New Jersey 103 - Clippers 87 - Pummeled, Embarrassed, Humiliated
I was in class tonight as this game was going on. I snuck a peak at my iPod Touch during a break and saw that the Clippers were behind big in the first half. Then I lost my signal at halftime, with the Clippers down ten.
When I got back home, I fired up the DVR to watch the second half. All I knew of the first half was that the Clippers were trailing the Nets, and that the Nets were the worst team in the NBA AND they were playing without their starting backcourt. I was hopeful that they'd come out re-energized in the second half, that they'd assert their authority over the game, and that I could treat the first half I hadn't watched as an anomaly and blissfully ignore it.
That plan got off to a terrific start. The Clippers opened the second half by outscoring the Nets 12-2 to tie the game at 53. Now that the game was once again even, it was obvious what would happen. The 20 win team had all the momentum. The 3 win team had built a lead and squandered it. Things were once again set right. The Nets would continue their quest for the worst record in NBA history.
Only it didn't work out that way.
Even when the Clippers failed to actually take the lead, and New Jersey held on through three quarters, I assumed the Clippers would still win. Let's face it - you don't compile a 3-40 record by holding onto to 3 point leads with 10 minutes left. But as Citizen Zhiv might say, something was very, very funky in the fourth quarter.
Did I miss something in the first half? Milph told me about Marcus Camby's ribs, but where was Al Thornton? Why did he play only 7 minutes in the game and zero minutes in the fourth quarter? It would be one thing if everything was going great in the second half, but they weren't.
And I have to say that MDsr's decision to play Baron Davis only 2 minutes in the fourth quarter was one of the stranger coaching moves I've ever seen. Was Baron playing well? No. But he's the ostensible leader of this team, so don't you have to try to comeback with him on the floor? And if you don't, haven't you created a locker room problem?
(As an aside, I'm struck by the similarities between this situation and the Doug Christie game in New York 3 years ago. MDsr has a new player with whom he is apparently infatuated - then it was Christie, tonight it was Bobby Brown - and he totally abandons his rotation in the second half of a game that isn't going well. It would be one thing if the unit on the floor was making major inroads in cutting into the lead. Only, that wasn't the case. They hole was deep, and getting deeper. So yes, by all means, leave the new guy out there at the point. Three years ago Corey Maggette vented to the media after playing 17 minutes to Christie's 22. What will Baron say after playing 2 fourth quarter minutes while Bobby Brown played 12?)
So let's see - Camby was out with bruised ribs. Thornton was just sitting on the bench. Eric Gordon was terrible in his comeback game (from time to time he throws passes that I would yell at the 40 somethings at the church gym for throwing). Baron Davis was bad when he was in, and sat all be 2 minutes of the fourth. Rasual Butler was not good. So, yes, this is how you lose to a 3 win team. You don't show up to play. How do you know when you're team didn't show up? When the opponent is running a dunk line in the fourth quarter, it's a pretty strong indication.
For the Nets, Kris Humphries had his second career high in 10 days, both coming against the Clippers. The Clippers somehow have turned a 6 year journeyman averaging four points per game on his career into a guaranteed 20+ scorer. Along with Brook Lopez the Nets front line pounded the Clippers inside. In fact, one wonders if the Nets have discovered something here. They were much better with Humphries and rookie Terrance Williams in the game. In fact, the second half turned when they entered.
In every season, for every team, their are a certain number of bad, bad losses. It doesn't get much worse than this one. Coming as it did, three games into an eight game trip, one worries about the attitude of the team on the rest of the trip. That's without even mentioning the injury to Camby, or that fact that Gordon looked far from 100%.
We'll find out soon enough. The Clippers have an opportunity to lose back to back games against the two worst teams in the league when they play the Wolves on Friday.
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Actually, I have to say something, lol
Baron actually pointed to Bobby Brown and waved him to go in the game for him. It was kind of odd. Like he didn’t motion to MDsr, he just pointed in the direction of Bobby Brown and that was that.
"Basketball is life"
Btw, I had to watch the YES network (Nets) w/ NBALP
I dont know if the Clipper’s broadcast showed this between Baron and Bobby Brown.
"Basketball is life"
Yeah was going to mention that
Looked like he was like f**k this game, I don’t care. Here Bobby, knock your socks off. It was the kind of attitude we came to expect from BD last season…..These last 4 games haven’t looked particularly good. Not sure what is going on with this team.
by dulciusEXasperis on Jan 28, 2010 8:06 AM PST up reply actions
There's just no way to go through a season without hearing this, huh?
