so hung up on this guy?
The Clips ditched a very large contract to give more mins to their other bigs. He’s got alot of baggage. Would they be winning with him here? No. Their main problem is poor coaching and poor management, not players.
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
Because I like his game
I think he’s a good player and I liked having him on the Clips.
I don’t ask you why you are hung up on Mike D’antoni or Corey Maggette.
by Michael White on Jan 28, 2010 10:20 AM PST up reply actions
There's a difference I think
I wasn’t hung up on Corey Maggette. I was pissed that MDSr started Q Ross over him (is he still in the league?) when the team had no scorers in the starting lineup other than EB. I wanted to go to the playoffs and we would have gone had they just started him earlier. Corey is not my favorite player and I wouldn’t have signed him to that big contract he got from the Warriors. Although he’s playing well up there now.
As for D’Antoni, I’m not hung up on him either. He’s just an example of what I would call a competent coach.
I appreciate the fact that you like his game. What I don’t get is why you continue to fault the Clippers for trading him and his expensive contract given the number of bigs they had who needed (or so we thought) minutes.
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
Because I think he’s better than the other bigs on the team. I thought he was the best player on the team last year, and if you believe the all-star team, would be the best player on the team this year too. I wanted to go to the playoffs, so I didn’t want to trade away the best scorer on the team. It does annoy me that the team he went to is firmly in the playoff race, while the team that unloaded him, is slipping well out. It’s not like Memphis is a much better team otherwise. Gordon and Mayo are a wash, Kaman is better now than Gasol, Gay is much better than Butler and BD is better than Conley. You can explain the coaching differences but the bench also favors the Clips. It seems strange to me for the team to choose the best player to be traded (yes I get he was being paid the most.) We don’t need to rehash these arguments again of Camby versus Randolph, but I have my opinion, and that’s why I think the Clippers made the wrong decision in unloading Z-bo. That being said, I do think Chuck made an excellent point above that Randolph is in a much better spot where he is the unquestioned starter at PF for the Grizz.
And I’m not hung up on it either. If you don’t appreciate what I write or my fanshots, you could have just ignored it. This wasn’t a threadjack, it was clearly titled noting that it involved Zach Randolph. Surely, you and I have had this debate plenty in the past. I thought the article was interesting, so I linked it, if my being “hung up” on him annoys you, I don’t really know what to say.
by Michael White on Jan 28, 2010 11:46 AM PST up reply actions
Sorry, it doesn't annoy me, I'm just wondering it
And you do raise some good points above. Thanks.
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
Not really
Gasol is still a much better player overall (his PER has always been higher, this is the only year they are the same and Gasol is a much better defender) and his trade value at the time was probably much higher. ZBo had been traded a couple of times already for pretty much cap space while the league in general was shocked the Lakers got Pau so cheaply.
FA in 2010.
by ClipperChuck on Jan 27, 2010 10:45 PM PST up reply actions
Lame apology
KA is trying to come clean after all the biased things he wrote last year, even when the Clippers were clearly much better with Zach on the floor. He had time to regret last year when ZBo showed us that he was a baller. He tries to not look stupid now, only because Memphis is winning and ZBo should be an All Star, not because he believes it. Lame.
Don't even bother with KA anymore he puts hardly any emotion in posts
His stuff comes off like a drone
KA is just another LA based undercover Fakers Lover.
If the Fakers asked him to switch sides a HeartBeat would be to slow for him.
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