Didn’t he get hurt in the season opener or something?
Don't know what this means, but I will post it anyways
I was looking at situational stats for our players. I was looking at how some of our player peform on 2 days rest.
Baron Davis 12.3 points and 8 assists a game, 32% shooting, 19% 3 pt shooting
Eric Gordon 18.7 points and 3 assists a game, 50% shooting, 41% 3 pt shooting
Chris Kaman 17.3 points per game and 8 rebounds a game, 45% shooting
Rasual Butler 10.9 points per game, 41% shooting, 25% 3 pt shooting
All of are “scorers” with the exception of EJ are below their normal statistics in games with 2 days rest. Why would this be? EJ’s sample size is 3 games, the rest are 7. So that does have something to do with it, but overall, I dont know why everyone’s stats would be down.
"Basketball is life"
Could be wrong...
but wasn’t last night’s game the classic, 1 day of rest. With a game on Monday, “rest” on Tuesday, and a game on Wednesday.
On another message board...
Nets fans said that the team played their best game of the season. They also mentioned that Lee being out really helped the team. I can agree with some of that, but we just didn’t play with any heart. There’s really no excuse. Our guys gave up and lost to a team that wins once every ten games. We’re all embarrassed. We have to hold our heads up high whenever we are near people that know that we are Clipper fans. You can’t justify getting beat by them. I just hope that players on the team and the coaching staff are carrying some embarrassment themselves. If this doesn’t light a fire under them or get them motivated, I don’t know what will.
This should be a time of inner reflection. You have to ask yourself as a player, what in the hell am I doing on the court if I get outplayed by potentially the worst team ever?
I’ve been a Clipper fan for many years, and have lived through some miserable seasons and countless “jokes” (they weren’t funny to me), but this game right here absolutely disgusts me. I wouldn’t blame people if they saw these in the club or on the street and started pointing and laughing at them. This is just sad. :(
The only possible silver lining I can see
is if teammates get together, like the Grizzlies did earlier this season, and resolve to correct the ship.
This might happen, or players could just check out. It feels like a moment of truth.
Dunleavy sounded pissed in his post game conference, something about “this is a man’s game.” Did anyone else catch it? I was too pissed myself to really listen.
Whatever he said, I don’t think it really matters. It’s the players who need to decide what the rest of the season will look like.
This might happen, or players could just check out. It feels like a moment of truth.
Well put. I feel like this is the moment of truth too.
by Michael White on Jan 28, 2010 10:21 AM PST up reply actions
I doubt it
I realize this is one of the worst losses of the season, but we’ve been here before. I think it’s time we all accept that there’s not going to be some huge turnaround for this team. After every bad loss we all get upset and hope the team “looks in the mirror”, “does some soul searching” or whatever other sports cliche, but it never happens.
The reality is, this team can beat the best on any given night, and lose to the worst the next. It’s the hallmark of a talented lottery team. Just like talented bench players, the key is lack of consistency. The guys who are studs in this league bring it every night. Same goes for elite teams. With the Clips, you have no idea which team will show up until after tip-off.
That’s why we beat the Lakers by 11, then get blown out by 40 (yea, no Kaman, but 40? That’s inexcusable), then go down to the wire against the Cavs.
It’s time we realize that that’s just who this team is. And that’s why I think this ends up being like a 35-38 win team at season’s end. A few good wins, several bad losses, consistently inconsistent.
The only reason I feel differently this time
Is I want to see how Camby and Baron respond to their injuries. If these guys start resting, its pretty much over.
I agree with you otherwise though. I’m not usually one of the “sky is falling” crowd, but the injury concerns to two starters gives me pause this time.
by Michael White on Jan 28, 2010 10:32 AM PST up reply actions
That's just the make-up of the team
Look at our players, pretty much none of them rise above adversity. Camby sits at every injury, Kaman isn’t a leader, EJ is too timid and quiet, Baron is too emotional and Dun lost the players a long time ago.
That’s why Baron needed a guy like Brand, who was consistently good every single night (as a Clipper). Brand needed a guy like Baron, who could be the emotional leader that he isn’t. The combo would have worked well, but as it stands now, we just don’t have enough leadership or consistency to be a good team.
Sammy and Brand worked for similar reasons, only Sammy wasn’t quite good enough to carry a team by himself (which is why the 06-07 season was such a disappointment).
Well said
When you break it down, there are a lot of moving parts for the Clippers, with none of them ultra-consistent. It doesn’t help that the culture isn’t a winning one. EJ hasn’t proven very effective coming off an injury this year, it might be him trying to come back to soon since the team has been kind of in the playoff picture.
This game confirms a number of things about this team
Yes, there were injuries, but so what. They are playing a sorry team without their best player.
The problem here as madglove says is that the team assembled is not a winning team. They have the talent to be, but they are not. And it’s likely they never will be. At least with the current coaching regime.
Is that really surprising to anyone here?
So – what should be done about it?
Get into the Zhiv forever optimism mode about whether the Novaks of the world will make a difference and “quality losses?” As I’ve said for longer than I can remember, we can assemble all the talent we want, but if we do not have a good coach who motivates the players, and a competent front office, we will not win. Period.
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
Yeah, inconsistency
Good point. The players won’t be able to resolve THAT away.
But a loss like this can, and should, lead to some soul searching. Players might come out with some extra drive over the next few days. I wouldn’t be entirely surprised if the Clips bounce off of this one and somehow end up beating the Cavs. Talk about Jekyll and Hyde…
All of this just serves your point. I don’t think “looking in the mirror” will turn us into a playoff team, but it could gain us a couple of wins in the short term. On the other hand, a loss like this could drive the team to despair, don’t you think? Like when we had Andre, when things aren’t working out, sometimes players just check out.
THIS TEAM NEEDS START PLAYING LIKE MEN
baron was taken out because his knee was acting up. this was divuldged in the post game interview with dunleavy. i would rather play bobby brown than mardy collins any day of the week. collins cannot score. he plays slow and except for the celtic game last year, he has pretty much been a big zero for this team. kaman is an all star like im an all start. he interior defense was pathetic and im being kind. he didnt recognize double teams. he mad some good awful passes. eric gordon played sloppy and needs to tighten up his game. his passing has been atrocious. ive wrote this before and it continues to be true, these guys dont have a passion for winning. they dont deserve their paychecks. they are embarassing and they keep getting outplayed. at the beginning of every game you can tell what they are going lose. sloppy, error prone play drizzled with sorry “behind” play.
as said by some others...
Baron was icing one knee, wrapping/putting heat on the other. So you can’t blame dunleavy for that one. That said, not sure why thornton didn’t play at all. NJ doesn’t really play defense so his slashing may have been welcomed last night. Dunno if he’s hurt or in the doghouse. Who are we kidding, he woulda gone in and committed 2 fouls his first two minutes anyway.
I am a realist, I’ve seen a lot from this franchise and I know all the pathetic crap they are capable of, but I DO expect them to win games like last night. All through the game I kept saying “they’ll turn it on here, still gonna win”. Also it’s one thing to lose, it’s another to have that sad sack team run a dunk drill like it’s warm-ups, posterize everyone, while their bench is whooping it up and all 9k fans are going wild. THAT’S what was disturbing…just a lack of pride involved.
I put this game right up there with losing to the 0-17 heat in their first season and giving up 71 to david robinson on the final day of the season several years back as far as all-time embarrassing clippers moments. Silly me, I thought we were past this type of sh#t.
by Joe Wolf's Mullet on Jan 28, 2010 7:23 AM PST via mobile reply actions
We don't know what AT would of done
No excuse to play him only 7 minutes when no one was having a good game. Could of at least thrown him on Humphries to try and slow him down. God knows Smith wasn’t doing it. Nothing good about this team for the last week. Someone needs to light a fire under their a**. No excuse to being playing this week s**t we’ve seen the last two weeks.
by dulciusEXasperis on Jan 28, 2010 8:10 AM PST up reply actions
Clips laid an Egg, Camby faked an injury so he's not responsible for this Disgusting loss and CMDsr. is in Love with BrickSool Butler.
AT has been playing very well but not getting minutes while Sool (MDsr. pet) is getting close 40+ every night. The rotations were Horrible and this loss looked like some kind of Mob Fixed Boxing Match.
Everything starts out New, Gets Old and Dies or is Destroyed.
Time to make a move...
This team is stuck in mediocrity, and will remain there until some changes are made.
DO SOMETHING COACH/GM!!!!!!!!!!
"look, you can find any coach you want, bring him in here and run the situation. But I don't think they are going to do as good a job as I do." -Mike Dunleavy Sr.
by CLiPPz WeRD 12 on Jan 28, 2010 11:28 AM PST reply actions
Do something GM and Fire the Coach, Do something owner and fire the GM.
Everything starts out New, Gets Old and Dies or is Destroyed.

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